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- grafician2
JUST IN: Pfizer says its coronavirus vaccine is effective against the South Africa variant
- pr2-15
Pfizer data reveals 98.4% efficacy if you do NOT vaccinate your children with their vaccine.
- you know what, make a doc about it, that pushes the format of film.tank02
- do you prefer the Pfizer's spin on the data?pr2
- that isn’t actually one of the conclusions. you probably decided to do your shitbag math and divided the 18 cases by the placebo group number like a moronmonospaced
- that isn’t what efficacy is and certainly isn’t how it works in coming to meaningful conclusions. Clown ass math again.monospaced
- please share your conclusions so we can collectively laugh at your "wisdom."pr2
- This is showing how effect the vaccine is, regardless of if you showed symptoms before or not.robotinc
- It is not recommending to not vaccinate kids.robotinc
- Unless I am blind (which is possible, please point to where they mention that no vaccine is 98.4% as effective as doing nothing)robotinc
- the point is that its Pfizer's PR stunt: take the vaccinate = your kid is 100% safe. Great! Lets use the exact same data and point to another equally...pr2
- ...true statement: don't take the vaccine = your kid is 98.4% safe.pr2
- and no, do not vaccinate your kids with this! this vaccine is not FDA approved and only got emergency approval which requires WAY less stringent tests.pr2
- REGULAR vaccines are FDA approved. This one is not.pr2
- Where did you get 98.4% safe without a vaccine? And what does safe mean anyway? THEY didn’t say that word. It’s not what this is about.monospaced
- Thanks dr2GuyFawkes
- Efficacy is about containing the virus and the spread. Children are definitely contracting and spreading it, but have ALWAYS generally been safe themselves.monospaced
- Your logic is that they are already low risk so no need for vaccine?! That ignores their ability to be a transmission vector. Dude. Wake up.monospaced
- come on man, our constant fights aside. do your own math. of course THEY don't say that not vaccinating is almost as safe as vaccinating. but are u surprised?pr2
- Where did you get your fake ass percentage? Not from this study. You pulled it out of your anti mask fucktard ass. That’s where.monospaced
- You’re batshit crazy if you think your cook ass is “educating” anyone. You’re a joke, just like anyone who still thinks this is not a serious pandemic. A joke.monospaced
- Enjoy the well deserved ridicule you will continue to receive from rational people here. Joke.monospaced
- my man, you don't even understand definitions of something that can be googled in 5 seconds. shame on you bro.pr2
- the number of papers that spells out how kids experience it WAY milder than adults, and generally are WAY lesser spreaders than adults is astronomical.pr2
- it takes considerable effort NOT to read those papers.pr2
- it's like you have a bucket filled with hardened concrete that you choose to wear each time information that goes against your believes enter your vision.pr2
- we are learning how this mRNA vaccine works on LIVE population and that is wrong, i'll say it again. want to be a part of an experiment go for it!renderedred
- there is a good reason it takes 5-10 years to approve a vaccine for general use.renderedred
- pfizer is the FIRST EVER mRNA vaccine to be approved after how long in development? 3? 6 months?renderedred
- and now mono is going to say: 20 years of research in monkeys and rats :)renderedred
- You have no reason to believe there’s an issue with the vaccine. No other vaccine has long term health effects. Why would you think this one does?monospaced
- And yes. There had been decades of research into mRNA functions, for vaccines and other treatments. To act like it’s only months old is stupid af.monospaced
- Once again you clowns, enjoy being conspiratorial morons, and enjoy the well deserved ridicule from those of us who actually understand and care.monospaced
- 20 years or research and only one vaccine developed using this technology? Those fat cats at Pfizer and Moderna really don't want to get rich.pr2
- @mono every other vaccine with low probability of long term effects has been tested on humans for years. i repeat for years!renderedred
- in a controlled environment and under no political/business pressure.renderedred
- and now, suddenly it takes 6 months? so one of the two is wrong. testing it for 10 years clinically or straight into the population. which one?renderedred
- *i guess with this new mRNA messenger technology, it's obsolete to test clinically. we have the population for that ;)renderedred
- by that logic you *could* inject bleach, why not?renderedred
- **it's a known and well researched FACT that bleach kills viruses :)renderedred
- Moronic arguments. Wow.monospaced
- The o lu reason these didn’t happen earlier was there was no reason. Fucking morons the both of you.monospaced
- And your bleach comment is so stupid, you almost sound as brain dead as pr2 here. I’m guessing you’re also a videographer by day and science denier by night.monospaced
- Also, way to ignore reality. The hunt for the vaccine started a solid 15 months ago. mRNA has been studied for 30 years. It wasn’t invented 6 months ago.monospaced
- Every single one of your retorts relies entirely on your fabricated fake as fuck version of reality, with a huge dose of willing ignorance. Assholesmonospaced
- chill out pharma bro, your stonks are doing finerenderedred
- Nairn4
"Almost third of UK Covid hospital patients readmitted within four months"
https://www.theguardian.com/worl…"Long Covid: snapshot poll finds more than 1m people with symptoms in UK"
https://www.theguardian.com/soci…- For pr2: https://www.bmj.com/…
;)Nairn - theres no convincing that dudeGuyFawkes
- He only responds to my comments.monospaced
- we be like
"hey Mono, tell dumbass this ___"GuyFawkes - It's hilarious because we'll post actual papers and he'll just disappear. Currently waiting to hear his response from this morning.garbage
- You have to call him an anti science, overly emotional pseudo researcher who is desperate to fuel his narrative that the scientists are wrong.monospaced
- in US, covid hospitalizations make up 6% of TESTED covid cases. (probably 1-2% of ACTUAL cases). the 1/3 of those who return is what? 0.3-.75 of cases.pr2
- not as scary as the article makes it out to be, is it?pr2
- and the science paper has lots of interesting data.pr2
- including, how crucial comorbidity is in finding out who will live or who will be greatly affected by the virus.pr2
- bwahahahaha. See?monospaced
- mono is sad that he can't read tables.pr2
- @pr2 um, can you? You seem to just throw up random number and think you've made a point.garbage
- garbage, what is it that you want to debate?pr2
- You random number, ffs.monospaced
- @pr2 Maybe go to the thread you've been avoiding and respond? idk.garbage
- garbage, that's yet another simple trick to avoid debate: go through some thread. How about YOU read the paper linked to at the very top?pr2
- Still going myself with long covid...necromation
- @pr2 I'm beginning to think you don't even know how the feed function works you absolute pillock. Maybe quarantine your ignorance to where I responded to you..garbage
- ..days ago. That was kind of the plan, that way it's easier for you to embarrass yourself in one place instead of everywhere.garbage
- Unless you have no rebuttal for the studies I posted (you don't) and you're just ignoring it and being a shithead for shithead's sake.garbage
- the rebuttal, you neanderthal, is in the numbers i posted above.pr2
- Yeah, you're not understanding what you're reading, and I posted a rebuttal days ago. I'm not interested in holding your hand or convincing you at this point.garbage
- You're an object lesson in "You can lead a fool to reason, but you can't make him think".garbage
- For pr2: https://www.bmj.com/…
- renderedred-6
"emergency use authorization"
- I bet you feel so smart.monospaced
- Well this wouldn't exist without the fuckin covid-19 so ofc it's Emergency use only as we're in an emergency situationgrafician
- anyway, too bad it doesn't mention anything about the 5G capabilities, kinda disappointinggrafician
- @graf there's an ever so slight difference between "emergency use" and "approved". yeah 5g :)renderedred
- it's this one sided good v bad thinking that's stopping any dialog. how about we expand the thinking into:pr2
- "though possibly dangerous, the benefits might outweigh the risks" (especially in older population)pr2
- what dangers? what risks?monospaced
- just having a dialogmonospaced
- EVERY medicine goes thru long-term risk testing. this one didn't.pr2
- as was joked somewhere else, bleach kills viruses too and yet we dob't need testing to know that it's probably best not to consume it.pr2
- this is common sense.
your common sense tells you that something that was never used before is safe. MY common sense tells me otherwise.pr2 - ^thisrenderedred
- @pr2 that's what i've been saying all along, people just refuse to think about in those terms.renderedred
- i never said a vaccine will kill you or don't wear a mask, i wear one outside all the time from the get-go. i don't think corona is a hoax...renderedred
- So not a single thing you can say might be the risk? You asked for dialog but refuse to even say. Weird.monospaced
- same as you can't be 100% that it is 100% safe.renderedred
- and again, after 10 years of testing under strict conditions still there are side effects, sure, 1 in a million gets such and such reaction.renderedred
- but then you KNOW that as a risk. at the moment you know 0.renderedred
- and in ten years when pfizer gets approval for good, they'll tell you what they found out and what are the dangers,renderedred
- after testing it on YOU my man.renderedred
- I didn't say it's 100% safe, did I? I said there's no reason not to think it is, except if you have an active imagination and irrational fear.monospaced
- You KEEP talking about 10 years and side effects. What side effect? What reaction or dangers worry you? And why? If you can't be specific, you aren't rationalmonospaced
- Right now we know that no known vaccine has long term effects. We have no reason to believe this one will. We have no experts that are worried.monospaced
- I'm not saying it's guaranteed safe, I'm saying that there's simply no reason to believe it isn't. No mechanism is even hypothesized that might cause issue.monospaced
- pro-vaxers might want to read up on ups and downs of mRNA development. it reads like a really good suspense novel.pr2
- to say there is no POSSIBLE serous long-term risks is just naive.pr2
- drgs6
Every year 500 000 people get the flu in Norway (regular flu).
It has been 13 so far this year.- some on this board will say that you are anti-science by looking at data and drawing logical conclusions.pr2
- because of hand washing and mask wearing and social distancing. The flu is 3000x less contagious than covid 19_niko
- they also have 700 covid deaths compared to Sweden's 13,000 deaths. Norway had 98k total cases, Sweden 900K total cases. tell me about logical conclusions_niko
- "3000x less contagious" this is a logical fallacy that one would think nobody would commit... alas...pr2
- Sweden's death rate is EXACTLY that of countries with very strickt lock-down.pr2
- except for their direct apples to apples neighbours Finland and Norway._niko
- which very strict lockdown countries? New Zealand? Vietnam? Thailand? how about Laos? they have 7 milllion people but only 49!!!! cases so far. that's less than_niko
- Antarctica got. Lol_niko
- or are you talking about the strict lockdowns in freedom-loving countries like the good ol US of A? or Brasil? ffs._niko
- clarity of argumentation doesn't seem to be your strong suite. i have no idea anymore what it is that you are proponent of.pr2
- lolmonospaced
- Sarcasm isn’t your strong suit :)
I countered your assertion that Sweden fared just as poorly with their strategy as countries with very strict lockdowns_niko - With examples of countries with ACTUAL lockdowns and a strategy in place with Super low cases and low deaths compared to Sweden and not countries like the US_niko
- With bullshit lockdown measures ie a bunch of plandemic hoax yahoos who gather and go about their business like everything’s normall- so no real lockdown._niko
- Every single model out there shows how cases drop dramatically when actual lockdowns are in place and how they spike when they are relaxed_niko
- And even Sweden, though no official lockdown people were still taking it upon themselves to do the right thing so no going to soccer matches for instance_niko
- Thus my initial argument as to why Norway has 13 flu case and not 500,000 should be clear as mud now ;)_niko
- what do you think happens 4 month from now? when countries that had it hard (like US for Sweden for instance) and vast majority had covid already?pr2
- those countries open up and people start living while those "ACTUAL lockdown" countries where noone has any immunity look on from behind barber wire.pr2
- barbed wirepr2
- besides it's pretty naive that Norway had such a strict lockdown that it eradicated flu.pr2
- naive to thinkpr2
- immunity isn't forever, you can re-catch it, especially new variants and that's where vaccines come in. Sweden and the US will have unecessarily sacrificed the_niko
- lives of thousands of people for some bullshit herd immunity that never came. Look at New Zealand, strict lockdown, no cases, no immunity either but they got_niko
- vaccines, were able to open up again and didn't do it at the high cost of human life._niko
- at the end of the day, i have my family and my kids to look after, my wife caught it but the rest of us didn't, that doesn't mean we're going to be dickheads_niko
- go around maskless thinking we're immune and potentially infect others. We're also not going to a full ballpark to watch millionaires throw a ball around_niko
- or dine in crowded overpriced restaurants any time soon if that's what freedom of not being in a lockdown means._niko
- dig a hole in the ground and go live there. on the way pat yourself on the should for you will be safe AND not infect others.pr2
- but don't impose your anti-science (do you know what is liklyhood of re-infection? go look it up!) onto others to pander to your fears.pr2
- lolmonospaced
- ********1
More than half of the players on the Vancouver Canucks have tested positive for COVID-19, a source confirmed to ESPN. Two more names were added to the team's COVID-19 protocol list on Sunday, bringing the total up to 16.
A source told ESPN that at least three Canucks coaches have tested positive for the virus as well. In addition, many family members of players have tested positive and are experiencing symptoms, according to sources.
"Fatigue, dehydration, the symptoms are intense," one agent of a Canucks player told ESPN. "It's knocked a lot of guys out. Some can't even get out of bed."
A source confirmed to ESPN on Saturday night that the more infectious P.1 variant of COVID-19, which was first found in Brazil, has been found among several of the cases affecting the Canucks, the first known cases of the new variant among NHL teams this year.
- ********4
I don't want the pandemic to end. The human race is a virus that can only be contained through the guise of epidemics.
Please ruling class, create a sequel soon. I don't want these people to return. Have them continue wearing masks to cover their ugly pig faces.
Dolphins swam up the Hudson for the first time since New York became an industrial wasteland.
Can't you see? Can't you see what we've done?!?
I am writing this facetiously but maybe it's closer to the truth.
- soon.gifutopian
- LolNBQ00
- Yeah.. feel the same... really don't want to go back to commuting and office life..shapesalad
- renderedred0
got tested for corona yesterday, didn't have it and don't have it.
was a bit under the weather for a few days so i thought...anyway, did a little chat with a doctor about vaccines, safety, approval and all that. he was of the same opinion as mine, nobody knows what mRNA vaccines can or could cause in 5 to 10 years in terms of side effects, it's a first and testing of long-term effects is done on the population basically. secondly he told me if i wear a mask and don't go out much it's fine not to get a vaccine. and lastly, he also thinks there should be a choice of vaccines and not only one forced onto everybody... and he's american.
- *i am speaking of israel where still there is only the pfizer vaccine, no sputnik :)renderedred
- we joked about if you get a sputnik vaccine, a tattoo of putin appears on your chest...renderedred
- Yeah, they have studied mRNA vaccine tech for over a decade already, right?********
- I mean, what are your options here... wait 5 to 10 years to get the COVID-19 vaccine?********
- nb, they DO NOT KNOW long-term consequences. Period. There is no way around this simple statement.pr2
- Yes of course. So what are you saying, you gonna wait 5 to 10 years to get the vaccine?********
- Or get the J&J vaccine?********
- as the doc said options here in israel should e available by end of 21. i am getting sputnik.renderedred
- and in the meantime, wearing a mask and not mixing with ppl too much, that's all.renderedred
- I'm with you on the mRNA concern. I believe, from what I've read, it's 'probably' much safer than traditional vaccines, but fact is, we don't actually *know*Nairn
- I say 'read' - much of what I've learnt about C19 comes from nighttime podcasts - Nature do a good weekly 'coronapod'-castNairn
- (They split it off because people, myself included, got fed up with having their usual podcast swamped by C19 content. Shit got boring, real quick).Nairn
- @nairn i am the same as you, i am not a scientist or a doctor, did tons of research, but my logic and gut feeling say something is off with it. that's all.renderedred
- Oh, I've had a knot in my stomach all-throughout, with dark paranoias wondering at all the possible negativities at play here. I joke about Agenda 21, but... .Nairn
- Frankly, since getting the vaccine I have been enjoying being able to write emails directly with my thoughts via Windows 10. Thanks Bill 5Gates!********
- Weird you talk about 5-10 year effects. What makes you believe they could be there at all? Weird.monospaced
- btw, i think mRNA idea is genius for a vaccine. but, it must be properly tested over time, and not on people that didn't sign up for that.renderedred
- Gut feelings don’t count. And I can’t follow your logic of “we don’t know so it probably is bad, but not for many years.”monospaced
- My gut feeling is that they are safe all around. Logic backs that up. So I guess on that logic my argument is as valid as yours, but probably more.monospaced
- yo mono you love twisting everything don't you?renderedred
- nobody said the vaccine will kill, all we are saying is we don't know and not to test it on the unwitting population.renderedred
- believe it or not YOU are the part of testing for long-term effects. i'm sure that is fine with you.renderedred
- I never said it would kill. Derp. I’m not twisting ANYTHING. You said you’re afraid of risks in 5-10 years. I’m asking you to be specific.monospaced
- If you’re thinking you shouldn’t take it because it might cause problems in a few years, please explain what problems and why you think that.monospaced
- Of course I’m fine with texting the vaccine. I am because there is no evidence that it may cause issues. There are also no experts that say to worry.monospaced
- There are also no vaccines that cause health issues after many years. Not even in long term testing. So logic doesn’t really point to concluding it may be unsafmonospaced
- afair, he's already taken the vaccine, no, renderererered?Nairn
- i didn't, mono did maybe idk...renderedred
- what we do know is that mono owns stocks in big pharma ;)renderedred
- I got the vaccine today (the day this post was written), as a matter of fact.monospaced
- Nairn1
"Sweden's death rate is EXACTLY that of countries with very strickt lock-down." — pr2
( https://ig.ft.com/coronavirus-ch… )
Are you one of these people - much like an old friend and business partner - who simply Make Shit Up hoping that no would realise or bother checking?
- yeah he either has no idea what he's talking about or just trolling_niko
- he isn’t trolling thoughmonospaced
- Check Taiwan's death rate.instrmntl
- I considered adding Taiwan, but there's a limit of 6 entries in this format so didn't justify a non-cultural equivalent and besides which 0's a boring # :)Nairn
- Naim,
1. pull out a calculator
2. look up the total of cases of Covid for Sweden (815k)
3. look up covid deaths (13.5k)pr2 - 4. calculate the percentage (1.66%)pr2
- (this is the OFFICIAL death rate for Sweden.)
5. do steps 1-4 with any other country and compare (most are around 2%)pr2 - 6. slap yourself on the face for not listening to your math teacher in the 3rd grade.pr2
- 7. slap yourself on the face for not listening to your [insert native language] teacher for misreading most basic of statements.pr2
- nobody is arguing the death rate it could be pretty constant, the more people get infected the more will die. Why not limit it to 10,000 people and have 200 dea_niko
- ...deaths instead of 1million people getting it and having 10,000 deaths? that's the problem That's the math._niko
- sorry 20,000 deaths, bad math here too :)_niko
- niko, because the rest of the world - the other diseases, mental illness, kids developing (or not in the current climate) the most basic of skills don't stop.pr2
- you can't shut down the universe because you "feel" like it.pr2
- How on Earth is the death rate relevant to lockdown measures taken to reduce spread? If the death-rate is 2%, it's 2% - no one's arguiing against that.Nairn
- You're stating that Sweden, having not taken lockdown measures as other countries have, has a similar case rate, not a deathrate % of those cases.Nairn
- You're conflating arguments, so I'm unsure who should've listened to their [insert native language] teacher more.Nairn
- Were you not also saying not more than a week ago that the death rate was <1%? Was that you?Nairn
- Finland, Sauna's.... read up on the health benefits of body temp fluctuation.shapesalad
- i never said "similar case rate" - you are making stuff up.pr2
- Above, i said "OFFICIAL" death rate. all things considered death rate is as low as around 0.6% but then the math might get a bit hard for some to even go therepr2
- we're not shutting down the universe pr2, we're a tiny speck of dust in the vast cosmos, we've been here as brief as a firefly flash in the night and if we want_niko
- to survive as a species, we need to take all measures possible to do so. a 2% death rate isn't much in your eyes but what if the next one is 50% or 100% it's a_niko
- small price to pay to treat this as a dry run for future pandemics that will inevitably come. Human kind depends on us working together for a greater good._niko
- niko, then DO work with me. you are scared shitles, and i'm not at all. we have data to show which attitude is closer to the truth.pr2
- (as stated above, REAL death rate is closer to 0.6%) those numbers do not warrant the sort of response we've witnessed.pr2
- if i'm not mistaken, just like me you have small kids too. what do i tell my 5 year old when he asks he why he need stow ear mask to school?pr2
- do i tell him that DESPITE all science, to placate people's fears he must calm feelings of others?pr2
- Lol yeah you’re so brave. I could care less if I get it and die, It’s about respect and doing selfless things for a common good that’s all, it’s easy no need to_niko
- Freak out and lose your shit over it, it’ll pass just chill a bit. Go outdoors enjoy the sunshine and nature ._niko
- for me, selfless thing is to look at science and data (in the process, do doubt, loosing some "friends" along the way). this is "common good."pr2
- What would I tell my kid? My only thought is that I don't have kid-sized facemasks so that she can join in the fun when we go to the shops.Nairn
- Kids don't give a shit. You do.
Don't politicize them.Nairn - Or do. I don't care what you do to your kids.Nairn
- You can barely put together a coherent sentence, so maybe hop off that that pseudo-intellectual high horse because that looks like a pretty big fall.garbage
- pr2 you’re just misunderstanding the science and acting like your “special” conclusion is correct, despite no other experts coming to the same one.monospaced
- I mean, did you ever wonder why no major conclusion matches yours? If your answer is it’s to scare people, you’re just a moronic conspiracy theorist. Seriously.monospaced
- mono, did you ever wonder why you never bother reading science papers? by now you would read one or two just to prove me wrong and yet still none...pr2
- the amount of major science sources saying the exact same thing as i do is staggering, and yet you still somehow claim those are "my" conclusions...pr2
- No it isn’t. Nothing you’ve shared backs up your conclusions. You simply cherry pick and distort random parts to fit your anti mask narrative.monospaced
- Nairn2
"I said death rate, not number of cases!" - pr2, when he reads the above.
Sure, but death rates are a bit of a murky metric as there are peripheral national and social reasons for that to not reflect the spread and effect of the virus.
Nonetheless:
- ah ok, so you only pay attention to data that supports your beliefs? but this is just "murky"? yeah... you hypocrite.pr2
- Look at the graph. Does Sweden have the same death rate as cousin countires around it with stronger lockdown measures? No.Nairn
- son, don't make simplistic arguments. here you your 10 year average of sweden's deaths: https://www.statista…pr2
- here ispr2
- vast majority of those extra deaths came from old people homes and so indeed if Swedes wanted to keep their overall mortality down, they should...pr2
- ...have made their old people homes more stringent BUT don't tell me that they should have wrecked lives of millions of people to avoid those extra deaths.pr2
- The Swedish health minister admitted he’d probably fucked up. He didn’t double speak it, just said it matter of fact.PhanLo
- They also just let old people die in the hospitals or homesPhanLo
- Your link there shows an increase of 7,267 deaths in 2020 over the yearly average since 2011. What's your point?Nairn
- Also, 2019 was an unusual year, having over two thousand less deaths than the average of the preceding eight years, heightening the trend.Nairn
- *signal, not trend, sorry.Nairn
- Naim, if a 10k increase (in population of over 10 mil) is worthwhile for you to shut down a country, then nothing i ever say will convince you.pr2
- That's not your point that I'm contesting.Nairn
- I'm contesting your inate assumptions (for that's what they appear to be) which underlie your over-all thinking.Nairn
- i'm assuming nothing - just looking at data.pr2
- UK had strict lockdown, and? Germany was really good about it and it didn't feer much better than Sweden. Your point?pr2
- 330/10=33
33x10.000=330.000Beeswax - As per WHO, lockdowns are there only to protect the health system, NOT to stop the spread. And yet somehow it mutated into just that in people's heads.pr2
- Sure, which is why the UK curve in the graph <here started higher because earlier on it had a higher incidence due to poorer lockdown conditions.Nairn
- ..as too Sweden.Nairn
- I'm not actually against you, but on the whole lockdown thing, you flat-out state shit that isn't entirely trufthful.Nairn
- ech't "I'm not actually against you on the whole lockdown thing, but you flat-out.." editard.Nairn
- all of this is about whether to wear a mask or not? fucking lol. just stfu and put one on until this blows over. the countries that did are better off for it.scarabin
- i can't believe people are still getting butthurt about having to pay a little more attention to their hygienescarabin
- beating each other over the head with numbers hahascarabin
- every day my pharmacist gf tells me about another patient or two who died of covid. people immediately around us. just her store. this shit is not pretend y'allscarabin
- This is the bottom line, very small inconvenience for most of us really. And sorry but I feel worse for a dead person than the mental health of some babies_niko
- Waaa I don’t want to wear a mask waaa my freedoms waaa it’s a conspiracy waaa the great reset waaa bill gates waaa vaccines waaaa 5g. Fuck man._niko
- you gentlemen have to get out more more and see the serious mental damage the fear does to the grownups, the youth and the kids.pr2
- "I" seriously feel worse for the VAST numbers of population who's going insane than the tiny, tiny minority who had the bad end of the stick.pr2
- there is a list of 500,000 Americans who have died from covid. this is fact. this is science as you say. where is your list of people that have gone insane?_niko
- Ah Niko c'mon man, it's actually 555K people who have died in the US. Only 100K off the total killed in the US during the Spanish Flu. Which was deadlierPhanLo
- come on Niko, there is research everywhere nowdays. Just google the stats. There was 100% jump in clinical mental cases in just 1 year.pr2
- You haven't seen someone "loosing it" yet? Am i that privileged to have seen a few of those cases already?pr2
- Only a true shitbag would bring up how sad people are as a good reason to let people die. A true lowlife piece of human scum. All to fit an anti mask narrative.monospaced
- I don’t give a fuck about how inconvenienced this has made you Karen. Don’t be a fucking cunt.monospaced
- who was the asshole again? after the conversation turns into acid it's hard to figure outsted
- mono, for being stupid and kinda lame with his insults.pr2
- lol! "the serious mental damage the fear does to the grownups, the youth and the kids."over wearing a fucking mask for a few months? hahahahascarabin
- it's not even a permanent thing. cover your nasty maw when out in public for what, a year? tops?? and it's over. other countries did they're already done w/ itscarabin
- Haven't read the whole thing, the english are fat and stupid with partyday beforeevere announced lockdown, the swedes used an "alternative" and inhumane strat..ArchitectofFate
- Just to add fuel to the fire, Madrid has had no real lockdown since last March and has no higher death rate than Paris or London.Chimp
- ********6
It's interesting to tell people not to take the vaccine because you don't know what will happen in 5 to 10 years or longer. You don't know ANYTHING about 5 to 10 years so how is that affecting your decision?
Basic example: If you get covid, for all you know you could have serious new effects 5 to 10 years down the road. Even death! On the other hand, for all you know the current batch of vaccines could protect us against the next coronavirus that comes along. Maybe it saves your life! There's no evidence the vaccine will harm anyone. But there is some evidence that covid has long term health effects on some people who don't die from it.
But no one knows, after all!
Me? I'd rather take my changes with the vaccine than take my chances with the virus. All the experts agree.
It's almost a no-brainer, I'm surprised there are so many frightened little wimps on this forum.
- For me, it's simply that the mRNA mechanism's quite novel and untested. Also, I have an abiding suspicion that The Powers That Be are planning a cull.Nairn
- Oh, so you're paranoid and possibly delusional. Ok, carry on.********
- Seriously, if you are making decisions about your health based on a suspicion that some secret group is trying to cull the human race... consult a Dr.********
- Amusing. I mean, I'm not being entirely serious, but do you really believe that we don't live in a world where terrible decisions have the capacity to be made?Nairn
- I'll be getting the AZ vaccine, as my partner did. If I was getting an mRNA vaccine, I'd do that too. I don't think it doesn't warrant a conversation, is all.Nairn
- This is The First major roll-out of this tech. My personal suspicion is that it will be much better, but we don't yet know.Nairn
- What concerns me is that we've entered an era in which all ages might be expected to get vaccinated every year, irrespective, and we have new lockdown memetypesNairn
- , culture being shaped by control mechanisms that can be easily abused.Nairn
- Also, mRNA might give everyone leukaemia in a decade. WHO knows.Nairn
- Yeah sorry I thought you were serious!********
- what are we going to do when all of our doctors and first responders die in 10 years from leukaemia?OP31
- Have more of us die.
That's the plan.
Or not.Nairn - This is what I've been saying. If you're worried about something in an arbitrary time period, you're really just imagining itmonospaced
- i have eaten drugs from the streetkingsteven
- like, drugs i found on the street... i didn't eat them on the street, i picked them up first... that would be gross.kingsteven
- lol kingfadein11
- utopian1
'I don't wish this on anybody': 24-year-old receives lung and kidney transplant after testing positive for COVID-19
- tough luck for him, what's more important is that pr2 is able to go maskless wherever he pleases._niko
- niko, time to remove the horse blinders and see the worlds in its entirety. There are hundreds of lung transplants performed per year. Every year.pr2
- not just covid year.pr2
- yeah, but people don't need lung transplants from idiots coughing on them at the supermarket typically._niko
- yeah, if this is why you think he needs a transplant then no wonder you would rather live under a rock.pr2
- holy shit pr2. Covid ravaged his fucking lungs. It was because of covid that he needed a transplant. How are you not understanding this?monospaced
- It’s like if someone dies because they didn’t wear a seatbelt. Would you say “so what? People die from car accidents every day! seatbelts are pointless.”monospaced
- That’s what you sound like. And it’s deplorable. The fact you aren’t trolling is pathetic.monospaced
- yeah, comparing seat belts - an easy to comprehend mechanical device that helps in cause-and-effect accident, to a once-in-a-million case of sickness.pr2
- once again, the award to biggest cretin in the room goes to you mono.pr2
- hardly, and good luck finding anyone who agrees with you on that. If anything, my example is a perfect way to show what a fucking shitbag you aremonospaced
- take a poll on the matter, and the numbers won't lie, you science-denying imbecile.monospaced
- your Wikipedia-style mentality gives power to the sheep such as yourself.pr2
- and yet, like Wikipedia, I am correctmonospaced
- to other sheep, yes.pr2
- DaveO24
I got vaxxed on Saturday. A strangely emotional moment. Went to a community center in bed stuy, a neighborhood I've barely left since this started. They made it nice, everyone welcoming people in. It was like a celebration, and a really good atmosphere.
I had the shot and then sat for the 15 minutes observation listening to some music, becoming more and more overwhelmed by emotions reflecting on the last 12 months.
It's been a rollercoaster. Stressful to be working, stressful to think about the alternative. Both of us trying to save our jobs and educate the kids at the same time the world is falling apart. My mum had a nervous breakdown mid-April and i could not get back to help her, and i was wondering if that was the last I'd see of the person I knew. Our nanny came back in May which made it easier but it meant 3 hours of driving per day to pick her up, but we could not have carried on without her. Then my wife lost her job, so everything got tighter. Kids went back to school for a few weeks then went in and out of remote school which is confusing for them. They're in the classroom in masks all day and being tested once a week. Then there's the fatigue of being plugged into Zoom 10 hours a day to stay employed. There's such a cost to all this.
So yeah I did shed a tear. It's been fucking tough. But if this vaccine gets us closer to what life used to look like then stick it in my arm.
- That’s a rough time. Have kids too so understand a bit. Better times ahead no doubt.mort_
- I bet you were responsible the whole time too. Here here. Hang in there man.monospaced
- I hope that you feel better soon Dave.utopian
- This is how psychological warfare works. I am sorry Dave, you will get through this.Hayoth
- Best to you Dave. This last year has been tough, and even tougher with kids (I have none, and seriously can’t even imagine trying to make it through this).lvl_13
- But I wish you and your family the best man. Here’s to hoping this vaccine brings some normalcy back to your life, and everyone else for that matter.lvl_13
- You managed to keep it all together in the past months, which is a very important thing. Took the first step to get back your life close to where it wassted
- ,did everything you could to get through this period, so it’s perfectly normal to feel the need to vent. All the best to you, it can only get better from here.sted
- QBN group hug for you dude. Past year has been really hard on folk especially folk with kids, I feel you.microkorg
- Stop chewing snot and move on with your lifedrgs
- <3DaveO
- Thanks QBN! It's getting better. So much of life in this has become normalized but it helps to recognize what we've been through as a species, its significant.DaveO
- Good on you for making it through. My mum was vaccinated today and that was an emotional moment for me. I can only imagine what it will be like when it’s me.Daithi
- Congrats dude! Your experience is not too far off from mine this past year trying to balance work, kids, virtual learning, and life in general.nocomply
- It's been rough to say the least, but I think we're on the verge of some much needed relief. Hang in there!nocomply
- COURAGE!stoplying
- sea_sea2
I got vaxxed last Wednesday, Pfizer. That's 5 days ago today. I get many people didn't get side effects after the first dose, did anyone here get side effects? What did you feel?
I ask because the day of I felt lethargic pretty quickly and a mild headache. Brain fog was a thing. I haven't felt 100% since. The symptoms come and go randomly. nausea, chills the other day. I'm starting to wonder if my anxiety about it, is making it worse.
At this rate, wtf is gonna happen after the second dose. x(
- arm and back pain was what my brother-in-law got. It could be we're all expecting side-effects and then they sort of manifest psychosomatically._niko
- lol yea honestly i wasn't expecting any, but sure enough. I also got arm pain the day after and upper back pain. It's just weird. treating the anxiety as well.sea_sea
- They say it takes a couple of weeks for the Bill Gates microchips to acclimate to your bodies vascular system. From there you'll become a walking WI-FI hotspot.utopian
- I had a few friends that had problems with Moderna. Pfizer seems like less side effects. I got mine (Pfizer) on Sunday, but nowt problemshardhat
- I suppose I'm lucky because I didn't feel anything after the first or second dose (pfizer)dorf
- none of the ppl around me got any side-effects (astra, pfizer vaxxed).
your anxiety is making it worse.sted - No harm mentioning it to your GP or testing center @sea_sea.mort_
- *vaccine center, rathermort_
- thinking about it and anxiety is what triggers the side effects.pango
- kidding. i have no idea.pango
- damn on your First dose? The hubs and I got all of that day after the second. ordered soup and watched bloodsport after we worked all day. hang in there.mapleT
- No side effects for me other than soreness around the injection site. My wife however had three days of utter exhaustion.FNP14
- 2nd Pfizer yesterday AM. Fatigue all day. Today, day 2 general malaise all day with off and on headache. Hopefully tomorrow will bring normalitymisterhow
- Thanks guys, after 5 days I was finally back to normal. Interesting enough, a nurse friend mentioned they're starting to see that it's not uncommon..sea_sea
- To get more severe side effects from pfizer after the first dose opposed to the second. Im hoping that's my case. If anything I'll be better prepared next time.sea_sea
- PonyBoy1
Department of Health and Human Services - Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority Mask Innovation Challenge
TOTAL CASH PRIZES OFFERED: $500,000
TYPE OF CHALLENGE: Creative (multimedia & design), Technology demonstration and hardware, Scientific
PARTNER AGENCIES | FEDERAL: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention - National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH)
SUBMISSION END: 04/21/2021 05:00 PM ET"Many public health agencies worldwide are encouraging their citizens to wear masks when in public spaces in order to reduce the spread of infectious respiratory diseases. However, there remain notable barriers that reduce overall mask usage. These barriers include issues such as contact dermatitis with prolonged wear, physical discomfort, fogging of eyeglasses, and difficulty communicating. In addition, many masks that are currently available tout unconfirmed protective capabilities that lack scientific evidence to support such claims...
The Mask Innovation Challenge aims to improve the comfort, utility, and protective capabilities of products that are worn during day-to-day activities by the general public"
- api0
AstraZeneca: British authority investigates cases of thrombosis.
The U.K. Medicines and Healthcare products Regulatory Agency is investigating cases of rare blood clots in the brain following vaccination with AstraZeneca's drug. The Medicines and Healthcare Regulatory Agency (MHRA) made the announcement today. Earlier, there had been a media report that the agency was considering no longer recommending the drug for under-30s.
"Our thorough and detailed investigation into reports of very rare and specific types of blood clots with low platelet counts following vaccination with AstraZeneca is continuing," MHRA chief executive June Raine said, according to the statement. A regulatory decision has not yet been made, however, she said. The agency urged people to continue attending vaccination appointments.
In the U.K., a total of about 30 cases of rare blood clots have been reported in more than 18 million vaccinations with AstraZeneca, the MHRA said last week.
agencies/translated
- which part of this is news?Fax_Benson
- this is fine :)renderedred
- may be getting it next week <punches cerebral cortex> ERRRRGGAHHH, BRING IT OONNNN!!!!!kingsteven
- apparently the majority of these cases have been women in their 50s, would like to know more though. i'm not sure many folks in their 30s have had it yet...kingsteven
- Chimp0
I got tested for antibodies and I still have a pretty hight number.
"You have been exposed to the virus, whether or not you have had symptoms, you have reacted and you have developed immunity." (translated from Spanish)
I'm quite surprised as I had Covid a year ago, March 2020.
My girlfriend who had it at the same time but not as bad has very little antibodies left.
- Is it possible you had it a second time, later in the year, asymptotically?********
- Oh, interesting. I had covid (mildly) in may, got positive antibody tests in june and november, but they didn't specify the quantity of antibodies.lnu
- nb, My doctor says it's probably because I had quite a bad infection so my body produced more antibodies.Chimp
- Interesting********
- Is it possible you had it a second time, later in the year, asymptotically?
- ********1
I am deeply concerned that the testing on these vaccines wasn’t rigorous, was rushed and have been approved under emergency authorization without a long term scientific study. Hundreds of millions of people have been vaccinated but we have no idea what will happen to them in 5 to 10 years so I plan to take my chances with this life threatening virus thank you very much.
Coupla years ago:
Hey let’s take these random pills I got from some doofus, he said they’re molly I dunno but it might make this festival slightly more fun. I just met the guy but I mean what other choice do we have- we know you are a coward, its okay. i've taken plenty of drugs to benifit myself, don't get the chance often to take one that benefits others...kingsteven
- yup, we're a living test bed.hans_glib
- @kingsteven - does the vaccine prevent you spreading it? i thought it was simply to stop you getting it, but you could still spread it. i have no idea tho.hans_glib
- they never did make an aids vaccine. this virus is weak!!********
- I was being sarcastic. Getting first dose today lulz********
- yep, they've found cases in people that live with (pfizer) vaccinated health workers have dropped by 54% in scotland. AZ had a study too but from what i've readkingsteven
- the idea of vaccines providing no reduction in transmissibility is theoretically possible but quite unlikelykingsteven
- soz nb, i've seen that rationalisation (first paragraph) a few time this week from folks i know from the BS in the second paragraph... madnesskingsteven
- @Stoic, there may be a HIV vaccine on the way partially due to Covid research. Going through trials ATMkingsteven
- and it will be called Burton :Dsted
- Have y'all never heard of PrEP********
- We are damned if you do and damned if we don't.utopian
- @kingsteven interesting news********
- grafician0
"Clear link between AstraZeneca vaccine and rare blood clots in brain, EMA official tells paper"
- And those cunts are changing the name now. Fuck them. I will never accept AstraZenecunt vaccineNBQ00
- EVERY drug you put in your body can produce unintended consequences in a small fraction of population. This is true of Aspirin, this vaccine and every other toopr2
- “ Cavaleri provided no evidence to support his comment.”monospaced
- “However, we still do not know what causes this reaction.”monospaced
- “ A causal link with the vaccine is not proven.”monospaced
- As such everything is "safe" only in relative terms. Getting covid is "safe" for a huge part of the population, but getting vaccinated against it might be...pr2
- didn't some germans find out?...some pages ago?uan
- All from the article.monospaced
- ...safer for certain parts of the population (70+).pr2
- @mono you better sell those AZ shares buddy, just in case...grafician
- I do t have shares. I have a mutual fund where they make up a small percentage. And I would never sell as it’s guaranteed money.monospaced
- clear link to CVST in 44 people out of 9.2m mostly women in their 50s on birth controlkingsteven
- That's a whopping 0.0000005%.monospaced
- Chill, it's just a...linkgrafician
- "get vaccinated." - monospacedrenderedred
- @render We all should get vaccinated ASAP, but apparently AZ shot is a mess.grafician
- It’s not apparently a mess. Millions have it and are doing great.monospaced
- @mono all the ppl I know who got shot with AZ were down for at least a week, very weird side effects. Pfizer/Moderna = zero side effects (around a dozen ppl)grafician
- btw I'm not antivax or something, I just see the news and this AZ vaccine keeps poppping up again and againgrafician
- Thanks, kingsteven - it was my mission this evening to see if they'd found the correlation. Partner has 2nd jab soon, so want to preëmpt any concernNairn
- I got moderna and have felt like shit for 3+ days. Same with everyone I know with Moderna. Tons with Pfizer too. Everyone is different.monospaced
- About 500+ people. So, there's that.monospaced
