Intellectual Dark Web
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- "nothing is random"renderedred
- why is this in this thread?Morning_star
- they're missing something right in the middle of this chart.
weed._niko - @Morning_star
Because it's exploring ideas.deadsperm - infographics / the more you know threadsarahfailin
- is this an "all conspiracy theories in one place" poster?Krassy
- #supnumbersguyjaylarson
- no dickbutt?teh
- Whats a Whtie Rabbit?toemaas
- shouldnt this be in the conspiracy thread?inteliboy
- @teh +1Krassy
- @toemaas "everything has meaning"renderedred
- "thinkspot is a collaborative community where individuals can explore and exchange ideas"
#exploringideasdeadsperm
- mort_5
LOL maybe you’re doing it wrong?
- Benny Shaps can't even get his wife's fanny wet.PhanLo
- “When someone comes along and expresses him or herself as freely as they think, people flock to it. j.roganneverscared
- That guy is so annoying. A Mr know-it-all wannabe.NBQ00
- you have so much in common, though. you each believe it's the woman's fault you haven't been able to satisfy her.imbecile
- nb3
https://twitter.com/jordanbpeter…
This looks intellectual
- https://i.imgur.com/…
fine cut.sted - Jordan Peterson spelled his own name wrongnb
- https://twitter.com/…dbloc
- Might be pills again, which I don't wish on anybody, but a bunch of simps hang on his every word, so it's problematic from a.. critical thought standpoint.garbage
- Another right wing nut fruit loop...right up Rogan's alley.utopian
- https://www.youtube.…garbage
- Not even kidding, I think he's using again. "There's no such thing as climate". Nice bowtie, Dr. Dimbulb.garbage
- @garbage, Why do you think his reasoning about why there's no such thing as 'Climate' or 'Environment' was inaccurate?Morning_star
- ..do I really have to answer that?garbage
- https://i.imgur.com/…
- PhanLo1
My mate keeps sending me rants about cultural marxism and how fake lefties are destroying society. He keeps mentioning 'some canadian guy who challenged people over toilets' and how lefty fascists are destroying society.
Along with scientists too because they don't hang out and get pissed or have sex like normal people
He's my best mate.
I find it bizarre he doesn't know who Petersen is. Years ago, if Jordan was in our company I think he might have leathered him.
But now I reckon they could hang out and eat meat together.- JP is good. Done be too woke.shapesalad
- He recently started to work in education, which I think has taken its toll.PhanLo
- Jordan Peterson is nothing but a crying grifter who forgot to clean his room and can die from a sip of apple cider. What a fucking role model.babydick
- Here come the QBN elite fascist commis to defend their ideology to the death like Hitler followers.Hayoth
- Where's super simp putopian?Hayoth
- If you could post your phone number Hayoth, maybe you could get a Whatsapp group going.PhanLo
- Ah gramps is here!inteliboy
- I have an *acquaintance who did that. told him to fuck off. haven't heard from him for 2 years.pango
- hey , the canadian says the marxist.... lol...also best friends ones can become complete morons over time .neverscared
- Gayoth, you're such a fucking cuck bitch for instantly bringing up that Austrian painter. Fucking moronbabydick
- Hayoth, the science denying, fascist commie bitch, at it again. Did you get a dictionary yet or are you still using words you don't know?monospaced
- nb0
Peterson was vilified by people who want to create villians. Because that's how they see the world: with villians. He gave his expert opinion and advice — which everyone was free to ignore. Unlike some people who argue for banning unpopular views.
He argued fairly and rationally, even with those who tried to shape him into a public villian. And now it appears he had some serious problems like we all do. We could all use a little more compassion.
- You're villifying people too.i_monk
- ^ not really. NB wasn't abusive or disparaging.Morning_star
- 'Everyone who isn't on the Peterson train is irrational and oppressive' essentially.i_monk
- Nope. If you want to project that meaning on to what NB has said then that's cool but it seems to me to be an irrational, oppressive interpretation.Morning_star
- I don't think he was a villain, but this is a bit of revisionist history. He deliberately inserted himself into controversial issues to help promote himself.yuekit
- He capitalized on the whole feminist/SJW backlash that happened a few years ago. I mean, he's basically come out and said this himself.yuekit
- That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be that feminist/SJW media thought he would be a pushover and quickly found out he wasn't, then they cried...Morning_star
- ...victim. Have a look at the Cathy Newman/Channel4 car crash. The only thing he seems to have done is stand his ground in the face of a smug media focussed...Morning_star
- ...on taking him down a peg or two.Morning_star
- Yes, Peterson is always the brave hero and everyone he opposes—sorry, who opposes him—is the hateful villain.i_monk
- @i_monk. You can keep chucking shade as much as you like but it's toothless. Let's see some examples of your accusations.Morning_star
- My perception...and I don't think I'm completely off base here...is that he would go on TV and deliberately say vaguely controversial thingsyuekit
- Don't really see Jordan as a villian. Just thought the drugs thing was a weird one. Imagine eating only meat for health reasons, but being fine with opiods?PhanLo
- Then bask in the outrage it would inevitably create from the left. And it was definitely successful for him, as a tactic to build a following and sell books.yuekit
- But he definitely wasn't this innocent old guy who got picked on by mean leftists as some of you seem to be saying. He knew what he was doing for sure :)yuekit
- Yuekit,I agree with that last bit .I don't think he courted outrage like you suggest though. Most of the time all he offered was coherent opposing opinions. ...Morning_star
- ...It was his opponents who generally took offence. Look at the fall out from his opposition to Pronouns use being law.Morning_star
- Cults need demonsGnash
- I specifically did not refer to everyone, instead using the clarifier "some". I'm not creating villains.nb
- Jesus Peterson will not rise from the youtube death, he will stay in Russia drugged by ballsy doctors and eating rat meatSalarrue
- If you believe people have a right to not be offended then you can find fault in what he says.cannonball1978
- Spoken like someone who doesn't regularly have his rights treated like a topic for debate by demagogues.i_monk
- Fuck Jordan Peterson. Peter Joseph says hi.babydick
- i_monk wtf does that even mean. flailing.cannonball1978
- I was made an equal citizen within my life time; I'm not 'offended' when those rights are questioned, I see the implicit threat they can be taken away again.i_monk
- kingsteven2
- https://i.imgur.com/…Gnash
- Made by a sensitive little millennial easily offended rat kinset
- Nothing more dangerous than the group collective.Hayoth
- you made this, set?imbecile
- Hayoth: the words group and collective mean the same thing, what you just said is like saying you love dog canines lolset
- What is tautology?deadsperm
- The science of keeping your ballbag tautset
- Hayoth loves using words and terms he has no understanding of, especially when he's uber-triggeredmonospaced
- Hayoth, what about communism, is that not worse? Or socialism? Or fascism? What about atheism, isn't that THE worst?monospaced
- it's not wrong to say 'group collective,' since it is a collective of disparate groups. each group vying for supremacy over the other.Gnash
- Agreed. Atheism is definitely THE worst.Morning_star
- lolmonospaced
- renderedred6
- whoa!Krassy
- Cryptocurrency lolmonNom
- < his other maps are great also.MrAbominable
- BonSeff2
Flow like water or Peterson's tears? Stop listening to these clowns.
- Really. Why?Morning_star
- Because they'll both make ridiculous assertions that they then can't defend, hiding behind thin whataboutisms and deflection.see_thru
- I find those who dismiss them tend to do it without substance. Which assertions in particular ?Morning_star
- I can't think of a single assertion that harris has made that he hasn't defended meticulously.Gnash
- Is best to have as many different perspectives as possible.mugwart
- agree with mugwart and morning_star, you don't have to agree but if you block out perspectives you can't have a meaningful debatespot13
- Where did I say I block anything out? You don't have access to what I read and watch, so you can't possibly guess at what influences my perspectives.see_thru
- Harris is a promotor of toxicity; he’s historically uninformed and panders to racist right-wing pseudo intellectualism.see_thru
- You talk about open debate? Look at the people he's hosted versus the people he's gone after or has categorically stated he won't debate. He needs to be exposedsee_thru
- You can't rely on 'we just know' as an argument...he runs interference. He defends toxic reactionary ideas like the bell curve FFS.see_thru
- I don't know much about Harris, but from what I do know, I wouldn't have deduced he panders to the right wing racists at all.monospaced
- Different opinions are okay. You can disagree with people's opinions. Chill out, it's okay.spot13
- Embracing Charles Murray...his position on Islam...echoing white nationalist discourse; my understanding of pandering must be off.see_thru
- I'm not saying you're wrong, dude. Just saying I'm ignorant of his stance. I know little of him beyond his atheist views.monospaced
- Harris didn't embrace murray, he discussed the efficacy of his data - regardless of how those findings are used by bad actors.Gnash
- he may have views you disagree with but to say he doesn't - or can't - defend them is just plain wrong. He goes to great lengths to explain himselfGnash
- Exactly, Gnash.monospaced
- Yes he defends - using ideas and contexts based on inaccuracies. Duke, Jones, Bannon, Shapiro etc, all go to great lengths to explain themselves too.see_thru
- the guys you mention aren't even on the same planet as harris. lumping him with those guys indicates to me you get your views prepackagedGnash
- Did I say that they were? I'm merely pointing out that even the dumbest players can explain shit away....see_thru
- ...and if listening to a wide variety of opinion over several hours daily qualifies as prepackaged, well...see_thru
- @ see_thru. Share the wealth brother/sister. Who do you listen to? Who should we take notice of?Morning_star
- Just chiming in: Harris is that smug dipshit at the party that never shuts up, but should because he's not nearly as smart as he thinks he is.garbage
- ^ you must have him confused for Cenk UygurGnash
- ^ implying that I have any affinity for the fucking Young Turks.garbage
- yuekit2
- "There's a war...for your MIND"yuekit
- i can't decide if this looks like a bush-league wrestling channel, a show about psychic phenomena, or a nasty Robot Wars knockoff.face_melter
- hairpiece guy explaining to Jones that it was 'ghosts' that made him take photos of his neighbour's 15yo daughter.face_melter
- it's all real if you look hard enough.Ianbolton
- How hard do you think you look?Ianbolton
- It's actually all of those things are more facemelter... weird thing is Weinstein was supposed to be part of the "Intellectual Dark Web."yuekit
- He was promoted by people like Sam Harris, Richard Dawkins, Bill Maher. Others repeatedly pointed out he's actually an insane conspiracy theorist..yuekit
- I like the nasty Robot Wars knockoff idea.Continuity
- Dawkins is the only reasonable person in that list. Harris and Maher are fucking morons, they are right up there with Hairpiece.garbage
- shitty, two-bit, robots with names like 'Ephebophilia Enforcer' and 'Ayn Rand's Sweetspot'.face_melter
- I don't like how the F aligns with the Omisterhow
- I N PO W A R Sface_melter
- shapesalad1
- Lol, he's got a bit of 'NRA Heston' about him.Morning_star
- Just needs a cider to mellow out. Or maybe that would make him worse.PhanLo
- well edited. but the gun bit was a bit cheap at the endshapesalad
- Not quite on the level of Vic Berger but I bet you could make some decent $ making videos like this if you just cranked them out day after day.yuekit
- he's a content makers dream ha.fadein11
- I want to know the actual context, but I honestly can't stand to listen to either one of these morons.garbage
- Click bate thumbnails .. let me guess the video doesn't actually have anything interestingpango
- PANGO LIVESgarbage
- pango1
- Anyone who likes JP is an ass sucking cuck.pango
- You're goddamn right, buckob_a_b_y_d_i_c_k
- vitality not so much...neverscared
- Peak podcast.shapesalad
- Sad clown is sad :(mrAtor
- he gets sad when he contemplates the plight of men.bogue
- *biological men.bogue
- haven't seem many that debate him have better arguments...BabySnakes
- just because you're good at arguing, doesn't mean you're not talking out of your ass. he's neither a Neuroscientist and Meteorologistpango
- yet he still argues out of his depth in those field.pango
- or anything. he will argue anything.pango
- yuekit4
One thing I found kind of interesting is that apparently this anti PC, anti left trend is a big thing in Xi Jinping's China of all places. They call it baizuo or "white left."
https://www.opendemocracy.net/en…
Although the emphasis varies, baizuo is used generally to describe those who “only care about topics such as immigration, minorities, LGBT and the environment” and “have no sense of real problems in the real world”; they are hypocritical humanitarians who advocate for peace and equality only to “satisfy their own feeling of moral superiority”; they are “obsessed with political correctness” to the extent that they “tolerate backwards Islamic values for the sake of multiculturalism”; they believe in the welfare state that “benefits only the idle and the free riders”; they are the “ignorant and arrogant westerners” who “pity the rest of the world and think they are saviours”.
- I'm not sure it's a 'trend' as such. It seems to be reaction to the obvious and poorly considered consequences of identity and equity focused policy.Morning_star
- Elsewhere we call them liberals.palimpsest
- lol now Fox News has caught onto this term
https://www.twitter.…yuekit - fox news. the greatest ally of ccp.pango
- Salarrue0
/https://www.thestar.com/content/dam/thestar/news/insight/2018/05/25/i-was-jordan-petersons-strongest-supporter-now-i-think-hes-dangerous/jp_with_fans.jpg)
"It could be his dark view of life, wherever it comes from, that the aggressive group of young men among his followers identify with. They may feel recognized, affirmed, justified and enabled. By validating them he does indeed save them, and little wonder they then fall into line enthusiastically, marching lockstep behind him"
https://outline.com/Ef7wGR- This is two years old and was dealt with about 4 pages back.Morning_star
- Peterson probably saved a few lives of young men. In the same way believing in jesus has.PhanLo
- Cheap self help doesn't mean he healed people, is a scam. His current life is proof of thatSalarrue
- "dark views" Eh? The backlash against Peterson is everything that is wrong with the left...inteliboy
- the problem is talking or defending absolutes, right and left are not perfect and will never be. I think the lesson is not to worship any false prophet.Salarrue
- Can't stand Shapiro, though he aint a bad guy, or spouting 'dark views', or part of the alt right. Just a dude with a bunch of opposing views to me. The end.inteliboy
- I do understand the backlash against Peterson... where it comes form... though it bleeds onto people like Rogan and Sam Harris...inteliboy
- ...who have the most middle of the road way of thinking about things, running thought experiments, engaging in discourse. But the left pile hate as usual.inteliboy
- Why does someone need another person to think or build their judgment instead of himself?Salarrue
- Possibly because nobody is creative in a vacuum. We need new ideas to consider, question, develop analogies with and develop new insights into prior knowledge.monNom
- "Your" thoughts are just the latest permutation of the global collection of thoughts that we have been refining since forever.monNom
- @Salarrue. You asked "Why does someone need another person to think or build their judgment instead of himself?" Man, thats a deep, deep question. Besides 10%..Morning_star
- of the planet being athiest, meaning that 90% look for 'someone' to think for, guide and judge them on a daily basis. I think the answer is, it's human nature..Morning_star
- Peterson sold 2million+ books, some of which had a valuable impact on the readers lives. I think your dismissal of him is influenced by common...Morning_star
- ...misconceptions and untruths. Maybe you should ask yourself why your judgement is influenced by others.Morning_star
- Weekend at Jordie’s_niko
- flol _nikoNairn
- In this digital age question everything and trust no oneSalarrue
- I enjoyed his bookscarabin
- It wasn’t life changing or anything thoughscarabin
- inteliboy2
I'm finding myself listening less and less to these guys.
There's only a certain number of times I can hear Rubin and co complain about university campuses. You start to form this world view that we're in some kind of neo-liberal feminist cultural crisis.
When in the reality, it's the right and 'far right' that are in control of todays political climate across the world. Not a bunch of annoying pink haired twenty somethings on twitter.
Though do still tune in occasionally to Harris and Rogan - they seem to be the only guys that explore other shit like AI, consciousness, science and tech.
- i tend to agree, Rubin and Shapiro annoy the shit out of me, they seem to think less in favour of provocation. I can't get enough of the Weinsteins. With...Morning_star
- +1BonSeff
- ...regard to the pink haired twenty somethings, i think they need to grow a set and start engaging with those that disagree with them.Morning_star
- Rogan is dark web?monospaced
- YepMorning_star
- meet the IDW ;) . https://www.nytimes.…Morning_star
- IDW if a format not an ideology, mono.MrAbominable
- ^ isMrAbominable
- Thank you, MrAbominableBonSeff
- hrmmmmonospaced
- Rogan is a podcast host no? I thought this was an intellectual movement no, that happened to use new media as a channel.fadein11
- Christ I quite like Rogan as well, thought the whole point was he didn't know who to agree with.fadein11
- Yeah Rogans pretty neutral, he does a great job examining and exploring all sides, he changes his mind a lot too which is great._niko
- I find that on a long enough timeline, people will eventually say something that turns you off of them._niko
- yep. he had Brian Cox on last week hafadein11
- Neither do the other members of the IDW. That's the point, open and challenging public thought and discussion.Morning_star
- As long as they all kind of agree on the foundations. Where are all the women?fadein11
- Heather E. Heying, Christina Hoff Sommers.Morning_star
- Cool, will check them out. Was worried oprah may be included as rogan is hafadein11
- ifn i'm not wrong, morning_star, wouldn't it be correct to say that 'most' of the IDW identify as Left?MrAbominable
- I believe Sommers does. I know Rogan and Petersen do.MrAbominable
- @MrAbomonable. I believe you’re right. However when asked Peterson and Harris, among others, have claimed they aren’t political.Morning_star
- ^I suggest that a lot of the criticism against IDW is that it's largely Left being open to critique against Left ...which is abhorrent to Progressives.MrAbominable
- Fax_Benson8
"intellectual" dark web is quite a grandiose name for what seems actually to be a pretty safe space.
- nudes7
click bait ... this has nothing to do with dark web
- Morning_star0
I hoped it could be different but it seems that some that are cloaked in the dogma of the left have contributed little to nothing to this thread apart from snarky comments, dismissive assumptions and preformed conclusions. The certainty in which the opponents of the IDW dismiss the arguments without a morsel of counter debate, fact or reference reminds me of the Sunday faithful - all bluster and judgement with little to no substance.
The consistent insistence that anyone to the right of their political coterie is a nazi is just retarded. Trying to paint everything Center or Right as Far-right makes me think that there is no coherent ideology just bitching and moaning. Just because you claim something and say it over and over again does not make it true. Especially when the targets of those claims actually tell you exactly what their political ideologies are.
Why does it seem to be so difficult to listen and acknowledge a differing opinion with resorting to name calling and baseless labelling? Maybe we are reaping the fallout of identity politics and collective responsibility.
I can’t remember who made the point but it’s puzzling that we acknowledge what happens and have a plethora of names and insults for when the right goes to far - Facist, Nazi etc etc. We acknowledge the horrors of holocaust and the SS, The Black Shirts, KKK, EDL - yet there seems to be no equivalent on the fleft yet its mountain of dead dwarfs that of the right.
- Welcome all, let your thoughts flow like water.Fax_Benson
- ideology is a really difficult thing to address. most people can't acknowledge their own bias to entertain a discussion of something contrary. and it doesn'tMrAbominable
- hurt that MSM is filled with aggressive garbage designed to be divisive with the volume on 11.
Which brings us back to Dork Web. Very much not MSM; not on 11.MrAbominable - this is a powerhouse of a post.inteliboy
- Expecting a point by point rebuttal is a bit unrealistic when the opener was "what do you think of this vague movement" (which you would have to admit has ayuekit
- rather cringey and pretentious name).yuekit
- Of course there are intelligent people on the right, however personally I find Jordan Peterson in particular to be extremely overrated.yuekit
- Moring, aren't you doing the very thing you accuses others of doing? 4 paragraphs and not much is said other than frustration at no-labels for off the wall leftpr2
- The interpretation that Nazi or fascism is right is a lie. It's as left as you get. Total govt control. Often emmulated on this website with speech and mobs.Hayoth
- The left have eaten themselves. They have lost their vision. They have pretty much guaranteed they will not be in power for a very long time.severian
- Hayoth. Nothing about this site has ANYTHING to do with government control. You sound so childish and naive it’s almost insane.monospaced
- Hayoth has got be a troll...I hope :/yuekit
- Nope. He is sincerely that confused. Typical of his political demographic actually.monospaced
- palimpsest1
- Our hero nails it again! I've made some great chilli sauces recently but I feel as though the Trinidad scorpion chillies are fucking up my taste.Ianbolton
- There is a point at where chillies are no longer about the food and more about the ride. I'm not willing to take it that far.palimpsest
- i´am connfident the art is the xcuse for not coming there although its really his persona why they don´t like it at his place..neverscared
- Mental midgetutopian
- I just can't. There is no way that anybody with a brain wouldn't laugh at this drivel.garbage
- is this ai?Nairn
- palimpsest1
Since they took our hero Jordan Peterson down. How many of yall's still down with David Goggins?
- What's Goggins ever done? He just chats with Rogan and says 'fuck' a lot. Some of his stories are pretty funnyIanbolton
- I like Goggins, I find him insane, but fair fucks to him. Stay Hard!PhanLo
- Stay hard!palimpsest
- Haha. i wish i could stay hard long enough to make a differenceIanbolton
- lolNairn
- I'd just like to point out that the fucker has never ran the UTMTB.
hashtag SLAYpalimpsest - hero lolmonospaced
- I want Jordan's Benzos!fadein11
- shapesalad-2
https://thedeepdive.ca/jordan-pe…
Jordan Peterson Proposes Alternative To World Economic Forum:
“We’re trying to put together something like an alternative vision of the future – say an alternative to that kind of apocalyptic narrative that’s being put forward, at least implicitly, by organizations like the WEF,” Peterson said.
The worldwide group, according to Peterson, will be based in London, with the first meeting scheduled for the fall. He didn’t say anything about the group’s name or who will be involved.
Peterson went on to say that the consortium will be founded on questions rather than solutions, one of which would be bringing the most energy and resources to the most people at the lowest possible cost.
“You don’t get to save the planet by making energy prices so expensive that no one poor can afford them. That’s off the table,” he said. “You don’t get to impose your utopian vision in the service of your narcissism on the poor.”
Another dilemma is how to prioritize human well-being “in harmony with nature,” with the caveat that it should not be “predicated on the idea that there are too many goddamn mouths to feed and that you’re evil if you just think about having children.”
Other issues the consortium hopes to address, he says, are “how do we arrange systems of governance” without a top-down approach like the WEF and how to promote long-term monogamous child-centred families.
“Some spirit is going to guide you – that’s life. The question is, what is the highest spirit that could guide you?” Peterson said.
- Remember when Peterson tried to start a social media site? I think this will have a similar ending...
https://en.wikipedia…yuekit - Worth a shot!canoe
- Yuekit, Any thoughts about the idea? Or maybe we should say that he was addicted to drugs and has a weird diet. Or perhaps he earns too much to be credible.Morning_star
- President: Peterson
Treasurer: Rogan
Secretary: Tatepalimpsest - Morning_star You seriously think Jordan Peterson is going to start an alternative to the World Economic Forum. If he can pull it off I will grant that's quiteyuekit
- an achievement but I'd suspect it'll just be him and some other podcasters charging people to come see them speak.yuekit
- I hope most of you are aware that Peterson is a fucking loon, pure and simple, that talks bullshit about all kinds of things he has no idea about?crazyprick
- A man can dream.palimpsest
- The Renaissance is over, he is nothing but a jack of all trades, master of none false prophet. His fanbase are people I would never want to drink beer withcrazyprick
- He should just stick to what he does best - crying while talking about Pinocchiocrazyprick
- https://www.theguard…yuekit
- ^ Peterson will bring cheap energy to the poor with his alternative ideas about how the environment works.yuekit
- The Chad Economic Forum.palimpsest
- I would love to read Morning_star's economic take on this on a proper post. Because I'm only basing my judgement on Peterson's persona.palimpsest
- JP is pushing for war with Iran because misogyny. Fuck this guy.IRNlun6
- Peterson is gaining power, he is everywheredrgs
- This isn't even his final form.palimpsest
- Peterson is a religious quackinteliboy
- Jordan Peterson can't even drink ciderPhanLo
- @PhanLo, you shut your whore mouth!palimpsest
- Peterson is a god.palimpsest
- Peterson is a goof. I watched many hours of the whiney cunt and all I get is humans are too stupid to live without sky gods. Maybe they are.PhanLo
- Remember when Peterson tried to start a social media site? I think this will have a similar ending...