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@BonSelf
Fundamentally you seem to be confusing someone articulating the truth of a historical figure with the actual promotion of the historical figures ideology.
One of the common features of those folk deemed part of the IDW is that nothing, nothing should be excluded from discussion and debate. The discussions are difficult and often without a satisfactory conclusion.
If you can't find a coherent thread of support for Hitler's ideologies amongst Petersons myriad content that's because there isn't one. If you are content to judge the man and make a conclusion about his ideologies on 6mins of video that's cool. However, I think you are closing your mind to a broader and deeper perspective regarding subjects you seem to care about.
- I think we have various intellectuals right now, trying to unravel how we've managed to inflict so much genocide as a species.Ianbolton
- Is it evolution and part of our tribalistic nature? Or is it a bad egg in there that needs to be understood to be avoidedIanbolton
- ^ kinda simplified a bit there because there are so many facets to these debatesIanbolton
- I think the horrors of the 20thC have manifest through mundane and seemingly innocent policy and strategy. Evil creeps. It's why Peterson got his arse in his...Morning_star
- ...hands about Bill C-16 in Canada. It was the principle of enforced speech and where it can lead that enflamed his opposition. It's why he is so disturbed by..Morning_star
- ...the Ideological Left that define themselves as groups rather than individuals.Morning_star
- Peterson blew C-16 far out of proportion. And he's definitely on board with demoting certain demographics to 2nd class.i_monk
- Why are you linking Godwin's law when JP's topic was literally Hitler?BonSeff
- @ i_monk, which demographics are the ones he's demoting?
@ BonSelf 'cause you called him to a Nazi. The very definition of Godwins law.Morning_star - wrong. i called him an apologist.BonSeff
- You mean, i took what you said and misrepresented it to confirm one of my assertions. Fuck, i'm sorry, i can't imagine where i got the idea.Morning_star
- @M_s: Gays.i_monk
- Gays, trans and women.BonSeff
- ^ wow, that escalated quickly! You're saying Peterson is a Nazi apologist? That's rather untrue.Ianbolton
- "The German's had plenty of reasons to be resentful and hateful, I mean think about it"BonSeff
- his words, not mine. care to comment?BonSeff
- Yeah, because I'm resentful and hateful probably explains why I'd follow someone like Hitler. That doesn't excuse what happened you idiot.Ianbolton
- He's trying to understand why we'd follow such dictators and why they come into power in the first place. That not sympathising with their ideologiesIanbolton
- @ BonSelf. Did you listen to what he said after he uttered those words? No? Well he explains them, in terms of the fallout from WW1/hyper inflation etc.Morning_star
- Thanks for the Jordansplainin',
typical.BonSeff - wrong. those thing didn't change hitler. his time in vienna during his early 20's did.BonSeff
- wanna know how i know that? because he says it in his own fucking book. jesus christ you mutherfuckers will go to the mat for this fucking guy. bravo.BonSeff
- Sorry, could you Hitlersplain to us so we understand how less stupid you think you are than usIanbolton
- @i_monk. He tells the truth based on scientific research. He doesn't use it to justify an agenda. It is not honest to claim that we are all the same and that...Morning_star
- I'll let JP take care of that.BonSeff
- Haha, I think we have another troll on here. Keep up the good work manIanbolton
- ...there are no differences between Straight and Gay Couples when it comes to fostering kids for instance or Women and Men are stimulated by...Morning_star
- ..different careers. These are general claims born from science and you're a fool if you think you can take his utterances and apply them on an individual...Morning_star
- ...basis.Morning_star
- @ BonSelf. You seem to be quite the Nazi expert.Morning_star
- @ BonSelf. Also, he was talking about the German people NOT Hitler.Morning_star
- Balls and strikes. I call them as I see em. Flame on.BonSeff
- Have you tried SpecSavers.Morning_star
- Have you tried not swinging from a sexist, nazi apologist's ball sack?
i'm done.BonSeff - You're done? Quitter.Morning_star
- BonSeff-1
I mean Hitler spells it out in his own fucking book! But hey, Kermit, spin it anyway that suits your narrative.
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In Mein Kampf, Hitler describes the transformation in his thinking regarding the Jews. It began with a chance meeting.
"Once, as I was strolling through the inner city, I suddenly encountered an apparition in a black caftan and black hair locks. Is this a Jew? was my first thought."
"For, to be sure, they had not looked like that in Linz. I observed the man furtively and cautiously, but the longer I stared at this foreign face, scrutinizing feature for feature, the more my first question assumed a new form: is this a German?"
To answer his own question, he immersed himself in anti-Semitic literature. Then he went out and studied Jews as they passed by.
"...the more I saw, the more sharply they became distinguished in my eyes from the rest of humanity..."
A jubilant young Hitler among the crowd celebrating the German proclamation of war on the Odeonplatz in Munich, Germany, August 2, 1914. Below: Close-up of the photo highlight showing Hitler."For me this was the time of the greatest spiritual upheaval I have ever had to go through. I had ceased to be a weak-kneed cosmopolitan and become an anti-Semite."
- Standard confirmation bias.i_monk
- no, no, the mob made him do it.BonSeff
- This is one of those "listen for things in the video that confirms what I'm thinking" situations.cannonball1978
- Read my comments in the previous post. My quotes in this post all happened in Vienna in his early 20's when he was lazy and homeless. Dude just wanted to paintBonSeff
- And was a filthy homeless person. Who BTW scraped by selling paintings thanks to a jewish store owner who hanged them in his shopBonSeff
- I downvoted the shit out of this postBonSeff
- BonSeff1
Give a salary-challenged man a chance, ladies
- haven't watched this yet - does he do Bird on the Wire?Fax_Benson
- Morning_star-1
Listen if you dare (not really, it's quite apt subject matter in the light of the recent 'Pic of the day' furore).
#137 - SAFE SPACE
This week Sam Harris talks to Jonathan Haidt with topics that include How to fuck your kids up, University Campus Craziness and the 3 Great Untruths:
1. What doesn't kill you makes you weaker.
2. Always trust your feelings.
3. Life is a battle between good people and evil people.https://samharris.org/podcasts/1…
[I guess there will be those that won't listen out of unfounded preconceived prejudices, if you do manage to grab a listen it would be good to talk about some of the concepts put forward.]
- [guilt disclaimer]BonSeff
- No guilt here Bon. More of a challenge.Morning_star
- was a good one this.inteliboy
- Morning_star-8
If you've got a few hours, this is a fascinating discussion. Both Peterson and Harris genuinely seem to striving for common understanding and progression.
- Jeez, What's with the fucking down vote? There's no finer way to show ignorance and cowardice.Morning_star
- maybe somebody has watched it and doesn't like it. Or doesn't like them in general. what does it matter?Fax_Benson
- upvoting without having watched it is equally pointless.Fax_Benson
- plus ça change.Morning_star
- It's cool that there are interesting discussioins online. I just don't understand the aggression.Fax_Benson
- There are finer ways to show ignorance and cowardiceFax_Benson
- I could explain Fax but ultimately you're right, it really doesn't matter. I should be more charitable.Morning_star
- Someone downvotes all postsdrgs
- someone posted an article from the person that recruited Peterson and their regret in doing so. anyway... the guy is a bit...shapesalad
- downvoted simply for the notesimbecile
- Peterson is fine when talking about tidying up cupboards, but he believes in sky gods so can't take him seriously.PhanLo
- Are you sure PhanLo ? Because in these two videos (and any other source you care to ignore) he goes to great lengths to explain that he doesn't.Morning_star
- Wee why did he waste 30 minutes of my time skirting round the subject in previous discussions? I'll give the talk a listen and see what he has to say.PhanLo
- thanks for adding this M_s. Had been hearing about these and glad for the glimpse.MrAbominable
- there's a talk below (which is great actually aside from peterson losing his knickers when his arguments are dismantled) where he yet again discusses thefadein11
- importance of sky Gods.fadein11
- I don't think he does Fadein11. His focus is on the utility of myth as a carrier of survival truth. He focusses on Christianity because he believes that it's..Morning_star
- ...myths/narratives... are the most appropriate and considered from the western perspective. He talks very little about god.Morning_star
- Peterson discusses the importance of the narratives we've built around 'sky gods' not the sky gods themselves. He's trying to break down those stories as they..Ianbolton
- explain what it was to be human hundreds of years ago. They were one of the main reasons we could collaborate and work together as a speciesIanbolton
- So I think some of those stories have shaped who we are today, so why not try and dissect them, trying to understand more about human behaviourIanbolton
- yep indeed that's what I said isn't it? I didn't say he believed in them. Was that directed at Phanlo?fadein11
- @ian, I completely agree, and it's been looked at a great deal prior to Peterson. He falls apart in the video below when he connects ethics to said beliefs.fadein11
- I do enjoy what he has to say on those subjects though, which is a bitter pill to swallow considering I disagree with so much other stuff he says.fadein11
- lol at the downvote triggeringernexbcn
- palimpsest0
- need some tough men to create some good times! Just punching fuck out of everything til quality of life improvesPhanLo
- _niko1
this has got to be one of the funniest things I've ever watched, especially starting at 35:00
- Morning_star-1
@yuekit
Whilst the Weinstein's should not be the only source of information one uses to garner information and subsequently form opinions I do think that they consistently adhere to the scientific principles. And, more importantly change their opinions when faced with provable facts.
I listen to their weekly podcast (among others) and have seen them talk with and examine experts and test their opinions before committing to any hypothesis they support.
They were correct about the Lab Hypothesis way before main stream opinion cottoned on and, so far, they have been careful and right about the claims they're making regarding Ivermectin. The fact that it has proven effective in the treatment and cessation of Covid in Eastern Europe, Africa, India and South America needs to be investigated. And, Oxford University also agree and are carrying out trials as we speak.
The Weinsteins' can sometimes be alarmist and also prone to a victim mentality BUT they are both consistent in their approach and address quickly any inaccuracies they have in their claims.
If you don't want to listen that's cool but your generalisations about them are largely second hand and mostly inaccurate.
- How can you say they are correct about the "lab hypothesis"? It's still just speculation and totally unknown.yuekit
- And same with ivermectin, it hasn't been proven effective yet...yuekit
- 'Hypothesis' is the key word here. Their argument is that it should be on the table as an option. And they were right.Morning_star
- Their claims about Ivermectin are also similar, they just want it studied and 'on the table' as an option.Morning_star
- I dunno, I listened to his recent episode...which was literally called "How to Save the World"...and yes he advocated giving everyone ivermectinyuekit
- for one month and claimed this would end the pandemic. Also lots of fear mongering about vaccines. If I had listened to that and didn't know any better,yuekit
- there's zero chance I'd vaccinate myself or my family. So I get the criticism above.yuekit
- Yes, because it's incredibly safe and is likely to help in the treatment and stopping transmission of covid.Morning_star
- But that's the contested part right? It's not at all established. They just retracted one of the major studies today.yuekit
- They go to GREAT lengths to explain their caution about the covid vaccines. And ALWAYS say they are pro-vaxx.Morning_star
- Have you got a link? And it IS established as an incredibly safe drug. More than 4billion doses have been given around the world over the last 30yearsMorning_star
- See here...and also read the replies.
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - Thanks Yeukit i'll have a look. It's noteable that it was tweeted by Brett himself no less.Morning_star
- This is a Reddit convo about the retraction. https://www.reddit.c…Morning_star
- The more I read about ivermectin, seems like it's safe at regular doses but toxic if you take too much.yuekit
- The original study that started all the interest showed that it killed SARS 2 virus in cells...but at incredibly high doses.yuekit
- You can kill a lot of things that way, but doesn't mean it will work as a medicine. Since then there have been a bunch of studies showing conflicting outcomes.yuekit
- Everything is toxic at a high enough dose. You can't on one hand claim studies show evidence that 'ABC' and then in the same argument claim that there hasn't...Morning_star
- ...been any proper studies to show any meaningful results. One or the other.Morning_star
- What hasn't been proven is that it will work well to prevent or treat COVID-19 in humans. There's a big difference between injecting something into cells in ayuekit
- @yuekit - Have a listen to the new podcast. I've posted separately. It addresses all of the point you bring up.Morning_star
- lab and it being safe and effective for real world use. If the dose needed to prevent COVID is so high, this could have negative side effects obviously.yuekit
- I also wonder...just on a common sense basis...entire countries have been using this drug out of desperation for about a year now. Brazil for instance was bigyuekit
- on the ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine. And of course it's a total disaster there.yuekit
- You can point to countries where they used it and things weren't so bad. But if it was a drug that could end the pandemic, wouldn't experts have noticed by now?yuekit
- You'd think that would be the case.Morning_star
- AQUTE1
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