Intellectual Dark Web
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- 12xu3
- Who doesn't love meat from dad?PhanLo
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- PhanLo1
- Hahahahajmckinno
- those damn plumbers!BonSeff
- LolMorning_star
- 1:18 LOLHayzilla
- BonSeff0
Hi! Kermit THE Nazi apologist here just normalizing Hitler.
- cue outrage at outrage in 3.2.1...fadein11
- lol @ "thinking" he's normalizing hitler. reading too many click-bait outrage articles. blessGnash
- please.BonSeff
- Boohoo he didn't talk about Hitler without saying bad things about him. Lazy fucking thinking.cannonball1978
- I find him a snoozefest, but don't think he was normalising One Ball here.PhanLo
- "The German's had plenty of reasons to be resentful and hateful, I mean think about it"BonSeff
- He goes on to talk about WWI even though Hitler dodged military service in his youth. Give me a break.BonSeff
- "He acts out the dark desire of the mob"
Dude admits to be an anti-semite 25 years prior in Vienna during his early 20s.BonSeff - do you find acheropites of Hitler on your toast, too?Gnash
- Then he pivots to antifa.BonSeff
- Tell me, what am I missing here? Where is Peterson going with this?BonSeff
- grow up, dude. read a bit deeper. you're spoon-fed from the same trough as the other outrage addicts on hereGnash
- Deeper how? Enlighten me.BonSeff
- I bet you can't.BonSeff
- the guy has had a billion hours of his lectures on YT from before anyone even knew who he was.Gnash
- if there was anything even remotely 'nazi' about his ideology the woke vanguard would have exposed him long ago.Gnash
- he's spent a big chunk of his career studying the psychology authoritarian regimes. but ya, he's a nazi. ugh.Gnash
- you'l find a bakers dozen of his lectures talking about the evil of hitlerGnash
- so do your own homework and thinking. (pro tip -- teen vogue isn't your best source)Gnash
- fuck, dude. this particular video. ad hominem me again. dodge the challenge. go.BonSeff
- i swear to god, peterson trots out this shit and you ask me to do my homework. straight up, fuck you.BonSeff
- defend the fucking video and tell me how he is not feigning empathy.BonSeff
- it's quite clear how you're wrong about him being a nazi apologist and a normalizer of hitler. I don't need to ad your hominem for that.Gnash
- Where did teen vogue come from? Oh right, something to do with women.BonSeff
- because "teen"Gnash
- a teenage level of insightGnash
- I guess I actually had t spell that one out.Gnash
- Are you going to speek to the content of this video or not? Talking shit isn’t helping your positionBonSeff
- Giving yourself props for explaining your dodge, who is the teen here?BonSeff
- you asked, I explained.Gnash
- and I see no evidence in the vid that jp is a nazi apologist nor did I see evidence of him normalizing hitler.Gnash
- but he did sound a bit like kermit at times. good burn!Gnash
- of course you don'tBonSeff
- because there isn't any. I know you tried to voxsplain it with your quotes above but those support neither of your aped opinionsGnash
- i don't read vox dude, never been a fan of ezra klein. again, dodging.BonSeff
- (sorry to assume. my apologies)Gnash
- I read deeper and see what you did there/
thanks for the discussion which went nowhere. fwiw, i appreciate your participation on this site. g'nite, sir.BonSeff - same. cheersGnash
- kingsteven0
I alluded to this project in the side notes a while back, don't know if it's been posted before but essentially a group of left leaning academics exposing 'grievance studies' (the motivation for the laundering of fringe concepts relating to race, gender through the university system). I don't particularly find any of them more likeable than Peterson et al. but as a project I find it a far more effective expose than anything I've heard from him.
I get wound up when I hear that criticism of these 'intellectual dark web' guys is "from the left". Irregardless of political interests I think it's right to be suspicious of the motivations of an individual or group challenging the rights of minority groups, particularly if they're claiming biological proof... Historically that's very dangerous territory.
Anyway, (if your goal isn't genocide) exposing the systems that lead to this shit (by submitting fake papers to academic journals) and creating terminology to describe the phenomenon seems like a far better way to stimulate public discussion and accomplish the same thing.
YouTube playlist:
https://is.gd/CHAq1V- the papers that actually got published were verging on onion territory. they were quite funny.Gnash
- while none of the journals were on the level of Science or Nature, they were considered notable in the fields of grievance studies.Gnash
- "I think it's right to be suspicious of the motivations of an individual or group challenging the rights of minority groups" Nobody is doing that.cannonball1978
- I'm referring to the hurt caused by statements like “I don’t recognise another person’s right to determine what pronouns I use to address them” - Petersonkingsteven
- I was going to write "perceived rights" but really I don't think it's right to suggest that they're entirely fictional. ie. better to criticise the system thankingsteven
- folks enveloped in this or that doctrine because 'biology sez'kingsteven
- I'm not sensing where you come down on the issue, King, but it's nobody's right to compel the way someone expresses their perception, minority or not.cannonball1978
- its always good to have debates. These corruptions are not just in uni's, drug companies and dietary as wellmugwart
- "irregardless"imbecile
- ^ hah im not writing an academic paperkingsteven
- reminds me a of a bit by george lopezimbecile
- BonSeff2
You should visit the Jordan Peterson Memorial Statue
- lolfadein11
- lol!Salarrue
- Ha ha. Where is that? You know, asking for a friend.Morning_star
- yuekit1
Long form discussion is good but I don't find a lot of the ideas to be genuinely interesting or challenging. A lot of it amounts to knee-jerk anti-leftism.
It is interesting to see how the new atheism movement (represented by Sam Harris) sort of evolved into an anti-feminist movement and now is essentially just embracing the tenants of social conservatism.
If you follow all of Peterson's recommendations your outcome in life is basically to become a conservative dad who votes Republican and goes to church every week.
- yuppr2
- Agreed, except for Harris - I find he has a rational stance on certain topics, and am somewhat of a fan. And really get into his discussions on AI.inteliboy
- I am interested if there are any counter arguments or other speakers/podcasts/ta... we should be listening to?inteliboy
- Yeah Sam Harris is probably the best out of all of them but I don't get the affinity he has for people like Peterson, Ben Shapiro or Dave Rubin.yuekit
- i read peterson's new book and i shit you not, there's a scripture passage every other pagescarabin_net
- that said, he has a lot of really interesting and well-thought-out things to sayscarabin_net
- mg330
Semi-related, but I read this article "Alt-Right Troll To Father Killer: The Unraveling of Lane Davis" on the train this morning and was pretty riveted by it. Some of you are mentioning SJW and I never knew what that stood for until I read this article.
- Also, if someone can explain to me how the right embraced Milo Y, I'd love to hear it.mg33
- Because Bannon gave him a job at Breitbart to write the kind of stuff they like for cash.Fax_Benson
- because he trolls feminists and anyone with a liberal stance.inteliboy
- Because he's an Uncle Tom selling out the gays for a pat on the head from people who'd put him in a camp if they could.i_monk
- So true monk_niko
- Morning_star0
As requested :-)
The idea that an alternative question lead forum of experts and thinkers from business, culture, and politics isn’t bad. There are broad criticisms of the WEF and it’s annual proposed solutions. Particularly this years ‘unfounded’ and ‘alarmist’ solutions for climate change. It fails to adequately address the impacts of climate change solutions on the poor. The WEF is also facing further criticism for it’s focus on ESG initiatives particularly the negative effect on inflation due to governments spending on social programmes, subsidies and renewable energy.
Philanthropists like Bill Gates have also expressed concern for the poor and developing countries because of their inability to break away from carbon negative energy sources due to cost. His particular solution is to invest heavily in cleaning up and innovating short term solutions for electricity grids and delivery of liquid fuels. This would bring an interim positive effect on climate change and give us the room to discover, innovate and produce viable long-term solutions. This forum would be a good alternative to the WEF and a great place to discuss and discover answers to the inherent problems a global problem such as Climate Change contains, as a ‘one size’ solution will not fit all.
I have my doubts that JP will be able to pull this off, I tend to agree with Yuekit in that he is too much of a polarising figure to create something that is a true alternative to the WEF. People will tend to see this as another of JPs personal crusades rather than a potential alternative platform for finding solutions to global issues. From what I have seen and heard JPs motivation is for good. Whether it’s personal, community, country or global I think he is genuinely striving to improve lives. However, his ability to attract huge audiences is both a strength and weakness in this situation.
- Thanks : )palimpsest
- So it's a shitty idea, yeah?palimpsest
- No, the idea is sound but the execution will fail. Anyway, what did Leary say?Morning_star
- https://www.youtube.…palimpsest
- He hasn't executed it yet, if you think the execution will fail you must not think highly of the idea.palimpsest
- @Morning_star Petersen should hire you as his PR writer, the explanations you give are always much more reasonable sounding :)yuekit
- But then go back and look at the source material and he's saying all these nutty things. For instance dabbling in climate denial and so on.yuekit
- Trading one particular set of elites for another.IRNlun6
- In my experience it's climate scientists who were always the most vocal in demanding action on climate change, with government and businessyuekit
- only slowly and reluctantly going along with it. Most scientists don't see the current climate policies as alarmist, if anything it's too little too late.yuekit
- @palimpsest The execution will fail because JP is the figurehead. Most people won't be able get over that, however credible it is.Morning_star
- Fair enough.palimpsest
- Also...this Leary https://youtu.be/28j…Morning_star
- @yuekit...An observation: JP is prone to going on for hours, out of context quotes can and do make him sound like a lunatic. This bytesize approach to...Morning_star
- ..consuming his opinion doesn't reflect accurately the totality of his ideas. Coupled with the mostly negative journalistic responses don't do him any favours.Morning_star
- @yuekit...Just to clarify the 'alarmist' label was only focussed on the WEF annual statement, not a general accusationMorning_star
- Yes but the basic premise that the WEF is pushing unfounded environmental policies that go too far...I just don't think this is true.yuekit
- I also don't think they are imposing "one size fits all" policies. In reality this is a very difficult problem people are trying to solve.yuekit
- The criticisms i site are valid and consistent with climate scientists. You've hit the nail on the head because it is a very difficult problem to solve and...Morning_star
- ...one that can't be solved by businessmen chatting for a week in Switzerland.Morning_star
- It's almost trolling for Peterson to suggest that he has the answers. The irony is if some alternative group to the WEF actually made a serious attempt at this,yuekit
- they'd probably quickly discover that most of their original criticisms were misguided and made from 10,000 foot vantage point.yuekit
- Maybe an alternative 'something' is better than nothing. Who knows? If it does happen the test will be the quality of it's output.Morning_star
- Except that alternative will fail and we're back to square one.palimpsest
- drgs0
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Jo…
"Peterson has gained something of a following for his how to live your life guidance, which mostly consists of obvious common sense, ideas recycled from the Stoics, and some fairly crummy advice. Despite promoting personal responsibility above all and telling others how to live well, he went on to abandon his very sick wife for a while to go to Russia to do a dangerous experimental medical procedure where he would get over his drug addiction by an induced coma, thereby avoiding the discomfort of withdrawal and waking up with the problem that was much more easily solved with less personal work to do. Clearly, this must tick all the boxes in his principles of personal responsibility and "How To Live Your Life To The Fullest", because he hasn't seemed to lose that many fans/readers. This perhaps says something about his fans."Other than that Peterson is passionate about free speech, I don't really know what his teachings are about, and if he has anything to teach at all. His cult following is somewhere between Beatlemania and self help books.
Half of what he's saying you can immediately agree with, the other half is added for marketing purposes, whichever topic is trending at the moment -- he has opinions on absolutely everything.
- He is an absolute incel championBonSeff
- That website is funded by Bill Gates.palimpsest
- "Basically the material presented on RW is what a slightly left of centre atheist needs to win an internet debate."Morning_star
- Yeah, he served more as a bell weather for crazy progressive anti-free speech policies.IRNlun6
- yuekit-1
Peter Jordanson is back to tell you why the war in Ukraine happened...turns out it was because of wokeness and transgenders. Discuss...
- This actually starts off more reasonable than I expected, Peterson talks about geopolitics, the oil market..yuekit
- But then by about 10 minutes in he's ranting about Biden picking a black woman for the Supreme Court as if this somehow relates to Ukraine.yuekit
- The idea that Putin is a sincere Christian and that Russia is standing up for traditional moral values seems extremely dubious to say the least.yuekit
- @yeukit Your focus on two out of context points is not particularly charitable. He merely questions whether rejecting 18 out of 20 potential candidates to...Morning_star
- ...ensure a Black Female is the best thing for the country.Morning_star
- Give me some credit, I actually did listen to most of the video lol. His main point is that Russia is waging a war against the morally degenerate West.yuekit
- I think his main point is that Putin is not Russia and whatever the west does now to Putin will have lasting consequences.Morning_star
- The video is called "Civil War in the West", and yeah he seem to be saying it's a war of traditional values (represented by Putin's Russia) against wokeness.yuekit
- Internet Rule #4: Though shalt always construct a title with maximum emotional response and minimum factual relevance.Morning_star
- He's such a benzo faggotbabydick_
- Russia is such a role model with its authoritarian faggy ass shit. You need to be super retarded to say anything good about that fucking cancer of a countrybabydick_
- BabyDick, If you replaced Russia with USA in your post it's still entirely true. Good job.Morning_star
- I actually can say a few nice things about USA, so fuck offbabydick_
- Unlikely.Morning_star
- I'd know which country I'd want to live ininteliboy
- By choice? neither?Ianbolton
- PhanLo2
Alex is coming for Ben. It's going down.- pissed off alex is the best alex :)renderedred
- So.. a heavyweight bout between blowhard morons? The thumbnail is as informative as the content, I'm sure. Pass.garbage
- PhanLo0
- yeah illness is really funnyinteliboy
- Should have just followed the rules. But you can't get the golden fleece without a great adventure.PhanLo
- looking forward to the sequel "rules for comedowns"kingsteven
- He's back on the horse again. https://twitter.com/…PhanLo
- How do we upvote someone nearly dying? What a strange bunch of peopleIanbolton
- the duality of his message and the circumstances by which he nearly died (and not the fact he nearly died) are funny.kingsteven
- because contradiction is the basis of what humans call humor. a man writes a book about how to live, and soon after nearly dies.kingsteven
- https://i.imgur.com/…kingsteven
- BonSeff2
- DAIRY QUEEN IS AN ENERGY VACUUM REPLETE WITH CHAOSBonSeff
- oh good, now it's clear what the king stands for :)renderedred
- oey1
you guys need more focault...
- focault you! ya bastardGnash
- LOL!oey
- I feel like I’m introducing you to an old friend, as I’m writing this post about this fabulous, easy focaccia bread.soundofreason
- https://thecafesucre…soundofreason
- LOL!oey
- Jeremyhead2
how about this dude?
https://www.corbettreport.com/bi…- careful on thereFax_Benson
- he's great!mugwart
- gateway drugFax_Benson
- ^ what makes you righteous (not meant to come across as aggressive)mugwart
- don't have a clue, really. I know that if you buy into it it's difficult to come back.Fax_Benson
- not specifically that article but alt news in general.Fax_Benson
- I hear you but what is "alt" when we have been lied to for so long (BBC child rings spring to mind). This guy is good, he posts his sources. He not in fear pornmugwart
