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  • whatthefunk18

    • <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<_niko
    • You guys are idiots. They are protesting that the govt can't violate their rights you FKN commisHayoth
    • interesting timesR_Kercz
    • "Mass protests" is hyperbole.nb
    • Hayoth, ladies and gentlemen. A round of applause for the man whose only brain cell is covered in foot fungus.Continuity
    • Hayoth, that’s what racist cunts say about the civil war and the confederate flag. Just states rights and nothing to do with slavery. You’re a deplorable moron.monospaced
    • "They are protesting that the govt can't violate their rights."
      So they want their rights violated?
      deadsperm
    • Our village idiot has spoken...A parrot has larger vocabulary that Hayoth.utopian
    • hayoth I have the right to be safe from covid infected rednecks. I'm glad the government is applying proper health guidelines to fix this.zarkonite
    • Go join your Trumptards and protest, catch COVID-19 while you are out protesting you fucking moran.utopian
    • LOL @ moran!
      So you guy disagree with Hayoth huh?
      Projectile
    • I still can't get my head around why Hayoth has so much hate for commis chefs.Nairn
    • It’s the dumb people who just want haircuts.kingregis
    • LOL NairnContinuity
    • haha, nairn, exactly - been wondering if he actually means junior kitchen staff for weeks.Fax_Benson
    • meheheh idiots.. pure idiots. like trumpo loco.neverscared
    • iam sure he can´t even name all states, that retarted cheerleader.neverscared
    • lol at 'ruling class'. don't blame your lack of desire to improve your life on a mythical creature. stand in line for yo' check yo!hotroddy
    • “the right to go out and die” its this kind of hyperbole and distorted rhetoric that makes discussions difficult.cannonball1978
    • How can Americans still keep dreaming that their freedom makes them the greatest country on the planet?Ianbolton
    • I get that people are worried and fearful, most won't have any savings and really need to work. It probably isn't the best way to go about doing that though.PhanLo
    • because it's written in their DNA as much as centuries of monarchical control is written in your DNAhotroddy
    • that 'freedom' is what's allowed it to evolve into the most inventing and imaginative society in historyhotroddy
    • it's not lack of desire, it's dumb luck. for every millionaire and billionaire out there there are thousands of people who are smarter, work harder, have more.._niko
    • ..desire but the stars just don't align. Actually correct that, most rich cunts like your supreme grand wizard ruler inherited their money._niko
    • There's no monarchial control written into my DNA.PhanLo
    • The most inventing society? Really?PhanLo
    • is there any doubt? look around you!hotroddy
    • Standing on the shoulders of giants.PhanLo
    • no, that would be Newton. But Europe experienced ITS own renaissance after 'FREEING' itself from religion. Gov't and religion similar form of social controlhotroddy
    • when is the US going to free itself from religion and enter the age of enlightenment?_niko
    • well isnt this a logical fallacy shit russian post. no need to demand shit when provided, but another to want to work because they believe theydeathboy
    • can do better than government handouts for themselves even if a few get richer. maybe its more like thatdeathboy
    • 'FREEING' itself from religion, you're having a giraffe.PhanLo
    • "the most inventing and imaginative society in history" is the internet.R_Kercz
    • Define a logical fallacy, and how it applies to this post, deathboy. Please. Then follow up with how it's a "shit russian post."monospaced
    • When you try and fail, go ahead and call yourself a moron for me, because I can't keep up with how fucking stupid you shit all over this website.monospaced
    • Are you even a creative? Why are you even on QBN you silly, confused, ignorant cunt?monospaced
  • whatthefunk21

    • < thissted
    • yupmoldero
    • This dude, albeit little is fantastic.ideaist
    • The current system died in 2008. Control of the media kept the zombie going. 2020 may have just crushed the brain stem.monoboy
    • Close the tax havens and start again.monoboy
    • Bring back socially democracy and responsible capitalism.monoboy
    • Nepotistic neo-liberal corporatism needs to go.monoboy
    • Or summit...monoboy
    • Another thing that's got to go:
      'Corporations are citizens, too!'
      They fucking are not.
      Continuity
    • man this site is getting nutty, no wonder everyone is leavingjaylarson
    • Free hugs needs to go!sted
    • but Capitalism...right deathboyutopian
    • Bailouts for corporations get payed back (in theory). Bailouts for humans don't.inteliboy
    • https://www.npr.org/…PonyBoy
    • Well said corps are so over leveraged they will fail because no lending can save them. But enter Central banks and gov interests. Can't let China pboc by boeingdeathboy
    • In firesale. Fundamentally bailouts are wrong. But everything today shows how little real capitalism is involved utopian. Actually looks quite like socialismdeathboy
    • Or call it corporate socialism or gov employee socialism with pensions and what not. How can free trade be real when Central banks and leverage contril it alldeathboy
    • And the big failure in the post is what's is the difference between people and a Corp... Corp isnt a thing. But it's shareholders who are "people " are a thingdeathboy
    • So what we have here is a argument of what ppl I think should be bailed out. Which I'd love to see the criteria for. But whatthefunk likes prop piecesdeathboy
    • He has never been on the habit of being anything more than the level of a unkranian click farm trolldeathboy
    • Even curious where he thinks capital would come from since it's a mad rush to liquid capital. Be no e if Central banks didn't bail outdeathboy
    • And let's not ignore his cards. What is his Investment? Did he short it all and scared of a bailout?deathboy
    • makes toaly sense.neverscared
    • Jesus fucking Christ, reading these side notes gives me a headache.Continuity
    • 'Busty House Floozie Acquires Banged from Able 50-Pounder in Her Anal' makes more structural sense than what I've been reading.Continuity
    • A heads he because u can't follow? Even typos someone with some sense of it gets it. Or is it above your pay gradedeathboy
  • colin_s12

    i'm pretty sure most people on this board remember "the good internet" - the newstoday days when everything online seemed wonderful - instead of the drag it is now. what happened? capitalism.

    i was thinking about this while listening to the radio yesterday (yes i do this) and the DJ ended their on-air segment trying to sell something or other, and my brain just cringed. every single communication in America seems transactional at this point.

    the internet, back in those early years, though shopping was an aspect of it, it was largely everything BUT capitalism. it was creative, free-for-all, experimental, engaging ... now it's been driven to the dirt by monetizing everything from clicks to forums to podcasts to user pages etc.

    the internet sucks and that should be all the examples we need that capitalism has overstayed its welcome: in a single generation this marvelous opportunity for democracy and humanity in general has been turned into a shopping mall where humans themselves are as much a resource as anything else. and for what? memes?

    • Even worse when you add in cellular data and geo targeting. Only going to get worse.
      *shakes fist, IT AINT NATURAL
      BonSeff
    • it's an evolution. at the start someone needed to invent how to make money with it, once proved it could be made, the investors pumped money in ituan
    • then they protected their interests with corporatism. now society is seeing the negative effects and are testing different strategies to make it work better.uan
    • it's in development still, has always been, next 10 years will show if we get better at using it and might even feel like the first humanist vibe it can has.uan
    • USA does seem to be super selling all the time society.shapesalad
    • I think the problem here may be more of a question of getting rid of the bad Internets and keeping the good Internets.sted
    • that sentence has all the meme u need.sted
    • agreed, but it is quite a cynical view. the internet is still amazing.inteliboy
    • I'd also say the death of the internet we loved was because of narcissism.inteliboy
    • I'm still recoiling from the idea that people take duckface selfies, post them to show the world how great they are, and call themselves 'influencers'inteliboy
    • It's far more repulsive and destructive than websites and content creators figuring out how to make ad revenue.inteliboy
    • Nostalgic nonsense.hotroddy
    • @colin_s what should catalyze the evolution: war or consumption?sted
    • i'm fine with consumption:access to content whatever it is, jokes, products, friends, qbn, access to work and sale on global scale isn't a bad thing.sted
    • all of this made possible by generations of engineers and developers on a network what has underground, ground and near-earth level infrastructure.sted
    • @inteliboy in the past decade how many people got connected and addicted in the same way when you first opened the internet we loved? :Dsted
    • not sure capitalism is at fault in anyway. trading value for value vs what alternative? Being told and given only what you can have. Has the freedom of capitalideathboy
    • sm or that it provides been abused and let to rampant consumerism. Like blaming alcohol sales for alcoholism.deathboy
    • and i think advertising and media reinforce a cultural value system of where shit floats to the top and trends.... so much more than blame capitalism meme...deathboy
    • why cringe if someone is trying to sell you something? are people not allowed to earn a living? or should they wait on a government check instead?hotroddy
    • as far as death to the internet goes. 1) iphone and movement to make mobile replacement for desktop. 2) business capitalizing on new niche and selling the ideadeathboy
    • 3) ppl adopting mobile first platform 4) while this all happened social networks reinforced mobile and hooked users with dopamine filled thumbs upsdeathboy
    • 5) everyone under the same platform and human laziness of following and being spoonfed what pleases them decreases exploration and desire to produce outsidedeathboy
    • the social networks, instead forcing to integrate and conform for the same dopamine rewards and values of said networks.deathboy
    • 6) soon develop a boring closed loop system of conformity and control, where everything is derivative and fake. where everyone is scared to develop outside masdeathboy
    • s appeal or standards and you get this watered down lowest common denominator stuff. that you can hardly be excited about or dislike. its just enough likedeathboy
    • to be like ok like the marvel film formula, and by being the only thing creates its own inflated ok lets feel good about this feedback loop.deathboy
    • you see it in gold addys wordpress themes, like well something needs to win. Judges not knowing how to choose one from the next. Accept believing their owndeathboy
    • authority in such things push it all forward and helps reinforce the systemsdeathboy
    • accessibility... its like forcing everyone to have a wheel chair ramp to everything. of course it will look like all the same shit. the more freedom youdeathboy
    • can expect better stuff, more range and expression. hard for web to grow in a cage.deathboy
    • that´s to dramatic - it became commercial more useful, but also the creative outflow is magnified, when i think of tutorials -communities - communications.neverscared
    • Just like this place, nothing better to talk to someone IRLi_was
    • 6) soon develop a boring closed loop system of conformity and control

      That's clearly QBN
      i_was
    • it's all 'cause Jobs killed Flashformed
    • All good things come to a trend.Bluejam
    • Welcome to QBN AOC. Another brilliant argument you are making. Please stop unleashing your mind bendingHayoth
    • Brilliance on us. It's hard to keep up with your top level genius skills.Hayoth
    • @hayoth I blame fascicommusocialismfadein11
    • @intelliboy influencers and that lot are all products of capitalism - doing anything to acquire power / profit from the consumer lifestylecolin_s
    • still a huge amount of stuff in the old spirit, it's just slightly harder to find. This is a the natural progression of any media unfort.fadein11
    • Let's go back to BBS!robotron3k
    • w/out capitalism we wouldn't have nearly the advancement in technology we've had these last 100+ years—but yeah—shit all over it cuz your bored of the web :-/PonyBoy
    • *you'rePonyBoy
    • without the version of capitalism we now have, all that technological advancement would likely be much more technologically advanced.MrT
    • Prove that MrT.PonyBoy
    • Not sure I would agree that the internet as it exists today is 100% capitalism. Most of the big sites like Reddit or YouTube are free to use and and basedyuekit
    • around either user-generated content or reposting commercial content without regard to copyright. Sure they try to monetize using ads but neither ofyuekit
    • those sites are profitable yet. It's a weird mix of capitalism and free sharing/open source, maybe evolving towards something else in the future.yuekit
    • its just free because you pay with all your data like what you see what you do on youtube or facebook... sites would not be profitable without it.api
    • ukit of course internet isnt 100% capitalistic, but your examples paint 100% its trading value for value nature. you just might overlook values as monetary gaindeathboy
    • the argument want for your view with internet is based on the infrastructure, ma bell, same as utilities. as far as companies go that operate on the webdeathboy
    • that is more about rules and regulations of investments, and ability to acquire capital at losses in loose monetary policy or through passive investments ofdeathboy
    • of fools. You should read Huxleys Island. All value isnt about money, however its hard to develop a free society that trades in value outside something as moneydeathboy
    • money has liquidity. and all value needs liquidity in ability to trade value for value in dynamic rangedeathboy
  • Bluejam20

    • QBN evil rises to the surfaceHayoth
    • You can do both, get rid of the pensioners, use money elsewheredrgs
    • You're more than welcome to take yourself elsewhere to not be exposed to QBN's elitist evil, Hayoth. Maybe Stormfront would be more to your liking?Continuity
    • I really feel sorry for his mother. Every time poor baby Hayoth gets triggered and has a tantrum, she probably has to ...Continuity
    • ... lock the door to his bedroom in the basement from the outside, just to get some peace and quiet.Continuity
    • @hayoth that's all you got? 2/11renderedred
    • money is becoming worthless as more is printed, what important is local community and what we can do for each other.shapesalad
    • instead of one farmer with a giant farm, we went back to multiple small scale farms, then we'd have enough farmers to barter with, as they would needshapesalad
    • the goods and services those without land can provide, the dentists, doctors, leather worker, ceramist, undertaker etc.shapesalad
    • the problem with mass farming, is one farmer only needs so many goods, and so we need money to store the value of his crops.shapesalad
    • Who's is your daddy Hayoth and what does he do?utopian
    • You sure you don't smoke weed, shapesalad? Did you fall into a vat of the stuff, like Obelix, as a child and come to ever resent its effect on you?Nairn
    • lolsted
    • Only simpletons subscribe to concepts of evil.monospaced
  • imbecile13

    • He's not wrong.Continuity
    • This is actually more accurate
      https://unherd.com/2…
      Hayoth
    • Nobody thinks it’s been China’s plan all along, thoughGnash
    • Nothing new here...i_was
    • @Gnash, sure they do. "Make it in the US" crap but then hey'll whine about paying $3k for an iphone and stocks tanking.formed
    • That’s not the same thing, formedGnash
    • Offshoring manufacturing and other operations is not just done in America and it develops countries.cannonball1978
    • Trump and the Repuplitards also blame China for all the pollution. We also outsourced all of our pollution to them with the manufacturing plants.utopian
    • remind me again which political party was responsible to outsourcing manufacturing to China in the 90's? and which political party wants to increase tariffs?hotroddy
    • remind me what those tariffs, or any policy foreign policy for that matter (for this admin), has accomplishedformed
    • subject matter doesn't lend well for 27 character limit.hotroddy
  • imbecile14

    • They also probably lost that much leading up to it, but it’s not liquid anyway, and it’s people with good money sense all over the world making money_niko
    • Don't be an apologist for billionaires, niko. This isn't 'people with good money sense' it's people who made more on Jan 2nd than you will your entire life.i_monk
    • Resistance is futile. Trump wins 2nd termdrgs
    • "it’s people with good money sense all over the world making money"
      lol, I thought this place was elevated.
      i_was
    • waiting for the trickle.fadein11
    • Bernie came 1st place here: https://freebeacon.c…BustySaintClaire
    • My point is that anybody with an investment account could make money during this time, Amazon, Netflix, zoom, etc, even the smallest investors_niko
    • So why wouldn’t billionaires do the same? And now again billionaires will probably make tons of money on discount stocks as they come back to normal_niko
    • As should the rest of us. It’s not rocket science. It is what it is, what do you suggest they or we do? Sit back and let Chinese investors make money instead?_niko
    • I don’t think sanders is talking about government handouts here is he? He’s not suggesting they made that money from bailouts and the poor got screwed?_niko
    • Also I don’t disagree with the sentiment, there should definitely be some kind of parity, close loopholes, raise taxes let everyone benefit_niko
    • there are 520 billionaires in the US with a combined net worth of 2.4 trillion, so they increased their wealth by 10% if my shitty math is right?_niko
    • there are also 18.6 million! millionaires in the US so if they also increased their wealth by 10% it's a way larger number than what the billionaires made,_niko
    • Sanders being one of them._niko
    • wow ! lol, anyone read ?i_was
    • Are you referring to what I wrote? Did you read? Care to retort? And what specifically do you think isn’t accurate?_niko
    • Like I said it’s shitty that there isn’t a better system in place so the wealth could be distributed better, even ubi, but people making money isn’t wrong._niko
    • Don't be thick.i_monk
    • you're the thick one if you don't get my point. or maybe i'm not articulating it well.
      so what's your fucking point?
      _niko
    • "it’s people with good money sense all over the world making money" meaning not just billionaires, and not just Americans, everyone, me, you, whoever._niko
    • Yea fuck billionaires just give me Bernie media skim on donationsdeathboy
    • You're completely missing the point by reframing this as 'smart people making money' when it's about the absurdly disproportionate amount of moneyi_monk
    • in the hands of a superminority, and growing while millions are out of work.i_monk
  • kingsteven15

    • lol. The cubans and venezuelans are the ones burning woodsticks for fuel. the peasants in the USA are driving a 2019 ford focus.hotroddy
    • https://i.ibb.co/c2k…pango
    • how about forget all the ism and just take care of people?pango
    • https://i.imgur.com/…kingsteven
    • https://is.gd/NxA1Kv…kingsteven
    • < the original of this cartoon is much better tbf, feel bad for modifying it.kingsteven
    • norway.. a country that wouldn't exist today without the USAhotroddy
    • the soviets liberated Norway you fucking spoon.kingsteven
    • and eventually become part of the USSRhotroddy
    • or part of the iron curtainhotroddy
    • !!!kingsteven
    • norway is high on the oil hog with little industry. however there best investments have been in the US tech stocks.deathboy
    • see how long it last. without much diversity they are really susceptible to changedeathboy
    • remember the great butter crisisdeathboy
    • Sweden, Denmark, Finland, Norway all have comparable life standards. What part does oil play in the economies of Denmark and Sweden. Nonedrgs
    • Without oil Norway would be slightly worse off, but still on par with the rest of the Nordics, which are arguably the spearhead of the whole first worlddrgs
    • Anyway, socialism works well among like-minded or in groups with shared identity. This is a requirement. US is a pirate wharf of random immigrants, fuck emdrgs
    • in other words socialism works within a single like minded tribe with plentiful assets. sweden, denmark, finland wealth was created from somethingdeathboy
    • wasn't created on how much it could divide. have their current social systems created growth and even more prosperity? or more dwindling inheritance?deathboy
    • for such a diverse nations of pirate wharfs to dominate and elevate the entire human species but not give free healthcare... which is better?deathboy
    • what are the large achievements of nordic countries industries in the last 40 years vs freer economic systems?deathboy
    • but i do agree socialism works like within an ant colony of drones. I don't see humans as drones, despite social conditioningdeathboy
    • biology is so far different and the short sightedness of leaders thinking or trying to control us through media and stimuli will always faildeathboy
    • china is a far better examples of success than nordic countries in the model, but success is finite with age, as we even see in nordic countries.deathboy
    • its failing system that sucks in resources and brings larger groups down, but think of it as a season and from its ashes more free trade will spring updeathboy
    • Not socialism though. Jeezfadein11
    • ya... china is not exactly socialism any more. whatever they are...pango
    • china is what the future is going to look like:
      1 political party that manages a capitalist model in the name of socialism
      hotroddy
    • coin a new term for china's new exact ism pango. I have no definition to define its exact changing nature. it highly collective and anti individualdeathboy
    • but really want to try and wring any gains it can from individuals in free markets. socialism, fscism, communism of the popular three collective politcial typedeathboy
    • are only slightly different in directions but methods all the same. Collective control for a small minorities selfish goals. ppl are merely players on a boarddeathboy
  • drgs10

    Higher minimum wages in socialist countries --> Higher labor costs for companies --> Forced to replace workers/adopt new technology, giving them an edge over time --> US an A falls behind

    • Car parks full of people working two jobs and living in their car says different. Innovation never sleeps.PhanLo
    • very goodrenderedred
    • unrelated, but same guy btw:
      https://www.youtube.…
      drgs
    • socio-communism doesn't even work 'in theory'
      https://www.goldmone…
      BustySaintClaire
    • deathboy is about to lose his lunch.utopian
    • funny venezuela and cuba are not listed as 'socialist'. Only countries with white monolithic populations.hotroddy
    • also countries where you have to develop are hard work ethic or you freeze to death.hotroddy
    • In this case socialism has been made possible by technology. The same would not have worked, say, 100 years agodrgs
    • Similarly, communism is not only possible, but inevitable, when robots/AI steal all our jobs. But thats another 100 years into the future.drgs
    • @hotroddy Yes, no mention of the USA's long history of interference and attempting to disrupt the govs of Cuba, Venezuela and other Central American countries.garbage
    • But white people learned to work hard because it was cold? You're rocking some rare idiocy. I don't know why I bother.garbage
    • garbage don't start with your anti-imperialist playbook. USA built venezuela to become the richest country in South America.hotroddy
    • if making the simple correlation that people in colder climates work harder than you clearly need to start traveling and broadening your horizons.hotroddy
    • your handle is garbage so I don't hold much hope for you.hotroddy
    • *thenmonospaced
    • And you ride a high horse named "hotroddy". I don't know which is the dumber thing you've said in this thread:garbage
    • "Cold makes people work harder" or "America built Venezuela to become the richest country in South America".garbage
    • I'm sure you'll come up with something even better that tops your dumb, racist rant about smoke signals. Can't wait.garbage
    • Fact venezuela was richest country in south america. Fact: USA invenstments in venezuela accounted for 80% of it's industrial and manufacturing.hotroddy
    • Fact garbage is needs to apply for a passport and learn to use it.hotroddy
    • fact: it's easier for garbage to insult me than to use arguments as a form of rebuttal.hotroddy
    • i would like to know more on how the usa built venezuela to be the richest country.dorf
    • Venezuela became an important supplier of oil to the US after discovery of oil in Venezuela.hotroddy
    • American multinationals (along with many other foreign multinationals) invested in Venezuela's economy.hotroddy
    • Thus expanding venezuela's economy beyond an agricultural based economy.hotroddy
    • and transforming Venezuela from a banana republic into south america's richest countryhotroddy
    • and today these companies don't exist after chavez expropriated them and thought he could run them himself.hotroddy
    • actually they were run by people like gargbage - well versed on anti-yankee rethoric to run it.hotroddy
    • and zero business management knowledge.hotroddy
    • Thanks for the obvious history lesson. The suggestion that I need a passport (have one) in order to learn about the South America..garbage
    • ..is pretty fucking rich coming from someone who claims to be from Venezuela, yet is ignorant of the decades of US interference with their government.garbage
    • But you did teach me that being cold makes me work harder, so I'm going to leave my windows open tonight. Thanks for the tip.garbage
    • i think there is no hope for you my friend.hotroddy
    • natural selection skipped you and your kinhotroddy
    • zzzzzz.PhanLo
    • https://static.apest…monospaced
    • That's totally false, fucking idiot.i_was
    • Venezuela has even more fuel than the USSR, but why it doesn't work ? because they're fucking idiots too !i_was
    • thanks for proving my point. At one American oil refineries in venezuela were processing more than 3 million barrels a day (shell 1.5 mill & exon 2 million).hotroddy
    • today venezuelan state owned company produces less than 500 thousands a day and falling thanks to the garbage that works there now.hotroddy
    • and american oil companies hired venezuelan engineers who excelled and did well. but they were all fired once Chavez took over.hotroddy
    • I mean, if you really want to go there, the driving force behind the production decrease is wave upon wave of US-imposed sanctions on Venezuela.garbage
    • They are trying to destabilize and oust Maduro. Trump has even mused about military intervention.garbage
    • https://worldview.st…garbage
    • There's a link. Be careful though, it those things called "facts" that you seem so scared of.garbage
    • Did you read the article? oil sanctions began 1 year ago. oil production had already fallen to historic lows before thenhotroddy
    • the article even states that production system was plagued by widespread structural problems, poor maintenance etc.hotroddy
    • the article states that the only source of income was oil. the gov't didn't give a shit about the economy and was happy to rely on oil as it's only income.hotroddy
    • for last 20 years the gov't primary source of revenue was AMERICAN $$$$. And they still mismanaged the biggest oil boom the countries ever seen.hotroddy
    • The US banked rolled their incompetence.hotroddy
    • You're honestly too stupid to get it, aren't you? That's textbook imperialism fueled by capitalism. I don't know if you're willfully idiotic, or just a natural.garbage
    • dude use that passport do some traveling. you'll likely bump into one of the 6 millions venezuelan that had to immigrate due to the crisis.hotroddy
    • research 'grupo de lima' so venezuelans don't look at you like a dumb brainwashed american who hates his countryhotroddy
    • and through sheer ignorance and stupidity you end up siding with the russians and Chinese when discussing international politicshotroddy
    • https://www.youtube.…BustySaintClaire
    • That's a seriously baffling conclusion to make. Have fun being stupid. Remember, the crayons are for drawing, not eating.garbage
    • Your special ed teachers keep reminding you of that eh?hotroddy
    • i'm just thankful there aren't many idiots like you around or we'd be experiencing a similar crisis in the USAhotroddy
    • Whines about personal attacks over facts. Facts are given, and you are obviously incapable of comprehending them. You get mad and resort to personal attacks.garbage
    • This has been a very boring wallow in some very dumb mud with a very blind pig.garbage
    • lol. the facts that stated my case? that oil production started falling after 2010 due to mismanagement and poor maintenance?hotroddy
    • the fact the USA was the ONLY country paying full price for venezuelan crude? that the only source of income were American dollars?hotroddy
    • that western nations in south america, north america, and EU all unilaterally imposed economic sanctions as a last resort to remedy the crisis?hotroddy
    • or the fact you hate yourself, hate your country and misrepresent american foreign policy for your own ideological convictionshotroddy
    • I'm insulting you bc you’re not willing to take the time to really understand our politics and check the sources of your informationhotroddy
    • you’re not allowed to cut our story into something that fits your narrative.hotroddy
    • If you’re going to talk about imperialism and Western meddling, how about taking a long look in the mirror and see who’s really crafting a far-fetched narrativehotroddy
    • for political gainhotroddy
    • Fart.garbage
  • Gnash7

    highlights the difference between a millionaire and a billionaire

    1 million seconds = 12 days
    1 billion seconds = 32 years

    • ya'll can't visualize the difference between a 1 and a 1,000?Milan
    • Time...things we take for granted most daysutopian
    • what does this mean? millionaire worked for 12days and billionaire for 32 years to get there?uan
    • I got a serious question here. In South America I was taught 1 billion is equal to 1 million million: 1.000.000.000. How is this in european countries / usa?maquito
    • Correction: it’s 12 zeros. 1 billion: 1.000.000.000.000maquito
    • I believe in the usa, 1 billion equals 1 thousand million. It’s quite confusing imo.maquito
    • 1700 Millionaires are made everyday in the U.S.teh
    • 2136 Americans file for bankruptcy everyday in the U.S.utopian
    • we all start as multi-billionaires sad that we can't resist to exchange these seconds for money :(sted
    • Crazy. Maquito wiki says we all used to refer to a billion as one million millions but that it changed.HijoDMaite
    • maquito is right, million millions. that's the "old" way it seems.renderedred
    • "1,000,000,000 is the natural number following 999,999,999 and preceding 1,000,000,001." wikipediagrafician
    • always use the US billion to talk about money (1000 million) even though it is totally fucking wrong.kingsteven
    • It’s not wrong walker.monospaced
    • mono, it literally means 1 million million. the bi- prefix means it's the second power of one million. the US billion was only adopted in the UK in the 70'skingsteven
    • I like that comparison. Nice.Hayzilla
    • exactly, it's not "totally fucking wrong" and hasn't been for almost have a century, but OKAYmonospaced
    • I guess there are some old timers who still use the wrong (million million) version, but they're obscure in the UK only. :)monospaced
  • Beeswax10

    • Yup. Sad times.NBQ00
    • https://youtu.be/IIq…monoboy
    • “Why not buy everything?”monoboy
    • fuck him.sted
    • yupfadein11
    • Walmart stock is at a record high? I'm skeptical.nb
    • Walmart's stock is at a 30-year high. It peaked Feb 10th, dipped, peaked March 10th, dipped , hit record high March 18th, then dipped March 20th.Khurram
    • Still at ~$120/share, compared to~$100/share this time last year, ~$80/share March 2015, ~$55/share March 2010, ~$25/share March 1997 and $5.50/share March 1990Khurram
    • So yep, record highs. This checks out. BUY BUY BUY BUY!!! $$$$$$$Khurram
    • Economy of Scale just never seems to trend out of fashionBustySaintClaire
    • Fuck everyone, it's all about the bottom line. USA #1utopian
  • utopian3

    The wealth of America's three richest families grew by 6,000% since 1982

    The three wealthiest US families are the Waltons of Walmart, the Mars candy family and the Koch brothers, heirs to the country’s second largest private company, the energy conglomerate Koch Industries. These are all enterprises built by the grandparents and parents of today’s wealthy heirs and heiresses.

    These three families own a combined fortune of $348.7bn, which is 4m times the median wealth of a US family.

    Since 1982, these three families have seen their wealth increase nearly 6,000%, factoring in inflation. Meanwhile, the median household wealth went down 3% over the same period.

    The dynastic wealth of the Walton family grew from $690m in 1982 (or $1.81bn in 2018 dollars) to $169.7bn in 2018, a mind-numbing increase of more than 9,000%.

    The top three wealthiest billionaires in the US – Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett – now have as much wealth as the bottom half of the US population combined.

    https://www.theguardian.com/comm…

    • fucked up - solution is simple boycott these families and try and shop 'smart'(er)mugwart
    • solution is simple https://is.gd/bFgKkL…kingsteven
    • perhaps solution is when they die, no money can be passed to family, becomes public company, money is divided equally amongst population.shapesalad
    • of course for that to happened, you need politicians that can't be bought by someone very rich. Thus we find ourselves spiralling in greed towards hell.shapesalad
    • tax wealth not profit. I don't mind rich people getting tax breaks if their money is actually doing something. Tax billionaire inheritance and dumb luck.Fax_Benson
    • Also a show-off tax. Tax anything that increases in value because of a publicly-financed infrastructure project.Fax_Benson
    • "Walmart employs an astounding 2.1 million people. In the United States alone United States alone, the company employs 1.4 million people."Morning_star
    • It's all relative. 170bn in hands of a family is a fortune whil in hands of 300m of Americans it translates to measly $550/person.pr2
    • wonder if inheritance tax only the rich would help? That money can only and only go to improving the well being of the country .... can only see plot holes!mugwart
    • ^ brilliant solution. But how to implement???Projectile
    • There already is an inheritance tax, and has been. Trump just doubled the exemption, of course. His father also scammed the system out of paying this for hisformed
    • kids. But the GOP's mentality of "don't tax the "job" creators" and the lack of any belief that people should pay their fair share, it will keep getting worse.formed
    • and yet we prefer to fight each other cos reasonsrobthelad
    • and yet, the Republicans still want to deregulate the banking markets like the corrupt, greedy fucks they aremonospaced
    • and even worse, the voting base goes around saying deregulation is a good thing, not realizing it will fuck them in the ass hard, like it did beforemonospaced
    • They wealthy elite need additional tax cuts, and they're going to get it.utopian
    • stop counting other peoples money you resentful cunts.hotroddy
    • nothing resentful here only a group of people understanding meaning of the word "obscene" .pr2
    • I doubt wether there's one person here who doesn't fall into the 1%. And what i see is virtue signalling to the echo chamber. Words like obscene and greedy...Morning_star
    • ...banded around with suggestions that the government should just steal the wealthy elite's money. Not one person has their spotlight on the the poor...Morning_star
    • ...and needy. Those people in our cities and communities that we can help with a little bit of effort. It's true what Orwell said...the middle class...Morning_star
    • ...socialists doesn't love the poor they just hate the rich.Morning_star
    • The government have no power over the money because all the money is held privately, and the people with the money run the government. Solution = Rebellion?robthelad
    • Rebellion, really? How many dead rich folk is enough? And where's the cut off, Ten, a thousand, ten thousand? Can I keep my Spotify subscription or will i...Morning_star
    • ...have to share it 'cause that's gonna fuck me right off.Morning_star
    • shapesalad: that's just a stupid suggestion. If I want to give my children my money that's my business. Fuck any government that says otherwise.zarkonite
    • This notion of making rules to prevent inheritance is completely flawed, whatever you put in place there will be loopholes found over time. And again it's thezarkonite
    • those who can't afford "tax planning" that will suffer.zarkonite
    • Kingsteven nailed it in the 2nd postGnash
    • well, my rule would be applied to co's/fam worth 1bn+. Of course, they would all be enticed to China/Russia etc to avoid the tax.shapesalad
    • "virtue signalling to the echo chamber" lol gotta love right wing buzzwords. But... trickle down economics!The_Reprisalizer
    • @Shapesalad. 'enticed to China/Russia' how ironic ;)

      @The Reprisalizer. how is that right wing?
      Morning_star
    • trickle down economics works. Business have money to pay me when they don't have to pay the IRS. And have a bigger budget to hire you for your shitty serviceshotroddy
    • ^ Lol saying "trickle down economics works" under a post about 3 families' wealth increasing 6000%. Fucking boot lickerThe_Reprisalizer
    • And calling criticism of the Kock brothers "virtue signalling" is too funny, considering how often right wing talk about "liberal elites" and Soros fundingThe_Reprisalizer
    • You guys are freaking out about their wealth but we are WAY better off than under any other system of government that's ever existed. In the 15th century, thezarkonite
    • elite was wealthier, you had no rights and even your life wasn't worth a damn. What exactly is the problem here? you don't like your job? you feel you shouldzarkonite
    • get paid more for your labour?zarkonite
    • @The_Reprisalizer. You seem to be under the impression that life, politics and the distribution of wealth needs to be fair. How's that work out for communism?Morning_star
  • utopian11

    @ Deathboy & Hayoth....will both of you video yourself tearing up your commie, socialist, welfare checks from Uncle Sam and post them here on QBN, thanks.

    Coronavirus stimulus checks: 175 million Americans will start receiving funds this week or early next.

    https://money.yahoo.com/coronavi…

    • Of course you will NOT...
      You are both hypocritical, babyboomer, asinine, dotard fucksticks.
      utopian
    • washington is the new mosocow, since 2016 now it´s even more real.neverscared
    • moscow.neverscared
    • When is utopian cancelling his amazon prime account?hotroddy
    • Effective June 14, 2020
      Amazon Prime has been cancelled, thank you for your empathic concern and patriotism.
      utopian
    • Republican socialist handouts for Americans in need. Only socialist scum will accept it or need it.monospaced
    • Cmon deathboy. You gonna accept it? Please explain. No fewer than 12 notes is accepted you silly little cunt of a humanmonospaced
    • And when you’re done you’ll only show what a hypocrite you really are, and you’ll come off stupid as fuck at the same time. Don’t puss out bitch. BITCHmonospaced
    • And to be clear. IF I qualified for this check I would give it back. Because I’m a good person. Unlike you.monospaced
    • Lol utopian. Just keeping you in check :)hotroddy
    • hotroddy is definitely not accepting any handouts for people who can't handle thismonospaced
    • i don't think I qualify as I'm on a visa. I don't want the gov't thinking I'm a burden to them.hotroddy
    • QBN is the best!detrius
    • it's my money why wouldn't i accept it. hate that is is "gifted" back to me. and no hypocrisy at all. if you think so please explaindeathboy
    • if u recall i have always talked about tocqueville and buying votes with others money. out of pure distorted incentives that create destruction.deathboy
    • but this time is way different. you might not see it until you read a news headline that tells you what you should see. its not merely politicsdeathboy
    • its also necessity to maintain order. going to be an interesting next couple of years. on that not dont panic, dont pull money, dont hoard. keeping capitalismdeathboy
    • alive without fear is only real safety net. I wish we had a stronger middleclass to help with this but policy really fucked thatdeathboy
    • and utopian why are so simple minded? i swear you sling this shit for a paycheck because its obviously clickbait.deathboy
    • i have a hard time imagining a person copy and pasting everything they find that fits their world view out of some pathetic self reassurance mechanismdeathboy
    • never challenge. post, insult. post, insult and continue. Never challenging or even presenting a unique idea or perspectivedeathboy
    • i think deep down i really hope you are doing it for a paycheck and not just fucked up on dealing with realitydeathboy
    • because if so i think mono and you should snuggle it out in quarantine. he totally believes his indoctrinated shitdeathboy
    • u americans love socialism, welcome.neverscared
    • if you accept the money, you accept that you support socialism ... it's NOT your money and you didn't earn itmonospaced
    • all you did was go off on a random tangent about ... buying votes? ... you sound like yo'ure not only an idiot, but incapable of accepting the truthmonospaced
    • all you did was regurgitate the basic premises that this is a government handout , SOCIALIST, for people who NEED it. Do you NEED it?monospaced
    • Also, you only had 10 consecutive posts in your fucktard rant. That's 2 short of complete, just like your life. Pathetic, socialist scum. That's you.\monospaced
    • You take this money, you're a LEECH on society. You're just taking free handouts. You're just contributing to debt. If you had morals, you'd give it back.monospaced
    • There's no getting around it. It's WELFARE. You're accepting a welfare check. You SHOULDN'T because capitalists don't do that. Only socalists do. Are you?monospaced
    • everyone who gets check is quite capable of earning a living, so it's not a welfare check. it's a stay-the-fuck-at-hom... check.hotroddy
    • Mono where does the money come from? I will be paying it as all will in some form down the road as tax or inflationdeathboy
    • It's no different than claiming mortgage interest deductions. Is it right or fair. No. But good guys finish last. I won't make an excuse to take something Ideathboy
    • Don't believe in. Which is the difference. Anything u take u try to justify as a right.deathboy
    • I'll take it and say yes it's not fuckin right and is gonna fuck shit up bad. Big ol difference pal.deathboy
    • And get back to who is the true hypocrite? U really try to portray your self in the top earners.. I dont qualify for it but if I did I give it back... Uh huhdeathboy
    • If u are in that top earners percentage what have u been gladly accepting while advocating differently. Trying to Warren buffet the crowddeathboy
    • If that is the case u are the biggest Uncle Tom here. But I personally think u try to inflate your standing and happilydeathboy
    • Waiting on the check. Maybe to pay back some inlaw loansdeathboy
    • what will utopian do with his?deathboy
  • i_monk7

    Slave labor camps are supplying American fashion brands

    https://www.fastcompany.com/9041…

    The New York Times says that more than a million Uyghurs have been forcibly held in camps and subject to political indoctrination. A United Nations human rights panel said that Uyghurs were being detained in a “massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy.” The Chinese government refers to these camps as “vocational training centers.” New evidence has emerged that some of these Uyghurs being coerced to work in factories that make apparel and clothing—and may supply American retailers.

    • deathboy is going to have an aneurysmutopian
    • < This is what communism delivers.Morning_star
    • @morning_star no it's what power and corruption deliver.colin_s
    • @colin_s. It's funny how this thread confuses power and corruption for Capitalism yet the same uncharitable definition isn't appropriate for Communism. Oh....Morning_star
    • ...well, is it warm and comforting in that echo chamber of yours.Morning_star
    • Slave labour is the apotheosis of capitalism. China practices State Capitalism and has since the late 70s or 80s.i_monk
    • Every country practices State Capitalism to some extent or another. I wonder if those folk who perished in the Gulags realised they were victims of capitalism.Morning_star
    • china used state capitalism to move 1 billion into middle class and the gov't is composed of oligarchs.hotroddy
    • and you can look to cuba as another instance of state slavery.hotroddy
    • What's the link between capitalism and this? Slave labour pre-dates even agriculture... this is more like colonialism if anything.zarkonite
    • Interesting note: There are about 10M Uyghurs in Xinjiang, Estimates say 1.5M or 1 in 6 adults interned, mostly males, so 1/3rd of adult males are interned.monNom
    • Which sounds like the majority of the young men have been removed from society, from working, from starting families... it's all a bit genocidey IMOmonNom
    • You can't reason with the qbn communists morning.Hayoth
    • They do this shit in the USA, no?ben_
    • lol utopiandeathboy
    • They call it prison labour in the USA. Protesting/refusing to work is met with indefinite solitary confinement.i_monk
  • utopian5

    Good Oldé Capitalism at Work Here Folks

    God Bless Big Tobacco and The GOP for their All Their Support!

    #ThoughtsAndPrayers

    • in this age of easy access to knowledge, thinking that inhaling vaporized oil and shit into ones lungs would not have consequences is rather stupidGnash
    • hmm no source... have you noticed the pivot to non licensed stuff being smoked... very curiosu who is paying for these studies if its the original juul and lookdeathboy
    • ing for ways to constrict competition. as far as we know of the 450 in 33 states there in no comon cause of product or anything jsut they vaped.deathboy
    • My intial skepticism makes me curious how many people are hospitlaized each year for a "breathing illness" in total un vape tagged...deathboy
    • i feel strongly like there is a false positive lobbying study being pushed by special interests. im not a vapor i think its dumb AF.deathboy
    • but to the crux of the issue, no source. being shared as anti capitalism and anti GOP... what is the real motivation here?deathboy
    • doing your part to spread fake news that supports your self interests... you ever question why you post such things? if you arent just dancing for ent ofdeathboy
    • someone else. Do you strongly support the idea ecigs are a health hazard and should be banned and going back to smoking?deathboy
    • so strongly that all intention of economics or party had nothing to do with it and that was your intention? the russia social shit is still fascinatingdeathboy
    • https://www.cdc.gov/…
      warning was posted online a week ago.
      uan
    • Vape technology has been around for years, tobacco companies only put it out so it could survive a few more.PhanLo
    • Yeah, not sure wtf vaping has to do with 'Big Tobacco' or 'GOP' - it's big business now, but a massively fragmented industry with loads of independents.Nairn
    • The FDA restriction of flavourings will make it so only big business can compete in this space. Nobody else could afford the studies.monNom
    • Big tobacco owns most of the large Vape companies.utopian
    • Vitamin E acetate, which recently has been used as a thickener, particularly in BLACK MARKET vape cartridges seems to be the culprit—not 'Big Tobacco'.PonyBoy
    • He’s using a hose?
      That’s vape level 9000
      futurefood
    • @deathboy has ground his axe into a mace, and now he wants to beat you over the head with it.zarb0z
    • i think uan cdc article provides more insight than my adamantium +35 mace.deathboy
    • can sum it up as ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ stuff is still being figured outdeathboy
    • we have on correlation without any evidence or anything to back it up. havent even confirmed cases we are grouping togetherdeathboy
    • either cdc is stupid or they are writing PR releases with special interests in mind. ppl here actually read the report and think OMG its dangerous? the evidencedeathboy
    • is so strong! thank god they saved em and i can go back to cigarettes... sighdeathboy
    • Holy shit. You don’t need a link. Just read the news about it. And there is no study. What the FUCK are you talking about? It’s lung damage from vaping. Period.monospaced
    • My father was one of the doctors who diagnosed one of these cases where the kid is dying. Just two weeks ago in California.monospaced
    • I can’t believe you’d say the CDC is stupid. They employ people far smarter and educated and qualified than your stupid ass. Shut the fuck up.monospaced
    • wait mono you say you dont need a cdc report but beleive the cdc? cdc explicitly statesdeathboy
    • pulmonary illnesses possibly related to e-cigarette product use, or “vaping,” primarily among adolescents and young adults. Many states have alerted CDC to possdeathboy
    • to possible (not confirmed) cases and investigations into these cases are ongoing.deathboy
    • That is PR. Reports promotig fear involving something without evidence. It's special interests. Its tabloid.deathboy
    • Hell what exactly did your father diagnose for the kid? Lets start there first.you seem to know all these people with valuable info but not really doing muchdeathboy
    • for argument sake. dad is a west coast doc friend who studies "cowboys". knowing someone is pointless unless you can advance an arguemnt based on knowledge ofdeathboy
    • said experts and still will need scrutiny of data for facts. just how the real academic circles work.deathboy
    • my argument is that they aren't idiots, and there is confirmed lung damage from vapes, you fucking retardmonospaced
    • Yes, that is PR from the CDC. It's not a report you dumbass. I didn't say I don't need a repot, I'm saying there hasn't been a study. Fucking hell learn to readmonospaced
    • The reports are coming in, and the studies will begin. The CDC isn't in the business of making cases, just keeping people safe. There is no conspiracy.monospaced
    • And yes, my father is a prominent west coast physician of 50 years. Doctors practice medicine you idiot, they don't "study" anything. There is no motive.monospaced
    • haha mono the top gov agency for protection "reports" no evidence so far. PR or reports not a difference. You state your dad diagnosed an issue.deathboy
    • diagnosed a respiratory issue? As no study he couldnt relate it to anything. May make false causations since they dont "study" anything. Hey thanks for doingdeathboy
    • the work on how the ill informed parse info.deathboy
    • also find it funny you need to claim your dad as a prominent west coast physician.. what makes one prominent? is it prominent in the field of "study" respiradeathboy
    • tory illnesses... care tp define prominence in this context or just jsut saying shit in hopes no one will ask. tell tell signs of bullshit is indirectnessdeathboy
    • and you said studies will begin with no evidence stated by cdc... how have you already come to a conculsion lung damage by vape? trying to threads of reasonheredeathboy
    • my hypthesis is the capitalism base and my post. no reason at all just follow the signals you are sold. since never really shown any independent thoughtdeathboy
  • i_monk10

    • God Bless American Greed!utopian
    • Netflix: The bank that runs the world.slappy
    • The folk who take this at face value are a little bit stupid.Morning_star
    • wasn't this stated decades ago? I remember reading someone sitting in a major meeting when they dictated it was more profitable to keep people sick...mugwart
    • Indeed. The logic is that if a Pharma company create a cure that eradicates a disease completely in a couple of years their market suddenly disappears. It's....Morning_star
    • ...not a sustainable business model.Morning_star
    • so it's not a sustainable business model, it's still a business if you can recoup costs, cure everyone and close up shop with a tidy profit.shapesalad
    • ^ and there is the problem - cost to develop a cure far exceeds the revenue it'd generate.shapesalad
    • ^ but in any case, humans are surviving and reproducing too much for it to be sustainable on planet earth. Perhaps let nature, as cruel as it is, cull the weak?shapesalad
    • That's horribly naive and kinda stupid to say. Just because someone was born w some problem doesn't mean they won't bring world peace or be the next Picaso.formed
  • Morning_star3

    What puzzles and amuses me about this thread is the constant bleating-on of the left leaning QBN brethren who, for some inexplicable reason, lay ALL the ills of the modern world at the feet of one political and economic system.
    The amount of virtue signalling, posturing, oh-so-trendy horse shit that is posted here with claims that - even with the most charitable and simplistic interpretation - blame a system that can't possibly be responsible.
    The imperfections in the capitalist system, as well as the communist system are the humans - the fucking stupid, selfish, greedy, fucked-up, idiot, power hungry humans.
    Polarising the argument is retarded and self defeating because in 3 years, 5 years, 10 years there will be trend loving, virtue signalling, shallow humans arguing the exact opposite.
    The ridiculous thing is, is that capitalist/communist systems are not incompatible and a society that identifies the good things about each and nurtures them within its political and economic systems tend to blossom and bloom.

    • so says a commie rag ;)hans_glib
    • morning star of reason...renderedred
    • All marketing. It's easy to yell "socialist!", "communist!" than it is to explain that that same person that eats that up benefits from those programs.formed
    • I think when people attack capitalism they are just signaling their unhappiness with the way things work currently. I agree it's silly for them to pretend theyyuekit
    • all have the answers about what the best alternative is.yuekit
    • Craven capitalism benefits the few, hurts the majority. It's really that simple. Leftists aren't pining for a Neo-USSR.garbage
    • But the second bullshit is called on snowflake centrist argument, the conversation devolves into "virtue signaling", "posturing", or "SJW".garbage
    • Are you really confused as to the extent of capitalism's influence over the modern world? What else would you blame systemic problems on, if not the systemi_monk
    • that reaches into nearly every aspect of modern life, defines its values, directs its politics, and indoctrinates generations to prop it up for the benefit ofi_monk
    • a diminishing handful at the top?i_monk
    • A socialist country collapses (after decades of interference, embargoes, assassinations, etc) and it's somehow proof that socialism is poison to all it touches.i_monk
    • But I guess millions are plunged into generational debt because they're lazy, not because capitalism makes it profitable for someone to do that to them.i_monk
    • "It's not the system! Capitalism is perfect! It's the humans who are the problem!"i_monk
    • No; capitalism actively incentivizes the sort of sociopathic shit that's ruining the world in the name of short-lived profit, then tells its victims theiri_monk
    • poverty is a symptom of their own moral failings and character flaws.i_monk
    • Yeah of course the system matters, precisely because people are flawed. Most people will just mindlessly go along with whatever system they are born into.yuekit
    • However I agree with morning_star that a black and white capitalism vs. socialism divide is not necessarily the best way to think about it.yuekit
    • @yuekit And that's kind of an obvious point. Morning_star subscribes to the ideas of the IDW and the Sam Harris types. It's safe to say he's a dimbulb.garbage
    • @Garbage It would also be safe to say that your simplification of the 'Capitalist' problem is similarly dim. Props to you my dimbulb brother.Morning_star
    • @i_monk Life is not fair and neither should it be. Capitalism cannot be sociopathic, people are sociopathic. As i said, the problem is the humans.Morning_star
    • You're saying that our current incarnation of capitalism doesn't sow a greedy breeding ground for thieves that can buy their way out of punishment?garbage
    • Corporations have personhood and are more powerful than nations. The people take a back seat to the bottom line.garbage
    • If you can't understand that in such utterly simple terms, your bulb might be dimmer than mine.garbage
    • "Life is not fair and neither should it be" sums up the sociopathy capitalism thrives on.i_monk
    • communism ruined my country so I always find hilarious people from capitalist countries longing for communismernexbcn
    • @i_monk. Do you think that Malaria, Volcanos, Tsunami, Multiple Sclerosis, Motor Neurone Disease etc is caused by capitalism? Do you think that communism ....Morning_star
    • ...brings utopia? Even though not one single successful example can be given. The political and economic polarity you seem to yearn is myth.Morning_star
    • Nobody is begging for communism, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at.garbage
    • What do you want? What replaces a free market economy? Sure, more social responsibility from huge corporations is needed. And here in the UK we have ..Morning_star
    • ..the monopoly commission and the financial services authority and all manner of regulatory bodies BUT business rise nd fall on their bottom line. What are...Morning_star
    • ...you suggesting is the optimum solution?Morning_star
    • a rebootprophetone
    • A redistribution of wealth? Globally? Regionally? Who decides who gets what?Morning_star
    • You already pointed out that there are many different possible combinations of socialism and free market. It's not really such a mystery, most people on theyuekit
    • left just want to shift the balance towards greater social welfare and more empowerment of workers.yuekit
    • Left-wingers are hardly the only ones saying the current system isn't working. Look at how quickly conservatives in the U.S. lined up behind Trump and hisyuekit
    • skepticism of free trade. Or what's going on in your own country with Brexit.yuekit
    • I think the disillusionment in the UK is more to do with the incompetence of all politicians regardless of their affiliation. And I agree with you that there ..Morning_star
    • ...is room for criticism everywhere. My point is, is that this thread is reflective of the current on-trend political position that is essentially useless and..Morning_star
    • ...decisive. The only real workable solution is, as I’ve said, a mixture of both left and right ideals.Morning_star
    • i love the 'it's not the system, its the people' arguments from the right. like their belief in capitalism and distrust of others aren't one and the same.kingsteven
    • i'm yet to identify one socialist on this site. at least 4 dumb as fuck extreme right anti-communists that get triggered at the thought of any social reform.kingsteven
    • I indentify as a communist.deadsperm
    • I don't see what's wrong with pointing out the excesses and absurdities of the current system. That's all most of the posts in this thread are doing.yuekit
    • And who decided that this was a choice between only late-stage capitalism or communism?MrT
    • cold-war era anti-communist propaganda equates freedom to laissez-faire capitalism and connects the dots with psychological egoism.kingsteven
    • "Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." - friedman.kingsteven
    • ardent believers of capitalist doctrine are anti-communists... they see it as incompatible with their psyche.kingsteven
    • that seems to be where the polarisation stems. marx knew capitalism contained the seeds for its own destruction but marxists are socially motivated so prop upkingsteven
    • the system with social reform rather than let it fail.kingsteven
    • not even the Germans could implement communism, they had to build a wall to prevent people from escaping their socialist paradiseernexbcn
    • 3 things ernexbcn, 1. polarisation of capitalism and communism is daft (see OP and all above), 2 that's a bit xenophobic, 3. they fucking started it :Dkingsteven
    • Did I say something to imply I think volcanoes are caused by capitalism? What a stupid question, part of a transparently stupid straw man construct.i_monk
    • No you didn't. You did, however, imply that my observation regarding life's unfairness was a symptom of the lies and selfishness of a capitalist system. I was..Morning_star
    • ...merely giving examples of things that make life very unfair that can't possibly be linked to the capitalist system. Your argument is flawed.Morning_star
    • Your reading is flawed. A system that doesn't account for human nature or the 'life *should* be unfair" mentality is a flawed system. Capitalism goes beyondi_monk
    • that, however, to disproportionately reward exploitation and unfairness and enshrine them as core principles.i_monk
    • I wouldn't go as far as 'core principles' but i catch your drift. My question (which was asked very clumsily) is why should the economic and politicai system...Morning_star
    • ...be fair? I agree it shouldn't be exploitative or oppressive etc by why fair?Morning_star
    • Because either it exists to serve us or we exist to serve it. Either it is governed by our democratic equality, or democracy and equality are governed by it.i_monk
    • Democracy has very little to do with it. The 'markets' along with regulatory bodies govern the businesses in a capitalists system. Consumers have a large part..Morning_star
    • ...to play in the success or failure of a capitalist venture. We have the option to 'vote' with our money. The black or white scenario, we govern it, it ...Morning_star
    • ...governs us, is myth.Morning_star
    • How naïve.i_monk
    • Just gonna leave that there are you i_monk.? No justification? no explanation? no link to inform my apparent naiveness? Unsurprising.Morning_star
    • @Morning_star I'm sorry, but i_monk completely explained it. If you really want it broken down for you, I can annoyingly oblige.garbage
    • Just a link will do.Morning_star
    • Nah, you're just going to have to read some notes.garbage
    • We are a representative democracy. Or a pshepocracy if you want to get fancy. That means that the people choose who represents us, our interests and well-being.garbage
    • Our system works if it weren't for corporate personhood, which means dollars mean more than the people.garbage
    • And if you want a link, here's one:
      https://www.business…
      garbage
    • That would be a list of millions of dollars that Russia has pumped into our political system.garbage
    • The system breaks down when we let money talk too loud. I'm not saying that there aren't corrupt Democrats, but holy shit.garbage
    • The GOP is craven, and they are destroying this country.garbage
    • Christ. You think i'm the naive one.Morning_star
    • Do you really need examples of exceptions made for business interests, laws crafted to suit lobbyists, closed-door trade deals with industry in the room, etc?i_monk
    • Gerrymandering and voter suppression of poorer neighbourhoods and demographics? Public funding of private schools? Catchment areas that exclude the poor?i_monk
    • How about tax loopholes designed to be exploited by the rich/corps and the lack of political will to make them pay their share?i_monk
    • How about the historical slashing of top marginal income taxes and switch to user-pays models of government service?i_monk
    • Yes, you're naïve if you think Johnny Citizen speaks as loudly as any given lobbyist or corporate donation to a candidate or their tight business connections.i_monk
    • I agree that everything you've just mention is true but you said it yourself, they are examples of exploitation, not the norm and not Capitalisms 'fault'. ...Morning_star
    • ... In exactly the same way that Communism on paper is a fine utopian concept, however in the real world people exploit the systems leading to...Morning_star
    • ...piles of very poor dead people. The examples you've given are down to the human flies in the ointment.Morning_star
    • I honestly don't get your argument. You're saying that "Communism would work if not for the human element"..garbage
    • ..and also saying "Look guys, the only reason Capitalism doesn't work is because we keep screwing it up, but it's better".garbage
    • But you also think that people want communism and that pointing out real-world problems is just "trendy" "SJW" "virtue signaling".garbage
    • https://i.imgur.com/…garbage
    • As i said in the original post, i think the best solution is a mixture of both systems. To polarise the argument by claiming one is superior to the other is...Morning_star
    • ...ridiculous, as the real-world systems are ultimately corrupted by humans. And the 'trendy, 'virtue signalling' tribes are out there and on here. I'm...Morning_star
    • ...absolutely certain that those who were oppressed by a socialist system would be as enthusiastic about criticising it as this thread is enthusiastic about...Morning_star
    • ..criticising corrupted, real-world capitalism.Morning_star
    • Do you have reading problems, comprehension problems, or both? Don't answer, because I don't care.garbage
    • Arrogance diminishes wisdom.Morning_star
    • Faaaart.garbage
    • Let me know when you arrive to a consensus.deadsperm
    • Exploitation is at the heart of capitalism. It's the very core of the difference between capitalism and socialism: exploitation of labour via ownership.i_monk
    • This naturally extends to flexing that ownership in the otherwise public sphere, arranging society/democracy to cater to the profitability of the owners.i_monk
    • Hence lobbyists, public-private partnerships, privatization, deregulation, etc.i_monk
  • Ramanisky25

    • i guess he's better off in government subsidized low income housing. Stand in line fo' yo' cheque yo!hotroddy
    • Seems to be working out well so farGnash
    • yeah at least here he can fuck his sister in the privacy of his own whatever the fuck his is._niko
    • isnt there parents basements windows with bernie stickers... its funny but doesnt mean anything. hell probably 3 acres of subleasingdeathboy
    • when u get your degree at trump university.neverscared
    • lol deathboy you can’t even write a coherent sentence. seriously, what the FUCK are you saying? I literally cannot figure out your nonsensemonospaced
    • Bernie stickers? 3 acres? This is a poor as fuck trump fuckass in the middle of trump country. Obviously.monospaced
    • The only way to live and deserved by fucktards.helloeatbreathedrive
    • Ah. The splendour that is Casa Hayoth.Continuity
    • It's interesting there was a farmer in Scotland who lived in a slightly nicer, but similar house. Trump tried his hardest to have it demolished.PhanLo
    • There are basement bedrooms of 18 + kids livin with parents. And the photo could be owner of 3 acted of sublets on land with no need for anything elsedeathboy
    • Did u understand how a photo and no context mostly means nothing as well?deathboy
    • Deathboy, you talk madness mate.PhanLo
    • Madness is what they call rationality in the emo online be trigger shit these days?deathboy
    • Simply put not realizing no context but applying your feelings makes for poor choicesdeathboy
  • deadsperm10

    • LOL. Must be true, Canadians also live longer. Although I'd like to test living in the south of France for a while, for science.zarkonite
    • Adolescent communist twit. Euros have been more physically active and ate better. The solution is not to get obese & ill and throw money at trying to reverse itBustySaintClaire
    • The Mediterranean diet & lifestyle is not 'bullshit.' The Arkansas diet is.BustySaintClaire
    • to be honest here, people from the US really eat like they have free healthcareernexbcn
    • If we here in Denmark didn't have free healthcare we/I would be completely broke, as my other half has been in and out of hospitals the past couple of years.Nutter
  • docpoz3

    Capitalism has its merits and historical success. The same can be said for socialism. I understand binary fanaticism as a rallying cry but I feel, like most things in life, striking a sensible balance between the two ideologies seems to be the way to go.

    New York has many social welfare and housing programs that tremendously help it's citizens. Without them the city would be a war zone.

    Strike a balance that works. Obama was a spark but what the usa needs is to socialize college education (not only to prepare for the job market but for quality of community) and revisit our health care situation. Many hospitals in the usa are a disaster and need funding. I will always recommend a private hospital like Baptist over the Jackson health system in South Florida.

    Capitalism has become as top-heavy as the Golden State Warriors. If the people truly want to change the status quo, it's time to look at what Canada is doing an maybe borrow some ideas. Copying features worked for the Samsung Galaxy and Microsoft Windows and it needs to be applied to government in an evolutionary and competitive manner.

    • socialism is only as good as it's people. and canadians are better people.hotroddy
    • USA is more like venezuela, where people are low skilled, and are quite happy to take a piece of the pie without contributing to systemhotroddy
    • Canada, like all northern socialist countries are hard working people. USA has one foot in the tropics.hotroddy
    • But don't worry.. one day we'll get tropical socialism. It's right around the corner once millennials start voting.hotroddy
    • socialize edu happened as soon as gov guaranteed loans. banks sold u college as something special after that. Stupid if u fall for it.deathboy
    • college has nothing on a almost no pay internship. period. kids get 80k in debt to be an intern. ridiculous.deathboy
    • as far as socialism merits im curious? where are those to be seen? u see a small solution to a symptom w/ subsidization and say yaydeathboy
    • but what really inflates cost of housing? to understand this is an entirely different beast.Monetary policy is a big player. Which is not free marketdeathboy
    • But that goes back years with central banks, and who knows if we didnt control it and get a reserve currency we might be entirely in a different positiondeathboy
    • we probably didnt play fair but the us came out the winner. however that might finally be changing with globalism.deathboy
    • canada isn't socialistGnash
    • medicare is loved by everyone, and yet people, conveniently, dismiss it and don't see what it is (look at people "scared of socialism" collecting benefits fromformed
    • the govt when it benefits them). Good post, it's what we should be discussing, but fear mongering 'govt is evil' has brain washed too many, I fear.formed
    • You can make a good argument that capitalism does not work without some degree of socialism, and vice versa.yuekit
    • Northern countries practise 'social democracy', not 'socialism'. There's a world of difference, and capitalism plays a key role in a social democracy.Continuity
    • The sooner you Americns can finally learn the distinction, the better off you will be.Continuity
    • "It's right around the corner once millennials start voting."
      you know the age range for millennials? or are you implying they just don't bother to vote?
      pango
    • haha yeah millennials are already the largest voting demographic. I think when people say millennial they think of a 12 year old sitting in parents basement.yuekit
    • +1 to Gnash: 'canada isn't socialist' but you'd be forgiven for thinking it is since our politicians seem to think it is toospot13
    • seems to me you have street-up revolutionary socialism which is hindered by the fact that revolutionaries turn out to be bad politicians / dictatorsFax_Benson
    • or top-down theoretical socialism, which is usually done 'to' the proles by entitled upper-middle class twits who chose 'left' at college and want ordinaryFax_Benson
    • Mixed economies work best and are most stable. Here in Canada, we're mainly capitalist, but all health care & most education is public. Great justice system.BustySaintClaire
    • ..folk to be grateful to them for doing so. Hence the working class tend not vote for them, even when 'capitalism' is letting them down.Fax_Benson
    • Socialism is a pretty nebulous term, it can mean anything from a hippy commune to a Stalinist dictatorship.yuekit
    • yeah, career leftists need drop itFax_Benson
    • Some republicans use to and maybe still refer to us as Soviet Canuckistan lol_niko
  • colin_s2

    seriously kill the six richest men in the world and redistribute their wealth equally and the world gets to be a much better place

    • (and while some may disagree with the guillotine, inequality is an exponential concept and if you can find a better mechanism than fear to keep it regulatedcolin_s
    • then i'd love to hear)colin_s
    • Said like a true communist.Hayoth
    • Or you could kill the poor, there'd be more heads to chop but the environmental benefit would be greater.deadsperm
    • could just take their money? Killing them as well seems a bit meanFax_Benson
    • sounds more like a true republican.uan
    • The poor are already being killed.i_monk
    • they'll all be giving away their money in an attempt to drop to no.7Fax_Benson
    • There is a third way.
      Set a wealth bracket, anybody under or over it gets the ax.
      Win, win.
      deadsperm
    • trickle-down economy believers are downvoting.Milan
    • Hayoth. There are no true communists.monospaced
    • It's called socialism....you fucking moron.utopian
    • Can't we just kill everybody?Nairn
    • Communists are a fabrication by Big Hardware that just want to sell us their hammers and sickles.
      Wake up sheeple!
      deadsperm
    • lol if + are something to judge based on averages, this is quite disturbing. Up there with a fatalist approach similar to murdering the poordeathboy
    • and scary if people think such redistribution = happiness... if we will go there i suggest 6 million poor over 6 wealthy. it will also help climate changedeathboy
    • and overall better results. decrease low level labor supplies it should help increase wages (probably effect some costs) but ppl like higher wages.deathboy
    • "lol if people like higher wages"i_monk
    • who doesnt like higher wages imonk?...deathboy