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- colin_s12
i'm pretty sure most people on this board remember "the good internet" - the newstoday days when everything online seemed wonderful - instead of the drag it is now. what happened? capitalism.
i was thinking about this while listening to the radio yesterday (yes i do this) and the DJ ended their on-air segment trying to sell something or other, and my brain just cringed. every single communication in America seems transactional at this point.
the internet, back in those early years, though shopping was an aspect of it, it was largely everything BUT capitalism. it was creative, free-for-all, experimental, engaging ... now it's been driven to the dirt by monetizing everything from clicks to forums to podcasts to user pages etc.
the internet sucks and that should be all the examples we need that capitalism has overstayed its welcome: in a single generation this marvelous opportunity for democracy and humanity in general has been turned into a shopping mall where humans themselves are as much a resource as anything else. and for what? memes?
- Even worse when you add in cellular data and geo targeting. Only going to get worse.
*shakes fist, IT AINT NATURALBonSeff - it's an evolution. at the start someone needed to invent how to make money with it, once proved it could be made, the investors pumped money in ituan
- then they protected their interests with corporatism. now society is seeing the negative effects and are testing different strategies to make it work better.uan
- it's in development still, has always been, next 10 years will show if we get better at using it and might even feel like the first humanist vibe it can has.uan
- USA does seem to be super selling all the time society.shapesalad
- I think the problem here may be more of a question of getting rid of the bad Internets and keeping the good Internets.sted
- that sentence has all the meme u need.sted
- agreed, but it is quite a cynical view. the internet is still amazing.inteliboy
- I'd also say the death of the internet we loved was because of narcissism.inteliboy
- I'm still recoiling from the idea that people take duckface selfies, post them to show the world how great they are, and call themselves 'influencers'inteliboy
- It's far more repulsive and destructive than websites and content creators figuring out how to make ad revenue.inteliboy
- Nostalgic nonsense.hotroddy
- @colin_s what should catalyze the evolution: war or consumption?sted
- i'm fine with consumption:access to content whatever it is, jokes, products, friends, qbn, access to work and sale on global scale isn't a bad thing.sted
- all of this made possible by generations of engineers and developers on a network what has underground, ground and near-earth level infrastructure.sted
- @inteliboy in the past decade how many people got connected and addicted in the same way when you first opened the internet we loved? :Dsted
- not sure capitalism is at fault in anyway. trading value for value vs what alternative? Being told and given only what you can have. Has the freedom of capitalideathboy
- sm or that it provides been abused and let to rampant consumerism. Like blaming alcohol sales for alcoholism.deathboy
- and i think advertising and media reinforce a cultural value system of where shit floats to the top and trends.... so much more than blame capitalism meme...deathboy
- why cringe if someone is trying to sell you something? are people not allowed to earn a living? or should they wait on a government check instead?hotroddy
- as far as death to the internet goes. 1) iphone and movement to make mobile replacement for desktop. 2) business capitalizing on new niche and selling the ideadeathboy
- 3) ppl adopting mobile first platform 4) while this all happened social networks reinforced mobile and hooked users with dopamine filled thumbs upsdeathboy
- 5) everyone under the same platform and human laziness of following and being spoonfed what pleases them decreases exploration and desire to produce outsidedeathboy
- the social networks, instead forcing to integrate and conform for the same dopamine rewards and values of said networks.deathboy
- 6) soon develop a boring closed loop system of conformity and control, where everything is derivative and fake. where everyone is scared to develop outside masdeathboy
- s appeal or standards and you get this watered down lowest common denominator stuff. that you can hardly be excited about or dislike. its just enough likedeathboy
- to be like ok like the marvel film formula, and by being the only thing creates its own inflated ok lets feel good about this feedback loop.deathboy
- you see it in gold addys wordpress themes, like well something needs to win. Judges not knowing how to choose one from the next. Accept believing their owndeathboy
- authority in such things push it all forward and helps reinforce the systemsdeathboy
- accessibility... its like forcing everyone to have a wheel chair ramp to everything. of course it will look like all the same shit. the more freedom youdeathboy
- can expect better stuff, more range and expression. hard for web to grow in a cage.deathboy
- that´s to dramatic - it became commercial more useful, but also the creative outflow is magnified, when i think of tutorials -communities - communications.neverscared
- Just like this place, nothing better to talk to someone IRLi_was
- 6) soon develop a boring closed loop system of conformity and control
That's clearly QBNi_was - it's all 'cause Jobs killed Flashformed
- All good things come to a trend.Bluejam
- Welcome to QBN AOC. Another brilliant argument you are making. Please stop unleashing your mind bendingHayoth
- Brilliance on us. It's hard to keep up with your top level genius skills.Hayoth
- @hayoth I blame fascicommusocialismfadein11
- @intelliboy influencers and that lot are all products of capitalism - doing anything to acquire power / profit from the consumer lifestylecolin_s
- still a huge amount of stuff in the old spirit, it's just slightly harder to find. This is a the natural progression of any media unfort.fadein11
- Let's go back to BBS!robotron3k
- w/out capitalism we wouldn't have nearly the advancement in technology we've had these last 100+ years—but yeah—shit all over it cuz your bored of the web :-/PonyBoy
- *you'rePonyBoy
- without the version of capitalism we now have, all that technological advancement would likely be much more technologically advanced.MrT
- Prove that MrT.PonyBoy
- Not sure I would agree that the internet as it exists today is 100% capitalism. Most of the big sites like Reddit or YouTube are free to use and and basedyuekit
- around either user-generated content or reposting commercial content without regard to copyright. Sure they try to monetize using ads but neither ofyuekit
- those sites are profitable yet. It's a weird mix of capitalism and free sharing/open source, maybe evolving towards something else in the future.yuekit
- its just free because you pay with all your data like what you see what you do on youtube or facebook... sites would not be profitable without it.api
- ukit of course internet isnt 100% capitalistic, but your examples paint 100% its trading value for value nature. you just might overlook values as monetary gaindeathboy
- the argument want for your view with internet is based on the infrastructure, ma bell, same as utilities. as far as companies go that operate on the webdeathboy
- that is more about rules and regulations of investments, and ability to acquire capital at losses in loose monetary policy or through passive investments ofdeathboy
- of fools. You should read Huxleys Island. All value isnt about money, however its hard to develop a free society that trades in value outside something as moneydeathboy
- money has liquidity. and all value needs liquidity in ability to trade value for value in dynamic rangedeathboy
- Even worse when you add in cellular data and geo targeting. Only going to get worse.