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- utopian3
The wealth of America's three richest families grew by 6,000% since 1982
The three wealthiest US families are the Waltons of Walmart, the Mars candy family and the Koch brothers, heirs to the country’s second largest private company, the energy conglomerate Koch Industries. These are all enterprises built by the grandparents and parents of today’s wealthy heirs and heiresses.
These three families own a combined fortune of $348.7bn, which is 4m times the median wealth of a US family.
Since 1982, these three families have seen their wealth increase nearly 6,000%, factoring in inflation. Meanwhile, the median household wealth went down 3% over the same period.
The dynastic wealth of the Walton family grew from $690m in 1982 (or $1.81bn in 2018 dollars) to $169.7bn in 2018, a mind-numbing increase of more than 9,000%.
The top three wealthiest billionaires in the US – Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates and Warren Buffett – now have as much wealth as the bottom half of the US population combined.
- fucked up - solution is simple boycott these families and try and shop 'smart'(er)mugwart
- solution is simple https://is.gd/bFgKkL…kingsteven
- perhaps solution is when they die, no money can be passed to family, becomes public company, money is divided equally amongst population.shapesalad
- of course for that to happened, you need politicians that can't be bought by someone very rich. Thus we find ourselves spiralling in greed towards hell.shapesalad
- tax wealth not profit. I don't mind rich people getting tax breaks if their money is actually doing something. Tax billionaire inheritance and dumb luck.Fax_Benson
- Also a show-off tax. Tax anything that increases in value because of a publicly-financed infrastructure project.Fax_Benson
- "Walmart employs an astounding 2.1 million people. In the United States alone United States alone, the company employs 1.4 million people."Morning_star
- It's all relative. 170bn in hands of a family is a fortune whil in hands of 300m of Americans it translates to measly $550/person.pr2
- wonder if inheritance tax only the rich would help? That money can only and only go to improving the well being of the country .... can only see plot holes!mugwart
- ^ brilliant solution. But how to implement???Projectile
- There already is an inheritance tax, and has been. Trump just doubled the exemption, of course. His father also scammed the system out of paying this for hisformed
- kids. But the GOP's mentality of "don't tax the "job" creators" and the lack of any belief that people should pay their fair share, it will keep getting worse.formed
- and yet we prefer to fight each other cos reasonsrobthelad
- and yet, the Republicans still want to deregulate the banking markets like the corrupt, greedy fucks they aremonospaced
- and even worse, the voting base goes around saying deregulation is a good thing, not realizing it will fuck them in the ass hard, like it did beforemonospaced
- They wealthy elite need additional tax cuts, and they're going to get it.utopian
- stop counting other peoples money you resentful cunts.hotroddy
- nothing resentful here only a group of people understanding meaning of the word "obscene" .pr2
- I doubt wether there's one person here who doesn't fall into the 1%. And what i see is virtue signalling to the echo chamber. Words like obscene and greedy...Morning_star
- ...banded around with suggestions that the government should just steal the wealthy elite's money. Not one person has their spotlight on the the poor...Morning_star
- ...and needy. Those people in our cities and communities that we can help with a little bit of effort. It's true what Orwell said...the middle class...Morning_star
- ...socialists doesn't love the poor they just hate the rich.Morning_star
- The government have no power over the money because all the money is held privately, and the people with the money run the government. Solution = Rebellion?robthelad
- Rebellion, really? How many dead rich folk is enough? And where's the cut off, Ten, a thousand, ten thousand? Can I keep my Spotify subscription or will i...Morning_star
- ...have to share it 'cause that's gonna fuck me right off.Morning_star
- shapesalad: that's just a stupid suggestion. If I want to give my children my money that's my business. Fuck any government that says otherwise.zarkonite
- This notion of making rules to prevent inheritance is completely flawed, whatever you put in place there will be loopholes found over time. And again it's thezarkonite
- those who can't afford "tax planning" that will suffer.zarkonite
- Kingsteven nailed it in the 2nd postGnash
- well, my rule would be applied to co's/fam worth 1bn+. Of course, they would all be enticed to China/Russia etc to avoid the tax.shapesalad
- "virtue signalling to the echo chamber" lol gotta love right wing buzzwords. But... trickle down economics!The_Reprisalizer
- @Shapesalad. 'enticed to China/Russia' how ironic ;)
@The Reprisalizer. how is that right wing?Morning_star - trickle down economics works. Business have money to pay me when they don't have to pay the IRS. And have a bigger budget to hire you for your shitty serviceshotroddy
- ^ Lol saying "trickle down economics works" under a post about 3 families' wealth increasing 6000%. Fucking boot lickerThe_Reprisalizer
- And calling criticism of the Kock brothers "virtue signalling" is too funny, considering how often right wing talk about "liberal elites" and Soros fundingThe_Reprisalizer
- You guys are freaking out about their wealth but we are WAY better off than under any other system of government that's ever existed. In the 15th century, thezarkonite
- elite was wealthier, you had no rights and even your life wasn't worth a damn. What exactly is the problem here? you don't like your job? you feel you shouldzarkonite
- get paid more for your labour?zarkonite
- @The_Reprisalizer. You seem to be under the impression that life, politics and the distribution of wealth needs to be fair. How's that work out for communism?Morning_star
- NBQ005
- this is why we need smart people in government, to help make solutions to things like this. And there are a lot of smart people with ideas for things like thisdkoblesky
- https://www.youtube.…GuyFawkes
- would you sign a contract for 10 years?sted
- Credit is a ma' fucka', eh?ideaist
- To be fair the banks don’t want to take any big risks right now. If you can’t get approved for a loan that small you are doing something wrong.monospaced
- New stats say that to buy an average house you would have to earn 35k Swiss Francs per month. Guess I'll keep renting then.Longcopylover
- You don't make 35k swiss francs per month. What?NBQ00
- I know, I'm a working poor I guess.Longcopylover
- $1400 a month gets you a pretty nice apt. in this town. $950 gets you a shitty house unless you put +50% down on a house.fooler
- Something tells me Kat shouldn't be buying a house right nowFNP14
- ^ hahaGnash
- Rent should only be for folks looking for a short term commitment, which should equate to costing a more than a long term commitment.aliastime
- National cultures are different, aliastime - in Europe, renting is much more common and accepted. In Britain and the US, less so.Nairn
- PhanLo5
- I read a book about Rockefeller once....and it was the same thing. They got so big that no small oil producer could compete. They did stuff like Amazon doesdkoblesky
- Teddy Roosevelt came along and started changing that. That needs to happen now with Amazon, Google....etc It is timedkoblesky
- buy your tripod from a shopify store instead. problem solved. no need to vilify capitalismhotroddy
- unless your utopian who talks shit about capitalism yet is an amazon prime memberhotroddy
- Just another reason to avoid these prickssection_014
- @hotroddy, vilify capitalism? So free-market, without the free? Which is it?twooh
- i said it already. buy your shit elsewherehotroddy
- shopify gives you the tools to competehotroddy
- Hotroddy is right but rather than selling in somebody else's venue (Amazon, Etsy), people need to create their own venue.MondoMorphic
- Idiot Thoughts by Roddyutopian
- An apologist for Crony capitalism...go figure!utopian
- Shopify is the answer, LOLutopian
- https://i.imgur.com/…utopian
- buying from small businesses is the answer.
Shopify is as convenient as Amazon. But I guess not for you, Mr. Amazon Prime memberhotroddy - Amazon WISHES it owned shopify stock. It would vilify Shopify, Mr. Amazon prime memberhotroddy
- My Prime Membership was cancelled Captain America. - Trump2024utopian
- don't believe you. You've said that twice in the last to years yet you keep suggesting movies in "suggest a good movie thread" the week it comes out on primehotroddy
- the times I've called you out on it you said membership was cancelled and you were just staying it's course while it expired.hotroddy
- Looks like Amazon copied China's business model. This also happens with custom productsHayoth
- Support companies directly or purchase their products as locally as possible. You consumed before Amazon and can do so without it.ben_
- It's trickle down economics. Ask Bezos.NBQ00
- Lol buy from Shopify. Good luck finding that shop, with legitimate reviews, return policy, delivered next day shipping on the random piece of hardware you need.jtb26
- The tripods were mass produced in a Chinese factory and marketed by a small business as well as hundreds of othersspot13
- I would argue independent site's reviews are more credible than amazon who has a history of faking/surpressing reviews.hotroddy
- and on average independant sites have better customer service.hotroddy
- fuck me if you are too lazy to take the 5 minutes to research the 5 million tripods on the market.hotroddy
- you have facebook, google, instagram, shop pay, and a million other resources outside amazon ecosystem.hotroddy
- and if an extra two-three days delivery is a deal breaker than you shouldn't bitch and probably deserve Amazon's businesshotroddy
- no one is putting a gun to your head and plenty of options. If amazon spoiled you like a little bitch that's on you.hotroddy
- can't have it both ways. either amazon pays it's employees $15 an hour so it can afford overnight free shipping to your spoiled lazy ass.hotroddy
- or it pays employees $50 an hour and YOU pay for 7 day shippinghotroddy
- @hotroddy "i said it already. buy your shit elsewhere". You didn't say it. It got delisted from the Amazon marketplace. That's not free market.twooh
- amazon is a company, not the free market.hotroddy
- hotroddy - can't tell if you're a parody account or notfadein11
- i bet you have trouble tying your shoes toohotroddy
- kingsteven7
- a) this can't be real
b) thanks for the laugh!renderedred - hehehePhanLo
- If deathboy could write a coherent sentence this might be what he says. We will never know.monospaced
- Hahah wowscruffics
- Definitely a bit, it is way too knowing.face_melter
- "I thnk" ahaha no you aren'tsted
- If this is real, the resulting comments must have been mind-bending.Continuity
- ^ i imagine it lasted not much longer than the 2m on the screenshot :Dkingsteven
- Is my boss a communist? If his name is Mao and first name 'Chairman', then yes.shapesalad
- What's was that funny site... Bash.org. this reminds me of that early day craze of fake irc chatsdeathboy
- a) this can't be real
- utopian11
@ Deathboy & Hayoth....will both of you video yourself tearing up your commie, socialist, welfare checks from Uncle Sam and post them here on QBN, thanks.
Coronavirus stimulus checks: 175 million Americans will start receiving funds this week or early next.
- Of course you will NOT...
You are both hypocritical, babyboomer, asinine, dotard fucksticks.utopian - washington is the new mosocow, since 2016 now it´s even more real.neverscared
- moscow.neverscared
- When is utopian cancelling his amazon prime account?hotroddy
- Effective June 14, 2020
Amazon Prime has been cancelled, thank you for your empathic concern and patriotism.utopian - Republican socialist handouts for Americans in need. Only socialist scum will accept it or need it.monospaced
- Cmon deathboy. You gonna accept it? Please explain. No fewer than 12 notes is accepted you silly little cunt of a humanmonospaced
- And when you’re done you’ll only show what a hypocrite you really are, and you’ll come off stupid as fuck at the same time. Don’t puss out bitch. BITCHmonospaced
- And to be clear. IF I qualified for this check I would give it back. Because I’m a good person. Unlike you.monospaced
- Lol utopian. Just keeping you in check :)hotroddy
- hotroddy is definitely not accepting any handouts for people who can't handle thismonospaced
- i don't think I qualify as I'm on a visa. I don't want the gov't thinking I'm a burden to them.hotroddy
- QBN is the best!detrius
- it's my money why wouldn't i accept it. hate that is is "gifted" back to me. and no hypocrisy at all. if you think so please explaindeathboy
- if u recall i have always talked about tocqueville and buying votes with others money. out of pure distorted incentives that create destruction.deathboy
- but this time is way different. you might not see it until you read a news headline that tells you what you should see. its not merely politicsdeathboy
- its also necessity to maintain order. going to be an interesting next couple of years. on that not dont panic, dont pull money, dont hoard. keeping capitalismdeathboy
- alive without fear is only real safety net. I wish we had a stronger middleclass to help with this but policy really fucked thatdeathboy
- and utopian why are so simple minded? i swear you sling this shit for a paycheck because its obviously clickbait.deathboy
- i have a hard time imagining a person copy and pasting everything they find that fits their world view out of some pathetic self reassurance mechanismdeathboy
- never challenge. post, insult. post, insult and continue. Never challenging or even presenting a unique idea or perspectivedeathboy
- i think deep down i really hope you are doing it for a paycheck and not just fucked up on dealing with realitydeathboy
- because if so i think mono and you should snuggle it out in quarantine. he totally believes his indoctrinated shitdeathboy
- u americans love socialism, welcome.neverscared
- if you accept the money, you accept that you support socialism ... it's NOT your money and you didn't earn itmonospaced
- all you did was go off on a random tangent about ... buying votes? ... you sound like yo'ure not only an idiot, but incapable of accepting the truthmonospaced
- all you did was regurgitate the basic premises that this is a government handout , SOCIALIST, for people who NEED it. Do you NEED it?monospaced
- Also, you only had 10 consecutive posts in your fucktard rant. That's 2 short of complete, just like your life. Pathetic, socialist scum. That's you.\monospaced
- You take this money, you're a LEECH on society. You're just taking free handouts. You're just contributing to debt. If you had morals, you'd give it back.monospaced
- There's no getting around it. It's WELFARE. You're accepting a welfare check. You SHOULDN'T because capitalists don't do that. Only socalists do. Are you?monospaced
- everyone who gets check is quite capable of earning a living, so it's not a welfare check. it's a stay-the-fuck-at-hom... check.hotroddy
- Mono where does the money come from? I will be paying it as all will in some form down the road as tax or inflationdeathboy
- It's no different than claiming mortgage interest deductions. Is it right or fair. No. But good guys finish last. I won't make an excuse to take something Ideathboy
- Don't believe in. Which is the difference. Anything u take u try to justify as a right.deathboy
- I'll take it and say yes it's not fuckin right and is gonna fuck shit up bad. Big ol difference pal.deathboy
- And get back to who is the true hypocrite? U really try to portray your self in the top earners.. I dont qualify for it but if I did I give it back... Uh huhdeathboy
- If u are in that top earners percentage what have u been gladly accepting while advocating differently. Trying to Warren buffet the crowddeathboy
- If that is the case u are the biggest Uncle Tom here. But I personally think u try to inflate your standing and happilydeathboy
- Waiting on the check. Maybe to pay back some inlaw loansdeathboy
- what will utopian do with his?deathboy
- Of course you will NOT...
- utopian5
- Hang on, Hotroddy has kids?fadein11
- To me as a parent of 2 sons, this is exciting albeit illegal. I have a 13 year old nephew who refused to work and get anything he wants between his mom / dad...ideaist
- ...NOW divorced.
I worked summers in the fields here in Ontario, ON a touch older than this.ideaist - lol @ f11!formed
- ^^^MrT
- Dayuuummaquito
- @ideaist lol...you too? lol.. thought it was just me. I grew up in Peterborough, out in the country, spent my childhood working on a local farm. Think i was 9..exador1
- started when i was in about grade 4, so probably 9 years old... most of the kids in my area did that starting at the same age...exador1
- it was something to do, and you got a few bucks etc...at that age it seemed like a gold-mine lol... pretty hard labour for a 9 yr old, but we did it anyway...exador1
- one of those ai things:
Q: What do you call a group of young kids working at McDonalds?
A: A Happy Meal of Small Fries!Squiddy - the dif bw US and Canada is children of all classes work in Canada (at least during summer). Very rarely do families have a 'cleaning lady'.hotroddy
- Canada was not the two-class system that US is/was afforded by slave labor (historically) and now w cheap immigrant laborhotroddy
- I think the work ethos of Canadians is why their socialist programs are able to work for the most part.hotroddy
- So you’re saying slavery — racism — is to blame for how awful American economy is. ;) finallymonospaced
- hotroddy throwing out the systemic racism that pervades American society even today. welcome to the left, bitchmonospaced
- not sure the Canadian economy is any better off than the American. The American is stronger dollar. I think the job market is better in the US.hotroddy
- *has a stronger dollar.hotroddy
- if you want to race-bait the 'minority-soon-to-be... by correcting historical wrong-doings then I suggest you read up on Latin American socialismhotroddy
- *corrupt regimesfadein11
- The culture perpetuates corruption. Bureaucrats use the justification of rectifying past injustices to rationalize their corrupt actions.hotroddy
- And USA currently has one foot in the tropics. Soon to be two feet.hotroddy
- Look no further to BLM movement. 100 million in free money. Who did they actually help?hotroddy
- I grew up in the restaurant business. I was washing dishes as soon as I could reach the machineGnash
- Retail for me. First full day shifts on weekends or holidays either in warehouse or at cash register at age 11. Paid for a truly enormous CD collection!BuddhaHat
- i_monk7
Slave labor camps are supplying American fashion brands
https://www.fastcompany.com/9041…
The New York Times says that more than a million Uyghurs have been forcibly held in camps and subject to political indoctrination. A United Nations human rights panel said that Uyghurs were being detained in a “massive internment camp that is shrouded in secrecy.” The Chinese government refers to these camps as “vocational training centers.” New evidence has emerged that some of these Uyghurs being coerced to work in factories that make apparel and clothing—and may supply American retailers.
- deathboy is going to have an aneurysmutopian
- < This is what communism delivers.Morning_star
- @morning_star no it's what power and corruption deliver.colin_s
- @colin_s. It's funny how this thread confuses power and corruption for Capitalism yet the same uncharitable definition isn't appropriate for Communism. Oh....Morning_star
- ...well, is it warm and comforting in that echo chamber of yours.Morning_star
- Slave labour is the apotheosis of capitalism. China practices State Capitalism and has since the late 70s or 80s.i_monk
- Every country practices State Capitalism to some extent or another. I wonder if those folk who perished in the Gulags realised they were victims of capitalism.Morning_star
- china used state capitalism to move 1 billion into middle class and the gov't is composed of oligarchs.hotroddy
- and you can look to cuba as another instance of state slavery.hotroddy
- What's the link between capitalism and this? Slave labour pre-dates even agriculture... this is more like colonialism if anything.zarkonite
- Interesting note: There are about 10M Uyghurs in Xinjiang, Estimates say 1.5M or 1 in 6 adults interned, mostly males, so 1/3rd of adult males are interned.monNom
- Which sounds like the majority of the young men have been removed from society, from working, from starting families... it's all a bit genocidey IMOmonNom
- You can't reason with the qbn communists morning.Hayoth
- They do this shit in the USA, no?ben_
- lol utopiandeathboy
- They call it prison labour in the USA. Protesting/refusing to work is met with indefinite solitary confinement.i_monk
- utopian9
- It's called capitalism. Look it up.NBQ00
- Medicare, the government health program for those over age 65 — it’s also the nation’s largest buyer of drugs — is barred from negotiating drug prices.Morning_star
- *bares toothless grin
Aa-me-ri-kaadrgs - Unbelievable. I feel very fortunate to get my insulin completely paid for by taxes via the Irish public health system.mort_
- 'Murika's healthcare system is absurd. It's just like lobbying, debt, spending...talk, talk, no action from anyoneformed
- if you have insurance the American health care system is the best in the world by far.hotroddy
- Hotroddy, not even close https://worldpopulat…Morning_star
- I go by experience, not charts.hotroddy
- A canadian kid will spend 12 hours overnight in emergency room to cast his broken arm. A floridian kid will spend under 2 hours. $$ talks.hotroddy
- There are countless stories like above.hotroddy
- so how do i set up a business importing insulin from turkey to the usa? seems to be a profitasble endevour and i could undercut all other suppliers by half andtrooperbill
- sted8
- Rotterdam bridge is reportedly being dismantled so Jeff Bezos' yacht can pass throughsted
- Excellent, more work and income for the region as well as the existing shipyard that's been constructing the yacht.Morning_star
- If he drowned in a boating accident there'd be more income for Rotterdam's funeral industry and party popper shops. Excellent.MrT
- what a helmet.utopian
- Thats my city!milfhunter
- That's trickle down for you folks!palimpsest
- A yacht this big for this dwarf??
Is Dicaprio invited to do a "trip"??OBBTKN - It's a 'cosmetic' bridge that has a mid-section specifically designed to be removed for ships built in the local shipyard to pass through for delivery.Nairn
- “I find the turmoil quite peculiar. No decision has yet been taken, not even an application for a permit,” Dutch newspaper Algemeen Dagblad quoted mayor Ahmed Asted
- More than 1,000 Dutch residents plan to throw rotten eggs at Jeff Bezos' superyacht if it ends up forcing a historic bridge be dismantled for it to pass throughutopian
- imbecile10
- LOL so true.utopian
- This is great. I also just heard that the Walton family makes $24,000 a minute, the same their average employee makes in a yeardkoblesky
- ^ it’s not THAT bad. don’t forget, they have to split that between all of the Walton’s.Gnash
- John Boy’s coke habit will rinse that plus what they owe Ike at the General Mercantile is outrageous.Morning_star
- So what's the joke?doggydoggdog
- ^^^
but 99% of you will never get it.utopian - lol morning star, how did you remember Ike hahafadein11
- @fadein11, i have an autistic recolection for 80s twee family friendly US TV. Ask me a question about Little House on the Prairie :)Morning_star
- fairplay, it brought it all back to me when I read it, big fave in our house when I was a nipper.fadein11
- utopian5
Good Oldé Capitalism at Work Here Folks
God Bless Big Tobacco and The GOP for their All Their Support!
#ThoughtsAndPrayers
- in this age of easy access to knowledge, thinking that inhaling vaporized oil and shit into ones lungs would not have consequences is rather stupidGnash
- hmm no source... have you noticed the pivot to non licensed stuff being smoked... very curiosu who is paying for these studies if its the original juul and lookdeathboy
- ing for ways to constrict competition. as far as we know of the 450 in 33 states there in no comon cause of product or anything jsut they vaped.deathboy
- My intial skepticism makes me curious how many people are hospitlaized each year for a "breathing illness" in total un vape tagged...deathboy
- i feel strongly like there is a false positive lobbying study being pushed by special interests. im not a vapor i think its dumb AF.deathboy
- but to the crux of the issue, no source. being shared as anti capitalism and anti GOP... what is the real motivation here?deathboy
- doing your part to spread fake news that supports your self interests... you ever question why you post such things? if you arent just dancing for ent ofdeathboy
- someone else. Do you strongly support the idea ecigs are a health hazard and should be banned and going back to smoking?deathboy
- so strongly that all intention of economics or party had nothing to do with it and that was your intention? the russia social shit is still fascinatingdeathboy
- https://www.cdc.gov/…
warning was posted online a week ago.uan - Vape technology has been around for years, tobacco companies only put it out so it could survive a few more.PhanLo
- Yeah, not sure wtf vaping has to do with 'Big Tobacco' or 'GOP' - it's big business now, but a massively fragmented industry with loads of independents.Nairn
- The FDA restriction of flavourings will make it so only big business can compete in this space. Nobody else could afford the studies.monNom
- Big tobacco owns most of the large Vape companies.utopian
- Vitamin E acetate, which recently has been used as a thickener, particularly in BLACK MARKET vape cartridges seems to be the culprit—not 'Big Tobacco'.PonyBoy
- He’s using a hose?
That’s vape level 9000futurefood - @deathboy has ground his axe into a mace, and now he wants to beat you over the head with it.zarb0z
- i think uan cdc article provides more insight than my adamantium +35 mace.deathboy
- can sum it up as ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ stuff is still being figured outdeathboy
- we have on correlation without any evidence or anything to back it up. havent even confirmed cases we are grouping togetherdeathboy
- either cdc is stupid or they are writing PR releases with special interests in mind. ppl here actually read the report and think OMG its dangerous? the evidencedeathboy
- is so strong! thank god they saved em and i can go back to cigarettes... sighdeathboy
- Holy shit. You don’t need a link. Just read the news about it. And there is no study. What the FUCK are you talking about? It’s lung damage from vaping. Period.monospaced
- My father was one of the doctors who diagnosed one of these cases where the kid is dying. Just two weeks ago in California.monospaced
- I can’t believe you’d say the CDC is stupid. They employ people far smarter and educated and qualified than your stupid ass. Shut the fuck up.monospaced
- wait mono you say you dont need a cdc report but beleive the cdc? cdc explicitly statesdeathboy
- pulmonary illnesses possibly related to e-cigarette product use, or “vaping,” primarily among adolescents and young adults. Many states have alerted CDC to possdeathboy
- to possible (not confirmed) cases and investigations into these cases are ongoing.deathboy
- That is PR. Reports promotig fear involving something without evidence. It's special interests. Its tabloid.deathboy
- Hell what exactly did your father diagnose for the kid? Lets start there first.you seem to know all these people with valuable info but not really doing muchdeathboy
- for argument sake. dad is a west coast doc friend who studies "cowboys". knowing someone is pointless unless you can advance an arguemnt based on knowledge ofdeathboy
- said experts and still will need scrutiny of data for facts. just how the real academic circles work.deathboy
- my argument is that they aren't idiots, and there is confirmed lung damage from vapes, you fucking retardmonospaced
- Yes, that is PR from the CDC. It's not a report you dumbass. I didn't say I don't need a repot, I'm saying there hasn't been a study. Fucking hell learn to readmonospaced
- The reports are coming in, and the studies will begin. The CDC isn't in the business of making cases, just keeping people safe. There is no conspiracy.monospaced
- And yes, my father is a prominent west coast physician of 50 years. Doctors practice medicine you idiot, they don't "study" anything. There is no motive.monospaced
- haha mono the top gov agency for protection "reports" no evidence so far. PR or reports not a difference. You state your dad diagnosed an issue.deathboy
- diagnosed a respiratory issue? As no study he couldnt relate it to anything. May make false causations since they dont "study" anything. Hey thanks for doingdeathboy
- the work on how the ill informed parse info.deathboy
- also find it funny you need to claim your dad as a prominent west coast physician.. what makes one prominent? is it prominent in the field of "study" respiradeathboy
- tory illnesses... care tp define prominence in this context or just jsut saying shit in hopes no one will ask. tell tell signs of bullshit is indirectnessdeathboy
- and you said studies will begin with no evidence stated by cdc... how have you already come to a conculsion lung damage by vape? trying to threads of reasonheredeathboy
- my hypthesis is the capitalism base and my post. no reason at all just follow the signals you are sold. since never really shown any independent thoughtdeathboy
- kingsteven6
- LOL.
This is great.palimpsest - The objet petit a is the payment of the loan (financial independence), the circus is jouissance.palimpsest
- *sniff*kingsteven
- And so and so on.palimpsest
- Haha. NiceGnash
- Slavo the Clown has a ring to itNonEntity
- https://www.youtube.…NonEntity
- Not enough sniffing and face-smearing.garbage
- this isn't capitalism its about how Nancy got a banker sugardaddy.sted
- And Nancy having a sugardaddy is not capitalism.palimpsest
- Needs more sniffChimp
- @palimpsest yes that's debatablested
- I lollednb
- Nancy has sold her body as her labour.i_monk
- LOL.
- i_monk10
- God Bless American Greed!utopian
- Netflix: The bank that runs the world.slappy
- The folk who take this at face value are a little bit stupid.Morning_star
- wasn't this stated decades ago? I remember reading someone sitting in a major meeting when they dictated it was more profitable to keep people sick...mugwart
- Indeed. The logic is that if a Pharma company create a cure that eradicates a disease completely in a couple of years their market suddenly disappears. It's....Morning_star
- ...not a sustainable business model.Morning_star
- so it's not a sustainable business model, it's still a business if you can recoup costs, cure everyone and close up shop with a tidy profit.shapesalad
- ^ and there is the problem - cost to develop a cure far exceeds the revenue it'd generate.shapesalad
- ^ but in any case, humans are surviving and reproducing too much for it to be sustainable on planet earth. Perhaps let nature, as cruel as it is, cull the weak?shapesalad
- That's horribly naive and kinda stupid to say. Just because someone was born w some problem doesn't mean they won't bring world peace or be the next Picaso.formed
- Projectile6
- Fair enough.palimpsest
- For real, this is EXACTLY the problem with capitalism. This joke will be used for fun a dozen times and then spend 500 years in the ocean choking fish.nb
- @nb, serious question: which system of economics would you suggest we adopt to solve the issues you think capitalism brings?Morning_star
- Capitalism is the fuckin' best, commie swinesbabydick
- You have to refill the dinosaur like every 2 minutes?drgs
- ^ yes, you do, but it's worth the cool factorKrassy
- must be deep because it's asking a question on the internet. you're a boring fuck, go home and burn everything you own and never touch a keyboard.sted
- commies lack imagination and they have no humor..... bring back blacklists for actors, artists and screenwriters.neverscared
- after you died alone in a cave, I'm going to give you the dignity to bury you, and eat nachos from this masterpiece on your grave.sted
- whoa whoa whoa I didn't say I had a solution or that capitalism wasn't the best idea we've got! Just explaining this, as the graphic asked me to.nb
- I'm with capitalism. Proof just a few posts ago in this very thread: https://www.qbn.com/…nb
- elonsmusk uses this set i heard.neverscared
- @nb, fair enough. :)Morning_star
- nb i hope you learned your lesson. Capitalism is a single monolithic entity that rules over us, is forged in the image of man and thus can not be improvedkingsteven
- that, or it's a term or its a pseudo religious catch-all for a bunch of contradictory economic theories drummed up to make catholics look badkingsteven
- utopian5
- Guys I don't think the trickle down is ever coming.i_monk
- InnovationNBQ00
- What a coincidence.omahadesigns
- *ask deathboyrenderedred
- it doesn't add up.oey_oey
- so it takes 0.2 trillion to bribe the government in order to pull this off?rzu-rzu
- Trickle up economicsChimp
- LESSON: money is not created or destroyed (in significant amounts.) It only moves from one place to another.nb
- Hard to add up when the formula is subtraction!noRGB
- If you get your knickers in a twist about this pretend equivalence you have no integrity.Morning_star
- Can you feed your familiy integrity? Live off integrity when you retire?i_monk
- Not sure what you mean i_monk. Are you suggesting it's ok to perpetuate bullshit comparisons to support a baseless agenda. Trump?Morning_star
- Explain what exactly you think is baseless.i_monk
- It is baseless to concluded that there is causation between the two headlines. It is baseless to also conclude that this is somehow 'capitalism'. The two...Morning_star
- ...are unconnected and unrelated. Yet it seems OK to some to try and apply causality and blame where there is none. This is exactly what Trump did.Morning_star
- [citation needed] on that unconnected/unrelate... claim.i_monk
- Are you going to contribute or are you happy being petty and evasive?Morning_star
- Says the evasive, petty propagandist.i_monk
- Yeh, didn't think so. Child.Morning_star
- Now you're just pretending the rich don't get richer by announcing mass layoffs, that corps don't spend more on stock buybacks than raises, that CEO bonuses arei_monk
- completely detached from performances, that furloughed workers still have fixed costs (with or without pandemic relief) that trickled up, that the rich don'ti_monk
- pay lower tax rates than their employees (when they pay at all), that corps were awarded pandemic relief and paid dividends anyway,i_monk
- that more and more of the global economy has shifted to precarious sub-living-wage employment while their 'contracting' (employers) spend billionsi_monk
- buying out the competition and laying off the surplus, and so on and on and on and on and on and on.i_monk
- FFS Amazon stole $61.7 million in tips from its drivers. You think that money wasn't counted as profit, and someone rewarded for doing it?i_monk
- When govts bail out industry, where do you think that money comes from? Whose services get reduced when austerity kicks in to pay for it?i_monk
- Now your turn, "child".i_monk
- Thanks dad. None of what you wrote explains the causation you insist exists between the two headlines.
The majority of the $3.7tr ‘lost’ by workers was a...Morning_star - ...direct result of the decrease in consumer spending leading to a decrease in income for businesses. To solve this jobs were lost or shifts were cancelled ...Morning_star
- ..., thus the decrease in earnings.
‘Billionaires get richer’ headlne is misleading, the assumption your making is that the ‘lost’ earnings of the workers ...Morning_star - ...is somehow finding its way into the Billionaires pockets. How exactly would that happen? the money (earnings) doesn’t exist. It hasn’t been spent by...Morning_star
- ...consumers. The ‘richer by 3.9trillion’ includes all manner of income largely unrelated to the pandemic. I would speculate that, that (3.9) figure would be...Morning_star
- ...higher if the pandemic didn’t exist. To suggest that one headline is a result of the other just isn’t true.Morning_star
- utopian5
This is how American Capitalism works!
Eastman Kodak’s top executive reportedly got Trump deal windfall on an ‘understanding.
Eastman Kodak on Monday granted its executive chairman options for 1.75 million shares.
The award was the result of what a person familiar with the arrangement described as an “understanding” with its board that had previously neither been listed in his employment contract nor made public.
One day later, the administration of President Donald Trump announced a $765 million financing deal with Eastman Kodak, and in the days that followed the stock soared, making those additional options now held by executive chairman Jim Continenza worth tens of millions.
- Yup, "shocking". Can't wait to see how many close to him bought shares, but still nothing will happen.formed
- Legends!
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As you say formed, absolutely nothing will happen. That's just the way things are.PhanLo - Can’t wait for our house idiot to school us on the matter.monospaced
- Kleptocracy_niko
- Notice COMMI Utopian didn't saw sh#t about congress selling stocks before the covid stock crash from insider trading.Hayoth
- And who cares about the stock. Cry baby.Hayoth
- This image needs to stay for every post.helloeatbreathedrive
- i love how utopian think this is capitalism. when in fact its everything he supportsdeathboy
- but the paid troll is to blatantly lie and and say one thing is something else in contextsdeathboy
- Wait. Utopian is a paid troll?PhanLo
- Why did Soros has use his billions to infiltrate a tiny forum of middle-aged graphic designers, with a viewership of 50 tops?PhanLo
- Kleptocracyneverscared
- All part of the economic plan.
https://www.goodread…monoboy - More dumb excuses from our moronic,
but favorite...side notes boy.utopian - No proof. But I'd put money on utopian account as paid work. See time and effort. Shallowness and ability to move to next post after post. Behavior to me is mondeathboy
- Over belief. Especially if someone so passionate to copy paste links with such little regard. Maybe a weird dude but pay for play makes more sensedeathboy
- Because you’re an idiot. You forgot to add that.monospaced
- Ha would calling myself an idiot make u look at my reasons? Check it. I'm an idiot. Now focus on what I'm saying. An obvious patterndeathboy
- U can disagree and show where he defends his post with reason or why his posts are hypocritical regarding topicsdeathboy
- You are totally set free now insults out of the way the world is yoursdeathboy
- Morning_star3
What puzzles and amuses me about this thread is the constant bleating-on of the left leaning QBN brethren who, for some inexplicable reason, lay ALL the ills of the modern world at the feet of one political and economic system.
The amount of virtue signalling, posturing, oh-so-trendy horse shit that is posted here with claims that - even with the most charitable and simplistic interpretation - blame a system that can't possibly be responsible.
The imperfections in the capitalist system, as well as the communist system are the humans - the fucking stupid, selfish, greedy, fucked-up, idiot, power hungry humans.
Polarising the argument is retarded and self defeating because in 3 years, 5 years, 10 years there will be trend loving, virtue signalling, shallow humans arguing the exact opposite.
The ridiculous thing is, is that capitalist/communist systems are not incompatible and a society that identifies the good things about each and nurtures them within its political and economic systems tend to blossom and bloom.- so says a commie rag ;)hans_glib
- morning star of reason...renderedred
- All marketing. It's easy to yell "socialist!", "communist!" than it is to explain that that same person that eats that up benefits from those programs.formed
- I think when people attack capitalism they are just signaling their unhappiness with the way things work currently. I agree it's silly for them to pretend theyyuekit
- all have the answers about what the best alternative is.yuekit
- Craven capitalism benefits the few, hurts the majority. It's really that simple. Leftists aren't pining for a Neo-USSR.garbage
- But the second bullshit is called on snowflake centrist argument, the conversation devolves into "virtue signaling", "posturing", or "SJW".garbage
- Are you really confused as to the extent of capitalism's influence over the modern world? What else would you blame systemic problems on, if not the systemi_monk
- that reaches into nearly every aspect of modern life, defines its values, directs its politics, and indoctrinates generations to prop it up for the benefit ofi_monk
- a diminishing handful at the top?i_monk
- A socialist country collapses (after decades of interference, embargoes, assassinations, etc) and it's somehow proof that socialism is poison to all it touches.i_monk
- But I guess millions are plunged into generational debt because they're lazy, not because capitalism makes it profitable for someone to do that to them.i_monk
- "It's not the system! Capitalism is perfect! It's the humans who are the problem!"i_monk
- No; capitalism actively incentivizes the sort of sociopathic shit that's ruining the world in the name of short-lived profit, then tells its victims theiri_monk
- poverty is a symptom of their own moral failings and character flaws.i_monk
- Yeah of course the system matters, precisely because people are flawed. Most people will just mindlessly go along with whatever system they are born into.yuekit
- However I agree with morning_star that a black and white capitalism vs. socialism divide is not necessarily the best way to think about it.yuekit
- @yuekit And that's kind of an obvious point. Morning_star subscribes to the ideas of the IDW and the Sam Harris types. It's safe to say he's a dimbulb.garbage
- @Garbage It would also be safe to say that your simplification of the 'Capitalist' problem is similarly dim. Props to you my dimbulb brother.Morning_star
- @i_monk Life is not fair and neither should it be. Capitalism cannot be sociopathic, people are sociopathic. As i said, the problem is the humans.Morning_star
- You're saying that our current incarnation of capitalism doesn't sow a greedy breeding ground for thieves that can buy their way out of punishment?garbage
- Corporations have personhood and are more powerful than nations. The people take a back seat to the bottom line.garbage
- If you can't understand that in such utterly simple terms, your bulb might be dimmer than mine.garbage
- "Life is not fair and neither should it be" sums up the sociopathy capitalism thrives on.i_monk
- communism ruined my country so I always find hilarious people from capitalist countries longing for communismernexbcn
- @i_monk. Do you think that Malaria, Volcanos, Tsunami, Multiple Sclerosis, Motor Neurone Disease etc is caused by capitalism? Do you think that communism ....Morning_star
- ...brings utopia? Even though not one single successful example can be given. The political and economic polarity you seem to yearn is myth.Morning_star
- Nobody is begging for communism, so I'm not really sure what you're getting at.garbage
- What do you want? What replaces a free market economy? Sure, more social responsibility from huge corporations is needed. And here in the UK we have ..Morning_star
- ..the monopoly commission and the financial services authority and all manner of regulatory bodies BUT business rise nd fall on their bottom line. What are...Morning_star
- ...you suggesting is the optimum solution?Morning_star
- a rebootprophetone
- A redistribution of wealth? Globally? Regionally? Who decides who gets what?Morning_star
- You already pointed out that there are many different possible combinations of socialism and free market. It's not really such a mystery, most people on theyuekit
- left just want to shift the balance towards greater social welfare and more empowerment of workers.yuekit
- Left-wingers are hardly the only ones saying the current system isn't working. Look at how quickly conservatives in the U.S. lined up behind Trump and hisyuekit
- skepticism of free trade. Or what's going on in your own country with Brexit.yuekit
- I think the disillusionment in the UK is more to do with the incompetence of all politicians regardless of their affiliation. And I agree with you that there ..Morning_star
- ...is room for criticism everywhere. My point is, is that this thread is reflective of the current on-trend political position that is essentially useless and..Morning_star
- ...decisive. The only real workable solution is, as I’ve said, a mixture of both left and right ideals.Morning_star
- i love the 'it's not the system, its the people' arguments from the right. like their belief in capitalism and distrust of others aren't one and the same.kingsteven
- i'm yet to identify one socialist on this site. at least 4 dumb as fuck extreme right anti-communists that get triggered at the thought of any social reform.kingsteven
- I indentify as a communist.deadsperm
- I don't see what's wrong with pointing out the excesses and absurdities of the current system. That's all most of the posts in this thread are doing.yuekit
- And who decided that this was a choice between only late-stage capitalism or communism?MrT
- cold-war era anti-communist propaganda equates freedom to laissez-faire capitalism and connects the dots with psychological egoism.kingsteven
- "Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself." - friedman.kingsteven
- ardent believers of capitalist doctrine are anti-communists... they see it as incompatible with their psyche.kingsteven
- that seems to be where the polarisation stems. marx knew capitalism contained the seeds for its own destruction but marxists are socially motivated so prop upkingsteven
- the system with social reform rather than let it fail.kingsteven
- not even the Germans could implement communism, they had to build a wall to prevent people from escaping their socialist paradiseernexbcn
- 3 things ernexbcn, 1. polarisation of capitalism and communism is daft (see OP and all above), 2 that's a bit xenophobic, 3. they fucking started it :Dkingsteven
- Did I say something to imply I think volcanoes are caused by capitalism? What a stupid question, part of a transparently stupid straw man construct.i_monk
- No you didn't. You did, however, imply that my observation regarding life's unfairness was a symptom of the lies and selfishness of a capitalist system. I was..Morning_star
- ...merely giving examples of things that make life very unfair that can't possibly be linked to the capitalist system. Your argument is flawed.Morning_star
- Your reading is flawed. A system that doesn't account for human nature or the 'life *should* be unfair" mentality is a flawed system. Capitalism goes beyondi_monk
- that, however, to disproportionately reward exploitation and unfairness and enshrine them as core principles.i_monk
- I wouldn't go as far as 'core principles' but i catch your drift. My question (which was asked very clumsily) is why should the economic and politicai system...Morning_star
- ...be fair? I agree it shouldn't be exploitative or oppressive etc by why fair?Morning_star
- Because either it exists to serve us or we exist to serve it. Either it is governed by our democratic equality, or democracy and equality are governed by it.i_monk
- Democracy has very little to do with it. The 'markets' along with regulatory bodies govern the businesses in a capitalists system. Consumers have a large part..Morning_star
- ...to play in the success or failure of a capitalist venture. We have the option to 'vote' with our money. The black or white scenario, we govern it, it ...Morning_star
- ...governs us, is myth.Morning_star
- How naïve.i_monk
- Just gonna leave that there are you i_monk.? No justification? no explanation? no link to inform my apparent naiveness? Unsurprising.Morning_star
- @Morning_star I'm sorry, but i_monk completely explained it. If you really want it broken down for you, I can annoyingly oblige.garbage
- Just a link will do.Morning_star
- Nah, you're just going to have to read some notes.garbage
- We are a representative democracy. Or a pshepocracy if you want to get fancy. That means that the people choose who represents us, our interests and well-being.garbage
- Our system works if it weren't for corporate personhood, which means dollars mean more than the people.garbage
- And if you want a link, here's one:
https://www.business…garbage - That would be a list of millions of dollars that Russia has pumped into our political system.garbage
- The system breaks down when we let money talk too loud. I'm not saying that there aren't corrupt Democrats, but holy shit.garbage
- The GOP is craven, and they are destroying this country.garbage
- Christ. You think i'm the naive one.Morning_star
- Do you really need examples of exceptions made for business interests, laws crafted to suit lobbyists, closed-door trade deals with industry in the room, etc?i_monk
- Gerrymandering and voter suppression of poorer neighbourhoods and demographics? Public funding of private schools? Catchment areas that exclude the poor?i_monk
- How about tax loopholes designed to be exploited by the rich/corps and the lack of political will to make them pay their share?i_monk
- How about the historical slashing of top marginal income taxes and switch to user-pays models of government service?i_monk
- Yes, you're naïve if you think Johnny Citizen speaks as loudly as any given lobbyist or corporate donation to a candidate or their tight business connections.i_monk
- I agree that everything you've just mention is true but you said it yourself, they are examples of exploitation, not the norm and not Capitalisms 'fault'. ...Morning_star
- ... In exactly the same way that Communism on paper is a fine utopian concept, however in the real world people exploit the systems leading to...Morning_star
- ...piles of very poor dead people. The examples you've given are down to the human flies in the ointment.Morning_star
- I honestly don't get your argument. You're saying that "Communism would work if not for the human element"..garbage
- ..and also saying "Look guys, the only reason Capitalism doesn't work is because we keep screwing it up, but it's better".garbage
- But you also think that people want communism and that pointing out real-world problems is just "trendy" "SJW" "virtue signaling".garbage
- https://i.imgur.com/…garbage
- As i said in the original post, i think the best solution is a mixture of both systems. To polarise the argument by claiming one is superior to the other is...Morning_star
- ...ridiculous, as the real-world systems are ultimately corrupted by humans. And the 'trendy, 'virtue signalling' tribes are out there and on here. I'm...Morning_star
- ...absolutely certain that those who were oppressed by a socialist system would be as enthusiastic about criticising it as this thread is enthusiastic about...Morning_star
- ..criticising corrupted, real-world capitalism.Morning_star
- Do you have reading problems, comprehension problems, or both? Don't answer, because I don't care.garbage
- Arrogance diminishes wisdom.Morning_star
- Faaaart.garbage
- Let me know when you arrive to a consensus.deadsperm
- Exploitation is at the heart of capitalism. It's the very core of the difference between capitalism and socialism: exploitation of labour via ownership.i_monk
- This naturally extends to flexing that ownership in the otherwise public sphere, arranging society/democracy to cater to the profitability of the owners.i_monk
- Hence lobbyists, public-private partnerships, privatization, deregulation, etc.i_monk
- shapesalad2
- When you have time to spend being gender fluid, you don't have time to manage a bank...shapesalad
- Bring your fetish to work dayi_monk
- Think ze won woman banker of the year not that long agoGnash
- They said women would make the world better. And we listened. We listened.palimpsest
- Go woke, go brokecrazyprick
- Simon beat-off materialutopian
- i suisse what you did thereAQUTE
- Good for them! If they are happy then who the fuck cares..hydro74
- All the people with money in that failing bank probably care.ETM
- you're cute.. but part of the reason was Trumps Deregulations, not because they went 'non-binary'.hydro74
- Who the fuk cares. If anything kinda cool that they're not some normal banker bro....inteliboy
- But they fucked up, both.sted
- @hydro74... I think you're thinking about SVB. Credit Suisse's issues have a long history, and have little to do with USA/Trump policies.ETM
- @ETM oh, true.. Just saw the news on the Swiss meltdownhydro74
- Large institutions like banks, spend a lot of money + time these days on woke stuff. Weekly emails on it eating up everyone’s time. Time better spent.shapesalad
- I don't imagine working with him is easy either, policing everything they say because he can claim any disagreement as 'phobia.i_monk
- Lol like they got hired because of their views are trendy and fit into the woke culture. These things don't work like in the tabloid world :)))sted
- @i_monk yeah, and results in absolutely constructive things, as we can see it.sted
- Just because they're trans doesn't mean they won't fuck the global economy in the ass.jmckinno
- hotroddy9
To honor my comrade
