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Governments throughout known western civilization have never been exactly been 'for the people'.
I get the need to cry out to them but the simple fact is they are corrupt or I in PC terms, financially influenced. Shock horror this isn't a new thing with Trump.
The only way out of this is if we, the people, take matters in our own hands. Stop eating mass farmed food. Defiantly stop eating cheap, poorly farmed food. Try and get everything direct, or as close as possible, direct from a responsible source.
Fact of the matter is majority of 'global warming' (if exist, yes I read both sides), is from the cheap meat industry. This isn't a vegan rant forcing you to "become vegan" (heaven forbid!) - I'm just saying buy your slaughtered corpse from some local farmer, one whom actually gives a shit and you can directly talk to ;-)
You also help the community by boycotting the supermarket cunts.
You also help to disable these greedy soulless pricks.
It's not easy but its also a lot of fun.
- this was response to the posts above.
Don't wait for the cure to happen to you - become it now. Fucking hate hippy quotes!mugwart
- Reality tv shows, social media, junk food, money, legal drugs...they don't want you to be awake.ApeRobot
- No they dont. We are meant to be a sleep and follow peer pressure. Disconnect, focus on your health and it will improve everyone around you.mugwart
- also I forgot to add the next part is to work out your truth. Follow that and you start to heal your mental states.mugwart
- said not in a nippy context!mugwart
- They've even masterfully manipulated it so that even talking about it is met with ridicule and people feel the need to make excuses like 'not in hippy context'set
- Love, self development, saving the planet... all the most important things... met with ridicule.set
- ... but hey if you want to talk about the football match or fucking America's got talent, game on...set
- The people that want to ridicule discussions about conspiracies, extraterrestrials, ancient technology, love of self, alternative healing, saving mother earth..set
- They'll die out like the dinosaurs eventuallyset
- "wind me up and let me go"set
- Nar nar I'm the same, but your preaching to the choir! I'm very esoteric with life but due to this public herding of people into categories I don't want to bemugwart
- lumped into the new age movement! Drives me up the wall!mugwart
- dont question authority or your a alt-right -conspiracist-mental... 'individual'mugwart
- wind me up and let me go as well ;-)mugwart
- The majority of emissions are not from the meat industry but livestock is a significant contributor. Cheapness isn't the issue but subsidised over productionlowimpakt
- Unfortunately people are sheep in a lot of ways. I think history shows that you need an enlightened minority leading the way.yuekit
- Waiting for everyone to wake up and take care for the environment, when all the incentives point in the other direction...you will be waiting a long time :/yuekit
- yeah I know ... but we are hear we are talking then the weight is on us to try the best we can.mugwart
- Lol as if 99% of downtrodden ordinary people can afford to feed themselves from source. Totally agree with the sentiments but in reality a fantasy. A fewfadein11
- enlightened individuals are not going to change anything. Change has to come from the top.fadein11
- The amount of nonsense the 'new age' movement has propagated puts the alt-right to shame. Their appropriation of quantum mechanics being a classic examplefadein11
- 1. People are sheeple and want to be lead. 2. No one cares what happens after they die. 3. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely.rabattski
- Conclusion: the earth would be way better off without humans.rabattski
- yep and that's likely the natural conclusion.fadein11
- Planet Earth definitely seems to be caught in a timeloop currently. It's like people have forgotten the 60's and to a lesser degree the 80'sfadein11
- I see the time the same as just before Hitler was become fully into power...mugwart
- "have never been exactly been" ???i_was
- You can also stop using computers, planes etc... they harm the ecosystem and the planet.i_was
- You can also stop buying to the Chinesei_was
- I think we should keep buying to the chinese. BUY TO THE CHINESE..... and keep stealing to the rich and giving from the poor.set
- choose your fight and fight it! I avoid Amazon, which made hard to me as I can only buy from two supermarkets in london and whole foods one of them!mugwart
- and sorry i_was I'm dylexic and flu bound!
have never been exactly *for* the peoplemugwart
- its not so much boycott china in a trump sense but boycott slave driven products.mugwart
- yeah because they are paid so much as it is ...
been meaning to make the time to start to learn to make my own clothes. Fucking highstreetsmugwart
- I almost exclusively shop in charity shops these days. We're really lucky in Brighton though, you find some amazing stuffset
- ^ you said it well, you're lucky. Not everyone can do that and they are left with the same poor choices they make every day.Maaku
- You can try to convince your friends and neighbors to do these things but it is more effective if change comes from the top.Maaku
- We've been hearing about this and other global issues, health related problems, etc, etc...since the 70's and look where we are.Maaku
- Change will never come from the top if we allow the same people to remain at the top... Of course change comes from grass rootsset
- ^ thats because we are all waiting for change from above. It will only come when their finances look good to changemugwart
- or what set said!mugwart
- I can't see a revolution personally, people are too apathetic these days, if netflix gets cut off people may march. I think the current system will change whenfadein11
- it collapses not through grassroots movements. It's just too powerful.fadein11
- i think thats why we are being divided and pointed to argue at each other so much. if not i think everyone would be talking to each other moremugwart
- we are not being anything other than what we are. no need for superlative conspiracy, we, and that which we perceive, is a function of us. we are all idiots.detritus
- some luckier than others.detritus
- So when is the revolution? Can we do it on Saturday? Also I need to leave around 7pm. I have a date that night.pango
- I swipe right for my revolutions.detritus
- ^^ photos or it didnt happen!mugwart
- It's going to!!pango
- 7pm is good Pango, should all be done by 8pmfadein11
- Yep Amazon is horrible.i_was
- this was response to the posts above.
Donald Trump’s Disastrous Climate Change Policy Will Have Dire Consequences
Over the weekend, EPA director Scott Pruitt announced that he would be sending a proposal to Donald Trump to rescind Obama-era regulations on the coal industry. This is another long list of things that the Trump administration wants to end in protecting the environment, and part of his plan to leave the Paris Agreement earlier this year. Many believe that these regulations hurt the American economy, but the effects on the rest of the country are far more costly.
NASA Study: Mass Gains of Antarctic Ice Sheet Greater than Losses
A new NASA study says that an increase in Antarctic snow accumulation that began 10,000 years ago is currently adding enough ice to the continent to outweigh the increased losses from its thinning glaciers.
Second garbage patch the size of Texas discovered in Pacific Ocean
"Scientists on a recent six-month expedition have discovered the presence of a second garbage patch in the South Pacific, and are saying that the plastic vortex could be bigger than the state of Texas."
Map projects where climate change will kill the most people.
Climate change is projected to cause higher mortality in many parts of the United States, according to a new report published in the journal Science.
The country as a whole could see about 5.4 more deaths per 100,000 people for every degree Celsius the temperature rises. But the South is expected to be hardest hit, with many counties in Texas and Florida seeing 20 to 40 more deaths for every 100,000 residents by the end of the century.
- Ironic how Texas and Florida will be the first to go.formed
- ironic? no. more like telling.
- etc. etc.
- yes ironic, considering they've outlawed teaching actual science about the issue theremonospaced
- You mean global warming?Hayoth
- i feel globally warmer.ApeRobot
- so the north drives industry, the south suffers yet the south are the loudest climate change deniers. perfect lol._niko
- Isn't that map fairly close to where guns kiil most people, if you bump up the red in the northeast (Chicago, etc.)?BustySaintClaire
- also the areas most in need of universal healthcare, but it's loudest opponents. Retarded._niko
MYTH 1: Global temperatures are rising at a rapid, unprecedented rate.
FACT: The HadCRUT3 surface temperature index, produced by the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia, shows warming to 1878, cooling to 1911, warming to 1941, cooling to 1964, warming to 1998 and cooling through 2011. The warming rate from 1964 to 1998 was the same as the previous warming from 1911 to 1941. Satellites, weather balloons and ground stations all show cooling since 2001. The mild warming of 0.6 to 0.8 C over the 20th century is well within the natural variations recorded in the last millennium. The ground station network suffers from an uneven distribution across the globe; the stations are preferentially located in growing urban and industrial areas ("heat islands"), which show substantially higher readings than adjacent rural areas ("land use effects"). Two science teams have shown that correcting the surface temperature record for the effects of urban development would reduce the reported warming trend over land from 1980 by half. See here.
There has been no catastrophic warming recorded.
MYTH 2: The "hockey stick" graph proves that the earth has experienced a steady, very gradual temperature decrease for 1000 years, then recently began a sudden increase.
FACT: Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout geologic time. For instance, the Medieval Warm Period, from around 1000 to1200 AD (when the Vikings farmed on Greenland) was followed by a period known as the Little Ice Age. Since the end of the 17th Century the "average global temperature" has been rising at the low steady rate mentioned above; although from 1940 – 1970 temperatures actually dropped, leading to a Global Cooling scare.
The "hockey stick", a poster boy of both the UN's IPCC and Canada's Environment Department, ignores historical recorded climatic swings, and has now also been proven to be flawed and statistically unreliable as well. It is a computer construct and a faulty one at that. See here for more information.
MYTH 3: Human produced carbon dioxide has increased over the last 100 years, adding to the Greenhouse effect, thus causing most of the earth's warming of the last 100 years.
FACT: Carbon dioxide levels have indeed changed for various reasons, human and otherwise, just as they have throughout geologic time. Since the beginning of the industrial revolution, the CO2 content of the atmosphere has increased by about 120 part per million (ppm), most of which is likely due to human-caused CO2 emissions. The RATE of growth during this century has been about 0.55%/year. However, there is no proof that CO2 is the main driver of global warming. As measured in ice cores dated over many thousands of years, CO2 levels move up and down AFTER the temperature has done so, and thus are the RESULT OF, NOT THE CAUSE of warming. Geological field work in recent sediments confirms this causal relationship. There is solid evidence that, as temperatures move up and down naturally and cyclically through solar radiation, orbital and galactic influences, the warming surface layers of the earth's oceans expel more CO2 as a result.
MYTH 4: CO2 is the most common greenhouse gas.
FACT: Greenhouse gases form about 3% of the atmosphere by volume. They consist of varying amounts, (about 97%) of water vapour and clouds, with the remainder being gases like CO2, CH4, Ozone and N2O, of which carbon dioxide is the largest amount. Hence, CO2 constitutes about 0.04% of the atmosphere. While the minor gases are more effective as "greenhouse agents" than water vapour and clouds, the latter are overwhelming the effect by their sheer volume and – in the end – are thought to be responsible for 75% of the "Greenhouse effect". (See here) At current concentrations, a 3% change of water vapour in the atmosphere would have the same effect as a 100% change in CO2.
Those attributing climate change to CO2 rarely mention these important facts.
MYTH 5: Computer models verify that CO2 increases will cause significant global warming.
FACT: The computer models assume that CO2 is the primary climate driver, and that the Sun has an insignificant effect on climate. Using the output of a model to verify its initial assumption is committing the logical fallacy of circular reasoning. Computer models can be made to roughly match the 20th century temperature rise by adjusting many input parameters and using strong positive feedbacks. They do not "prove" anything. Also, computer models predicting global warming are incapable of properly including the effects of the sun, cosmic rays and the clouds. The sun is a major cause of temperature variation on the earth surface as its received radiation changes all the time, This happens largely in cyclical fashion. The number and the lengths in time of sunspots can be correlated very closely with average temperatures on earth, e.g. the Little Ice Age and the Medieval Warm Period. Varying intensity of solar heat radiation affects the surface temperature of the oceans and the currents. Warmer ocean water expels gases, some of which are CO2. Solar radiation interferes with the cosmic ray flux, thus influencing the amount ionized nuclei which control cloud cover.
MYTH 6: The United Nations' Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) has proven that man–made CO2 causes global warming.
FACT: In a 1996 report by the UN on global warming, two statements were deleted from the final draft approved and accepted by a panel of scientists. Here they are:
1) “None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed climate changes to increases in greenhouse gases.”
2) “No study to date has positively attributed all or part of the climate change to man–made causes”
To the present day there is still no scientific proof that man-made CO2 causes significant global warming.
See a Wall Street Journal article here.
MYTH 7: CO2 is a pollutant.
FACT: This is absolutely not true. Nitrogen forms 80% of our atmosphere. We could not live in 100% nitrogen either. Carbon dioxide is no more a pollutant than nitrogen is. CO2 is essential to life on earth. It is necessary for plant growth since increased CO2 intake as a result of increased atmospheric concentration causes many trees and other plants to grow more vigorously. Unfortunately, the Canadian Government has included CO2 with a number of truly toxic and noxious substances listed by the Environmental Protection Act, only as their means to politically control it. The graph here shows changes in vegetative cover due to CO2 fertilization between 1982 and 2010 (Donohue et al., 2013 GRL). A major study here shows that CO2 fertilization will likely increase the value of crop production between now and 2050 by an additional $11.7 trillion ($US 2014). See here for more discussion.
MYTH 8: Global warming will cause more storms and other weather extremes.
FACT: There is no scientific or statistical evidence whatsoever that supports such claims on a global scale. Regional variations may occur. Growing insurance and infrastructure repair costs, particularly in coastal areas, are sometimes claimed to be the result of increasing frequency and severity of storms, whereas in reality they are a function of increasing population density, escalating development value, and ever more media reporting. See here for graphs and discussion of extreme weather.
MYTH 9: Receding glaciers and the calving of ice shelves are proof of man-made global warming.
FACT: Glaciers have been receding and growing cyclically for hundreds of years. Recent glacier melting is a consequence of coming out of the very cool period of the Little Ice Age. Ice shelves have been breaking off for centuries. Scientists know of at least 33 periods of glaciers growing and then retreating. It’s normal. Besides, changes to glacier's extent is dependent as much on precipitation as on temperature.
MYTH 10: The earth’s poles are warming and the polar ice caps are breaking up and melting.
FACT: The earth is variable. The Arctic Region had warmed from 1966 to 2005, due to cyclic events in the Pacific Ocean and soot from Asia darkening the ice, but there has been no warming since 2005. Current temperatures are the same as in 1943. The small Palmer Peninsula of Antarctica is getting warmer, while the main Antarctic continent is actually cooling. Ice cap thicknesses in both Greenland and Antarctica are increasing. North polar temperature graph here. South polar temperature graph here. See here for sea ice extent.
More FACTS and MYTHS? See what Professor deFreitas has to say. Click here.
- fact 1 - what happens if you put an ice cube in your tea that's on fire, the tea cools down for a period before boiling up again. if it's not warming up nowBeeswax
- it's because you're melting your ice cubes.Beeswax
- Regardless of your view of cause, environmental problems and weather severity are on the rise and still need to be addressed in some form.ETM
- Even if it were 100% natural, we can work to not exacerbate the situation through better practices, and we still need to work to address the net results,ETM
- despite cause or origin.ETM
- ^ agreed.mugwart
- A lot of these "facts" are just not true at all.monospaced
- FACT: Putting the word "Fact" at the beginning of the sentence instantly makes it a true fact.Chimp
- MYTH: People Care.imbecile
- young dumb and full of cum!moldero
- Whatever you believe or not in human global warming... trying to reduce CO2 emission is not a bad idea. Precautionary principle...gonzalle
Arctic stronghold of world’s seeds flooded after permafrost melts.
It was designed as an impregnable deep-freeze to protect the world’s most precious seeds from any global disaster and ensure humanity’s food supply forever. But the Global Seed Vault, buried in a mountain deep inside the Arctic circle, has been breached after global warming produced extraordinary temperatures over the winter, sending meltwater gushing into the entrance tunnel.
- Fail of the day?Maaku
- who in the fuck would put it there?teh
- The scientists' who never would of thought that the North Pole would melt...but global warming is proving everyone wrong, except Trump and the GOP.utopian
- lol fucking shit. fail of the century.sarahfailin
- what's the problem? plant these seeds near the vaultdrgs
- lol at not making it water proofset
- Haha, stoopid HumAnzrobthelad
- One job!!!futurefood
- And this thing was only built what, 8 years ago?ETM
- Because melting ice caps is funny.face_melter
- It's okay, warm ice is make water, we iz water mostly. Winz.robthelad
- The seeds are safe. Sensationalist headline. Just look it up.ESKEMA
Rapid warming and disintegrating polar ice sets the stage for ‘societal collapse
Carbon pollution is destabilizing both the Arctic and Antarctic.
The Arctic and Antarctic are seeing an accelerated collapse of both sea and land ice.
When you add in Trump’s aggressive agenda to undo both domestic and global climate action, we are facing the worst-case scenario for climate change — and one new study finds that the worst case is “societal collapse.”
The unprecedented drop in global sea ice we reported on last month has continued. Arctic sea ice reached a new record low, the National Snow and Ice Data Center (NSIDC) reports.
"Drill Baby Drill" - GOP
Iceberg the size of Delaware to break off from Antarctica
A large sheet of ice is set to break away from Antarctica and scientists say it will be one of the largest breaks of its kind recorded.
Larsen C -- a sprawling sheet of ice in western Antarctica -- is currently attached to its parent shelf by 20 kilometers (12.4 miles) of ice, according to UK-based research team Project MIDAS.
Once it splits, the crack will produce an iceberg around 5,000 square kilometers (1,930 square miles) -- approximately the size of the state of Delaware.