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A newly unearthed journal from 1966 shows the coal industry, like the oil industry, was long aware of the threat of climate change.
“Exxon knew.” Thanks to the work of activists and journalists, those two words have rocked the politics of climate change in recent years, as investigations revealed the extent to which giants like Exxon Mobil and Shell were aware of the danger of rising greenhouse gas emissions even as they undermined the work of scientists.
But the coal industry knew, too — as early as 1966, a newly unearthed journal shows.
In August, Chris Cherry, a professor in the Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering at the University of Tennessee, Knoxville, salvaged a large volume from a stack of vintage journals that a fellow faculty member was about to toss out. He was drawn to a 1966 copy of the industry publication Mining Congress Journal; his father-in-law had been in the industry and he thought it might be an interesting memento.
- How could pumping all the shit from the ground into the air not change the environment? Even without scientists, research and journals, it's fucking obvious.inteliboy
- I would have thought California's smog of the 1950s put an end to this debate?!? https://www.washingt…whatthefunk
- People don't care about anything but their own asses. Just look at the length people are going to excuse our Chief Clown. People are dumb, people are lazy.formed
- im pretty certain at a point many coastal cities will be effected by climate change. what i question is the idea humans can stop that from happening. up theredeathboy
- with human sacrifice and chanting of irrational witch doctor shit.deathboy
- and yet so many people jump on the band wagon of any witch doctor that promises no change with a little blood magic of a sortdeathboy
So twitter’s new ban on political ads has had the unfortunate side-effect of also banning ads from groups that are fighting climate change.
So exhausting. It’s science not politics. As long as this issue is conflated this way nothing will change (aside from the climate)
- Completely agreed. It's just one big UGH at this point.garbage
- "It’s science not politics" - you my friend have no clue.pr2
- The fact that it is seen as a political issue is a triumph of modern marketing sadly. Oil companies spent a huge amount of money to make it seem that way.yuekit
- Lol, pr2, you certainly have the lock on cluesGnash
- Can we just get rid of twitter?i_monk
- @i_monk +1
..and FB while we're at itKrassy
- climate forecasting is modelling; not science, which is hypothesis-theory-me... (replicate)-test-val...BustySaintClaire
- @BustySaintClaire is speed science when predicting the outcome of a vehicle going fast? and modeling an outcome unless breaks are installed?Krassy
- It's really more like predicting how fast that vehicle will be going next Tuesday.monNom
- You realize science is 100%, entirely, all about predicting outcomes of phenomena, yes?i_monk
- ^ thisGnash
- forecasting models represent the actual scientific method at workmonospaced
- The only reason to deny this science is if you've been brainwashed to do so by anti-science religious conservatives. That seems to be the group behind it all.monospaced
- I wouldn’t go as far as including a religious element, profits are enough of an incentive to deny the scienceGnash
- True. But those people not profiting who still deny it ...monospaced
- and all the models put forth in the last 50 years have been without a doubt accurate? models are not hard science. more along lines of social sciencedeathboy
- mostly opinion and bias based on donors criteria. There is more data in stock markets and yet that seems impossbile to predictdeathboy
- Oh boy, you got so close to understanding something. So close.garbage
- The hypocrisy of "mostly opinion and bias based on donors[sic] criteria" from someone denying near-unanimity among scientists in favour ofi_monk
- a position that's *entirely* opinion and bias based on industrialists' criteria.i_monk
are you worried about rising sea levels?
if so i have a solution to keep you all occupied: LEARN TO SWIM
- Do you have a link to this data? looks interesting. We need to start building that extra 0.7237 of an earth soon or we're fucked!Ianbolton
- spaceX, China National Space Administration, Indian Space Research Organisation...all looking at extraterrestrial possibilitiesuan
- Considering we talk of the miracle that our planet is so perfect for our own existence, the possibilities of terraforming Mars - for example, sounds a little...Ianbolton
- first it's about survival...later generations can enjoy a comfortable next 1st world life.uan
- meanwhile newly developed technology from space will help make 20th cent. consumerism culture on the planet obsolete. in 1-3 generations maybe.uan
- @ianbolton: https://www.theworld… etc etchans_glib
- Wait. How are we on 7.7Bn population already? I thought we'd not long-since hit 7Bn?!Nairn
- Cheers Hans. Positives of that though is if we take all the sea life out the sea would that mean sea levels will fall so we'll all be safe?Ianbolton
- Nairn... it's pretty obvious the patriarchy is winning!Ianbolton
- Wolrld population has doubled in my lifetime. If I reach my mom's age, I expect it will have halved by then.nuggler
Rising Sea Levels Could Destroy These Coastal Cities by 2050, Threatening Hundreds of Millions
Rising Sea Levels To Affect 3 Times More People Than Once Feared: Study
Climate change scientists say rising seas will flood three times more people than previously thought
- these maps never show sea levels 1-2k years ago :(sted
- @sted Are you seriously suggesting we should consider what 2000-year-old maps have to say? Cartography wasn't even a serious science until the 1600s.garbage
- The old maps were less about sea levels, more about sea monsters.garbage
- @garbage lol sea monsters :D
we know a lot about what happened from the soil/ground layers in these areas :)sted
- Holy shit, the cloud patterns are exactly the same - what are the chances?!
What does it mean?Nairn
- or wait lol @ utopian.. stuff like this makes it hard to take you seriously you understand rightdeathboy
- @deathboy...no one here takes you seriouslyutopian
- well utopian again hard to take you serious on that statement... where is your data? best to speak for oneself before making statements you can't backdeathboy
- @Nairn: it's cyclic. like the earth around the sun or the moon around the earth...just a bit longer (39 years)uan
- or uan its lazy photoshop copy pasta and means nothing...deathboy
- Holy shit, the cloud patterns are exactly the same - what are the chances?!
- Judith Curry retired 2.5 years ago. That's one of many reasons she's had no media coverage.e-wo
- I hope you will find a way to cultivate a more open mind and not entrench into this position.e-wo
- "repeatedly uses angry distorted face of girl with Asperger's syndrome in every depiction of her" - Media Manipulationutopian
I dont think anything gonna change soon. we're all too deep into the capitalist system. just look around you.
each time an american buy an electric car, 10 Indians and Chinese buy a SUV, this is just one example.
and the cause has been associated to the Left ... all the Right despise anything regarding climate change... so that's a lot of people who dont give a shit and just think its all fake news.
Things will start to really change when the new generation will get the political power... in like 20-35 years ...
so yeah, good luck to all of us.
- and people will act when it personally touch them in their daily routine. because its not obvious enough yet for the masses.Bennn
- nothings going to change soon because the process of climate change is well under way, pretty much unstoppable at this rate.hans_glib
- We don't all not care about the environment on the right ok. You should stop being so judgemental of people who don't think like you, you might learn something.zarkonite
- Well, the majority of the Right doesnt believe/care in Climate change. Not all Righties. Sorry zarkonite.Bennn
- Once there's huge population shifts folk will maybe believe, but by then they'll be setting up concentration camps to get rid of the refugees.PhanLo
- The opinion you just wrote is almost exactly what the right is saying, Canada is small and other than being nice there's not much we can do to help with thezarkonite
- problem. In the meantime the carbon tax is useless and just makes people suffer.zarkonite
- Lol Zarkon, there's plenty people can do, but no one's planning fuck all. Just deal with it when it comes.PhanLo
- LOL Phanlo. All of Canada produces under 1.6% of global emissions, you could nuke this entire country and the impact wouldn't register.zarkonite
- Just start dumping your rubbish in rivers and feeding bears plastic. Canada is too clean.PhanLo
- i wonder where you would be without capitalism benn. or how it really provides in your daily lifedeathboy
- look at boris yeltsin jsut walking in a us supermarket.deathboy
Meet the Money Behind The Climate Denial Movement
There is a very well-funded, well-orchestrated climate change-denial movement, one funded by powerful people with very deep pockets. In a new and incredibly thorough study, Drexel University sociologist Robert Brulle took a deep dive into the financial structure of the climate deniers, to see who is holding the purse strings.
According to Brulle's research, the 91 think tanks and advocacy organizations and trade associations that make up the American climate denial industry pull down just shy of a billion dollars each year, money used to lobby or sway public opinion on climate change and other issues.
“The anti-climate effort has been largely underwritten by conservative billionaires,” says the Guardian, “often working through secretive funding networks. They have displaced corporations as the prime supporters of 91 think tanks, advocacy groups and industry associations which have worked to block action on climate change.”
- Nearly a billion dollars a year is flowing into the organized climate change counter-movement. Thanks Republitards!utopian
- yeah but those greedy scientists.inteliboy
- And the money behind the climate religion movement? You idiot.Hayoth
- there is a case to fund lobbyists to battle nonsense. curiosu about the cliamte "denial" label though. Is the money truely provided by climate change deniers...deathboy
- the same outcome of peopel who believe they can control climate through regulation and keep a status quo...deathboy
- you don't fund lobbyists to battle nonsense. you hire lobbyists to push your own business' interests.uan
- politics is business uan. it deosnt need to make sense if its an issue to be sold and campaigned upondeathboy
- also there is quite a business in carbon credits. hell fuzzy fincials helped float tesla to an illusion of profitdeathboy
- but it was just millions sold to casino to reduce tax incomes while providing money to losing businessdeathboy
- and as a company take subaru and arbitrary mpg levels fucking up cars and making people take shortcuts as the only way ( also VW). is it in best interests fordeathboy
- hakf engineered solutions to arbitrary probels that create faulty transmission or unstable motors? it is in business interestes to fight arbitrary legislationdeathboy
- because it changes the market. no longer is developing the best product ppl want to buy the goal. its making profit on a product behind arbitray goals and ruledeathboy
- in some cases developing a product no one wants and taking tax credits for it as ony profit.deathboy
- doesn't change the fact that polluting the planet is bad for you and the rest of us. but hey, go on singing your 'free markets' anthem.uan
- it doesn't matter, because green technology is superior and will succeed.uan
- Relax, Brulle's also studying the money behind the climate change and environmentalist movements.i_monk
- I know you rightwingers are all about 'balance' and 'both sides'.i_monk
- @hayoth "Climate religion movement"? Wow you're dumb.garbage
- And yay, we get to play the deathboy game. First word, last word, don't read anything in between.garbage
- "There profit."garbage
- haha uan way to move the goal post. yes uan polluting is "bad" for all we know to our current existence. But to ignore free markets and go all dictatorshipdeathboy
- and medievel in the name of all that is green is retarded. even half steppin with subsidies has been a waste that only helped the upper social class while imposdeathboy
- ing greater costs on the lower class. have u ever wondered if the balance between rich and poor in the eco realm of free amrket is those with the most to losedeathboy
- might try to have cake and eat it too financing regualtion that benefits them and hurts the majority all for a "greater" causedeathboy
- "haha cause"garbage
- these flippin looser redumblicas are already as horrific as the climate will become..neverscared
- haha whos a redumblicas never? sound like a old bat saying the mexican help are stealing but she has no help.deathboy
- "these help"garbage
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- haha garbage act like you cant understand what i said becuase of punctuation. oh shit i didnt capitalize my i either u madd brodeathboy
- if you want to discredit what im saying craft an arguement or provide something of substance or you keep doing u. just seems juvenile and uncouthdeathboy
- You haven't said anything of substance yet.i_monk
- wait all my comments about nature of lobbyists and sides had no substance? what do i need to provide numbers of pro climate change proceeds. i believe its moredeathboy
- than the "anti" by a large sumdeathboy
- That would be a start. You make a lot of unsubstantiated claims in these threads and ask everyone to disprove you, begging the question.i_monk
Gawd Bless Merica
An Iowa teacher who said he wouldn't attend a climate rally featuring Greta Thunberg because he didn't have his 'sniper rifle' has been put on leave.
- Poor #MAGA fella got triggeredutopian
- Triggered by a teenage girlutopian
- welcome to #MAGA Countryutopian
- Whiny little bitch.ideaist
- There is no problem, great or small that cannot be solved with a man and a gun. That's how we'll deal with the rising sea levels. Guy's a geniusPhanLo
- Well Caligula did once try to go to war with Poseidon by having his army attack the water with their swords, so not much has changed it seems._niko
- jeeze, and he was the science teacher too.sarahfailin
- ^^^ That's the worst part.section_014
- a science teacher who can make a joke. this is getting a bit winnie the poo right. maybe journalism could ask the question with you science background how dodeathboy
- you disagree? i clearly don't believe you are going to be violent referencing something you dont own... get itdeathboy
- but than again its iowa...deathboy