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- grafician-2
"Apple unveils new Mac Studio, the most powerful Mac ever, featuring M4 Max and new M3 Ultra"
- M3 Ultra goes up to 512GB RAMgrafician
- But will wait for next 1TB RAM versions then running LLMs locally will be greatgrafician
- i mean a 512GB could theoretically run a model of 200 million parameterskingsteven
- Llama for sure, but for R1 I think you need more, so 1TB RAM next iteration should do it to have good performancegrafician
- RI is 671B parameters, so you'd really need 2TBkingsteven
- although, the more, the better.kingsteven
- Found the specs to run R1 models:
https://apxml.com/po…grafician - yeah 1,543 GB so would require 2TBkingsteven
- looks like DeepSeek-R1-Zero = 671B ~436 GB would run on the M3 Ultra 512GBkingsteven
- crazy specs though if it can compete with 6 x A100 80GB in any way - thats a datacenter with $200k of hardwarekingsteven
- Saying that, i've seen people build systems to run R1 locally for £2k and it looks to be fast enough for personal use.kingsteven
- grafician-5
Macbook Air M4
"The 13‑inch MacBook Air is the ultimate on-the-go laptop, and the 15‑inch model gives you even more space onscreen for multitasking."
- grafician-4
- I’m sure by 2027, Apple will have finally mastered the complex art of integrating Apple AI & Siri into their budget-friendly, mass-produced Chinese cube.utopian
- lol just say you can't afford onegrafician
- Ok but the Accessory Kit is $12,599 of thi********
- if you can live with 4TB internal storage, this drops to like $10k. Not bad considering the typical costs associated with half a terabyte of rammonNom
- You may never have to close a chrome tab again...monNom
- Most of that price is the SSDmonospaced
- Drop it down to 1GB storage and it’s down to $9500. Cut RAM to 256 and it’s only $7k.monospaced
- What idiot besides Grafican, would spend 15k on a computer that will be obsolete in 1 years time?utopian
- I think 512gb ram would allow you to run the full deepseek r1. Consider it $1,000/mo. If you’ve got a business case for it, maybe that’s a reasonable cost.monNom
- A server with that much memory would probably be 3x the cost. GPUs 10-30x the cost. The Mac is gonna be slower than gpus, but accessible to many more people.monNom
- Yes, that's the idea, you can run locally pretty much anything with that kind of specs.grafician
- This is going the way of the infamous trash can.formed
- inteliboy2
The little email AI summary in Apple mail at first seemed super useful.... and quite on point...
Though now the feed is bumping random emails up to the top of the pile, out of sequential order, not by date... which is really weird for email. And the AI with summary sits below the email header.... as if it's the body of the email. So it looks like there's these fresh emails coming through. What kinda confusing irritating dog shit design is this?
- fadein110
Can anyone recommend some good external monitors for a mac mini I may be getting.
My iMac has died suddenly and it's probably not going to be worth repairing as it's an Intel and quite old now. Although I am going to get it checked.
I could get a display for my macbook Air but although great for nearly everything, I do fancy getting a mac mini now. Anything above the base model soon gets pricey though.
The Apple display would be my first choice but it's just too expensive to justify I think.
- https://www.asus.com…kingsteven
- asus new 5k monitor, well priced. probably what i would go for if i was buying right now.kingsteven
- I've got two of these on an adjustable mount behind my desk. https://www.amazon.c…mg33
- if you're doing mostly web work, Dell UltraSharp 27" 16:9 4K IPS LED Monitor [U2723QE] is more than enough_niko
- honestly get anything that looks cool in your office, they all work about the same. I have a 10 year old $250 Samsung that I have 0 complaints with._niko
- thanks all. food for thought there. Yep niko, it is mostly web, v.rare print. super accurate colour is not essential, although I would like similar quality tofadein11
- those great iMac screensfadein11
- I bought the 43" LG 4K (43SQ700S) display a couple years ago for $497 and love it. https://a.co/d/e0l5Q…utopian
- feel like we would all have 5k monitors if there had been a good option under $1k, osx is designed to use 5k its why the imac and studio display look so good...kingsteven
- definitely check reviews of that new acerkingsteven
- They have newer ones, but I'm really happy with it.mg33
- I'd love the Apple monitors, but you can't easily switch between computers on them, which is dumb.mg33
- DELL U2723QE only slightly less good than the Studio Display except no webcam. Good price, 4k almost as good as 5k. Good colors********
- ooh, thanks nb and everyone else. Lots to look at :)fadein11
- I use the Apple at work and the Dell at home. Apple is nicer but very glossy reflective and has no power button which makes it awful in my room********
- I have that Dell. Just the older version. Great display and USB C also charges the Mac, so only one cable :)monospaced
- macOS isn’t optimized for 5k specifically, it just happens to handle it as well as it does 4k and below. It scales everything up anyway.monospaced
- 5k is 2:1 scaling so with a 27" 5k everything is sharp and text is a legible and sharp on the smallest default zoom setting, just as it is on a 5k iMac or applekingsteven
- 's own displays. when you use 4k the scaling is not bad (but arguably not quite as sharp) and scaling options are slightly too small and slightly too big.kingsteven
- it's not a huge deal, but the new acer 5k is £800 - same price as i paid for my Benq 4kkingsteven
- Yep. I use 4k and 5k and a good designer’s eye will easily see the difference. But the 4k is passable and the 5k isn’t work an extra grand imo********
- Curious about that new Acer now though. Reasonable price.********
- I’ve been using BENQ’s these past years; great colour and affordable, BUT I’ve cracked a few screens with small movements...ideaist
- ...I’d consider something a bit sturdier moving forward; Apple’s lowest priced offering is nice. BUT as expensive as the computer itself!ideaist
- shell out for the Benq its worth itcannonball1978
- 5k is 2:1 in what sense? Native is native regardless of what resolution it is.monospaced
- A 4k running at 4k isn’t scaled at all. It’s as sharp as you can imagine and has NOTHING to do with what macOS prefers.monospaced
- and yet the studio display and iMac displays are noticeably better? there are multiple factors at play, there is a sweet spot where osx looks better and forkingsteven
- 27" this is 5k. there are multiple articles on how apple chooses its resolutions for laptops, desktops, external displays. i'm not sure why you are insistingkingsteven
- apple is wrong... they don't use 4k (3840x2160) 27" panels in any device for good reason.kingsteven
- I just got the latest BenQ 27" 5k screen. It's an upgrade from the LG Ultrafine 27" 5k, nicer panel and colour specs.robthelad
- NBQ00-2
PC laptops are just so ugly. Whenever I see people with ThinkPads or HP's/ Dell's I feel sorry for them to not have a MacBook Pro/ Air.
- mac = slow, overpriced, OS for non tech savvy, but hey it's pretty.YakuZoku
- laptops as a whole are kinda shitty to work with, 1 maybe 2 monitors lolYakuZoku
- Mac slow? Have you been on it since the Arm based SoC M1 launch?NBQ00
- how fast are those compared to a similar priced custom built PC? yeah, that's what I thought.YakuZoku
- I was all about mac till i got into building VR environments, 12 hour renders vs 15 minutes.YakuZoku
- pre-built PC's are kinda shitty and marked up though, I've been back to building my own for like 8 years nowYakuZoku
- If I found myself in the heavy file rendering world again I'd def jump to a PC... I'm mac-based simply because 99% of my clients / agencies arePonyBoy
- Does your racism/arrogance have no boundaries. You literally want everyone to be like you?Ianbolton
- You know, you can rent render farms in the clouds™grafician
- And yes, the M generation Macs are way better than any PC at the same cash. Try to build a custom Dell or HP at the same price as a Studiografician
- Dell? HP? that is shit mang! render farms? pay for someone else to use their system when you can build your own? bruhYakuZoku
- bad advice man.YakuZoku
- https://i.imgflip.co…YakuZoku
- if you bothered to actually read what i posted "pre-built PC's are kinda shitty and marked up" Dell & HP falls into that category bruhYakuZoku
- still cracking up about "render farms"
get a brain moranYakuZoku - sometimes I think you post bad info here just to sabotage other designersYakuZoku
- Welcome to 2025 https://aws.amazon.c…grafician
- Precision 7780 Workstation - AI Ready
$6,839.00 64GB 2TB
MB Pro M4 Max 64 2TB $4,599.00
Any more comments?grafician - Can you build yourself a custom laptop PC in that money?
And I'm the moron?
Get a grip mangrafician - And you think I post to "sabotage other designers" LOL I post sources for most of my factual posts, you can check them yourselfgrafician
- Btw this was a discussion ABOUT LAPTOPS not custom rigs don't tell me to bother to readgrafician
- Oh and I'm not even an Apple fanboy, I just use the best machine for my jobs
I actually like Sony designs since my first walkmangrafician - apple better than a PC at the same price, but buy a mac laptop and use a PC in the cloud. got it :)kingsteven
- back to the OP though, everyone has the same mbp and ipad as me and it bothers me find myself oogling nice PC laptops on the train.kingsteven
- lol @ those specs graf, they look like the same specs I built for my daughter's rig for under $1kYakuZoku
- I do check your posts, 80% of them are wrong, you read headlines, post, repeat.YakuZoku
- & LOL @ "my jobs" you don't work man, you spend all your time posting hereYakuZoku
- I still love you and upvote you though, even though you talk out of your ass most of the time.YakuZoku
- What part of LAPTOPS do you not get?grafician
- As for the rest you said, it's ALL YOU and your opinions man
All the rest of the people here post the same, you just focus more on me for some reasongrafician - The convo switched from laptops to Mac vs PC, and you're trying to bring it back to laptops, you don't build laptops moron LOLYakuZoku
- Posting as much as you do, you will get more attention, that's just how it worksYakuZoku
- No, you tried to switch to whatever the fuck you thought you had a little experience and I corrected you.
Yes, you can't build laptops, I already said thatgrafician - Anyways have a great Friday night brother, I'm about to eat 4 grams of shrooms right now :pYakuZoku
- So what part of my comments was wrong when I backed up with links and actual prices?
Stick to OP next time, you're not the IT guy around heregrafician - Good luck at whatever makes you happy
Ciaografician - You corrected me? Lol, I'm pretty sure it's the other way aroundYakuZoku
- And you said I'm always after you? You jumped in on this convo that had nothing to do with youYakuZoku
- You saying a Mac at a certain price point is equal or faster than a PC at the same price point shows how much you actually knowYakuZoku
- But that's your style, we all know that. A know it all ChihuahuaYakuZoku
- I'm still cracking up about render farms, that's like paying Dropbox for personal use instead of buying a hard driveYakuZoku
- graf can't admit he's wrong so he digs a hole in the sidenotes. but a M4 Max MBP (£4k) is comparable performance to RTX4070 pc laptop (£1.5k) for most graphicalkingsteven
- tasks. a mid-level, previous generation, mobile graphics card. a desktop with 4070 is 40% faster than the laptop and a desktop 4090 is 80% faster againkingsteven
- Comparing a Mac laptop (fast af btw) to a custom desktop pc is stupid. One is a sexy efficient portable machine. The other is a big loud mess of cablesmonospaced
- Yeah it might be able to render fast, but it isn’t portable or useful beyond that desk. And pc laptops are clunky compared to them.monospaced
- At entry level, no pc laptops can get close to a Mac. For that he’s right.monospaced
- Shallow as a puddle on a sunny day.Nairn
- No was comparing Mac laptop to any PC laptop and Mac will be better chillgrafician
- the discussion was about laptopsgrafician
- So you can stick your PC rig up your ass Moldy and still can't come up with a decent price for anything like a Mac laptopgrafician
- thank you monospaced, you know your shitgrafician
- and still yes render farms in the clouds are the main go to for most studios that do ads and whatever, who tf builds custom rigs over a week on a tight deadlinegrafician
- *you're.Nairn
- Soz. Couldn't help myself.Nairn
- Sure Nairn, np bro, but curious, do you render on a Mac or PC laptop? :))grafician
- know your shit is know your shitgrafician
- So Moldy do you render your AI videos on your custom rig or do you prompt in the sky a render farm to give a piece of video to download and edit?grafician
- Do you even own a M series laptop bro? Cope hardergrafician
- Go buy a M series Mac laptop then come back and comment heregrafician
- So another thing if you push PC rig vs. Macgrafician
- To run R1 model you need 2x Mac studios 512GB for 1TB or RAM? That's $30Kgrafician
- To run the same model on nvidia you need 16 x nvidia A100s 80GB $24,879.00 on amazongrafician
- Specs for R1 https://apxml.com/po…grafician
- Again, you're not the IT guy around here, go buy a M series laptop and stfu about your PC rigsgrafician
- bringing R1 in to this is an extra layer of silliness because you can run full R1 on a $2k CPU only PC rig at 4 t/s which is fast enough for personal usekingsteven
- for context a dual m4 rig is 15x the price and 5x the tokens/s, a H200 rig is 100x the price and and run at 1000x the tokens/s.kingsteven
- The full model? Really? Can you share the specs on that?grafician
- The point of mentioning R1 was that you can run it fast and locally and cheaply than PC with nvidia specialized cardsgrafician
- https://digitalspace…kingsteven
- there are also people running the full model accelerated with NVIDIA cards, it's just slower than doing it with CPU only (for now)kingsteven
- only rumours for now but good chance there will be consumer rigs within months which will put an end to this newfound apple superiority (at one really specifickingsteven
- unfeasibly expensive thing). I am an apple fan, love my MBP, osx and how efficient it is but i'd put my 5 yr old PC with 4070Ti up against any M4kingsteven
- 99% of PCs are shitboxes but the idea of Macs being able to outperform a comparably priced PC (laptop or otherwise) is just wrong.kingsteven
- one example, i produce motion graphics in 4k on my pc (much quicker on PC), i use prores because i need an alpha channel (quicker to decode on Mac)kingsteven
- this is where I start to think an m4 would be to my advantage but no, at least for me there is stream footage which needs upscaled, encoded. 1 million littlekingsteven
- things which require, or will be twice as fast with NVIDIA hardware acceleration (and not in the cloud). If I ever do require 8 simultaneous 8k feeds or whatevekingsteven
- r apple claims the m4 pros can handle, or i require more single core CPU power (why I use my mbp for music) or fast CPU memory then I'll pray for an m4kingsteven
- conclusion: PC laptops are ugly AF, except the ones that blatantly rip off Apple's design leadmonospaced
- @king, an entry level MacBook outperforms pretty much any PC laptop at the same price. I don't know why you think this is wrong.monospaced
- Look at the benchmarks. In 3D Mark benchmarks a 10 core M4 (£1199 Air - £1999 14" MBP) ranks below £500 3050Ti PC laptops...kingsteven
- The Mac will undoubtedly be a much better all rounder, but for anything requiring graphics acceleration, no.kingsteven
- also, i think a lot of PC laptops look cool as fuck and don't take design cues from apple. Its just 99% of the time you see one it probably cost £300kingsteven
- Whenever I see thinkpads out in the wild I see them as the evo x of the laptop world. I’m a Mac guy through and through but there’s something about thinkpads._niko
- It's a shame Sony stopped making laptops. I had a doozie Sony 15 years ago. Thinkpads are, to me, a bit like high-end Sony Walkmans from the 80s, aesthetically.Nairn
- ideaist0
Alright nerd(s):
Conundrum...
...Getting a new laptop, BUT can't decide between a (refurbished) M4 Macbook Pro (16") OR a (new) M4 Macbook Air.
The price difference is NEARLY half, AND I'm not generally using the thing for multiple 4k videos, rendering(s), etc. SOOO I think i may be able to pass on the extra power.
OR
Anyone have experience gearing down from the "Pro" world?
X
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- I have the m2 air and it handles everything flawlessly. The only drawback is internal storage but external drives take care of that I guess._niko
- @_niko, did you grab 512GB? You cloud storage? I'm 100% Dropbox SOOO I'm unsure I need much more...ideaist
- I can literally grab a MacBook Air AND an iPad Pro for the price of a MacBook Pro!ideaist
- Also @_niko, what RAM amount?ideaist
- the air is so much nicer for travel. I have the 16 pro and I hate schlepping it around********
- M3 Air does everything I need but I don't do a lot of video, mostly coding, some CS and Logic. 16GB Ram / 512GB.fadein11
- idealist, yeah on the cloud as well but if it stores some project files locally as well it can fill up fast. 8gb ram and 256GB storage_niko
- so with even those meek specs it's still insane, I can't imagine how an m4 chip with more ram and storage would perform, just nuts._niko
- Fantastic wisdom(s) dude(s).
Thank you.ideaist - I have an M3 air. My 2018 MBP screen died and I didn't have the $ to buy an MBP. The Air is great, no complaints unless you keep a ton of tabs open.mg33
- @mg33, its downfall is tabs?! Lolz.ideaist
- From a resource management perspective, Chrome and Slack are dogshit apps********
- @nb I know Chrome is a bit blaoted/sluggish at times; what browser do you use? Fuck Slack (I work solo).
; )ideaist - I'll always reco a MacBook Pro (because awesome), but honestly, 16" is entirely too big. Heavy beast, that.
I have the M1 14" and that's plenty large enough.Continuity - Safari. There’s a reason Apple invests in a browser. Nothing can compete (on a Mac or iOS device).********
- Safari, eh?
I'm ALWAYS avoiding Apple Software; 3rd party for calendar, tasks, mail, browser(s), etc. BUT I guess they DO know their own hardware, eh?ideaist - Yeah same. I don’t like Apple calendar, mail, reminders, Numbers, etc. I do like Apple Notes, but that’s about it.********
- Still there’s no reason you can’t use safari and google calendar and Gmail********
- Safari is so good on Mac and iOS. And battery life is significantly better with Safari. Like +50% longer.********
- i_monk0
Fourth system update to turn AI back on automatically.
- That's super-weird. It's never done that on my Mac whenever I update.
On the other hand, maybe because I'm in the EU it's opt-in instead of opt-out.Continuity - I thought it wasn't available in the EU at all?grafician
- Maybe it varies by country, but it's available in DE.Continuity
- That's super-weird. It's never done that on my Mac whenever I update.
- utopian2
Apple is reportedly willing to lose $1 billion every year just to fuel its streaming ambitions.
- chill they have like $200B in cash they can buy the whole Hollywoodgrafician
- I will just DV you because of your dumb try...grafician
- Apple slopgrafician
- Gotta make sacrifices to get into the game I guess. Their content is ace though so something is working.monospaced
- grafician-1
The options
- try this:
https://www.lg.com/u…ok_not_ok - I'm was on Team Dellgrafician
- But this is about pixel density like the Studio displays
218ppigrafician - who's paying for it :DArchitectofFate
- missing asus proart 5kkingsteven
- Why is a $7000 display an option along with $1000 models? Are you really allowed to choose?monospaced
- I have this and LOVE it: https://www.dell.com…formed
- ^ it's much wider, but feels less instrusive compared to my old 32"formed
- @kingsteven That is actually a very good choice!grafician
- I’ve been using BENQ value meets quality options and man I’ve broken a few just from light movements...ideaist
- ...I’m trying to justify the price of even the entry level Apple display; I miss the build quality / my old cinema displays could not be destroyed!ideaist
- We have old Cinema display in the studio, colors still good after that many years
Legendarygrafician
- try this:
- _niko9
finally bit the bullet and upgraded my phone after 7 years.
I gotta say it's pretty much the same shit as my last one minus the annoying notch (just a different action notch) But with one big difference - the camera
holy fucking shit!
The video recording at 4k 24fps in cinematic mode is just chef's kiss amazing.
I just saved myself 5k getting a mirrorless Sony or fujufilm etc. lol
It's just blowing me away, the shalow depth of field, the crispness, the colours, the low light abilities, the stability etc etc.
just wow. don't mean to fanboy out and maybe it's been a thing for years but going from my XR to this video-wise is just bonkers.
- grafician-1
M1 Pro battery still good easy 8 hours a day after 3 years
Best laptop ever!
Will upgrade to M5 soon, but then again I can still probably squeeze 20 mins out of the old MBP late 2008...
Apple are legendary
- You can still open some 2009 MBP unibody running Freehand and make a living just designing logos and posters!
Unreal endurance...grafician - Shit. My 2012 iMac struggles with everyday websites.monospaced
- You can still open some 2009 MBP unibody running Freehand and make a living just designing logos and posters!
- NBQ001
Just insane how far we've come in about 2 decades.
I wanted to know:
How many maxed out SGI Origin 2000 racks would it need to match one maxed out Apple Mac Studio from today?
(SGI Origin 2000 were the server racks from end of 90's and early 2000's that were used as render farms at ILM and other big VFX/ Animation studios to render the projects)
With the introduction of the 2025 Mac Studio featuring the Apple M3 Ultra chip, the performance gap compared to legacy systems like the SGI Origin 2000 has grown even wider.
The M3 Ultra in its highest configuration offers a 32-core CPU (24 performance, 8 efficiency), up to an 80-core GPU, and a 32-core Neural Engine, with over 800 gigabytes per second of memory bandwidth. Apple claims up to double the performance of the previous M2 Ultra, and up to 2.6 times faster than the M1 Ultra. In practical terms, the M3 Ultra delivers well over 40 teraflops of single-precision (FP32) compute performance, and its real-world application performance is even more impressive thanks to modern architecture and software optimizations.
A maxed-out SGI Origin 2000 rack, depending on configuration, could reach about 25 gigaflops peak (using 128 CPUs at roughly 0.2 gigaflops each, as per historical sources). Even in the most optimistic scenario, a full interconnected system of eight racks could approach 200 gigaflops theoretical peak.
To match just one Mac Studio with M3 Ultra at 40,000 gigaflops (or 40 teraflops), you would need at least 200 full eight-rack Origin 2000 systems, totaling about 1,600 racks, to reach the same theoretical compute performance. In practice, due to efficiency and utilization differences, the number would likely be even higher.
So, to equal the raw compute power of a single maxed-out 2025 Mac Studio with M3 Ultra, you would need roughly 1,600 maxed-out SGI Origin 2000 racks. This underscores the extraordinary advances in computing power, energy efficiency, and physical density over the past three decades.
Now onto the cost:
A typical SGI Origin 2000 128-CPU rack (the largest marketed configuration) would have cost in the range of $1 million to $3 million, depending on options and support contracts, based on historical pricing trends for high-end SGI systems of that era.
Now do the math, $ 1-3 million x 1,600 racks for which you'd probably need a football stadium to put them all in.
Versus
1x single maxed out Mac Studio M3 Ultra for about $11K
And people are still bitching when a video output or render is taking few seconds more for 4K res.
- utopian0
Judge Finds Apple Violated Antitrust Ruling
"Apple willfully choose not to comply with this Court's Injunction. It did so with the express intent to create new anti competitive barriers which would, by design and in effect, maintain a valued revenue stream; a revenue stream previously found to be anti competitive. Than it thought this Court would tolerate such insubordination was a gross miscalculation. As always, the coverup made it worse. For this Court, there is no second bite at the apple."
U.S. District Judge
Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers
- Gabriel0
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