9/11
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- Gardener-1
- Bennn0
- Lacking a little dramaFax_Benson
- Meh, I saw the original, this looks kinda fake...robotron3k
- 0.00000 military response, Murica still #1utopian
- utopian2
Rand Paul stops unanimous passage of 9/11 first responders funding bill.
Republican Sen. Rand Paul objected Wednesday to an attempt to pass the bill funding 9/11 first responders' health care unanimously, arguing that passing such a long-term bill without offsetting the cost would contribute to the national debt.
Fuck You Rand Paul...You Repugnant Repulsive Republican POS!
- Legal murder, American style.zarkonite
- he should sit in his garage with his car runningimbecile
- Punches For thread
disgusting human.Krassy - Wait *Does real research to find out exact cost. 70 year bill, Ok. Cost for first 10 years, $10.2 Billion or $90+ Billion total. Woah he has a point. Who pays??robotron3k
- You pay Robo. As a New Yorker you should be happy to do so.ben_
- Numbers are a bit strange, they have paid out $5 Billion to 21,000, 700 have passed. but 19,000 have not been paid out, so they want $70-90 Billion more??? Hmmmrobotron3k
- I'm sure at the end the people are getting monies, but smells like a few others are scraping from the pot of gold as well...robotron3k
- Thanks for the research Robo, it's chump change so they should really vote for it.zarkonite
- A rounding error compared to how much deficit the republicans have added since they were put in charge!zarkonite
- This is true, the future is for the future people, spend away!robotron3k
- The good oldé USA had no problem forking over $2.4 trillion by 2017 for losing wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan.utopian
- But our American hero's on 9/11 deserve only the best! - The GOP Rally Cryutopian
- a responsible representative. at the end of the day it will be the middle class most fucked by uncontrollable costs on such a long time line with healthcaredeathboy
- costs running rampant already due to poor legislation. if anything shows how few ppl represent the ppls interests above their owndeathboy
- however if NY wants to fund it themselves until 2090 for anyone who possibly gets ill involved so be it. Its really a local issuedeathboy
- just add on property tax and sales tax to pay for it.deathboy
- make a statement for the rest of the US and show how much people like to give their money to causes not their own.deathboy
- 9/11 was not a "local issue."Krassy
- but really if it was such a big deal and popular why wouldnt NYC fund it themselves? I mean it's not like a bunch of money or anything the city couldn't afford?deathboy
- haha hell it is a special interest. oh krassy you getting on board with the USA patriotism and flying flags after 9/11 and wanting to storm terrorism?deathboy
- well there is terrorism on the border and NYC should pay its fair share for a border wall right? The collectivist shit cuts both waysdeathboy
- Pay for it through an increased federal property or income tax... but that's unfair because those are so much higher than the rest of the country as a percentagdeathboy
- which is a way to soak the wealthy for causes not their own. why such things should be state leveldeathboy
- let the lower states increase taxes for a wall and not call on federal funding. see if they still feel so strongly when its not someones elses moneydeathboy
- This political fed fund slush funds calls for every special interest from state politicians is getting asininedeathboy
- good thing most politicians are as dumb AF and not trying to trade this more expensive policy with cheaper wall funding. those situations are always win/win fordeathboy
- them and lose/lose for the people. good thing theyre all self centered focused on self interests and funds for their special interestsdeathboy
- could always run a go fund me account too and let those who feel so strongly including jon stewart to fund it. just crazy to setup state funding for any medicaldeathboy
- *fed funding for state level disasters. imagine setting up funds for CA fighter while the gov restricts controls of fire control out of fear of pollutiondeathboy
- it pretty much incentivizes risk which first responders get a nice coin for in the price already. it boggles the mind its an issue on rational stancedeathboy
- oh and its not a local issue because people wouldn't support it if it was. that says everything you need to know. the interests and goalsdeathboy
- being best, the usual republican morbidity..neverscared
- what the fuck does that even mean never? rationally i know nothing, but what do you think you are saying? a disease to try to be the best?deathboy
- we can sum up on every motivational poster ever sold that is an unpopular ideadeathboy
- unless you can clarify the meaning of your statement? and love to see how you tie it to single sided partisanshipdeathboy
- elahon4
- at some point we have to stand up to budgets!deathboy
- this money spent elsewhere blame game is a farce. i also disagree with pauls spending votes on issues. but 2 wrongs dont make a right which is what theyre hopindeathboy
- for. and as such i thought stewart was better than that. i wonder if he has someone close blinding him to common sense he usually hasdeathboy
- Our village idiot has spoken!utopian
- dont call jon stewart and idiot. hes a funny guy and a lot of times is correctdeathboy
- colin_s8
the "conservative" talking points behind rejecting this bill are insane given how after 9/11 it was "you're with us or against us" and "you're not american if you don't want to go to war." oh, and "never forget."
the idea that trolling liberals is more important to these morons than common decency toward people who show up for jobs these online douchebags would be far too cowardly to attempt is just as bad as the spineless democrats who try and compromise with their ilk instead of telling them to sit down and shut up like the children they are.
- once you're convinced that the other side is always worse, you can excuse and legitimise any policy or behaviour.Fax_Benson
- I'm sick of both sides of the political spectrum. Conservatives and liberals both would rather see the other side fail before they'd see everyone succeed.MondoMorphic
- ^DRIFTMONKEY
- ^ ^Krassy
- ^ ^ ^Maaku
- You didn't provide one factual statement to promote your argument. Instead, you cried like a child.Hayoth
- I have no tolerance for someone who picks a side and then advocates for less communication between those sides. This hardline garbage helps nothing.cannonball1978
- @hayoth, kinda like when you bitch about commies and socialists and fascism on QBN?monospaced
- @hayoth https://www.youtube.… bush SOTUcolin_s
- @hayoth see any bumper sticker for "never forget" i figured this shit was common fucking sensecolin_s
- and if you want the talking points you see the "local issue" and "too expensive" shit that deathboy and robo are repeating from fox newscolin_s
- it's a chorus line of self-image reverse-bullying, when really it's just being cruel to others tangentially while having blinders to the fact most people arecolin_s
- not "triggered," just waiting for these idiots to grow the fuck upcolin_s
- @cannon, when there's no party representing the working class, what left is there to do but start something else? neither party carescolin_s
- Fuck both conservatives and liberals, but also fuck your evolutionarily challenged working class that thinks it is owed a living.cannonball1978
- And now im bitter. That was fast.cannonball1978
- Hayoth-3
Hey colin, here are some facts.
"No matter how good the cause is, we should offset the spending, it makes no sense to borrow the money from China," Paul explained.
So he's really not informed, and his name-calling just sort of exposes him as a left-winger, part of the left-wing mob that really isn't using his brain and is willing to call people names. It's really kind of disgusting, because see, he pretended for years when he was on his comedy show to be somebody who could see both sides and see through the BS on both sides, well now he is the BS, the BS meter is through the roof," Paul added.
- Over 80+ years of payouts to the injured. I suppose there were hundreds of infants and young children escaping on that day. Who would have thought!?!robotron3k
- yeah i say offset the spending by taxing the fuck out of wall street, or closing loopholes for apple and amazon. these are petty excuses.colin_s
- he's still a fucking capitalist politician, fuck libertarians.colin_s
- good workers died as a result of doing good deeds for people in trying times. to have the state turn its back on them is reprehensible.colin_s
- also there are no "facts" there, you quoted paul's PR piece to a right-wing TMZ (yes i read it), which contained nothing of substance.colin_s
- Stop invading countries for approximately 2 weeks and you should have enough to offset costs.ben_
- We are only spending 2 to 3 trillion dollars for two wars in the Middle East that the USA lost...fucking morons!utopian
- How will the warmongering right-wingers offset costs of the next war with Iran?utopian
- /\ By giving another tax cut to the 1% and placing the burden at the feet of sad-sacks like the rest of the population. You know, the usual.ben_
- don't forget SS/Medicare and whatever else being cut. Surely we can't afford helping Americans when give free handouts to the .1%. Pathetic.formed
- More pathetic (I think) is those that just fall inline and try to defend this shit. That hatred towards other Americans is palpable.formed
- deathboy-6
My deal with it is its more political grand standing than anything. This new grandiose big plan thinking that drives careers and makes promises by people whos careers will be over but reaped all the benefits of such shit. Secondly logistics. And lastly the social precedence.
Why 2090? Just throw out a blind number on what seems like a average lifespan and fund it without knowing the costs. Every 5 years costs end up growing past expectations. A endless fund will seek endless scammers, and the costs to deal with and monitor scammers will add to the bottom line debt owed by tax payers. These scammer swill mostly be generated out of a single area but nationally funded. I think if NYC handled it by NYC you would see more skin in the game and a better ran fund. One thing I have also noticed is the increasing federally declared disasters calls. Local politicans have now figured out hwo to capitalize on fed funds. This will be a whole new ball park in setting up victim funds chasing this public dime trend for state politicians.
Personally i'm happy people take on jobs I'd rather not deal with, police, firefighters, shit picker uppers. And shit happens. People follow self interests in jobs and take on risks. This happened to be an unusual risk and they die they die. Better a learning mechanism to think twice about such things than maybe eh we will get paid big time if something bad happens. If in life every poor decision or even just being wrong place at wrong time needs to be paid for by others, well fuck society or as robbins wrote "All Uncle Larry is saying is that individuals have to accept responsibility for their own bad choices. If every time we choose a turd, society, at great expense, simply allows us to redeem it for a pepperoni, then not only will we never learn to make smart choices, we will also surrender the freedom to choose, because a choice without consequences is no choice at all. Maybe it boils down to the premium we want to place on liberty."
A decent amount of public funds have been spent and time to move on. ESPECIALLY considering our current bank balances.
And think of this type of thinking applied if SF destroyed by earthquake. You know politicians in CA will want fed funds to cover their voters. Its completely unsustainable and impractible and quite frankly fuckin retarded.
And funny side note (not in side note because thought of it before) we would have had more funds not chasing the war narrative aftermath and less debt to better allocate funds necessary, but end of day no funds your fucked. But also the war and interest rates and oil and everything is all more complicated than such a decision, but we cant recall how quickly people slopped up terms like WMD without understanding fully, or questioning what that term meant. The mob is quite a stupid blob of goo.
- your black hole is like a yawn, you make me want to shitcanoe
- that almost sounds like poetry... is their not a tread for poetry?deathboy
- actually... your only response to any of it is it displeases you.. you took the time to write that and only that. why? or a exercise on word play and expresion?deathboy
- I get where you're going, but conflating a natural disaster with people responding to an act of terrorism is (as you put it) "fuckin retarded".ben_
- These are people who were told it was safe to breathe the air in and around ground zero, doing their jobs, kids going to school, etc...ben_
- anyone living in california knows the risks of an earthquake and you can measure it in some cost-benefit analysis if that's the way you like to think about...ben_
- these things. 9/11 came out of nowhere and people by and large sought to help deal with it, so the least that could be done is take care of their med bills, no?ben_
- And for the collateral damage of kids in schools nearby, small business owners chipping in to help out, etc. etc. you feel they should have just assumed...ben_
- the risk would end in protracted terminal illnesses that would bankrupt their families? cool man, you're a champ.ben_
- boy you are ignorant.utopian
- ben how much has been spent? what is the proper amount? and collateral damage of kids? did they first respond?deathboy
- did they work? the devil is in the details of who gets money, and so many opeing for fraud with such a slush fund. the checks and measuredeathboy
- of continual budget approval was to keep it in check. imagine a gov with no debt ceiling limit.deathboy
- Salarrue7
- "Republican Sens. Rand Paul of Kentucky and Mike Lee of Utah were the only two to vote against it, citing spending concerns."zarkonite
- Are they going to lose their seats? NO.
Are the people voting for them pieces of shit? YES.zarkonite - Oh and our very own robo! He didn't think they deserved any money.zarkonite
- Don't pay robo any attention, he's an idiot.garbage
- Did Jon Stewart use that face app to make himself look older?fooler
- it will be interesting to see the cost and waste of such policy when those who voted in self interest are long gone.deathboy
- wont be surprised if more than 40% goes to fraud and fraud prevention. with little concern being 100% funded no matter how money spent.deathboy
- No, what would be more likely is that republicans like Rand and Lee will try to make amendments which set an outrageous burden of proof...ben_
- for claimants, much like an insurance company trying to skirt their obligations. If you're so concerned about fiscal responsibility there's much more...ben_
- lucrative and deserving places to aim your sights at.ben_
- Please educated yourself, here are the facts not from Faux News: https://www.vcf.gov/…utopian
- Except that Rand and Lee also voted to increase the debt ceiling AND military spending, but they can't stomach paying for healthcare for 9/11 victims. Cunts.zarkonite
- so, deathboy, are you saying that you ASSume there's fraud, and that therefore this fund should be eliminated and the first responders be fucked to death?monospaced
- I mean, the way you're so openly against this really paints that picture. Really living up to your name and your reputation, you sad little toad.monospaced
- Yes.. i agree with everyone here. Deathboy is a piece of shit.bogue
- oh wow utooian if that fact sheet is correct im upping my fraud odds.deathboy
- haha lets just say everyone who agree funds the bill and those who don't well don't.deathboy
- the logiistics of fraud detection and fact they under budget every fuckin year does not spell well for any projectiondeathboy
- its gonna be a political boondoggle and hopefully will be forced back on NY politicians who have everything to gain for it.deathboy
- again as i said its similiar to trying to remove debt ceiling votes. it needs to go through approvals to keep it in check.deathboy
- if that seems illogical than you are really naive to the world.deathboy
- What is illogical is that you care more about the inner workings of your governments spending than these human beings lives.bogue
- Some of these people ran into the twin towers to help, and now you're saying you want to split hairs before helping them? WTF?!?zarkonite
- nb-1
Hey so are we still going to memorialize 9/11 this year or what? Is donald trump going to bring it up and try to tell us bad it was?
Because....
US Deaths in 9/11 attacks:
2,977Covid-19:
172,988*Seems like we might take a year off from the usual patriotic fanfare. No? I’m honestly curious.
*(+3k to 5k per week)
- I’m not saying those lives had less value. Just seems odd this year to “remember” them in the usual gross manipulative way.nb
- Maybe we should remember them in our hearts.nb
- Never forgetmonospaced
- colin_s0
this shit was my first day of college which probably has something to do with how i turned out
- utopian-2
The Grief Americans No Longer Share
As the anniversary of the 9/11 attacks arrives, a splintered nation lacks the collective resolve it once showed.
- "Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it." - George Santayanautopian
- a country who's lost its way. aimless, rudderless with a blind and insane captain at the helm._niko
- "some people who did something"Phrenological
- BusterBoy1
I remember it like it was yesterday. It was about 11pm Melbourne time on a Tuesday night. I was watching a football show (Talking Footy with Bruce McEvaney if anyone remembers) and they cit across to the shots from Manhattan. I'd been there not too long before...and I just couldn't believe what I was seeing.
Than as the events unfolded in full view...I just remember becoming physically sick...with my daughter only just having been born.
I stayed up all night glued to the TV...horrific scenes and utter despair.
