Ban the Burqa?
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- maikel0
georgesIII, mate. if they dress as they want according to their faith, can I go around naked, as I don't have any faith?
- are you hot?
if not, please stay clothed,
if yes and you're a girl, please send me a pmgeorgesIII - what if i'd be a hot muslim hidden in a burka?maikel
- waste of hotness.set
- So its decided.
Ugly people wear Burqa's. Attractive people wear nothing.aanderton
- are you hot?
- ItalianStallion0
I don't want to sound as a sad trombone but... lot to learn from here:
- why being a sad trombone when you can be a vuvuzela?maikel
- Ahahah, good point...ItalianStallion
- i like the cover design.airey
- ukit0
@georges
I agree that there is plenty to blame America for...as the good Rev Wright said, "God damn America" for its actions in foreign policy which are not at all in line with the ideals we claim to support here at home. Of course America is not unique in this regard...most empires throughout history have acted this way.
At the same time I think some give America too much credit, and demagogues in the Middle East often use America as a scapegoat for all their problems. America of today is not stopping Iran or any other country from liberalizing, in fact we would love it so we could sell them Hollywood movies, hamburgers and shitty pop music;)
By the way, was having dinner with an Iranian friend the other night...he pointed out (as I mentioned earlier) that Iran had Islam was traditionally not Islamic but had Islam imposed on it at the point of a sword by invading Muslim armies - just within the past thousand years. So in a sense Islam is about as authentic to Iran as Catholicism is to Mexico...not that it matters but it does put things a bit in perspective.
- OK, sorry, 1.400 year ago...nonetheless, I look forward to their return to Zoroastrianismukit
- airey0
well if around 70% of the french population want the niqab ban to happen then that's good enough for me. so fuck the postulating online, this is democracy motherfuckers and i dig it.
- agree,
got some invoice to run.
peace on earthgeorgesIII - <Projectile
- guess that would make the french "class-a fucking idiot middle class whiteys with insular views thenBusterBoy
- no. unless they equate the average muslim with a kkk member.airey
- long bow dickwad.BusterBoy
- I "equated" nothing of the kind...just posed a question.BusterBoy
- agree,
- georgesIII0
And I also mentionned that some wounds do not go back to more than a thousand years ( islam annexed Persia, Siria and Egypt around 636bc says my religious history book) but are fairly recent and still open.
"In 1953, Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq was overthrown by a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)-organized coup, in what has been called "a crucial turning point both in Iran's modern history and in U.S. Iran relations." Many Iranians argue that "the 1953 coup and the extensive U.S. support for the shah in subsequent years were largely responsible for the shah's arbitrary rule," which lead to the "deeply anti-American character" of the 1979 revolution.[11]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira…but weren't we debating the burka ban,
- Sure - but why miss a chance to bash the U.S. for actions I already said I disagree with?:)ukit
- you're the one that posted persepolis, while completely ignoring why it got there and why Iran is 100% Islamic nowgeorgesIII
- so pointing out history is bashing now. this is getting tiringgeorgesIII
- I didn't know the disclaimer was necessary but if so here it is: "...and it was all America's fault"ukit
- would you ignore the repercussions of your liberations on the future Iraqi generations too?georgesIII
- 100% islamic is overdoing it a bit... there are 20,000 Jews living, I mean surviving there.Amicus
- SlashPeckham0
French politics always moves to the right whenever the French way of life is under threat - on this occasion its economic reforms... they are sooooo predictable. It probably wont happen (its illegal and infringes on freedom of expression) and if it does then there will inevitably be a backlash in the rest of the world against France.. more unnecessary bullshit that sells newspapers... isnt it still a choice to dress like a freak...?
Freedom Fries anybody?
- davebellechique0
personally i dont like veils, niqabs or burqa's. dont like the sight of a walking iglo tent on the street. but why all the fuss against women.
instead of banning this thing governement should install programs to make women aware that they are persons who can decide whatever they want, that they shouldnt be oppressed and manipulated by their husband they HAD to marry. these backward mentality attitudes don't have any place in a europe that fought 2000 years for every human right we take for granted todayeducate the women, islam rennaissance and enlightment needs to come from the women and girls, them, who really run things, not the flock of men who drink tea all day in a salon de thé
- As wonderful as that would be, consider (honor-killings or just the good ol face-acid) the fate of those women that do decide what they want.Peter
- ...what they want.
Mind, as far as I know the honor-killings and acids are more common in Europe than the States.Peter - States.
Man that horrible braking made mePeter - davebellechique what you said has nothing to do with the enlightenmentSlashPeckham
- he's saying a new enlightenmentukit
- lowimpakt0
Men thinking they are liberating women by restricting a woman's choice.
Way to go France you ignoramus.
- lowimpakt0
I wonder what people would be saying if Israel banned the veil?
- sqloud0
Some things you don't seem to know/understand. A lot of burka/nikab wearing women are actually "born again muslim". As stated by a lot of muslim association here in France. The majority of muslim women wear veil on their hair. No problem with that. According to the old testament, women should wear veil too. So french basic rascists should just shut their mouth.
I don't think it has nothing to do with the fact with France colonnial history. When you go in Maghreb, women don't wear burka nor nikab.
I'm not saying that all of the french women who do, do it by choice and religious revendication/pride, obviously not. But that's a distinctive sign of stupid "i wanna overdo my new religion", born again muslim french girls often do.
- chalk0
This seems like a Google argument.
- neue75_bold0
* tjeore burqa bump
- MakeBelieve0
Facts from Muslims:
1) The niqab is the face-veil called the Niqab, no the Burqa
So the Niqab is being banned.2) Burqa - full body covering (not being banned)
3) Hijab - head covering or headscarf, this is NOT the niqab or face-veil and is what majority of Muslim women wear.
4) Less than 10% of Muslim women wear the Niqab or face-veil.
5) There is no mandate from primary texts (Qur'an and Hadith) for the wearing of the face-veil, But the headscarf (hijab) is mandatory.
Wearing the niqab is optional and only encouraged by scholars, not an Islamic obligation.France and other countries that ban the face-veil or other items of clothing are discriminating and is a violation of personal human rights. We should be allowed to wear whatever we want.
If a woman can wear a bikini in the middle of the street, then why can't a woman choose to cover.
A) The notion that women are coerced is false and not quantifiable, it is almost impossible to determine how many women are forced to wear the veil. And since the number is less than 5% in most western countries, it is ridiculously small. More domestic abuse occurs than forced veiling anywhere.
B) The security argument is totaly false, currently all Niqab-wearing women have to show their faces to security, on ID cards, passports etc. So this argument is baseless.
C) The notion that society needs to see the face is again totally baseless. Most people communicate daily via email and phone with people they have never ever met, yet they do business perfectly fine. It is simply discriminatory to
D)
Banning the veil or other religious (or non-religious) items of clothing and rights will push people underground or away.
Don't even bother to imply that people 'should go back to their country' or 'if you want to live in France/Europe, you have to...' is at times racist and ignorant. As many of the Muslims in the west are actually western themselves. Born or ethnically white-Caucasian, first, second and third generation Muslims. Even if a Muslim is first generation born Moroccan in France, they are still French and nobody can ask them to 'go back to their country'.
Saudi Arabia: "But in Saudi Arabia they force women to wear veils and a dress code"
Who ever said that was right? Yes, SA are wrong to force people to do anything, in Islam, God says 'There is no compulsion in Islam' - so technically it is un-Islamic to force people to do something they don't. Free-will is a (God-given) blessing. SA has a minority of Muslims, who are not the majority and interpret the faith in very literal and conservative manners.Iran: Again, the same as SA, they are not right in imposing state-directed laws on dress or faith.
Why not visit Morocco, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Malaysia or Dubai to see the diversity in faith and custom? Why pick the two most intolerant countries, as if they represent 'Islam' or 'Muslims' - when they are a minority. The comparison is flawed. Most Muslim-majority countries do not impose restrictions on dress by law.
Finally, funny how male politicians in Europe are telling women how to dress! Welcome to the 21st century.
I hope at least Britain has the sense to keep our basic human right to wear what we want.
- *correct: The face veil is called 'Niqab', not the burqa.MakeBelieve
- MakeBelieve0
I don't think any of the politicians have ever met a veil-wearing women or have bothered to even do a basic survey of them/from them.
A Niqabi speasks:
- BusterBoy0
MB, you have argued your point well and I agree with a lot of what you are saying.
I can't agree with "C) The notion that society needs to see the face is again totally baseless." While it may be your right to cover your face if you choose, it's my right to think it is totally anachronistic.
Having said that, it's such a minute portion of the population I don't think it's necessary.
- DrBombay0
The ban is stupid, unless you want to:
1. Enter a bank.
2. Drive a vehicle.
3. Do anything else that requires photo ID.Also, the police should have the right to make the woman remove it in the event that they need to identify them.
- Most veil-wearing women already agree with this. But not a blanket ban for no reason.MakeBelieve
- DrBombay0
I recall seeing something in California about a woman that wanted to wear her veil for her driver's license photo. That is just stupid.
- bulletfactory0
ok, i've skipped to page 6 - what's the decision?
- ESKEMA0
If you go to a country, respect it's laws. Don't impose yours.
France has every right to ban the fuck they want, as muslim countries have their own laws (much more strict!). I don't think I could go to Afghanistan and build a Church (with bells) these days, or my girlfriend walk around in a bikini. I accept that, it's their laws.
They should respect France's will also.Today we are talking Niqab / Burka, last month was Minarets, tomorrow will be another topic.
If I go to live in another country, I should adapt to it, it would be my choice to be there, and they would be nice to let me stay.
Every country has the right to impose their laws on it's ground, if you don't like it, GTFO. You have the right to leave any civilized country to where you see fit.
- Read post aboveMakeBelieve
- I guess you haven't visited a Muslim country then?MakeBelieve