Ban the Burqa?

  • Started 15 years ago
  • Last post 15 years ago
  • 143 Responses
  • ukit0

    Religion is an embarrassing relic of the past anyway. All comedians know this


    • comedians are some of the most observant people in the world.
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    Banning Muslim religious dress in particular is singling out particular members of society.

    If the route issue is identification - that issue needs to be addressed. If a law was to be introduced, the law would logically (and fairly) need to provide legislature that addresses that route issue.

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    " trying to control the way another person presents themselves is moral dubious behaviour and is ultimately non-constructive."

    isn't that what forcing someone to wear a burqa is doing? controlling the way they present themselves?

    this issue is just one giant catch 22

    • Gov legistaltion is not the same as cultural norms that create a predisposition to wear a Burqa.
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    • the women don't want to wear that crap. they only say they do, because if they didn't, they'd pay for it.
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    • and i grew up around muslim women. most of my family is muslim.
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    • But it IS the law in many parts of the world, isn't it?ukit
    • exactly. illegal NOT to wear it. i can't believe you're actually supporting this, lukus.
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    • i know it may seem as though freedoms are being taken away, but really they are GIVING freedom, in the long run.
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    • ..run.
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    • an anology, it's like you're supporting man's "freedom" to cage his dog for life.
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    They shouldn't be banned. Freedom is important... trying to control the way another person presents themselves is moral dubious behaviour and is ultimately non-constructive.

    Education & discussion are the only routes to lasting change. It might sound overly PC and right-on, but it's the truth.

    • what the fuck is non-constructive?
      your such a moral fag dude
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    "There is evidence that this type of dress was worn by some Arab and Persian women long before Islam."

    as quoted from Wikipedia

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    Are burqas part of the Muslim religion (mentioned in the Koran) or are they just a cultural practices? Does anyone know?

    • it's not in the quran.
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    Ban clothes. simple.

    • the do on the beaches.
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  • Ramanisky20

    Well there you have it ... France did it
    http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/eu…

    and right away the Eiffel Tower is evacuated

  • arminwerk0

    Yeah, while they're at it, they should ban piercing in the face, tatoos in the facem mustaches and everything else people choose to wear in or on the face. C'mon where did democraty go???

    • That's anarchy you're talking about.Ruffian
  • sqloud0

    But, hey, c'mon guys. In France we have more important problems to deal with. What about the national soccer team. At least that's what the governement is "focusing" on.
    Thanks for arguing for us.

  • Projectile0

    exador1.. so what you are saying is that these people want to wear them? sure, they do.. you make a good point.

    But whether they do it because their family/community will kill them, or because they just want to fit in more at school, it's a complication they wouldn't have to deal with if/when this law is passed.

  • ukit0

    It's a reaction at the panic they feel of "losing" their culture in the face of immigration.

  • WrappedInBooks0

    ^ I think it could be drawn that freedom of religion (freedom from persecution) should be extend to those who don't want to wear the face or body covering. What the French government (and most of Europe) are doing is a heavy handed attempt at the preservation of (what they believe to be) civil rights.

  • exador10

    a lot of posturing and talk and bluster here, but I'll just toss in a few things i happen to know for a 'fact' as well....

    my wife is a highschool teacher here....at her school there are a lot of kids from Pakistan, afghanistan, india, you name it....
    now, when they get new girl students in from these countries, say fr'instance, pakistan, many of them do not, in fact, where the hijab or anything else....

    but....

    after being here for a little while they do.

    now...let me tell ya why.....

    some of the imams and such around here these days can be a bit hardcore about this stuff....in turn, the local kids that have been here awhile pressure the newcomers into wearing it....
    most of them do in order to either 'fit in' or so that they don't run afoul of any local preachers etc.....
    that's just one teachers observation....and she's seen that happen quite a bit over the past few years....

    also, there have been (in the past few years) quite a few 'honor' killings....girls that didn't want to wear this stuff and thought they could get away with not doing so being killed by their families for 'dishonoring' them...

    there's a case going on here right now (or just ended)....poor kid got killed by her dad and older brother because she didn't want to wear the hijab...

    anyhow, any way you slice it, it's very sad....

    i'm all for people wearing what they want....you want to wear a sheet over your body, go for it...
    you want to walk around with your head covered?...go nuts....

    however...choices are choices....

    and a lot of folks choose NOT to like that sort of thing, and will choose NOT to want to either work with you, be around you, or get along with you...

    there's always been a heard mentality with people...its just the way things are...
    and when confronted with something like this that's outside the 'norm' (girls and women covering up to this degree) people tend to get antsy about it....it makes them feel awkward.
    and when folks feel awkward, they lash out.

    if it was 100% understood and accepted that all these women and girls were doing it 100% because they wanted to, i think that would go a long way to making things acceptable to atleast most reasonable people...
    but that is not the case is it?
    most folks think (and there's a reason for it) that these women and girls are NOT 100% into this, in and of their own choice etc.....
    and since there's that doubt, there is a feeling that these girls (or atleast some) are being forced to do it..
    which makes folks a little bit angry about it.....
    which leads to misunderstandings about culture, which leads to xenophobia, etc...

  • sigg0

    There are bigger issues than wasting time banning something that less than 10% of a small minority wear.

    (pulling the 10% from the previous page)

    If the cops need to see your face, you're getting a drivers license, or your entering a place of business and you won't take it off then BAM, taser time. Then the videos get posted to YouTube, then the YouTube videos get posted in some "fucking cops" thread, people go ape shit over cops and BAM, the circle of life.

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    Hombre_Lobo

    We could have all of that without the seperation, fear and 'taking power from the peopleness' that religion causes.

    You don't need religion to have moral code and community.

    • my sentiments exactly :)
      On my wall i have a a lovely almost bible-esque piece of literature outlining good morals to live by.
      Hombre_Lobo
    • to live by. No need for religion in my life.

      Thanks set :)
      Hombre_Lobo
  • PIZZA0

    I'd rather see a ban on men wearing fucking flip flops to work. You're not on the fucking beach now mate.

    • I'm with this.DrBombay
    • fuck that! I don't, but so what if I do? unless it's a client facing environment, who cares?Projectile
    • It's 92 and humid out. What, do I work in a bank now? Suck my pedicured toes bitches.kona
    • i'm with konan.
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  • Hombre_Lobo0

    before i get attacked by close minded, defensive bumbaclarts (yeh thats right, bumbaclarts!!) -

    Religion is fantastic for teaching a moral code to live by, no doubt about it. Its great for creating communities which makes people feel safe. But its the history of bloodshed and the minority of todays extreme religiousness that grinds my gears.

    If it makes you 1% more happy, good for you, enjoy it! :)

    • and the ignorance of science, that REALLY grinds my gears.Hombre_Lobo
    • " Its great for creating communities which makes people feel safe" good onejaylarson
  • Hombre_Lobo0

    Im not a fan of religion. Causes too many problems.

    • not strictly true, im a fan of Buddhism.Hombre_Lobo
    • it's not really a religion though
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  • Projectile0

    I know:

    Ban the French culture that bans Muslim people from banning women from showing their faces.

    • ban humans
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    • ah yes!! one step higher!!Projectile