Ban the Burqa?
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- bigtrick0
i can't believe i'm arguing this shit on the internet. i must be really bored.
- bigtrick0
- and hoodies? shall they ban hoodies?bigtrick
- they should ban that one, at least.benfal99
- They should certainly ban bloody 6 string bassesJamesBoynton
- Amicus0
@mike (neue75_bold)
the retention of individual cultures is a pick and choose retention at best, and come with a multitude of problems.
As an Australian I find it abhorrent that people can move here to avoid persecution, racism, war etc. etc. and yet continue that violence once here.
- scarabin0
let people wear what they want to wear.
muslims don't outlaw striped shirts and cigarettes so the french should shut the fuck up
- ukit0
@georges
I agree that there is plenty to blame America for...as the good Rev Wright said, "God damn America" for its actions in foreign policy which are not at all in line with the ideals we claim to support here at home. Of course America is not unique in this regard...most empires throughout history have acted this way.
At the same time I think some give America too much credit, and demagogues in the Middle East often use America as a scapegoat for all their problems. America of today is not stopping Iran or any other country from liberalizing, in fact we would love it so we could sell them Hollywood movies, hamburgers and shitty pop music;)
By the way, was having dinner with an Iranian friend the other night...he pointed out (as I mentioned earlier) that Iran had Islam was traditionally not Islamic but had Islam imposed on it at the point of a sword by invading Muslim armies - just within the past thousand years. So in a sense Islam is about as authentic to Iran as Catholicism is to Mexico...not that it matters but it does put things a bit in perspective.
- OK, sorry, 1.400 year ago...nonetheless, I look forward to their return to Zoroastrianismukit
- lowimpakt0
only 2000 women in the whole of france wear the veil (apart from christian women getting married)
attacking this minority of women via legislation is wrong.
the state should not dictate clothing.
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- source?BusterBoy
- Before you SPEAK. Get your facts. They're over 250,000 muslims in france.FredMcWoozy
- that would make a lot more then 2,000 women. GOSH. SO STUPID.FredMcWoozy
- bigtrick0
- and the phantom of the opera? shall they ban the phantom of the opera?bigtrick
- I with they would!Continuity
- *wishContinuity
- airey0
well if around 70% of the french population want the niqab ban to happen then that's good enough for me. so fuck the postulating online, this is democracy motherfuckers and i dig it.
- agree,
got some invoice to run.
peace on earthgeorgesIII - <Projectile
- guess that would make the french "class-a fucking idiot middle class whiteys with insular views thenBusterBoy
- no. unless they equate the average muslim with a kkk member.airey
- long bow dickwad.BusterBoy
- I "equated" nothing of the kind...just posed a question.BusterBoy
- agree,
- ukit0
I mean let's not dance around the obvious here, no one would care if there were only a handful of burqa-wearing women in France. It's not so much a principled stand as simply a xenophobic reaction against immigrants.
Even when I was there 10 years ago, the number of Muslim immigrants in the city I lived in was huge. I imagine that community has grown quite a bit by now. And the French are quite sensitive about/ protective of their culture.
- Ruffian0
France is not a muslim country, so I would have to say yes - they have the right to ban it.
- banning it makes them an anti-muslim country.bigtrick
- But they have the right. I'm not taking sides here.Ruffian
- They are a Muslim country in the making. In 2030 there will be 25% Muslims, enough to dominate parliament.raf
- +1 Ruffianits_only_me
- bigtrick0
- what's wrong with spiderman?scarabin
- just saying, banning niqab due to "covering of face" argument means banning spiderman toobigtrick
- unless there are defences for special occasions, theatrics, etc...ribit
- oh ok, halloween is more important than someone's religion. got it.bigtrick
- no, it could be trivial stuff, but usually laws will have allowances for special occasions, actors..ribit
- the burka wearer would have to argue that defenceribit
- "halloween is more important than someone's religion. got it."
With that argument you can make up a religion to suit your needs.Peter - needs.Peter
- airey0
banning someone's choice of socia-religious wear = oppression.
- BusterBoy0
airey, please fuck off to your little hole, or wherever else it is that you crawled out of. Surely even you are not so blinkered to believe that my comment was nothing more than a throwaway line to illustrate a point and provoke a reaction...your "class-a fucking idiot" comment goes to prove that you are a closed minded cockhead and anyone who disagrees with your point of view must be a moron.
And you call me 'middle class white boy with insular view'...pfft...that's a laugh coming from you.
- georgesIII0
And I also mentionned that some wounds do not go back to more than a thousand years ( islam annexed Persia, Siria and Egypt around 636bc says my religious history book) but are fairly recent and still open.
"In 1953, Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq was overthrown by a Central Intelligence Agency (CIA)-organized coup, in what has been called "a crucial turning point both in Iran's modern history and in U.S. Iran relations." Many Iranians argue that "the 1953 coup and the extensive U.S. support for the shah in subsequent years were largely responsible for the shah's arbitrary rule," which lead to the "deeply anti-American character" of the 1979 revolution.[11]"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ira…but weren't we debating the burka ban,
- Sure - but why miss a chance to bash the U.S. for actions I already said I disagree with?:)ukit
- you're the one that posted persepolis, while completely ignoring why it got there and why Iran is 100% Islamic nowgeorgesIII
- so pointing out history is bashing now. this is getting tiringgeorgesIII
- I didn't know the disclaimer was necessary but if so here it is: "...and it was all America's fault"ukit
- would you ignore the repercussions of your liberations on the future Iraqi generations too?georgesIII
- 100% islamic is overdoing it a bit... there are 20,000 Jews living, I mean surviving there.Amicus
- ribit0
How about... burqas allowed but the men have to wear them on alternating days instead of the women? Or the right to wear what you like defended in muslim countries too.