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- i_monk0
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/to…
Sex-ed protest leaves Toronto school nearly half-empty
Nearly 700 students from Thorncliffe Park Public School did not come to class Tuesday
- What are they upset about? Gender stuff? Religious people need to STFU when it comes to school curriculum.********
- Masturbation, names for body parts, same sex couples.i_monk
- The smart kids are those who convinced their parents that the best action was to "protest" by skipping school. Haha.********
- I think its a question of what is taught and how young. its seems the curriculum was designed by the subway guy...yurimon
- nb you know anything about child development? you trust the experts of the state blindly?yurimon
- if you don't like how the public education in your state conducts itself then vote, move to a different state, or pay for private school********
- I'm guess these people have no idea the internet exists and would rather their kids learn about sex only through anal gaping and dp videos.ETM
- What are they upset about? Gender stuff? Religious people need to STFU when it comes to school curriculum.
- Ramanisky21
Judge David Bunning ordered the Rowan County clerk to be released — and that she not interfere with her deputy clerks’ efforts to grant marriage licenses to all couples.
Her lawyer, however, says, “She cannot allow her name to be associated with something that conflicts with God’s definition of marriage.”
- ********1
- What a moron. Have your religious beliefs fine, but there's something called Separation of Church and State. And she's clearly in violation of the current laws.iCanHazQBN
- What a dumb cunt. Probably thinks she's a bigshot martyr now.iCanHazQBN
- If you're denying equal rights to a specific group of people, you'll always be on the wrong side of history.iCanHazQBN
- I wonder how many white shop owners in the 1950's said "I don't want blacks in my shop because it's against my religious beliefs".iCanHazQBN
- Free At Lastutopian
- "IT'S AGAINST MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFS TO PAY FOR THIS FERRARI! STOP VIOLATING MY RELIGIOUS BELIEFSiCanHazQBN
- EVEN THOUGH IT'S ILLEGAL TO TAKE THIS CAR WITHOUT PAYING FOR IT! ALL PRAISE BOB, THE FREE-CAR GOD!"iCanHazQBN
- the irony is that both sides of the argument are just 2 sides of the same sheople.yurimon
- What is "sheople" about allowing the same rights for everyone??? Get a clue. The religious have been, and will always be, against progress.iCanHazQBN
- licensed anything is not a right. look it up. how is marriage progressive again?yurimon
- It's not about marriage itself. It's about equal rights, no matter what it is. You can't give SOME people rights, and then withhold those rights from others.iCanHazQBN
- I personally don't even agree with marriage, it's not for me, and I find it stupid. The point is the RIGHT to do something should be equal for all.iCanHazQBN
- Marriage is not progressive. Giving people equal rights is. Women being allowed to vote, blacks being allowed to vote, etc.. That is progress.iCanHazQBN
- I can't believe I just had to explain that. Why would it be worth having a debate with you if that's something that I need to explain to you???iCanHazQBN
- Excuse me, where can I get in on this Free Ferrari religion?********
- you are pleading the state for a privilege, ei, license. how is it ever an equal right to get a license?yurimon
- license,yurimon
- The permission granted by competent authority to exercise a certain privilege that, without such authorization, would constitute an illegal act, a Trespassyurimon
- I'd just form a society, like the amish have where you have a system of taking care of each other, more freer, then licensing schemes. more progressive. to meyurimon
- Dear yurimon, please go form your own society.********
- its just misinformed of what licensing is legally and what progressive freedom is.yurimon
- Let's all just take a moment to appreciate that yurimon just called amish society "more progressive" than regular society.********
- Hey yurimon, how about this idea: Everyone in the U.S. can get married except you. Fair?iCanHazQBN
- 6 seconds... thats all I could get through.Al_dizzle
- your an idiot nb, im referring to the amish of community that formed a society around their beliefs without state interference.yurimon
- i'm fine with it but its like 2 side of ignorant people here. one is the progressive religion and the other is fake Christianity. its like a stupid sandwich.yurimon
- yuri, you just slam dunked that shit bro********
- Yep, slam dunk, yuri! Now go start your own society!********
- You make a decent amount of noise and rarely say anything nb. This kid is presenting ideas efficiently and you still cut him down********
- And Iol @ icanhaz talking about human rights as he sees them as interchangeable with legal rights. They are very different pal, social agendas aside********
- Yurimon
adjective
1. A word used to describe someone that thinks they're smarter than average...when in fact they're dopey as dog shit.
"He's done a Yurimon"BusterBoy - So go live with the amish you think that is such a superior system. I'm sure you'll be doing that any day now lolyuekit
- In the meantime, there's no good argument to make for depriving one group of people from the same rights as everyone else.yuekit
- yuekit, you crazy? they have their own society and dont petition or plead to the government, and have their own community self sufficient. whats wrong with thatyurimon
- tell me whos progressive? begging the gov or independent community who is self sufficient? not talking about the details of what they choose to follow.yurimon
- It's completely irrelevant because no one involved in this story is amish or wants to live like that. This Kim Davis woman isn't advocating for live and letyuekit
- live, she wants to get paid with taxpayer money and then decide based on her religion who gets the right to be married.yuekit
- yukit, marriage isn't a right. another example of the bureaucracy overstepping it's responsibility. marriage is a religious institution********
- It is a right though. If you think it should only be religious then that is your opinion, but not the way it works today.yuekit
- you aren't entitled marriage, it isn't a right. relative ethics play no part********
- You can use the word "right" in different contexts. In this case we're talking about the fact that the government grants all people the ABILITY (since using theyuekit
- word right bothers you so much) to get married. It's not up to a random government employee somewhere to overrule that.yuekit
- Context shmontext, the word has a meaning regardless of your intentions to redefine it to suit your purposes********
- People aren't upset about the "right" to marry. They're upset about losing the right to not be discriminated against based on sexual orientation.********
- double negative nonsense********
- That's not a double negative. If you need help understanding: People want to be treated equally under the law, but are being discriminated against.********
- yea yea, i get it. it's not anyones right to get married though, it's a privilege, and the states vote on who the privilege gets extended to. the whole issue is********
- Actually if you are white straight n poor. good luck trying to go into lgbt business organization n get a business loan...yurimon
- quite boring, marriage is an ancient relic that nobody in the us gives a fuck about. look at the stats, it's a token issue to appease the young demographic********
- "states vote on who the privilege gets extended to" Except that Supreme court said that states can't discriminate over marriage, based on the 14th amendmentyuekit
- The whole idea of Constitutional rights is that some things should not be up for a vote.yuekit
- except that states can discriminate, you lost the plot buddy********
- Not when it comes to benefits of citizenship like marriage. That's what the Supreme Court ruling this summer was all about.yuekit
- bobkat1
This is the kind of shit that pisses me off when politics and religion meet (which they never should)...
http://www.theguardian.com/austr…
We will bomb the shit out out of your country and then decide which of you we like the look of to accept as refugees - cos our leader is a Christian and has based his power on a bit of Muslim scare-mongering.
Fuck this shit. I'm moving countries if the Australian Liberal government is not voted out at the nest election...
Any QBNers want me?
RANT OVER.
- atomholc0
- oh my god. i thought the farmer was photoshopped in.iCanHazQBN
- It's not haute couture, it's hate couture ...atomholc
- hows is it different from you hating the haters?yurimon
- You're hopeless. Go move to a primitive tribe in the third world.iCanHazQBN
- Hitler hated the jews... does that mean we can't hate the hater (Hitler)?iCanHazQBN
- There is a wrong and right, whether you're sensitive to it or not. The ones denying the rights of others are in the wrong.iCanHazQBN
- you simpletons never get tired of invoking hitler in every convo. big fucking yawn. intellectual midget, us vs. them shit********
- So icanthaz, how much dependence on government do you need to have in order to be progressive? 0-100% pick a number.yurimon
- How can you disagree with the basic premise that all people living in a civilized country should have equal rights?iCanHazQBN
- If this was 70 years ago, you would be the same people pulling excuse after excuse out of your asses for why blacks shouldn't have equal rights.iCanHazQBN
- You will say anything to justify your backward views.iCanHazQBN
- Show me what document grants you the right to marry. You haven't the slightest clue what rights are or what you are blathering about********
- And yes, pull the race card out of nowhere some more why don't you. You are soft in the brain********
- You're playing semantics. We all know what's implied by "right" as it applies to getting married and it being LEGAL and being officially recognizediCanHazQBN
- by one's government... and the benefits that come with being married that should be available for ALL.iCanHazQBN
- Right in the sense we are using it simply means you are legally entitled to do something.yuekit
- There are all kinds of references to rights in the legal code including when it comes to marriage. Learn basic English before you accuse people of being dumb.yuekit
- And gilgamush, I wasn't pulling "the race card". I was pulling the equal rights card. The blacks are just one group of people that have been discrimated againstiCanHazQBN
- by people with your mindset, decades ago. Before that, it was women. Now it's gays. You're on the wrong side of history.iCanHazQBN
- That's nice. Show me what document legally entitles you to marriage or you are both dumb********
- You will go to your granddaughter's lesbian wedding in 30 years and think in your head "gosh i hope nobody saw those messages i left on qbn long ago."iCanHazQBN
- lol, 30 years. you invoke hitlers image, call people racists, and now insinuate that i am a homophobe. you sir are a clown. show me the document that grants you********
- the right to marriage you dumb fuck. it is very simple********
- for all you know i am a gay black woman so cut the shit and argue the point or shut your stupid ass up********
- Plenty of government laws dealing with marriage. Not sure what point you are trying to make.yuekit
- show me this 'government law' that grants you marriage as a right. oh that's right, you can't, because it doesn't exist. you guys wanna defame people and misuse********
- legal terms and redefine them relative to your social agenda but can't argue the mother fucking point for a single second********
- lol, government issues licenses that grant people legal rights for being married. There are plenty of laws covering this.yuekit
- Stop pretending you are some kind of legal scholar.yuekit
- is that the best you can do. we are talking about the right to marry not the legal privileges marriage grants. once again you don't know what the word means********
- lol, gov cant grant rights. your rights come from god. they can give you privileges, or violate your rights.yurimon
- That's how the right to marry exists in the legal code. You go to an office and get a license which says you are married.yuekit
- The whole point of the Supreme Court decision was that as long as government issues marriage licenses for some people, it can't deny them to others.yuekit
- You seem to think it matters that there isn't a piece of paper somewhere saying "YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO MARRY." It doesn't.yuekit
- well that would be the official stance on paper at least********
- If you want to pursue crackpot legal theories like that, take it up with the U.S. legal system. Which doesn't take your view seriously.yuekit
- dude, you are very misinformed. go read something bro, you are sounding like an ignoramus********
- lol, I'm not the one arguing a ridiculous view of things that has no basis in actual law.yuekit
- But yes, the nature of inalienable rights have been distorted in this case. Marriage is a side show********
- Instead of calling people stupid, why don't you explain how your theory has any relevance to the real world or how the legal system currently treats marriage.yuekit
- marriage is a religious institution, civil law is wrong in appropriating it. the controversy lately doesn't address this because the topic is a sideshow********
- The reality is that in modern day society it's a civil institution. You don't have to be religious to get married, and that's not going to change anytime soon.yuekit
- yuekit you are basically justifying and praising your enslavement haha!yurimon
- inbred religious nuts!organicgrid
- IRNlun60
Is there no legal recourse to remove a county clerk if they fail to perform their job? She's clearly unwilling to issue licenses so why not just start the process of her removal? Jail for someone who's unwilling to perform a service due to religious convictions seems completely unethical and tactless.
- Seems so simple right?monospaced
- lol, lets jail some one for their religious beliefs. now we are talking. burn baby!yurimon
- not so easy i see.. well, I guess she's our newest cult hero
http://www.buzzfeed.…IRNlun6 - https://media4.giphy…utopian
- lol @ honest dick tate. so whos the fascist in all this?yurimon
- She's a public employee, and should serve the tax payers who pay her salary (including gay people).yuekit
- meh, jail was a bit much. marriage as a civil institution is pretty silly anyhow********
- But realistically that's not going to change anytime soon.yuekit
- Silly as it may be, everyone should have the right to it.iCanHazQBN
- it isn't a right you dumb fuck. do you understand what rights are********
- I don't think you do.iCanHazQBN
- Oh then enlighten me. Show me what grants you the right to marry********
- The fact that you and your wife can get married and file a document in a government office and receive the benefits that come along with being married...iCanHazQBN
- is what you are being granted. And it is also what is NOT being granted to gay couples (not until recently).iCanHazQBN
- Personally, I believe because she works for the govt who sanctioned gay marriage she should resign her post. However,Hayoth
- She should not have been jailed. That's psychotic dictatorship territoryHayoth
- so in stead of examining why a religious institution has been co-opted by civil law, you want to bitch about how unfair it is that the religious types have trac********
- traction on this intrinsically religious matter and in stead of arguing law, throw around the word 'rights' without any concept of what the word means********
- why do have a license for marriage? states have rejected marriages, rarely these days however. you cant argue it as right. only in the common law.yurimon
- fucking idiots********
- this is what you doing in an application people.yurimon
- petition, A written address, embodying an application or prayer from the person or persons preferring it, to the power, body, or person to whom it is presented,yurimon
- for the exercise of his or their authority in the redress of some wrong, or the grant of some favor, privilege, or license. In practice. An application made toyurimon
- a court ex parte, or where there are no parties..yurimon
- Make all the abstract arguments you want, realistically government is not going to get out of marriage entirely anytime soon.yuekit
- So in the meantime, are you going to defend the right of some low level bureaucrat to selectively enforce the law?yuekit
- Funny how it's only once gay marriage passes that conservatives start arguing about how government should get out of marriage.yuekit
- no, she is an asshole, clearly. persecuted folks trying to be part of the problem is the argument********
- like i said 2 sides of the same sheeple. you fell alseep in civics class? or your gov forgot to tell you the difference of rights and privilages?yurimon
- We're talking about how the law works in practice. Stop pretending you understand stuff better than everyone else because you read a libertarian blog.yuekit
- This stuff actually does make a difference to people's lives. I doubt you would be so dismissive if some random gov. official started taking away your rights.yuekit
- yukit ked, you are deluded, no one took away the right to marriage, it never existed in the first place********
- Well I guess people have been wasting a lot of money on weddings and divorce lawyers then, you should get the word out to them.yuekit
- in their heart of hearts they already know********
- I never really understood 'rights'. What are rights and why do people think they're owed anything?********
- Really you only have the 'right' to something if you're strong enough or able enough to take it.********
- That said, this dumb fuck needs to hurry up and die...********
- Right are not granted by any authority, they are given to you by birth via the divine creator. states can not grant rights. they can only take them away.yurimon
- The whole point of rights is that you dont have to ask a king or a government to do something. this whole situation is really not progressive to pray to theyurimon
- state for a license...yurimon
- Well I spoke to the divine creator and he said gays should be able to marry...so thereyuekit
- thats cool, if you believe something is a right you dont get permission from the state. its ass backwards thinking.yurimon
- Only problem is that we live in this thing called a society, and the only way to make it work is to have mutually agreed upon rules.yuekit
- But I'm sure it will work great on your anarchocapitalist amish commune, with everyone declaring their own rights.yuekit
- Rights don't exist. It's made up bullshit.********
- yuekit there is a whole history and struggle behind breaking away from tyranny of central institutions, monarchy, church. you name it. for you to make fun ofyurimon
- the billions that died in the struggle so they dont have to ask permission to do something is just ignorant and cold. to turn around and beg the gov foryurimon
- permission is just backwards. its like the dog that is happy when the owner takes out a leash to take him for walk. the leash is your freedom.yurimon
- I'm not making fun of them, just people like you who think you have the answer to everything.yuekit
- Pot calling the kettle black, just a bit.********
- You call it "begging the government". It's not begging, it's the democratic process of changing laws based on an evolving society.iCanHazQBN
- The legal ability to get married is what gays are after... specifically, the full benefits that come with marriage, the ones listed here: http://www.nolo.com/…iCanHazQBN
- Is that clear enough for you? Go ahead and divert the subject like you always do... bullshit semantics on what you believe the word "rights" means....iCanHazQBN
- fixed link: http://www.nolo.com/…iCanHazQBN
- Government is really just a way of people coming to agreement on a common set of principles anyway.yuekit
- Like set said above, you can self-declare all the "rights" you want, but unless other people respect them (or it can be enforced at the point of a gun) it'syuekit
- meaningless. So rights exist in the context of society, not as something you invent on your own.yuekit
- lol, exactly. if you don't want people to divert the subject then don't use words that don't apply. then again your style of arguing is calling people racist a********
- and homophobic if they don't share your world view so it's not a big surprise that your arguments are founded on buzzwords, fallacious logic and fictitious law********
- Oh, please. Everyone knows what's implied by the statement: "Giving gays the right to marry".iCanHazQBN
- The use of the word "right" has been used in this context during this entire (decades-long) fight for gays wanting to get married.iCanHazQBN
- you prob could be more efficient if you had you own shared community, prob cheaper also if you some things were done this way. just fact.yurimon
- this is the grave society has been digging with more and more power integrated into inefficient institutions that take your money, while you get less for it inyurimon
- You knew exactly what we were talking about and what society means by "gays having the right to marry". You were playing bullshit semantics.iCanHazQBN
- if you were a much more better organized community. its backwards bro. its not progress. need a gov stamp of approval how romantic...yurimon
- It's not about romance. It's about the full benefits that come with being married.iCanHazQBN
- We need licenses for all sorts of things, like driving, and owning a business, etc. This is what it's like living in an civilized first world country...iCanHazQBN
- ...There are laws and structure. If you want to live without a government, go move to a tribe in Africa....iCanHazQBN
- ... and then when someone stabs you with an arrow or takes your cattle for no reason, there is zero you can do about it.iCanHazQBN
- wow public school everyone. we bombed iraq for you safety, you want these iraqis having weapons of mass destruction? go live in russia you unpatriotic cunt...yurimon
- while i stand corrected on the legal side of the marriage rights argument, marriage as a civil institution is all the way fucked up. the legal ramifications of********
- marriage can be acted out using various other legal contracts. gay marriage is a token issue, and a hollow victory for civil rights********
- And sorry for calling you a stupid fuck icanhaz, you have questionable argument tactics but that wasn't right of me to rip you down********
- ********0
She wasn't jailed for denying licenses. She wasn't jailed for religious beliefs. She was jailed for Contempt of Court.
This woman had the law explained to her, and given more opportunity to deal with this than anyone should expect from the legal system.
It was her right to appeal to the Supreme Court, and they denied her appeal.
Religious freedom does not include choosing which laws you will obey. The defence "But, God says that..." won't hold up in court in any respectable country. And let's hope it never does.
- Your rights come from god nb. if you are in the common law.yurimon
- "Whereas Canada is founded upon principles that recognize the supremacy of God and the rule of law"yurimon
- https://www.youtube.…yurimon
- That's just the preamble, it holds no legal weight.********
- Religious people are sometimes trying to use it to further their cause, but they lose every time. Because God has no place in our laws.********
- it does. you just dont know how to use it. its most important part. its written like a trust. so is the us. its very important. why you think they trying toyurimon
- crack down the freeman movement in ca?yurimon
- The whole point of enlightenment and secularism was that you shouldn't build a society around religion. Most people consider that progress.yuekit
- yeah thats obvious, it was to build around natural law.yurimon
- retarded religious folkorganicgrid
- pango5
- LOLchukkaphob
- hahaha!Krassy
- very specific grocery listFax_Benson
- GeorgesIV0
"The essenes did it already blah blah"
"Its already on Android since 2 years blah blah"Sorry but no one gave a shit when they came with those new dogmas, when Jesus copy them, everyone (lots of people) care. So Jesus have something the other dont have. Thats the game. Jesus wins on that, so Tetragrammaton and Odin can invent all the new laws and commandment they want, Jesus will always be more popular with them. The stronger win. And Jesus is stronger. Accept it.
- ********2
@Gilgamush: For some reason you're obsessed with the idea of seeing a document that shows the "right" to marry. You claim that we don't understand the meaning of the word "right".
Here is a list of 14 cases where the Supreme Court has ruled that marriage is a fundamental right. The list is annotated with links, so you can read the documents, if that makes you feel better.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma…Here is the syllabus from the most recent Supreme Court ruling. It mentions "right" 76 times. Read the passages, they explain in plain english how the Supreme Court has ruled that marriage is a "right".
http://apps.npr.org/documents/do…Now, I presume you're going to say that the Supreme Court doesn't count because it's not in the Bill of Rights, or in the Old Testament, or tattooed on George Washington's ass, or something like that.
Regardless of your opinion, it is completely normal for everyone in America to assume a "right to marry". I'm basing this on over a century of language from the Supreme Court.
My point is this: We are not the oddballs for referring to marriage as a right.
- Why is this not not true?********
- a right you can exercise with impunity without a license. the argument that you are begging the state is for a right is backwards and contrary to being free.yurimon
- Oh great, now gilgamush is creating extra usernames for himself. Can we ban these trolls?********
- @yurimon: Good job choosing your own personal definition of the word "right". The rest of us will continue to use it in the current and correct way.********
- thats how rights work. if you have a right to do something you just do without state permission. if the state puts you in jail for doing something thats rightyurimon
- then your right were infringed or stolen. I posted the definition of a license, def of a petition which is an application for a license. what dont u understand?yurimon
- yuri you seem to have trouble distinguishing between reality and fantasy. What nb is talking about is how rights are defined in the U.S. legal system, not youryuekit
- imaginary utopia. Rights are dependent on state laws and mutual agreement by society. Maybe you don't like that, but that's the way it actually works.yuekit
- I'm guessing your definition of mutual agreement is in defense of the general populace acting in ignorance of the reality.yurimon
- this how political correctness works. people are brainwashed to believe what is contrary to reality and everyone has to go along with it = society.yurimon
- Marbury v. Madison, read the case.yurimon
- but it works, if you have you have everyone acting on assumptions, you can build a nice institution base around where people are completely ignorant dependent.yurimon
- what i love is the arrogance and ego that usually flourishes around these assumptions.yurimon
- Your arrogance of accusing the vast majority of people (including scholars, Supreme Court, etc) of "acting in ignorance of reality." Lulz********
- i think scholars know the difference between rights, privileges, licenses, legal rights etc.yurimon
- read the case, its supreme court scholars.yurimon
- Assuming the majority of scholars agree with your fringe right wing theories = arroganceyuekit
- this is not right wing. its how rights work. it is what people fought for, to be left alone and not petition the gov and be free. you guys are opposite.yurimon
- Your view of government is very simplistic. Government exists for a reason, in part because it's the most efficient way to protect people's rights.yuekit
- if i controlled your education and wanted more power, id have u believing the same thing. build a nice institution base of control, have double speak pc thingyurimon
- have people like you worship me while being atheist. fuckin brilliant, i tell, you this organized crime scheme is genius.yurimon
- Libertarians are a dime a dozen these days and most of them are hypocrites. They whine about how oppressed they are but choose to live under the same system asyuekit
- the rest of us. Much like Ayn Rand who ended up relying on Medicare at end of her life. Complain about government all you want, actions speak louder than words.yuekit
- i read your list and those cases for marriage as a right prob based on traditional man woman, def. you prob just want to change the legal definitionyurimon
- to be inclusive of other genders. totally different.yurimon
- by your logic, you like to take up the ass and there is no hope. what you are saying. you bow down to gov when squeezed.yurimon
- 2nd of all im not libertarian. im relying on what is written as law of the land.yurimon
- You make over the top comments about how people are oppressed and raped by gov. but fail to consider how the alternative could be worse.yuekit
- My point was not about the definition of marriage, it was about how we define a "right", in our society. The society we actually live in.********
- Not the hypothetical made up delusion of a world that you've created in your mind.********
- you mean the society of big corporatist gov. and over reach of authority. okyurimon
- there is different types and dif contexts for rights. so start broh.yurimon
- lol, i was busy for eight or nine hours and everything goes to shit. no nb, you twat, i am me, the one and only gilga, don't need fake usernames to hide behind********
- that aside, thanks for providing your evidence, i stand corrected. i think it's complete fuckery but regardless, you have proved your point********
- Why is this not not true?
- iCanHazQBN1
"a right you can exercise with impunity without a license. the argument that you are begging the state is for a right is backwards and contrary to being free." -yurimon
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Yes, sure... a gay couple CAN exercise the action of getting married without a license. Yes, they can stand in front of a priest and say their vows (or however they want to do it). BUT, this gay couple will not be legally eligible for all the legal benefits that come with being married. Benefits: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encycl…
They can't file for taxes together. Well, they CAN file them, but the taxes will not be accepted (not until this latest Supreme Court ruling happened). So the gay couple can be married in their own minds, yet at the same time not receive the full benefits... and that to yurimon is still "being free"??? LOL.
So that's the point. They're fighting for the equal and full benefits that straight couples get. Is that too hard for you to understand?
You can call it "begging the government" in your own mind. But we the people are the government. We elect those people. And if we try hard enough, we can change the laws as our society progresses. That's how a civilized nation works. It's not begging, it's society realizing a change needs to happen, and then coming together to put laws in place to prevent others from being discriminated against in the future. Otherwise, we'd still be burning witches.
- Tell me how free you are filing taxes on your labor that you own. explain to me please this freedom.yurimon
- let me know how your election process has been working out for you.
change!, change!yurimon - LOL. That fact that a Democratic SOCIALIST is seriously challenging for the White House shows exactly how things can change in this country given enough time.iCanHazQBN
- And I gladly pay for taxes on my labor, for the sake of a healthier overall society.iCanHazQBN
- tell me how the war on drugs is going for you. how safe everyone is in their nice cozy cell for victimless crime... change!yurimon
- nobody is disputing or advocating discrimination. here. its sad that before people fought to be independent, moral and private without interference of a king oryurimon
- Eh? It's pretty much the liberals who want to end the "war on drugs". We want to shut down a bunch of private prisons.iCanHazQBN
- gov, now people equate trying these benefits as freedom, by integrating into a corrupt system that has subverted you into a virtue. knock yourself out.yurimon
- You wanna be "independent & private"? Fine, live in the middle of nowhere and grow your own food and never interact with the millions of people in your country.iCanHazQBN
- hows your tax $ bombing children with drones working on your conscious. im sure you are fine cause no blood on your hands?yurimon
- If you think you can have a country with 300M people in it without any rules, laws, or structure... you're insane. You're basically asking for anarchy 24/7.iCanHazQBN
- You're talking to a liberal here. Why on Earth would you assume that I support using exorbitant amounts of tax money for unjustified wars??????iCanHazQBN
- yuri is right about the income tax being constitutionally unfounded though. and yes, end the war on inanimate objects, such a farce to begin with********
- You think freedom is easy? its hard, you have to strive to be a better person. this country was chance for the individual to be king. has it failed? prob.yurimon
- you can be a child of the state, with rules and benefits. you can say the multiple choice of channels, products, ass to be had as freedom. just leave it at thatyurimon
- If individuals are kings, they rich will use the poor as slaves, and only the rich are free.iCanHazQBN
- In this capitalistic nation, there's no law for paid vacation time. An employer (an "individual king") isn't obligated to give an employee any vacation time.iCanHazQBN
- there is several systems in play here if you want to understand jurisdiction. ucc law and maritime law. common law. you have to know whats the difference?yurimon
- In more progressive nations, there are laws that guarantee an employee paid vacation time... to prevent people from turning into slaves working for the rich.iCanHazQBN
- So one can say that having more government can actually allow more freedom than NOT having a government.iCanHazQBN
- For whats its worth. with all these rules and laws, isnt the environment fuckd? shouldn't we be in some sort of paradise? or are you going to say there arentyurimon
- enough laws? you going to blame the right? if only we ban hate? come one dude wake up already. does this sound real to you?yurimon
- by your logic, we have more laws and agencies, benefits, and debt we have ever had. the size of gov is huge. 30% of the economy and growing. by your logicyurimon
- and voting cause we are the gov, we should be in a fuckn utopia right now.yurimon
- You act like I'm saying "if only gays had equal rights, then everything will be perfect". I'm not. That's ludacris. It's just one of thousands of issues.iCanHazQBN
- We have massive debts because of wars that the Right started and Wall St. corruption that the Right refused to regulate.iCanHazQBN
- This conversation is diverting off-topic, and I'm really not looking forward to discussing this in tiny side notes.iCanHazQBN
- everything is linked to not just how we live or act in individual capacity but also as a society, we are to divided as a people over trivial shit. its alsoyurimon
- to our financial system. what we have now has been warned to us 200 years ago. its nothing new, just repeat of history and we have been mind fucked out ofyurimon
- reality, were we as a group cant come up with solutions on our own. thats what i see in the general public. will we over come this corruption and take over?yurimon
- hope so. it might get worse before better, if we cant get back to certain fundamentals that work and sustain great civilizations. by great i dont mean we haveyurimon
- ipads, just the balance we require as people to be healthy, happy strong. thrive best we can.yurimon
- We need a thread for discussing big vs little government, the convo always goes back to that********
- i_monk0
We've had marriage equality in Canada since July 2005. Neither Satan nor God have shown up, no cities have been scrubbed from the earth with apocalypses, straight people are still marrying, and kids are still mostly turning out to be straight too. Relax, Yankees.
- :Dmonospaced
- very few people in the u.s. give a single fuck about marriage in any capacity. look at the divorce rates, it's a wonder that anyone even bothers anymore********
- although those divorced couples probably thought it would last forever when they were married... I think people do give a fuck stillmonospaced
- you want to here a story of equality, girl wants visa. falsely claims violence on her bf. gov responds against guy even thoughyurimon
- proof exists claim unfounded. court gives her benefits and lawyer, grants her citizenship. this works for CA and europe also.yurimon
- hear..yurimon
- lol, mono, is rolling the dice soon.yurimon
- doesn't mean i don't take it seriously, you fucking assholemonospaced
- Yea that was uncalled for yuri********
- i didnt mean anything by it. so sorry if it sounds harsh.yurimon
- your little anecdote was not related to the topic, and then you made some jab at me insinuating that I'm somehow gambling my marriage before I'm even married.monospaced
- nevermind, go ahead and keep on shitting on everything as you domonospaced
- listen it was your comment about marriage. this joke prob if I was one of your friends would be funny, im sure, if said like ment in a bachelor type manner.yurimon
- You asshole. It wasn't even my comment it was i_monks. Such a fucking dick.monospaced
- Enjoy your life forever alone.monospaced
- im not alone but good to know you have a sense of humor.yurimon
- Yurimon's Humour is way over there -->
<-- Everyone else's humour way over there.pango - Gods, Grits and Guns!organicgrid
- bliznutty0
this is an example of an individual with knowledge of himself, and thus the is the master of his own universe.
listen closely as this man explains the secret to life - what i like to call 'Wizardry 101'
just need to listen to first minute:
- basic kabbalah, difference between knowing the path n walking the path. have you walked the path of the sephirot. nah sayin? word ta _ _ _yurimon
- he was fucking jokingmonospaced
- he did, have basic kabalah pre k concepts, joking or not.yurimon
- nah sayin?yurimon
- where you get off tell me boot jokes? with your serious az. you so serious that even
Eric Snowden couldnt photoshop you smiling. nah sayin? baaam!yurimon - Nomonospaced
- haha, you got served! son!yurimon
- If you say so buddy.monospaced
- See wat um sayin' son!organicgrid
- i_monk0
New Mexico woman ordered to take religious classes because she's an atheist, then takes away her kids:
- not really how it went down according to the article at all but whatever, fucked up situation none the less********
- That's exactly how it "went down". Watch the video.iCanHazQBN
- no it isn't, her being atheist isn't why the court ordered her to take classes, and that's not what the classes were supposed to be about. Read the article********
- salzman's word against pepper's word. Saltz says pepper is pushing it on her. pep says salz had asked to talk about religion. he say, she say********
- Religious Goonsorganicgrid
- not really how it went down according to the article at all but whatever, fucked up situation none the less
- bliznutty0
- Very, very few people actually think Odin and Thor are real, that's why it isn't called religion.i_monk
- Batman is just a guy with some high tech equipment. He could totally be real given a billionaire who was sufficiently motivated to fight crime.qoob
- It was a very serious religion for thousands of years for that group of people, and Odin and Thor were very real for them.monospaced
- The monotheistic religions kinda monopolized the western world, assimilating and destroying all of these pagan religions.monospaced
- Thor and Odin, fake ass gods...Zeus and Hercules on the other hand..._niko
- Another fallacious argument from a death metal guy? Listen some chill out man.Beeswax
- Fallacious how?monospaced
- this is kinda basic..garbage
- shhhhh guys this guy knows how the universe is made. shhhyurimon
- Jesus has pretty well laid historical trail. Pretty cool God's son dies so we can sin and be forgiven.Hayoth
- I can't even tell if yuri and Hay are defending faith or not.monospaced
- ^formed
- so you guys are replacing one type of death cult for another?yurimon
- No.monospaced
- @Hay You're kidding right, there is no evidence for a historical Jesus?
Also, this fellows clever athiest argument is fallacious on several levels.Morning_star - It's his observation and analogy. Nothing fallacious about it. It's pretty much true too if you think about it.monospaced
- historical narrative doesn't fit the biblical one exact. there are people who qualify but the over all story is astro theological though ancients loved toyurimon
- mirror the heavens n the earth, as above n below.yurimon
- utopian1
A GOP official told The Hill that the resolution sputtered because of the perception that the pope was “too liberal” and is “sounding like President Obama” by talking about inequality.
- utopian2
Infamous Kentucky Clerk Kim Davis Violates Judge's Order, Could Soon Return to Jail
