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- chukkaphob3
- Now if that was what Kim Davis looked like, i wouldn't blame the Pope for meeting herlocustsloth
- pango1
the ritual...
- GeorgesIV1
PRAISE DA LAWD!!!
- chukkaphob0
- MOVE BITCH
GET OUT THE WAY
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GET OUT THE WAYmoldero
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- utopian1
- these people make me want to worship satanmoldero
- these people do worship satanmonospaced
- Bitch is looking fabulous.i_monk
- utopian0
- Because God told us everything we need to know already.pango
- i love the way he looks craz stonedautoflavour
- ^hahamoldero
- love this!chukkaphob
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- imbecile6
- Oh-Mehr-GerdRamanisky2
- He suffered from depression and bipolar disorder. He was abused and picked on as a child. In his right mind, he knew what he did was wrong and asked forgivenessSteveJobs
- Timmy, this is why we don't judge.SteveJobs
- no commas!doesnotexist
- yurimon-8
- utopian3
Six members of the Word of Life Christian Church in New Hartford, New York, have been arrested after the 19-year-old son of two of the suspects died from blunt force trauma injuries, police announced Tuesday.
- i_monk1
http://99percentinvisible.org/ep…
The story of a religious cult taking over a town in Oregon, importing and converting 4,000 homeless to outnumber the residents, poisoning 700 residents to stop them from voting against them, and drugging and sterilizing dissenters.
- chukkaphob2
So why do bad/horrible things happen to good people?
- There's no answer, because there is no "why" in this. Good and bad/horrible things happen to people, good or bad, all the time.monospaced
- I don't believe some cunt in the sky gives a shit about our lives, but you could argue that 'bad things' are there to teach you lessons...********
- Because God works in mysterious ways. It's all part of a larger plan. Don't be a prim8 enlighten yrslfqoob
- lol don't be a prim8 m8********
- yeah wut qoob said, praise Jesus!moldero
- hahahachukkaphob
- because they fackin up brohscarabin
- chukka, that is your perception.bklyndroobeki
- what is my perception?chukkaphob
- That********
- I am not to have my own perception?chukkaphob
- Whose perception am I supposed to have? lolchukkaphob
- http://i.imgur.com/E…utopian
- @utopian hahah!chukkaphob
- Cause and effect.i_monk
- cause and effect? you do good is the cause and the effect is something bad happens to you? say what?chukkaphob
- can you be more specific?yurimon
- mono was right with 1st comment - summed it up.fadein11
- @yurimon more specific? what are you asking? how about this: a good person dying in a car accident or from cancer.chukkaphob
- everyone has a specific set of circumstances and some good people dont have bad stuff happen to them.yurimon
- Obviously. Duh. That's not the question.chukkaphob
- Why would a loving God let something horrific happen to God-loving good people? That is the question, dude.chukkaphob
- most likely it's because that "horrific" thing is actually benefitting someone else :)monospaced
- that's the thing about "good" and "bad," it's almost always a point of perspectivemonospaced
- not really. evil exist. its part of the duality. just because you believe in something doesnt mean you are acting in providence.yurimon
- you still have to refer to a specific situation.yurimon
- @mono how is the loss of an innocent child benefiting someone else? WTF??chukkaphob
- @yurimon so you're saying that God is evil? for allowing for a deadly disease like cancer to take an innocent person's life??chukkaphob
- Why do good things happen to bad people?
They just do. Life is about the good and the bad. The struggles and victories, no?SteveJobs - @chukka "most likely." also, I'm just playing along with your game... I don't believe in Godmonospaced
- @yuri, evil existing is just a perspective, but it's not an actual thing or forcemonospaced
- @Steve so you are saying that there is no just God and religion can't dictate the outcomes in life. Right?chukkaphob
- @mono ah, OK OK. Yes yes, yoou caught my drift and I see now how you're playing along :)chukkaphob
- no evil is a force, has energetic properties and qualities regardless of a perspective you hold. you are just not aware of it.yurimon
- its dif then personal evils, which is more along in giving into your psychological traumas and associative behavior, that is more perspective based.yurimon
- hey yuri, that's certainly a valid perspective and I won't shit on you for believing that, but I really don't have to and you can't just state your'e rightmonospaced
- my opinion that evil/good are man-made concepts is equally as validmonospaced
- @yuri, answer the question. Why does bad happen to good?? Why would God allow for it? When God and religion are supposed to be good and comforting?:chukkaphob
- of course they're man-made. There's plenty of proof (the ONLY valid proof) that bad/evil and God & religion are all man-made.chukkaphob
- @yuri so God created these evil forces just to fuck w/ people and cause trauma? The same God that supposedly promises heaven and bliss if we believe in Him/Her?chukkaphob
- pfft. weak sauce is weak! LOLchukkaphob
- you should ask in the "yurimon Q&A" threadmonospaced
- Nah. Not asking him anymore. He's clearly a weak debater tangled up in his own confusion. No thanks. LOLchukkaphob
- Cause and effect meaning everything happens because something caused it. It has nothing to do with whether or not you're "good" or "bad".i_monk
- Thought undoubtedly being "good" or "bad" may increase your potential for various types of things happening to you.i_monk
- @i_monk so what causes the death of an innocent child or of a God-fearing "good" person? nothing? something? Does God have something/nothing to do with it?chukkaphob
- @i_monk, reads like you contradicted yourself from one comment to the next with regards to out come of being "good" or "bad" ??chukkaphob
- @i_monk are you saying that it DOES or does NOT matter if you're "good" or "bad" in the eyes of God and religion?chukkaphob
- Because you touch your self at night!pango
- @pango God-fearing "good" people don't do that. They are "bad" people. So no, you're not answering the question, although you made a ha-ha funny.chukkaphob
- God hates Africamoldero
- there is ones and it when it became conscious it created duality. and also there interesting variations of the duality in. gnostics believe evil was a by producyurimon
- On a biological scale order=good, entropy=evil. Therefore good and evil exist without morality and the good things that happen to bad people are irrelevant valu********
- Value judgements that further illustrate how myopic and clueless the human race is running around accumulating shit and behaving eccentrically********
- t of creation. also consider that you have free will and evil could be stopped anytime. just because it works as a force it doesnt mean it cant be dealt withyurimon
- Very few living things die of old age in nature but if a human's life is cut short we attribute it to evil. Pure foolishness. Cancer is a living thing that is********
- the perpetuation of evil happens when people individually act out of tune with natural law.yurimon
- Also a creature of order, it is no more evil than any other living thing********
- *bad thing happen to good people
Same shit though******** - in order to have society of this scale and indoctrinate people to participate, you need to create trauma. its the knowing or unkowing participation perpetuatesyurimon
- it in a cycle. each generation traumatizing the next.yurimon
- there is a division or slight schizophrenia that happens in the individual in your existence in this particular type of society. the key here it become wholeyurimon
- @i_monk, spot on.bklyndroobeki
- i think more importantly what caused you to ask the question as an introspective?yurimon
- +1 to your statement on going against natural law being the nature of evil. That about sums it up to me. Of course, evil means so many different things to diffe********
- Different people. Most of whom think of it as a moral value judgement. Whatevs, personal prerogative********
- No religious person has EVER been able to give a sound answer to this question, the question that is the Achilles' heel of religion.chukkaphob
- And instead, just like the people who attempted to do so above, they either try to change the question, require more info, split hairs in defining terms....chukkaphob
- ...go in circles, write too much without being able to prove anything, challenge the person posing the questions, or go off on abstract tangentschukkaphob
- It is impossible to answer this question and convince people with a reasonable answer, because inherently, the existance of religion as known to human kind...chukkaphob
- ...fails to account for this very fallacy.chukkaphob
- It all stems from the only true fact that religion and God are man-made and not some supernatural powers.chukkaphob
- Bad things happening to good people or innocent people, or good things happening to bad people, have nothing to do with God and religionchukkaphob
- Depends on the reason i say is because some people drive this question from their own inner insecurities. like someone who feels helpless or fearfulyurimon
- and wants control of the outer world. where they fail to control themselves or the emotions that drive them.yurimon
- first of all religion is control system. 2nd of all the discipline most suited for your question is mysticism. 3rd even though some religions have are used asyurimon
- @yurimon say what? hahaha. uhm, no. Not the case at all. Not asking the question out of insecurities, helplessness or fears, no. Hahah!chukkaphob
- external control system, some of the ideas or principles, or so called myths have ideas. I dont know how well studied you are to really make the statement.yurimon
- Asking it for entertainment value because religious people ALWAYS trip on this question. ALWAYS. It's fun(ny) to read their responses.chukkaphob
- its like saying all books are made to make the publisher money. your last line of post to me are more emotional based issues you have in relation to what everyurimon
- urks you. you just chose this line of questioning to express what ever is going on psychologically for you.yurimon
- i think in this case it is most important of why you ask this question as opposed to getting an answer.yurimon
- @yurimon did you miss my answer to your question? Here, I'll copy and paste it in for you again:chukkaphob
- "Asking it for entertainment value because religious people ALWAYS trip on this question. ALWAYS. It's fun(ny) to read their responses."chukkaphob
- your own question and what you deem to be some sort of answer is really revealing of the dynamic of your inner psych issues. thanks for sharing.yurimon
- @yurimon LOL! psych issues? are you for real, dude? hahaha!chukkaphob
- @yurimon you can't answer the question so your ego hyperventilates, you bubble up with self-anger and lash out trying to attack! weakness is a bitch.chukkaphob
- de nile is a river in egypt. figures you are the one who would ask this question and not even aware of their own inner dynamicyurimon
- *your own. typo. http://www.conscious…yurimon
- @yurimon oh wow! U got me. haha! are you 12, dude? how did I get sucked into responding to your idiocy? i'm done with your immaturity & nonsense. grow up, kid!chukkaphob
- Chukka you are sounding like an embittered cunt FYI. Humans are not the greatest power, math and science is god********
- @gilga, are you @yuri's other account? name calling? pfft. name calling always says a lot more about you. And don't FYI me with name calling. Have some respect.chukkaphob
- i said you are sounding like a cunt, which you are. try not to be so sensitive. regardless, you clearly have a chip on your shoulder when it comes to religion********
- quite ironic after you just got done calling yuri all sorts of names for you to start crying though. give respect to get respect********
- because there is no such a thing as good and evil. universe or god doesn't give a fuck. it simply exist to exist. no fucks given.pango
- you are entitled to feel that way. it's a lazy of thinking that artismal types tend to gravitate towards though. it's funny how people who have degrees in math********
- and science find so much more meaning in life and the dichotomy of good and bad than creative types. there is a certain arrogance to spend your life emoting and********
- (*spending) doodling bullshit. there was good and evil on a biological scale before there were humans, or even this earth********
- kind of like how entertainers are usually quite depressed, artists are usually too wrapped up in themselves to acknowledge the greater creative forces. ironic********
- Good and evil is subjective. it implies that there is a standard, a bar. no there isn't.pango
- I don't doodle doodoo! I doodle a demand!pango
- ^ say that sentence really fast. it's fun. lolpango
- ^your wrong pango. their are different levels to the universe and it evil exists as force. the subjective approach is a trick. both forces can still benefit inyurimon
- use of natural law. just not aware of it cause it seems you havent done the work.yurimon
- You can't proof that. Such a thing good and evil as an force.pango
- the way we think things are, affects us the most.bklyndroobeki
- i cant prove you exist. pango.yurimon
- You might have a problem called "Asian guy who can't shut up in my head" problem. Go see a doctor.pango
- 100SFA!!!pango
- you're weird bro.yurimon
- That coming from you... I'm insulted :(pango
- @gilga first of all, I didn't use name-calling with @yuri (I pointed out some of his behavior: that he is a weak debater)chukkaphob
- @gilga second, even if I had used name-calling before calling him out for name-calling me, that would be hypocrisy and NOT an irony. Haha!chukkaphob
- pango makes a lot of good sense and knows how to contribute to a healthy debatechukkaphob
- http://i.imgur.com/U…pango
- http://cdn.makeagif.…********
- awwww he's upset.pango
- chukkaphob1
what's heaven like?
- http://i.ytimg.com/v…monospaced
- https://latinocultur…scarabin
- like a Vegas white party? LOLchukkaphob
- I'm not sold on the Heaven idea. Haha! Doesn't sound appealing at all.chukkaphob
- The religious creators need to go back to the drawing board and make it more exciting and appealing. Haha!chukkaphob
- boringgarbage
- at first glance I thought the comment was that heaven is "garbage" (posted by user "boring") LOLchukkaphob
- Accurate description. https://www.youtube.…********
- Oops. here's the full heaven link https://www.youtube.…********
- @nb LOL! Louis CK is a genius. So good!Krassy
- Explaining a place where spirits go is not something, I'd think, our physical minds could comprehend.SteveJobs
- I think that with heaven and hell, streets of gold and lakes of fire, are just metaphors used because anyone can understand them.SteveJobs
- @Steve how do we know about such places? Has anyone ever gone there and return to tell us what it's like???chukkaphob
- I don't think we do know except what the bible tells us (if you're talking about the Christians version of heaven and hell)SteveJobs
- https://38.media.tum…scarabin
- i hear inuits were keen on the idea of a nice warm hell when christian missionaries told them about itscarabin
- @scarabin haha! yes yes, Justice live circa 2007 did feel quiet heavenly!Krassy
- There's no heaven. It's man-made.chukkaphob
- correct, heaven is a catholic construct which pretty much says it all. your 'heaven and hell' is here in this life, on this earth********
- ^ O_O surprisingly. i would say the same thing. i guess you're not that crazy.pango
- well not really just the catholic. other religions believes in heaven and hell as well.pango
- Classic, if our opinions differ one of us must be crazy. Oh pango, you tire me********
- And you complete me.pango
- Btw I said your "not that crazy"
Geezpango - Another answer to this post.
*asses and tittiespango - OK, but you are Reese withouterspoon and I'm cruise plus a foot and ninety pounds********
- you mean like this? http://i.imgur.com/k…pango
- Or was is zelwegger, I don't remember********
- chukkaphob1
Why isn't there only one god and only one religion for all humans on earth to believe in?
- Why don't all unicorns shit rainbows?monospaced
- cash money babyzenmasterfoo
- Why are there no male Tooth Fairies?monospaced
- mono. you're blowing my mind now.chukkaphob
- mono. check it: https://www.youtube.…face_melter
- Not available in my country.monospaced
- Life would suck if we all believed the same thing. And just u proposing that is scary ei 1984.Hayoth
- Hayoth, so it doesn't "suck" to have tribes all over the globe waging wars and killing each other because of them believing in different Gods?? hmm.chukkaphob
- imagine...it's easy if you trymonospaced
- Wars are fought when people follow orders and are stupid or come from an abusive culture. doesnt matter the religion.yurimon
- Yurimon, have you not read some history? Educate yourself.chukkaphob
- Yes yurimon, and those orders are often, and have traditionally, been dictated by religious fervormonospaced
- Some would argue there is one God, but being free thinkers it's natural we'll come to different conclusions about a supernatural existence.SteveJobs
- @Steve so who is this one God you speak of?chukkaphob
- And why would this one God create so much confusion disguised as interpretation because of free will that in turn would cause endless wars in the world??chukkaphob
- but that system of indoctrination exists. human brain is very malleable if you create trauma you can control how a person acts out his trauma in life.yurimon
- you can blame religious people all you want. the micro aspect of a social structure is the individual who decides by which ever emotional or pseudo rationalyurimon
- means to carry out an action. evil initially rest on the individual, but the group psychology in evil action is to hide responsibility.yurimon
- @yurimon Blah, blah, blah. You're writing waaaay too much without actually saying anything of substance.chukkaphob
- The reason why there are at least 80 major organized religions is because when people were living in tribes not knowing of one another, geographically speakingchukkaphob
- ...each tribe created their own man-made religion and started worshipping their own man-made God(s)chukkaphob
- ...in order to explain life, death, their own existence, the know, the unknown, to combat fear of the unknown, and to find unity & purpose within the tribe.chukkaphob
- oh chukka, you are so caught in confusion over the difference between the personal god that you loath so much and the higher power that you must accept to not b********
- be some kind of sociopath. you do realize that there are powers that control you that you in turn cannot control. that's that higher power you are chasing, math********
- Math doesn't control anything. it simply is. it's a way to explain things. it doesn't have a will. it doesn't control.pango
- Math exists whether or not we observe it, and it most certainly controlles everything. You gotta get over the personal god complex that has you thinking about w********
- Wills and intentions, that shit is a fantasy. Math is god********
- Will and interim is fantasy? Personal god complex? Well and i call you crazy. Math only explain things. Nothing else.pango
- yeah chukphob needs some tlc from someone willing to do the dirty work for humanityyurimon
- Lol, math is the driving force behind everything, the idea that math didnt exist before we 'discovered' it is myopic bullshit. Like saying land masses didn't ex********
- Exist before Europeans 'discovered' them. Come on now pango, think about things for a second********
- Math always exist. 1 apple + Apple always = 2apples (there, should be simple enough for you to understand) people just put it into a written language format. Itpango
- Still doesn't control. It's like you are saying movie critics controls how well or if a movie is made.pango
- @pango, well put. Bravo!chukkaphob
- yes, well put, except that it indeed does mean that math controls everything********
- http://33.media.tumb…pango
- @gilga math doesn't control the universe; math explains it.chukkaphob
- Self centered ignoramous says what. Math didn't exist untill we observed it to be so? Slow down and think about it sonny boy********
- Nope. Math existed way before primate. 1+1=2 no matter what time you're from.pango
- Theeere ya go. See, exactly. Math is not a tool we use, it is the set of rules th e observable universe follows. Therefore, we do not controlled math, math cont********
- Controlles us, which makes it quite literally a higher power, I.e. god********
- No it doesn't control. It describes the rule.pango
- you are mistaken********
- it is the rules********
- @gilga, you exhibit extreme Platonism in which your view of the world is to accept mathematics to be the same as physical realitychukkaphob
- @gilga, it's just a theory that you subscribe to believe. Just because you believe something, that doesn't make it the absolute universal truth.chukkaphob
- Applied math is not subject to oppinions********
- Exactly. and you think that it controls, that's just your opinion man!pango
- @gilga applied math describes and explains the laws of nature, matter, energy, space & time, etc. It's a tool that explains; not a set of rules that controls.chukkaphob
- @&$#%€@$#%! People don't say the weather controls how the crops turn out. People say the weather "effects" it. To control you need will and intention.pango
- I control the volum of my speaker. Because I like loud music. The univers effects things. It doesn't control.pango
- Control - verb
1. To exercise authoritative or dominating influence over; direct.
2. To adjust to a requirement; regulate.
3. To hold in restraint; checkpango - The universe has no control over which planet crashes which planet. Drug addic has very little control over their itch.pango
- I can't control my self banging my head against the wall right now. O_O!pango
- math exists without us as humans codifying it. you guys are just self centered and downright stupid. math a tool? no dumb fuck, math was there before we were, b********
- before this universe was, your self importance is baffling********
- O_O I'm still banging my head against the wall. That's exactly what I'm saying about univers and math. Except the control part.pango
- How you described us was comedically ironic. LOL. Please quote me which I've been self centred and self importance.pango
- Also please define "control" because I think we have fundamentally learned the different meaning of control. Also please look up a dictionary.pango
- Are you running out of things to say that's why you started calling people names? Are you mad?pango
- why do i waste my time talking to you pango********
- Ya why do you?pango
- please please please answer my previous questions.pango
- i have already made it very clear and now i'm tired of repeating myself. goodbye********
- No you haven't.
• please define "control"
• quote me which I've been self centred and self importance.pango - • Are you mad?pango
- http://25.media.tumb…********
- ?
i guess you're just incapable of staying on topic. and there i was hoping you would have a constructive discussion.pango - http://i.imgur.com/V…
lol pango stop trying to think too hard, you might hurt yourself******** - ohhhh don't you worry about me. :)
• please define "control"
• quote me which I've been self centred and self importance.pango - no thanks, been there done that********
- no you haven'tpango
- Pango, Gilga is really confused about a lot of terms.chukkaphob
- He can't distinguish between basic concepts such as "irony" from "hypocrisy," and you're asking him to define "control?" LOLchukkaphob
- ...no wonder he gets so tangled up and upset with himself when discussing more complex concepts such mathematics, etc.chukkaphob
- Gilga is simply weak at debate. When he starts to lose ground, he does 3 things:
1) Changes the topic
2) Starts name calling
3) Stops answering questionschukkaphob - The definition pango gave works just fine and i haven't lost any ground. I have lost the desire to argue semantics with you two morons though********
- ^ case in point! ad hominem. Hahah!chukkaphob
- what point are you trying to make certainly nothing about math or god, there is no debate here, just you morons trying your hardest to contradict anything i say********
- go ahead troll, go on a 4 post flame spree over me. fucking idiots********
- @gilga, the more you write, and the more you use name calling, the more you discredit yourself. Just stop. It's OK to not know it all! Don't be mad.chukkaphob
- Gilga: https://33.media.tum…chukkaphob
- @gilga Bye Felicia!chukkaphob
- aw look, you are 1 side note short, what happened kiddo, you can do a better flame spree than that********
- oh yea, i forgot to mention that you are a pedantic dip shit and lack in basic critical thinking skills********
- And here we go again. A discussion turned into a trash talking contest. I asked you that question because without knowing your definition of controls we werepango
- Spinning in circle.
So please define "control"pango - Please come back~! we still love you!pango
- Reread the posts, all your questions have already been answered********
- No it hasn't. With all this time telling me it has, you could have copy and paste it already.pango
- take your time and read it as many times as you need to********
- Ya nope you didn't.pango
- Morning_star3
@ chukkaphob
_So why do bad/horrible things happen to good people?
The universe doesn't know what 'good' and 'bad' are, it just is. For instance, the cancer cells that destroy a 3 year olds brain don't know what 'good' and 'bad' are, they just do what they have evolved to do. How good and bad are interpreted is purely human and subjective. Because of this, your question essentially makes no sense as 'bad/horrible/good' are relative and subjective.
_What's heaven like?
Which one? Valhalla, Hades, Arcadia, Shamayim etc. Your question also assumes human 'souls' survive death in some way. Do they? And how would you know if they did?
_Why isn't there only one god and only one religion for all humans on earth to believe in?
Geographically humans required explanations for different events that were beyond their comprehension. The 'god of the gaps' changes depending on your circumstances.
- so which god you have depends on which one is convenient to you.pango
- pretty much.Morning_star
- An accident of birth.Morning_star
- Some people are good, death is bad, all people will die.********
- What is 'good'? Death is a process and neither good or bad. 'People' don't die, rather, a biological machine stops working.Morning_star
- Death is good. it's the most important part of our life. it makes us value our life more than if we were to live forever.pango
- and it arguably gives us a sense of time. a sense of urgency.pango
- Homo sapiens sapiens then. I think it's fair to say that death is seen as something bad by the vast majority. I was actually agreeing with you.********
- My point was that we as homo sapiens sapiens assign moral values to events that objectively have none (your cancer cells analogy).********
- To me death is good as well, it sublimates life.********
- But we are talking about generic answers to generic questions.********
- ya like i said. there's no such a thing as good and bad, or evil. it's all subjective, perception and interpretation.pango
- You're right O0O0O0. Apologies for jumping to the wrong conclusion. Answering these types of question successfully requires a limited and predefined...Morning_star
- ... context.Morning_star
- S'all good.********
- Spot on Morning. Good summary.monospaced
- Surely you've misread the first question, and are agreeing with the point it was making.********
- He meant it as in 'why do bad things happen to good people, if there is a God'.....********
- as in - there is no God with the personality traits of a man that is able to see and judge all of our lives.********
- Which is obviously true to anyone with even a small cluster of brain cells********
- Thanks Set. Although i think the framing of questions like these is fundamental. For instance, what is Good? what is Bad? which God? If the god in question...Morning_star
- ...assumed the traits of Kali, Set ;), Astarte it becomes a very different proposition.Morning_star
- A virus or parasite that might cause a human suffering is just trying to survive. Just like we, as a species, are doing. We are this planet's sufferin parasite.Projectile
- on highest level, the universe responds equally to both forces in use of its natural laws. but both forces exist in a lower level. good n evil.yurimon
- That's an interest point Yuri. The existence of G&E is debatable and IMO beyond definition as they are truely relative and entirely subjective. Could you...Morning_star
- ...define 'evil' without referencing
a human act?Morning_star - without humans to ponder them, good and evil wouldn't exist or be definedmonospaced
- actually, I take that back... I feel like many social animals (great apes, dolphins, etc) have a sense of kinship, which is "akin" to good/evil conceptsmonospaced
- I am only a little high right now.monospaced
- C'mon dude.
Puff, puff, pass.Morning_star - Its an energy force, from a holistic point of view you cant take the human element out of the equation, because there is a relationship even though its rootsyurimon
- not in this reality. its has qualities, more of a energy thing. you can feel if you are sensitive enough. some it is resonance of bad things happening in theyurimon
- past at a specific places. so there are elements of interaction with people n influence sometimes if you are weak. this gets into more of greek culture of musesyurimon
- now we are finding out human brain is a filter or antenna scientifically. its just a semantic thing or bias of how people interpret archetypes in myths thatyurimon
- energetic qualities in nature. the whole reductionist theory and how irrelevant emotions are in certain aspects of human interaction with internal, externalyurimon
- elements holds back the progress between understanding subtle energies and their cause n effect.yurimon
- I don't know about animals Mono. G&E actions require perspective/review to assign a moral judgement. Chimps that attack and murder rival troup members..Morning_star
- ...don't have that 'moral' review to their actions. It's instinct, 'in built' without guilt. I think G&E only exist as a human concept.Morning_star
- you will see as science progresses and people start to understand again the past philosophies n observations in mysticism. you already see quantum physicsyurimon
- mirror some of the old explanations.yurimon
- yurimon, are you a primate? it's weird because you talk about the human brain, but claim you might not be onemonospaced
- Also, just because you think evil/good are forces does not remotely make that true. There's absolutely no evidence for that or that we can sense them.monospaced
- it's a cute perception and concept, but certainly unprovable and about as far from the current state of reality as anyone can get, based on what we knowmonospaced
- I didnt make this up bro. also just because you have been lead to believe certain things under the umbrella of reason or normal doesnt make it true.yurimon
- first of all you are assuming you are the peak of your human senses or perceptions which is false. fairly interaction with subtle forces is pretty new as faryurimon
- as science is concerned. however was an awareness in consciousness from the past that understood subtle forces, or by products of energy fields.yurimon
- you may not agree with their methods but its something that is being borrowed from now in science.yurimon
- Yuri, I can empathise with your perspective regarding human sensitivity to 'fields and energies'. However, it's still subjective, i don't think you can say...Morning_star
- ...something is 'evil or good' by definition. It is personal interpretation that brings meaning to the event.Morning_star
- i hear what you are saying but its just semantics. if it had a scientific name to it maybe more credible? I dont think in this being subjective is bad becauseyurimon
- if something effects us in some way it still will be judged as positive or negative to our well being.yurimon
- affects*********
- Yuri, I disagree. If you accept that human conciousness has the ability to receive and transmit information through a shared field, that still doesn't allow...Morning_star
- ...for interpretation. My evil and your evil will be different although we may be processing the same information.Morning_star
- @Morning_star My questions implied exactly the answers you provided. "Good" & "Bad," God, and religions are all man-made.chukkaphob
- Cool.Morning_star
- the simple precept that life/order is good and destruction/chaos is bad is the natural condition among all living things. it is shortsighted and arrogant to thi********
- think humans made up good and evil. it exists on a cellular level********
- has nothing to do with morality, i think that's where the miscommunications occur. morality is subjective, order and chaos are not********
- How do you define the celular evil you mention. Is it physical?, encoded in DNA?Morning_star
- entropy********
- Ok. What i consider evil and what you consider evil could be different although we may be processing the same information. It IS a moral judgement...Morning_star
- check out the works of ilya prigozhin on the matter, specifically how thermo applies to this convo. if you want more clarification i can suggest further reading********
- ..Entropy, on the other hand is, well defined and not subject to interpretation. How are these the same?Morning_star
- Thanks Gilgamush. I shall investigate.Morning_star
- ill give an example of energetic qualities and a human sensitivity. a new business moves in to a place. everything looks nice but its not doing well.yurimon
- the owner gets a recommends for a guy to come in. he walks in feels around and says there was a fire here some one died.yurimon
- im thinking wtf. serious as witness? later he does some rituals. blah blah. i come in next day try to observe and have to say something changed not sure what.yurimon
- I notice people who havent known anything have walked in an say how nice the place was, as before people werent so pepped up to be their. somehow on ayurimon
- subconscious level respond to the clearing. so out of curiosity i went to the guy several places to see what he does. and somehow everytime there was a turnyurimon
- around and in some places the owners were surprised at what he knew from just feeling in that no one knew but them. and trying to observe how subtle events ofyurimon
- the past can effect people on level they are not aware of in places.yurimon
- so the first business i mentioned turned around for better without anything other action but people feeling better when entering.yurimon
- My 3 questions were strictly rhetorical. Haha!chukkaphob
- Strange shit happens, i agree. However, my point is that taking your particular example, if you a number of people who were sensitive to the 'vibe' I would...Morning_star
- ...guarantee that they wouldn't come up with the same information. They may tap into the same information but how they interpret it will differ.Morning_star
- chukaphobia, dont be scared just because you have poor relationship with your innerds doesnt mean there is no merit in the question. derpyurimon
- still morning star. interpretation is valid if it was based on facts that happened of past events. just as accurate as a scientific instrument of its true.yurimon
- in most cases our instincts and senses can are instruments.yurimon
- There's the crux, "if it's true".Morning_star
- Yet Yurimon still can't provide a convincing evidence using science or none science method.pango
- M_ss, I am working off the self evident truth that life itself is good. Life is the representation of the pinnacle of order therefore order is good get my jist?********
- *m_s********
- And I'm sorry to say it Yuri, but all that supernatural shit is pure charletonry. All that misticism is custom made for people too soft to approach things using********
- The scientific method. People who indulge in feelings rather than logic********
- Lol, even pango recognizes it. Though then again, my mother swore she had witnessed a supernatural occurance so I don't look down on those who believe********
- Of course I recognize it! I'm the master of bullshit! No shit escapes me!pango
- not true. you havent had experience or met individuals with skills, sensitivity.. it all comes from religion anyway.yurimon
- How do you know if the guy has skill or high sensitivity? Back to the same question I guess. And again your perception on my experience is just an assumption.pango
- where can i find these persons of skill that you speak of yuri, we live fairly close to one another, maybe i will take the time********
- you want to go to india? not sure if hes alive still. he was old but could read what you thinking. some craz sheit.yurimon
- ohhhhh you one of those who went to india.pango
- I went lots o places. people with skills, ive been lucky to meet. so my experience with certain phenomenon is more then most.yurimon
- Yuri, do you think that under scientific protocol these guys would be able to reproduce the effect?Morning_star
- maybe, maybe not. science can deal with certain aspects or anomalies in nature, people. its to dismissive. it talk about not having emotion or bias but thenyurimon
- goes on to dismiss something that is witnessed or observed. wtf?yurimon
- you have to do better then that for a field of study. yeah its optimal for dealing with reductionist material aspects but fails on other ways.yurimon
- doesnt deal well when people tap into an ability or anomalous behavior or events that dont fall into its extreme views.yurimon
- doesnt mean the peoples emotions are not worthy of being senses for truth either. just because modern society is so divided and disconnected inside to tap thisyurimon
- consciousness or human potential, doesn't mean its not accurate. plenty of times people change a course out instincts which results in avoiding accidents oryurimon
- harm. so how can you argue if there is something greater to our senses if you are properly in-tune with them? this is part of mysticism? metaphysics?yurimon
- mothers that feel something happened to a child when there is some distance between them. these are all real and exist in the human realm but are brushed off byyurimon
- a system that is supposed to be unbiased to observation?yurimon
- All that falls into the study of neurobiology. There is a lot of work to be done in that field********
- it also falls under some types of mysticism the same.yurimon
- meh, that kind of discourse falls into the realm of philology and theology which are interesting in their own right i suppose********
- 100SFA********
- 100SFA!!pango
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@yurimon
Claiming that something that something is "just semantics" in a discusssion is just stupid. Because isn't a discussion about meaning what we mean anyway? Leave the fluff out of it.- 0o0o, a side note would have sufficed********
- so are you a new member or an old cunt?********
- it is semantics in if you take mysticism n old concepts and reword them in scientific language.yurimon
- your username looks like inside a btw https://www.meb.uni-…yurimon
- No Yuri, what you are doing is comparing a measurable process (Science) to folk tales and ritual practices (Mysticism) and determining that they are somehow...Morning_star
- ...similar. How?Morning_star
- if you look at quantum physics concepts of dimensions its comparable to concepts in some way kabbalah. also concept of a wormholes or blackholes. compare.yurimon
- I can compare apples an oranges, hence the figure of speech. Doesn't neccesarily lend the inferences gleaned any merit though********
- *and********
- its comparable because the difference is use of math but the concept is their just semantics is different.yurimon
- come again********
- Yurimon bro, take your time, where's the fire********
- On his pants!
Sry couldn't help it...pango - Wow... I applaud you guy who never give up. http://i.imgur.com/r…pango
- start with the book. it goes over origins of concepts in science. question did science observe the duality in the universe, proton, nuetron, or did mysticism?yurimon
- there is math in religion. the old stuff that built the pyramids was all in one mysticism even in india there are yogies doing high math from vedic traditionsyurimon
- Yup. Trig was sacred practice, aaaand. . .********
- it was part of one system.yurimon
- Yurimon, what was your drug of choice?********
- 0o0o, a side note would have sufficed
