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- oey_oey1
Went on vacation to Portugal with my partner and daughter.
Everything planned for three months already.
Then my parents got positive tests 4 days before we arrive.Change of plans...we went to stay with some friends of mine for three days in one city and then two nights in a hotel in another city.
The day arrived that we could finally move to my parents, as we drop our bags I thought about doing a test cause I was having crazy headaches since the day we landed, I even took my second painkiller for headaches in over 20 years.
I tested and I was positive.
Two days later both my partner and my daughter tested positive.Apart for the extreme headaches and annoying cough, I felt fit all the time and even did stuff with my daughter, went to a desert beach, for walks, alone with her in the playground...but I was positive for 12 days.
My daughter was positive for three days with around 40ºC fever every day.
My partner was one week laying in bed with different symptoms
every two days and persistent symptoms all the way through.
She was simply laying flat with rashes, headaches, cough, pain in the throat, in her legs and in her back, bit of stomach flu, kidney pain, tired...And so we passed our vacation and are very happy to be home again.
The good side of this was that we had it with my parents who just took care of us and provided everything we needed.
If we had it home, alone, we might have had a real problem with getting food, medication, etc...as we moved three weeks ago and don't have that many contacts.
- You have all the vaccines and boosters?shapesalad
- ^ yep, my partner too.oey_oey
- Pffff... I'm stay home this winter...shapesalad
- ^ this winter is going to be tough here in Germany. I mean this by recent german standards obviously.oey_oey
- Winter is Coming!utopian
- Those are very different symptoms, aside from the cough that I had in July. I had a the worst sore throat and a fever but none of the other things you listed.CyBrainX
- ah, sorry you missed out on such a beautiful place to experience. Portugal is lovely.dopepope
- you describe my family's experience with covid 2 months back, but we have zero vax here.pr2
- You got vaxxed for nothing. You punk!palimpsest
- My vaxxed and I’m vaxxed friends seem to equally effected, the vaxxed even seem to be worse off.Chimp
- AFFECTED motherfucker.palimpsest
- Solo hablas porque tienes boca!palimpsest
- What kinda fucking scientific measurements have you taken to make that claim?palimpsest
- If you don't wanna get vaccinated, that's on you. Live your truth.
Spare us your bullshit.palimpsest - If you wanna have a discussion, learn the language first.palimpsest
- I'm not here telling you to eat ass every week. Do your thing, bro.palimpsest
- You ok palimpsest? I was typing on my mobile got distracted and made a mess of the sentence.Chimp
- I'm OK. How you doing?palimpsest
- Hope you my reply didn't effect you much.palimpsest
- Also on a mobile.palimpsest
- Nope, all good here. Enjoying the pleasant weather.Chimp
- Good to know.palimpsest
- Mobile bros 4 ever!palimpsest
- autoflavour0
so covid came to visit our house last month.. My Daughter, wife and mother all got it.. my son and myself didn't.
We didn't isolate anyone, and in an attempt to not be in an endless rona cycle I was doing everything in my power to catch it from my wife, deep kissing etc..
I tried and tried to catch it.. didn't.
We are both with the same level of vaccination and my kids are the same..
so weird how it was gender biased.
apart from my mum who still has a lingering cough, everyone else basically had zero symptoms.
- odd for a highly contagious disease..zardoz
- Did you eat ass, though?palimpsest
- pics?drgs
- neverscared2
- Number one!
USA! USA!nbq - Wake up!utopian
- Deagle list of Countries Forecast 2025...
https://web.archive.…Elwin74 - Still all lower than the average covid death age.Hench
- Number one!
- drgs1
Any news about the virus?
You know.. to relax
- PhanLo5
My brother in-laws mum died last night, quite suddenly. When the paramedics arrived they mentioned that she still had her no resuscitation order on her record that was added during covid.
It wouldn't have mattered in her case, but I wonder how many other people will still have that on their record?
- neverscared-4
COVID-19: A Serious Vascular Disease with Primary Symptoms of a Respiratory Ailment
- ... for older people with underlying conditions like hypertension, diabetes, etc.
Just to fill in the important details.ETM - lol @ Dr Harold Shipman herekingsteven
- ... for older people with underlying conditions like hypertension, diabetes, etc.
- shapesalad4
What could go wrong?
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/heal…
"Boston University CREATES a new Covid strain that has an 80% kill rate — echoing dangerous experiments feared to have started pandemic"
- Chimp3
"Covid-19 ‘Most Likely’ Leaked From Lab in China, Senate GOP Report Says"
- a new report by Republicans on the Senate health committee. Hmmmmtank02
- @tank02 what parts of the study do you disagree with?Chimp
- Does make China's zero policy strategy seem a bit odd. What do they know that we don't? Maybe long covid's but a hint at something more sinister?Nairn
- I think you have to be very skeptical of these lab leak claims by now. There's been about a hundred different attempts to prove it and they all seem to fallyuekit
- apart under scrutiny.
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - Why should you be skeptical of the science?Chimp
- The science actually points to SARS-2 originating from the animal trade in China just like SARS-1.yuekit
- There isn't much debate among virologists or people who track diseases. It's on social media and for political reasons that the lab leak theory has taken off.yuekit
- It doesn't all you've done is found someone who disagrees with a scientific paper on Twitter.Chimp
- It's not a scientific paper, this is a report by Republican politicians. And these people I linked actually have published research on the origins like this.yuekit
- Perhaps you're letting your political beliefs cloud your judgement.Chimp
- https://www.science.…yuekit
- https://www.science.…yuekit
- Why do you find it so hard to believe it could have escaped from lab when it's happened so many times before?Chimp
- You have to look at the circumstances of the outbreak. The first people to get sick were workers at a market selling live animals that were slaughtered on site,yuekit
- And this market had already been predicted as a risk for diseases spreading from animals to humans.yuekit
- https://www.telegrap…yuekit
- It also wasn't in the same part of the city as the lab, it was a 30 minute drive away.yuekit
- Lab workers at the Wuhan lab were admitted to hospital with "flu like symptoms" before the outbreak.Chimp
- That's another rumor that was never proven, again coming from Republican politicians.yuekit
- chimp, its cherrypicking sciencetank02
- Check out the first paper I posted above, they do spatial analysis of the early cases and it clearly centers around the market.yuekit
- Where the intermediate host animal? Covid 19 came out oven ready for humans.Chimp
- *where’sChimp
- I'm not a subscriber. I can't say this isn't possible but trusting the likes of McConnell, Ted Cruz. Jim Jordan, etc. isn't very wise. They're a crime family.CyBrainX
- LOL he's still at itpango
- Couldn't it have originated from the market but also had samples present in a lab somewhere?akiersky
- I feel like the two aren't mutually exclusive. It's very possible they were already studying it, after finding it in the market earlierakiersky
- If it did originate naturally there would have been more outbreaks in other places just like Sars-Covid-1.Chimp
- I'm not a fan of the Republicans but even stopped clocks are right twice a day.Chimp
- yes.. very kool... who doesn´t want to have a broken watch .that truth it tells you dies after one atomsecond after you bought into it...neverscared
- Validity lost at GOP. No doubt this is full of “inaccuracies” at best. A broken watch can be right because it stops. Repubs never stop lying.imbecile
- GOP adopts too slow .. there watches must be broken... their truth is outdated and they think they are still on time although their watch has broken along timeneverscared
- Ah the classic, if you can't attack the message attack the author.Chimp
- One of the stories that came out of that report is already being questioned, it may end up being retracted.yuekit
- https://www.semafor.…yuekit
- @yuekit that doesn't dispute the main points. Looks like your grasping at strawsChimp
- From the beginning there's been all these political attempts to prove the lab leak happened.
https://www.wsws.org…yuekit - So like I said...it's not impossible, but you have to view a report coming from the GOP with a lot of skepticism.yuekit
- It doesn't answer why there weren't multiple outbreak sites.Chimp
- they look at their broken watches and unproven points like a retarted man and blubber the same things again and again although its not true.neverscared
- At some point you're going to have to forget you political beliefs and accept this most probably came from the lab like most people with common sense think.Chimp
- at the exact critical point singularity the watch starts ticking again and they will see they had it all wrong ...neverscared
- for 99.99999% of the time... which equals a total failureneverscared
- thats how ther common sense work....def. too late then for most people...neverscared
- the GOP lying is a classic of the classics.. u couldn´t build an archive big enough with their clownshow historyneverscared
- Most likely my dickcrazyprick
- shapesalad5
@Yuekit If, as you do, you believe the virus came from the live animals at the wet market - how come the people involved in capturing those animals and transporting them a considerable distance to the market... stopping along the way at restaurant and truck stops etc, how come they weren’t patient 1 of a highly, highly infectious virus, causing the virus to spread to those around them... Causing the origin of the outbreak to happen not just at the wet market but at the source of the animals and along the transport route to the market. Any thoughts?
Plus any thoughts on all the weird activities at the Wuhan lab that just so happened to be working on covid viruses. A facility built in conjunction with the French, who scientists and engineers were unable to sign off on the final construction and running of the lab as it was put together so poorly and ran poorly. There was supposed to be 10 French scientists working jointly at the lab, they all pulled out as the facility didn’t meet the required safety standards.
It was so obviously the lab as the origin. Don’t do foolishly lap up the CCPs lies.
The claims you make - are all based on things said by
Scientists involved in viral research who don’t want blame at their feet or funding cut. There’s one guy in particular who feeds this narative, p
Peter Daszak. Google him....As for the lockdowns in China they are nothing to do with covid. Firstly you have a system where by no officials want to report to their higher ups that they have a covid problem. So they throw insane measures at it to save face. Secondly there is an actual property market collapse in China, people are locked into mortgages on properties not yet even built, etc. evergrande near collapsed along with most other such companies in China. They were many protests. People refused to pay mortgages, banks froze accounts and limited withdrawals. Add to that high unemployment due to falling demand for ‘Made in China’, far too many men vs women in the population due to one child policy, and you’ve got a powder keg of a population ripe to over throw their government... unless they can’t, because they are locked up and isolated in a covid facility...
- Sars-1 and Avian Flu had multiple outbreak sites as it was circulating in the animal population before it could make the jump to humans. Covid-19 has only 1.Chimp
- in hollywood movies labs studying infectious diseases are underground in a desert to make it believable, in reality they're on every hospital site andkingsteven
- university campus, every route in and out of cities. the impact of the confirmation of an accidental so 'funding-cut' is an understatementkingsteven
- *accidental release would be devastating to the international scientific community, sokingsteven
- Yep, there are strong motivations to make this look like it 100% originated from nature and not from the lab.Chimp
- The CCP narrative isn't that it came from the market. They actually say it came from outside China, so their goal is to avoid taking responsibility at all cost.yuekit
- You can theorize about the likelihood of lab accidents, in reality with all the virological research kingsteven mentioned there's been no proven case of labyuekit
- Because that theory has been debunked and they need to distract from the fact it most probably came from the lab.Chimp
- leak of an unknown virus causing an outbreak. There have been some lab accidents including in Asia but not a single one started a large outbreak.yuekit
- So that should be taken into account...meanwhile we do have a track record of outbreaks caused in connection with the animal trade.yuekit
- And the earliest cases of SARS-2 were workers at a market that sold the same species involved in SARS-1 outbreak. There are no cases involving the lab oryuekit
- tbh that's why i've mostly shut up about it. i think a consensus of "it may have been accidentally released" is probably the best result we can hope forkingsteven
- anywhere near it. So are people just going to ignore that minor detail of how the outbreak started? :) It seems extremely implausible that a virus leaks fromyuekit
- a lab but causes no infections involving the lab and ends up at an animal market selling animals that carry SARS viruses a 30 minute drive away.yuekit
- So why isn't there evidence of earlier infections? Well after the outbreak China didn't release any testing of the animals sold at the market or of workersyuekit
- involved in the animal trade. All they released was testing of frozen meat and stray cats at the market. Officially they deny any live animals were sold thereyuekit
- anytime in 2019. And the entire wildlife farming industry was shut down -- around 100k farms across China -- without any known testing.yuekit
- As far as "weird activities at the lab" so many of these speculations and rumors about the lab have been proven false.yuekit
- See this thread...even the story about them taking down the database ends up being wrong.
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - I'm not saying it's impossible it came from the lab but you just have to take note of the repeated fraudulent attempts to prove it.yuekit
- Ihttps://en.wikipedi...kingsteven
- https://en.wikipedia…kingsteven
- i mean, i work in a building with several BSL-2 and at least 1 BSL-3 lab and I am constantly getting emails about breaches and people not following protocolkingsteven
- i wouldn't take the idea that it's never happened on the scale of COVID as any sort of proof it didn't happenkingsteven
- ^ Right but notice how the lab accidents involving SARS viruses never caused any large outbreak a single time.yuekit
- There may be something about the dynamics of scientists getting infected that makes this less likely. They take more precautions than people in the animal tradeyuekit
- https://www.science.…yuekit
- Also consider the fact that sampling even a small number of animals from China's wildlife industry turns up dozens of previously unknown viruses.yuekit
- They didn't find SARS-2 but about half the raccoon dogs (a species sold at Huanan Market) were infected with unknown coronaviruses.yuekit
- ^thisneverscared
- i agree, but millions of people eat at wet markets every day there are a lot of unknowns in our knowledge of how coronaviruses evolve and cross between specieskingsteven
- i'd say the 'lab leak' if a viable theory more likely accidental exposure outside the lab (ie. disposal of samples) i don't think we'll ever know at this pointkingsteven
- i've read papers about viral samples evolving while frozen etc. there's probably more ridiculous theories than either lab leak or wet market yet to come :)kingsteven
- You're right there's a lot of unknowns. One theory I read is that these viruses may spread directly from bats to humans and then evolve within the animal trade.yuekit
- No other known coronavirus contains a furin clevage site, which is something charateristic of Influenza, HIV, Ebola, Marburg and aides infectivity in humans.monNom
- So. that's a bit weird.monNom
- Actually that's not true
https://www.frontier…yuekit - No coronavirus of this specific type has been identified with furin cleavage site, but the most similar known viruses in the wild are very close to having them.yuekit
- And hundreds of other coronaviruses have furin cleavage sites as explained in the link above. Basically there's just a lot of misleading info that gets repeatedyuekit
- and it's easy to fool people because it's such a complex subject.yuekit
- Occam's razor says it's lab leakgrafician
- Wait boringsalads on this shit too?pango
- yuekit-6
@shapesalad The answer is that there's never been any testing of animals sold at the market or from the supply chain ever released. China managed to fool the media on this. What they released was testing of frozen meat products that were left behind in freezers and stray cats and dogs wandering through the vacant market.
You can't completely rule it out but none of the actual published research supports the lab origin. The key paper is this analysis of the early cases showing they cluster around the market, while the lab is on the other side of the city. And within the market, positive samples are correlated with the section of the market where they sold animals.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1…
Scientists have also done modeling of the early evolution of the virus and found that there were two different versions of SARS-CoV-2 in the beginning that couldn't have evolved from each other, meaning it probably spilled over from animals to humans multiple times.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1…
As far as the idea that we can't trust the experts, scientists are all covering up the truth, this is just the same as every other conspiracy theory. Climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers and people who think ivermectin cures COVID all say the same thing.
But you have to ask how likely it is that there's a conspiracy successfully maintained for three years between the CCP, the US government and scientists and journalists around the world.
- For those downvoting, feel free to point out a single thing I said here that was wrong...yuekit
- I think people want to believe it came from the lab because it plays into certain narratives (about China or about not trusting the government).yuekit
- But the evidence just doesn't support it right now. If that changes I'll adjust my opinion accordingly :)yuekit
- the clock stopped ticking dont u get it... but its right two times a day .... lol.. thats about the puniest metapher i have ever read...neverscared
- kaiyohtee-2
Glad somepeople believe in reality here, cuz a qhole fuck ton of you are sutpid af. So glad we can push the false GOP narrative here. Good luck in life fuckwads!
- u better trust in that watch that is kaputt...neverscared
- drgs-1
- yuekit-2
It's amazing to me how attached people still are to these alternative narratives about COVID.
In reality there's still no good evidence ivermectin cures COVID, hydroxychloroquine cures COVID, that vaccines don't work or that SARS-CoV-2 came from a lab. Much less for the more insane ideas like the entire pandemic was planned by Fauci, Bill Gates etc (which use as evidence the other theories I mentioned).
What's funny is that groups that oppose the Chinese government think there was a lab leak in China. Republicans think Fauci and Democrats are covering up the lab leak. Chinese nationalists think there was a lab leak in the USA. Putin says there was a lab leak in Ukraine.
These ideas feed into narratives people believe in...fear of the Chinese or American government, the feeling your own government lied to you about the pandemic. I'm not saying these narratives are wrong in all cases but you obviously can't reason backwards from a political narrative to answering a question like the origin of a disease.
- It's the lack of ability to move on. To hold on to what you think reality is. The world moved from stable decades to chaos mode really fast.uan
- Actually those stable decades were almost an anomaly. Perpetual chaos was/is the norm.grafician
- I think it's understandable people want an explanation for why the pandemic happened. That it just randomly emerged due to human development isn't a veryyuekit
- satisfying explanation. But you have to think about the fact that the world population doubled just within the past forty years from 4 billion to 8 billion.yuekit
- And in SE Asia where these viruses exist there's massive deforestation and animal trade going into China.yuekit
- Again, "came from a lab" and "lab leak" are two different things, you know? :)grafician
- and deforestation and animal trade in SE Asia is nothing compared to what dangerous viruses will emerge from the defrosting tundra in russia or canadagrafician
- The problem was that China weren't transparent about the problem and they couldn't solve it on their own, so it blew up on the rest of the world.grafician
- But the final conclusion is simply we don't know, might never find out 100% what happened and these narratives will continue for decades...grafician
- china lied, people died.zardoz
- China doesn't want to take the blame so they've basically shut down any real studies into the origin. But it's also difficult to find the origin of a diseaseyuekit
- even with a transparent government. Scientists still don't understand where the Omicron variant came from, where Ebola came from etcyuekit
- i enjoy debating the unknowns for entertainment, but then you realise folks are just regurgitating conspiracies and it absolutely ruins it...kingsteven
- you can't play 'what if?' with folks who aren't aware of how their own magical thinking, don't check their biases, can't interpret scientific data.kingsteven
- conspiracists ruin conspiracies for the rest of uskingsteven
- Let's be honest...a vast majority of people on this planet are stupid as fuck!utopian
- I'll have what ever Yuekit is on, sounds wild!shapesalad
- @utopian, did your two friends recover from the strokes they had soon after taking their boosters?Chimp
- Lab leak, ftwGnash
- Even if people think it was a lab leak, you have to admit there's a lot of BS out there. For instance, I remember people posting this podcast a while backyuekit
- https://www.youtube.…yuekit
- Turns out almost everything they say here is wrong...the basic idea being proposed, that SARS-2 was modified from another virus, is scientifically impossible.yuekit
- And yet people believed this and treated it as proof when it came out. And the same seems to be true of this latest report.yuekit
- https://www.semafor.…yuekit
- Still, lab leakGnash
- nb-2
There’s a new batch of parents who are now shouting about how their kids’ pediatricians aren’t taking Covid seriously enough.
Kinda sad to see a cohort of Covid-conscious people attacking actual doctors on twitter and falling in with the ol’ “do your own research” crowd, but from the opposite side of the argument
- nobody is, deaths are on the rise, kids are getting more and more sick but we let the idiots win. congrats._niko
- Nobody is? Ok...nb
- We aren’t taking it seriously anymore either. Oh wellmonospaced
- Krassy-1
Pfizer-BioNTech To Test Combined Covid And Flu Vaccine
- monospaced7
WHO reports 90% drop in global COVID-19 deaths since February
- I dunno, who?Nairn
- I’m not asking you, I’m telling you!
;)monospaced - *takes one step forward
I dodrgs - Let's put the fist bumps behind us.utopian
- so we won?!BabySnakes
- Are the WHO even doctors?MrT
- The WHO are a rock bandKrassy
