Coronavirus
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- yuekit-2
It's amazing to me how attached people still are to these alternative narratives about COVID.
In reality there's still no good evidence ivermectin cures COVID, hydroxychloroquine cures COVID, that vaccines don't work or that SARS-CoV-2 came from a lab. Much less for the more insane ideas like the entire pandemic was planned by Fauci, Bill Gates etc (which use as evidence the other theories I mentioned).
What's funny is that groups that oppose the Chinese government think there was a lab leak in China. Republicans think Fauci and Democrats are covering up the lab leak. Chinese nationalists think there was a lab leak in the USA. Putin says there was a lab leak in Ukraine.
These ideas feed into narratives people believe in...fear of the Chinese or American government, the feeling your own government lied to you about the pandemic. I'm not saying these narratives are wrong in all cases but you obviously can't reason backwards from a political narrative to answering a question like the origin of a disease.
- It's the lack of ability to move on. To hold on to what you think reality is. The world moved from stable decades to chaos mode really fast.uan
- Actually those stable decades were almost an anomaly. Perpetual chaos was/is the norm.grafician
- I think it's understandable people want an explanation for why the pandemic happened. That it just randomly emerged due to human development isn't a veryyuekit
- satisfying explanation. But you have to think about the fact that the world population doubled just within the past forty years from 4 billion to 8 billion.yuekit
- And in SE Asia where these viruses exist there's massive deforestation and animal trade going into China.yuekit
- Again, "came from a lab" and "lab leak" are two different things, you know? :)grafician
- and deforestation and animal trade in SE Asia is nothing compared to what dangerous viruses will emerge from the defrosting tundra in russia or canadagrafician
- The problem was that China weren't transparent about the problem and they couldn't solve it on their own, so it blew up on the rest of the world.grafician
- But the final conclusion is simply we don't know, might never find out 100% what happened and these narratives will continue for decades...grafician
- china lied, people died.zardoz
- China doesn't want to take the blame so they've basically shut down any real studies into the origin. But it's also difficult to find the origin of a diseaseyuekit
- even with a transparent government. Scientists still don't understand where the Omicron variant came from, where Ebola came from etcyuekit
- i enjoy debating the unknowns for entertainment, but then you realise folks are just regurgitating conspiracies and it absolutely ruins it...kingsteven
- you can't play 'what if?' with folks who aren't aware of how their own magical thinking, don't check their biases, can't interpret scientific data.kingsteven
- conspiracists ruin conspiracies for the rest of uskingsteven
- Let's be honest...a vast majority of people on this planet are stupid as fuck!utopian
- I'll have what ever Yuekit is on, sounds wild!shapesalad
- @utopian, did your two friends recover from the strokes they had soon after taking their boosters?Chimp
- Lab leak, ftwGnash
- Even if people think it was a lab leak, you have to admit there's a lot of BS out there. For instance, I remember people posting this podcast a while backyuekit
- https://www.youtube.…yuekit
- Turns out almost everything they say here is wrong...the basic idea being proposed, that SARS-2 was modified from another virus, is scientifically impossible.yuekit
- And yet people believed this and treated it as proof when it came out. And the same seems to be true of this latest report.yuekit
- https://www.semafor.…yuekit
- Still, lab leakGnash