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- Krassy3
Switzerland to Hold Referendum on Covid-19 Lockdown
- Krassy2
After allergic reactions at 1 clinic, California pauses use of large batch of Moderna COVID-19 vaccine
- Continuity2
- https://www.youtube.…oey_oey
- Another day, another variant...yuekit
- when one human cell becomes infected with 1 virus, the virus makes around 600k copies. Every patient is making new strains.shapesalad
- shapesalad-2
USA Gov fact sheet on evidence of Lab origin of Coronavirus.
https://www.state.gov/fact-sheet…
I think it simply comes down to providing evidence that it really came from animal to human. Where's the evidence?
Why weren't bats and pangolins culled?
Norway culled millions of mink after they caught coronavirus. Why, to stop it mutating into an even deadlier more viral version, and to stop non infected humans catching it from mink. Also why did the mink catch the virus so easily? Mink are often used in virus lab experiments.
Meanwhile over in China, are we to believer they think it's ok a worldwide pandemic causing virus that they claim has origins in bats / pangolins means it's totally ok to let said bats and pangolins of Wuhan wander around in their merry ways. While festering a deadly global pandemic virus that could mutate into a far more viral or deadlier version. While allowing future opportunities for it to crossover into humans. Why go to all the effort of stopping a pandemic at such economic detriment when you leave the source free to wander around?
- *believe. typo.shapesalad
- Might as well cull Brits, South Africans, and Bavarians, too, by that logic. Gotta stop this thing from mutating!
Oops, too late.Continuity - lol, did you make this up? Do you imagine pangolins and bats just wander freely around China contacting people? Wow.monospaced
- Are you really implying that bats and pangolins are just strolling through streets, all with deadly viruses, and people are what ... hugging them?monospaced
- So seems like the basic takeaway here is...we don't know. I don't think either possibility can be ruled out. However I wouldn't necessarily take any ofyuekit
- the things you mentioned as proof of anything. What would culling bats look like, some guy going into every cave in China with a flamethrower?yuekit
- TIL bats wander around merrily********
- Sweet, sweet free pangolin hugs.Continuity
- If you look into the history of other diseases (such as the original SARS I posted about below) you'll see that while scientists believe they came from animals,yuekit
- the exact way this happened is still unknown in most cases. Ebola has been around since the 70s and they still don't know how it spread from bats to humans.yuekit
- mono, not implying bats and pangolins are wandering around, but if a deadly world pandemic virus came from one, surely first thing you do is eliminate theshapesalad
- potential for future animal>human source infections.shapesalad
- you LITERALLY said it thoughmonospaced
- It's transferred from bats to humans via bats genitals coming into contact with human saliva...microkorg
- ...there's a reason bats like to come out at night cos it's when humans sleep. They fly into homes, find their human target then...microkorg
- ...dip their balls into the open human mouth as he/she snores away completely oblivious. - Source 'Batty Times'.microkorg
- The thought of someone getting teabagged by a bat made me giggle.Continuity
- Norway?Nairn
- yuekit4
Wow this is fascinating...video filmed by independent Chinese journalists in Wuhan exactly one year ago just as the outbreak began.
- And people think it didn't come from a Lab....shapesalad
- Yes well if it came from a lab I would expect the Chinese government to censor and block any attempt at an investigation...and if it didn't come from lab,yuekit
- exactly the same lol.yuekit
- yuekit2
@shapesalad Some interesting stuff I was reading recently about the origins of the original SARS outbreak...
When SARS epidemic happened in 2002 it was first detected in a city called Foshan which is close to Hong Kong. Years later scientists were able to trace the likely origin to a cave of bats in Yunnan province 150 km to the west. It's almost exactly as far from Foshan as it is from Wuhan.
The cave is in a rural region populated by ethnic minorities such as the Yi and Dai people who were living there long before the Peoples' Republic of China ever existed. There is some pretty amazing scenery such as this:
It's also just north of the "Golden Triangle" where the borders of Thailand, Myanmar and Laos meet which is the source of much of the world's drug smuggling.
The local people are working on farms, eating wild animals and probably seeing a lot of bats flying over their village at night. The interesting thing is that virologists apparently tested the locals and discovered that some of them had antibodies to certain other strains of bat coronavirus, in spite of none of them having any memory of being sick.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc…
I don't think the lab leak theory can be ruled out. Because after this discovery, virologists sampled viruses from bats in this region and brought them back to study in Wuhan.
However it would be equally dangerous to ignore the reality that viruses can just naturally spill over undetected from animals to humans in an area like this, and then cause an outbreak in a city hundreds of kilometers away. After all this is exactly what happened with the original SARS in 2002.
- Makes sense, that general area has the worlds lowest cases of covid so maybe they have built up an immunity over the years by being exposed to similar strains_niko
- Exactly...we just watched a second outbreak happen in Thailand and now it is fizzling out again just like the first one. Laos, Cambodia and Vietnam alsoyuekit
- have almost no cases, in spite of almost non-existent healthcare in the first two countries. Of course that doesn't necessarily prove anything but it'syuekit
- an interesting correlation at the very least.yuekit
- pr2-12
Lets talk about context.
"30% of hospitalized covid patients will develop serious long-lasting complications."Sounds terrifying, does't it?
(BTW, it's true statement based on a recent study from UK)But we subconsciously don't consider implications of one key words, "hospitalized." If we were to dig deeper, we would experience a profoundly different emotional response.
The study looks at 48,000 hospitalized cases out of 3,000,000 confirmed cases in UK, but some models project that as many as 13mil were infected there. The 48k out of 13 mil makes only .28%. Considering that 30% of that would develop serious consequences, that makes only 0.1 of all cases. (for generic comparison, flu kills that many people).
So yes, "30% of hospitalized covid patients will develop serious long-lasting complications" statement is true but so is "0.1% of covid cases will develop serious long-lasting complications."
Both statements producing a vastly different emotional reaction.- many people that said "it's not that serious" died alone on a hospital bed.
never tempt faith.grafician - How did you manage to read "it's not serious" from what i posted?pr2
- at this moment there are 37k hospitalized cases. That number is updated regularly. The total cumulative hospitalizations is MUCH higher.monospaced
- The cumulative hospitalizations is 350,000. Of the projected 13M cases, the percentage hospitalized is now 2.7%. 1/3 of that is 1.2% with complications or deathmonospaced
- Now, that is using your model with the extreme high of estimated infections. If you use the confirmed 4M, the numbers are way worse.monospaced
- of 3,000,000 confirmed cases, 11.6% have been hospitalized. 3-4% serious complications. MORE than 1% full on dead. Your math is wrong bro.monospaced
- I mean, your gross mishandling of the numbers has your calculations off by almost a full factor of 10.monospaced
- mono, did u bother reading the paper??? It specifies the hospitalization (48k) it uses for purposes of its study.pr2
- yes, and YOU are comparing it to numbers from a different study and a model that predicts a total of 13M infections!monospaced
- mono, 1% of dead if of CONFIRMED cases. If u included TOTAL number f cases based on estimates, it drops to 0.3%.pr2
- IF you're gonna do calculuations, use real numbers, not a subset of cases from a study in August.monospaced
- dude, that paper JUST came out.pr2
- In the UK there have been 90k covid deaths. That is 0.69% of 13M infections and 3% of 3M confirmed.monospaced
- That VERSION was updated today. The study (1st paragraph) says its from August 31 to September 30. Derp.monospaced
- I don't think you read it.monospaced
- wait, what r u arguing? that it take some time to go over data so by definition you can't have a paper based on study that finished yesterday?pr2
- I'm saying that your calculations aren't correct. You're not using the right inputs for your math. It's not complicated.monospaced
- 90k of covid death because of covid or WITH covid, Cause there is a HUGE difference. That's why u might want to read what i posted on previous page.pr2
- There are 90K confirmed covid deaths in the UK. 350K hospitalizations. There are 3.4M confirmed cases. Those are your numbers to do math with.monospaced
- You are assuming the 90K isn't all covid deaths, as reported. Also, your math is wrong AF.monospaced
- mono, if only the scientists listened to you then they wouldn't have to bother writing a 23 numbers-filled paper.pr2
- 23 pagespr2
- Why the FUCK are you using 48K patients to calculate total percentages? That's just the people they discharged that month. :/monospaced
- yo, there are emails of all the people who wrote the paper on the very first page. why don't u email them and ask?pr2
- They didn't do this stupid AF math, did they? They don't divide their cases by 13M, because that would be wrong. As I pointed out.monospaced
- u r not even arguing MY main point. even if we go with YOUR math (350k out of 13 mil cases - 3.4 confirmed), then we are still only at 1% of the cases....pr2
- ...VASTLY different psychological ramification than hearing 30%.pr2
- 3% (not 1%) v 30%pr2
- you guys stop it please! damn! The idea is that we shouldn't downplay this fucking pandemic, so chillgrafician
- so there isn't a scenario were we say after all this "oh, the numbers are actually not that bad, it wasn't that bad" as 2 mil. people already died!grafician
- also we're not done by a mile, as around 40% of ppl in any country don't want to get any vaccine!grafician
- my point is, lets threat this shit seriously but also not overblown it into some indescribable monster.pr2
- @pr2 at best, try to brush up your history and read about all the other pandemics https://www.history.…grafician
- also the numbers speak for themselves and they keep fucking rising A LOT https://www.worldome…grafician
- grafician, come on man, would u ever say say "read up the history of the only thing we talked about the past year" to anyone you had an ounce of respect?pr2
- likewise, noone is denying that the numbers are raising, but what that means for the overall health of the society IS at the core of the debate.pr2
- lol, go get a damn calculator, you're not even doing the math right with your bullshit numbersmonospaced
- 350k of 13M isn't 1%. It's 2.7%. But nobody has confirmed more than 3.5M. You're assuming 13M. And you're just guessing not all 90K reported are truemonospaced
- So it's a fact that 30% of hospitalizations have serious issues. 10% full on die. All you're saying is that if you fudge numbers, it "feels better."monospaced
- If that isn't your emotional reaction, I don't know what is. :)monospaced
- @pr2 exactly knowing how the other large pandemics played out is the best thing to learn from, and yes I respect your opinions 100%grafician
- and yes the numbers can be used to tell a certain "story" but I guess the lessons to be learned are not here yetgrafician
- one lesson I've learned for sure is that our modern societies depend in large part on the dumbest link in the chain and this pandemic is just the start...grafician
- ...to a much large phenomenon: the extinction of the human race; if we barely get over a pandemic like this (this was not ebola!), don't even wanna think...grafician
- ...about fighting in any meaningful way global warming (the great filter - for now)grafician
- if half your population don't even believes in simple basic facts, it's all downhill from here, sorry boysgrafician
- oh yes, the weakest link in the chain here being some village man in China eating pangolins or bats influencing the entire world in the processgrafician
- mono, you are one dim fuck, here is where my 12.4m is coming from:
https://www.edgeheal…pr2 - which confirms numerous papers that reach similar estimates globally (3-6x of the official figures).pr2
- I'm not dim. I'm not even questioning that estimate. I'm simply pointing out that your math is absolute shit, which leads to an absolute shit conclusion.monospaced
- If you are hospitalized because of covid you already have shitty health, call it preconditiondrgs
- many people that said "it's not that serious" died alone on a hospital bed.
- face_melter-1
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- No prince involved so it's a trap, don't reply!
Reply only if African prince involved.grafician
- dbloc-1
Amazon offers to help U.S. with vaccine in letter to President Biden
https://www.reuters.com/article/…
- Bennn4
https://www.instagram.com/tv/CJ8…
there's no facepalm big enough for this
- This is america, we have the right to force you to sell us your warez.GuyFawkes
- Ugh cringey AF.********
- lol "you cannot deny the right to commerce" entitled pricksgrafician
- "we just want to be HONORED as shoppers" fucking epic entitlement!********
- ...then two minutes later she's threatening to block anyone else from entering the store unless she is allowed to put them all at risk without their consent.********
- Wear a mask you fucking weaklings. Whiskey Tango to the max.garbage
- grafician14
- Arnold is such a man-crushgrafician
- love itdbloc
- Says Arnie on Facebook : ]MrT
- What platform would you respect this very well written and poignant opinion, MrTrumptard?imbecile
- +GuyFawkes
- It was a joke, wind your neck in. It's the truth, but not more so because it's Arnie.MrT
- schrodinger's douchebag, checkimbecile
- Username. Check. Fuck off twat.MrT
- how can you be more scared of the cure than the virus.ArchitectofFate
- lol these two cuntssted
- utopian1
Biden inheriting nonexistent coronavirus vaccine distribution
https://www.cnn.com/2021/01/21/p…Thanks Trump!
- Continuity1
Oh, goody.
- This will continue, but there comes a point where a virus being super deadly is detrimental to the virus spreading. There's a balance the virus needs to strike.shapesalad
- ^ yeah not shit sherlock... after 10's of millions deadfadein11
- Krassy3
Dave Chappelle Tests Positive for Covid After String of Live Club Shows
https://www.mediaite.com/news/co…
- utopian0
Thousands of vaccine appointments canceled
Hospitals Are Running Out of Vaccines. During one of the deadliest phases of the pandemic in the U.S., health officials are growing desperate, unable to get answers as to why the vaccines are in short supply. Where the situation is especially dire.
- In Canada too********
- A virus isn't deadly if it's a 98.9% survival rate. Stop the fear mongering you f****** communist. Your actively working to enslave people.Hayoth
- A virus isn't deadly if it's a 98.9% survival rate. Stop the fear mongering you f****** communist. Your actively working to enslave people.Hayoth
- A virus isn't deadly if it's a 98.9% survival rate. Stop the fear mongering you f****** communist. Your actively working to enslave people.Hayoth
- post it another time, we didn't get your opinion yet.uan
- Hey village idiot...tell the 420,000 families in the U.S. that lost their love ones to Covid that there is 98.9% survival rate. You commi fucking piece of shit.utopian
- same in austria, astra zeneca not coming thruneverscared
- a virus isn´t deadly if it´s 98,9% buahahaha, that doesn´t work bro, don´t u know math .. don´t u know how numbers work u dumbo. lol, what an flippin dumbass.neverscared
- @neverscared I think the EU is talking to AZ about it today, after the — again — cut delivery numbers.Continuity
- Can we get Hayoth a "website" like Creed Thoughts?garbage
- Www. Hayoththoughts. Gov. Www/hayoththoughtsgarbage
- In Canada too
- yuekit1
Thai Caves Attract Millions of Bats — and Now Scientists Too
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/…
Coronaviruses Closely Related to the Pandemic Virus Discovered in Japan and Cambodia
https://www.nature.com/articles/…
The Lab Leak Theory and the Twisted, Messy Hunt for COVID-19's Origin
- Some more stuff I read recently on potential origins of the virus...yuekit
