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- yuekit1
Brazil becomes world’s fourth biggest hotspot, surpassing Spain and Italy
- webazoot4
FC Seoul apologises for 'sex dolls' in stands
It is a challenge for sports leagues across the world - if play can only resume in empty stadiums, how can the atmosphere be improved?
The top-flight South Korean side has apologised after fans accused them of using sex dolls in the stands.
FC Seoul insisted they were "premium mannequins" rather than sex dolls - but did admit they came from a supplier that produces sex toys.
And some of the dolls were holding signs advertising x-rated websites - despite pornography being banned in South Korea.
- ********9
More Americans have died from covid-19 already than in both the Korean and Vietnam Wars combined. Let that sink in. That's nearly 25 years of war compared to a few months of this virus.
And we're at a no-end-in-sight situation. Right now, American deaths are equalling an average of about three 9/11s per week. Imagine 9/11 happening and then a few days later another 9/11. And then another. And another. And another. For months.
This would maybe be understandable if the virus hit here first, if we were caught off-guard. Trump will tell us that there was nothing we could have done. He'll blame China for lying about the virus. And his supporters are so willingly ignorant that they will agree and defend him. Yes, China deserves a lot of blame for the global pandemic. But Trump's inaction is directly responsible for tens of thousands of American deaths.
This virus was not a surprise from China that we couldn't see coming. Italy was SCREAMING a warning to the world to prepare for this. Not only the government of Italy but Italian citizens were lighting up social media non-stop in the days before the first cases here, begging us to prepare.
But Trump told everyone not to worry and then did absolutely nothing to prepare us as a country.
When was the last time a President allowed so many Americans to die for no reason at all? Trump will probably win the next election, too. In the wake of all this death I just can't think of anything more sad than re-electing the man who allowed this to happen to us.
- you are right. BUT Americans only act together if a human enemy threatens the country. See Pearl Harbour, see 9/11...grafician
- as these cases are the only times they can put aside their internal social struggles and band together to face a common enemy they can directly bomb.grafician
- with Pearl Harbour the US engaged Japan directly and entered WW2. With 9/11 they triggered the "war on terror" and so on...grafician
- basically they don't do shit unless you directly destroy their property.grafician
- I disagree with you, graf. Vietnam, the Gulf War, Afghanistan, Iraq War, etc did not require Americans to "act together." Most Americans did nothing at all.********
- In the case of Covid-19, it seems that most Americans are now taking precautions and acting together more so than they would be needed to in time of war.********
- even simpler: if you kill their dog, they will bomb your house. But if a natural disaster kills their dog, they don't do shit. See tornadoes, Katrina, fires etcgrafician
- It's a very small minority right now who is refusing to do what's best for their country.********
- nb those wars were not supported 100% by all americans, not unlike WW2 or even mostly the "war on terror".grafician
- nb acting together now would mean removing Trump and over 90% of the people respecting the "manual" on how to act during a pandemic. It's rather simple.grafician
- Crazy shit********
- great post nb!utopian
- HA! NB you think trump allowed these deaths? For realz? Are you that fucking stupid? Rhetorical based on first response********
- how about this NB tell me what you would have liked to have happened and how you would handle the response through every facet of society. down to recycling.********
- you are the problem. looking for god like men to rule with omnipotence or iron fists. learn to live where the leader you follow is yourself.********
- and context on numbers cdc reports half the numbers... who is correct and do we know. and war deaths are actually small vs everyday death. context.********
- in the last 5 months where are death rates for typical yearly averages? you'd need to know these things for a real sense of context********
- jeez deathboyNutter
- Ok so deathboy’s arguments are: 1. I should have had a plan in place. 2. My thoughts on the president are to blame for all this.********
- Great post but Trump isn't getting re-elected.CyBrainX
- 3. These people would still be alive if I learned to be my own leader.********
- 4. Because people also die from other causes, we shouldn’t care about these deaths.********
- Leader should have taken it seriously and acted mature and professionally, spreading reason and caution and not skepticismmonospaced
- Gnash2
Chinese citizen journalist detained after live-streaming on coronavirus from Wuhan
- Gnash1
Revelations from World Military Games' Athletes Hint at Covid-19 Spread in China in October
https://news.yahoo.com/revelatio…
Athletes revealing they fell ill at the World Military Games in Wuhan in October is adding to fears that the coronavirus was spreading within China months before the country accepted it to the world.
- I also read that some members of the {german/french/dutch... team who fell ill were tested for C19 antibodies and came up negative.Nairn
- “ China's first confirmed case of coronavirus was at the start of December but Gorges claimed that Wuhan's streets were "Nearly empty" during the games.”Gnash
- ..mind you, that could point to a horrible conclusion - that C19 antibodies don't last all that long.Nairn
- @gnash - Strange - I read the exact-same soundbite elsewhere - Daily Mail, probably.Nairn
- Ya, it’s scary if the antibodies are so short livedGnash
- Back to square one: don't get infected...grafician
- R_Kercz1
The Intercept: US Gov Buys Riot Gear, Increases Security Funding, Citing Coronavirus Pandemic
- utopian1
I really fascinating article about the prolonged time exposed to the virus.
Staying safe isn't just about hygiene and distance. It's about time, too.
- Wouldn’t this be true of any virus?Gnash
- yes, also the max 12-15 minute rule is known.
That info is published just today in us media?uan - Because American's are lazy and ignorant in general. They need to have the basic general information hammered into them.utopian
- Do you know many times basic geography was taught to us American's in high school? We still don't no where Canada is located on a map.utopian
- https://www.youtube.…utopian
- PonyBoy2
13 USS Roosevelt Sailors Test Positive For COVID-19, AGAIN
Apparently these guys were sick... then cleared... then tested again and still clear... then tested once again and are now sick again.
Do we have shitty testing or can you get this more than once?
https://www.npr.org/sections/cor…
"In a statement released earlier on Saturday when five sailors were found to have retested positive, the Navy said the sailors had "met rigorous recovery criteria, exceeding CDC guidelines," including testing negative for the virus at least twice, but have now retested positive."
- https://www.qbn.com/…imbecile
- you haven't been reading the news. Yes you can get this again. The antibodies count is to low with people ->tank02
- that where cured. That is why everybody is locked down.tank02
- but a recent study also shows kids who already got the vaccins for measels ea. at a young age can deal with it pretty good.tank02
- it makes me wonder though if folks that are being 'cleared' are actually clear of the sickness... and not actually getting it again...PonyBoy
- As I've been 'reading the news' lately... the idea of gathering plasma from those who are cleared is now a questionable practice as it seems some...PonyBoy
- ... appear to be clear but aren't (not cuz they got it again). For example: https://www.wsj.com/…PonyBoy
- So again... I'm questioning whether you do actually get again verses kill the symptoms... and given that I have to question the testing method.PonyBoy
- That is why we need cure or vaccin. The herd immunity isn't working and people are dying. The old and the weak. And nodbody care. Business as usual.tank02
- A friend of mine died in his sleep. Poof gone. 2 kids, a wife.tank02
- sorry, tank :(PonyBoy
- the tests are shit, the virus traces are still in the system even after 30-60 days, there are studies about itgrafician
- so you don't fully recover after 2-3 weeks! how this isn't common knowledge by now is beyond megrafician
- and also yes, if you got the smallpox -measels vaccine etc. and have blood type 0 you're pretty safegrafician
- the only 'common knowledge' is that this disease continues to baffle even the most seasoned scientist... the info changes daily... but the smugness doesn't. :)PonyBoy
- and also yes, unless we get a proper vaccine this will not stop! many ppl didn't had rubeola and smallpox in kindergarden so no vaccines, their immunity is shitgrafician
- similar happened to a guy in taiwan, need 3 negative tests to be released, was in hospital for 51 days...shapesalad
- the US had 34200 deaths by influenza last year at a population of 300 mil. We had just 56 deaths at a population of 20 mil. 3828.57% increase!grafician
- the overall immunity of the average American seems pretty low, adding rampant obesity, anti-vaxxers, etc. you guys are sitting ducks for this virusgrafician
- quack quackPonyBoy
- Blood type 0 in the US is just 37.4% so about 100 mil Americans should be pretty safe, if we really do count the blood type 0 theory as 100% valid...grafician
- PonyBoy buddy stay safe, I still have smallpox scars on my body after 30 years, viruses are nothin to fuckwith!grafician
- you kidding me? I have heart disease and shitty lungs from smoking for years... I barely LOOK outside :) (I am fully vaccinated tho)PonyBoy
- PonyBoy good boy! With all the info we post 24/7 in this thread we should be pretty informed on all things corona, let's not risk it please!grafician
- Krassy1
- damn those are small hands...grafician
- his hands are not small his head is gigantic.shapesalad
- just begging for a psbPonyBoy
- Well... there are a lot of mosquitos in the swamp...
Hope he took it with Zinc else it's useless.shapesalad - Can you spell Zinc for him or his voters base?grafician
- Such a great picGnash
- It seems being human is difficult for himGnash
- I never seen someone make drinking out of a bottle look so hard.Sellies
- https://www.youtube.…Bluejam
- It makes the best toot sound. Everybody says so. We have the best tooting water bottles. Around.cannonball1978
- utopian3
- Georgia's coronavirus data made reopening look safe. The numbers were a lie.
https://www.latimes.…utopian - this is criminal.bulletfactory
- this was the same governor who didn't know that COVID could be spread by ppl without symptoms.sarahfailin
- Georgia's coronavirus data made reopening look safe. The numbers were a lie.
- grafician4
*Kind reminder*
With all the info we post 24/7 in this thread we should be pretty informed on all things corona, but let's not risk it please!
I truly care about you guys (even robo ofc), no matter the country we live in, the measures each country takes to flatten the curve, fuck that, this is still serious, we all should still take precautions.
I know many countries are taking steps to "reopen" and all that, but this is not the time, not yet.
Until there's an official vaccine and we all get it, please stay safe, look after yourselves and loved ones, family and friends. We will get thru this, but in due time.
This is not over yet, not by far despite what our Govs tells us. Let's all of us be responsible about this, please!
- ++moldero
- Wait what? Weren't you the guy saying just many many weeks ago that all of this lockdown is nonsense and that more lives & jobs affected by it than the virus?NBQ00
- @NB Wait what?!grafician
- Check my new post hereNBQ00
- He certainly did.monospaced
- NB clearly got this wrong, maybe others idk, I was just saying to still keep safe as with reopening of countries, many ppl will think the virus is over and...grafician
- ...and they should return to the old "normal" not caring about safety anymore! That is not the case yetgrafician
- Oh and NB I still stand by my old posts too, as some countries implemented less drastic measures and their numbers were not exponentially growing.grafician
- 2 months ago: "Meanwhile everybody in the west panics"... "All my friends are losing jobs and are now unemployed - for what?"NBQ00
- And "I would have not done a lock down but who listens to me" - "Our politicians/ leaders are idiots"NBQ00
- SteveJobs2
I'm probably going to get raked over the coals for asking this but what is the reasoning we are not reopening the world?
Admittedly, I've been living under the proverbial rock by staying away largely from the news and threads like these and just going on about my life - indoors. It's greatly helped my sanity, though probably not my knowledge of the state of things. But recently I've been getting the itch to go hiking and as it turns out my favorite park is still closed and I don't understand why. Surely a 15ft wide trail is safer than the grocery stores we frequent every day?
But to take things to the next level, what about stores, bars, and restaurants, etc? If you are in the 1-2% at risk stay at home? And btw, this is not an argument about stimulating the economy or my rights or any of that. Just a serious inquiry as to where we are with things.
Alright, fire up the coals... or ya know.. don't..
- It is a combination of two factors; first, a new virus that is harmless on most people who get it, but deadly very fast on a small percentage, that spreads so...sr_rosa
- ...quickly and efficiently that can easily overflow any health system if measures are not taken; second, that most countries react too shy and slow at first...sr_rosa
- ...and there is a great deal of overcompensation when reopening.sr_rosa
- Right but we've identified those who are at risk, right? Smokers, diabetics, obese, old, etc? To those folks, sucks to suck! Kidding, kidding! .. Kinda.. :)SteveJobs
- you should be fine, doesn't hurt to take extra precautions regardless. We're not out of the woods yet, the big one is potentially coming in the fall_niko
- it spread like wildfire from nothing, from one market or whatever. Imagine what it could do now that its got a global footprint._niko
- @SteveJobs RE: bars, restaurants, etc. one can have the virus (even if healthy and not at risk) and NOT be showing symptoms.Krassy
- ...and they can transmit it to many others, and very fast.Krassy
- So it's not just about YOU not getting it or YOU remaining healthy; but it's about not passing it on to others and ending up with millions deadKrassy
- Krassy, I understand that but if only those who are not at risk are out, is this really an issue? Also you do realize I don't think this is all about me, right?SteveJobs
- that's the thing, there's no such thing as "those who are not at risk"_niko
- _niko, the data seemed to support that we've established who might be, didn't it? (i may be wrong here).SteveJobs
- I thought it was overwhelmingly established (months ago?) that certain preconditions and age correlated directly to mortality? And combined that's 1-2% of pop?SteveJobs
- @SteveJobs so how exactly do you isolate the elderly and those with certain preconditions? to where they're absolutely in no contact with the rest??Krassy
- The same way they are isolated now. And if you work with the elderly then you are risk-adjacent and you continue to quarantine? idk... thinking out loud hereSteveJobs
- Look I may be wrong here. Probably am. Just looking for the argument that makes me face-palm myself for not realizing the obvious soonerSteveJobs
- About risky population, it is not all well known. Some people with preconditions do not even get sick. Those who do, have a wide variety of complications. Also...sr_rosa
- ...it kills so fast, that one person with no previous conditions can go from asymptomatic to sick to dead in an average of seven days.sr_rosa
- So kick grandma out of the house and also live separately from your spouse who has a precondition?Krassy
- No, live with and stay quarantined? again, risk-adjacent continue as is. Everyone else, slowly (operative word here) resume life & be considerate of the rest?SteveJobs
- Live with? And cross fingers you don't infect them? i don't follow. Dress them up in full hazmat suits perhaps?Krassy
- No, the same exact thing you're doing now. It's just a conversation and I'm not being intentionally thick. You don't have to be dramatic.SteveJobs
- I'm saying, what's the harm that those who at risk or those who live with them or care for them all continue quarantining. The rest begin to resume normal lifeSteveJobs
- BTW, in the US, the elderly account for 15% of the population, and the non-elderly with pre-existing conditions account for 19 to 50% of the population!Krassy
- So Isolating these two groups would require isolating 34-65% of the population. HOW would you do that?!? And WHY would you do that?!?Krassy
- nearly 100% of the population is already in isolation. the folks I'm referring to, would continue to remain in isolation as they areSteveJobs
- Sure, even if they accounted for 80%, the 20% can help maintain infrastructure - as many already are - through delivery systems and healthcare systems, etcSteveJobs
- The face-palm moment you need is to realize that asymptomatic people can get the virus AND transmit to anyone, including relatives in isolationKrassy
- Yes, I'm aware, which is why those people should remain in quarantine. Sorry, I don't know how to be any clearer about my position without sounding patronizing.SteveJobs
- Don’t worry, SJ. You’re not the one being thick.noRGB
- You can't isolate wife (who has precondition) & grandma, but let the husband go to stores, bars, restaurants.Krassy
- Husband will catch the 'rona and then pass it on to wife & grandma back home.Krassy
- Here's the problem Steve Jobs, how do you even go about identifying people with pre-existing conditions and telling them to isolate?yuekit
- For instance being overweight is a pre-existing condition, but it's not like there's a database of fat people the government can go look up somewhere.yuekit
- The US government barely knows who everyone is and where they live...look at how difficult it was simply to mail a single check to people.yuekit
- yuekit, it's a choice for those ppl. If someone is obese or potentially at-risk, be safe and stay home. Or consult a doctor via telehealth (great service btw!)SteveJobs
- ^ if an at-risk wife stays home, but the husband (who's healthy) goes out, the husband will infect the wifeKrassy
- @SteveJobs asymptomatic transmission is the catch 22Krassy
- the problem is people all of a sudden believe they have control of shit by controlling others. if you are scared and you can afford to stay inside do it********
- if you afraid and cant afford it well... life is not always friendly venture it as anyone else does. but it is absolutely wrong to shut others in boxes out of********
- selfish fears. and absolutely selfish no matter how you try to hide behind a greater good aspect. its stupid to think a half ass lockdown would work********
- while ignoring the larger implications and greater damage inflicted upon people because its hard to be scared of economic theory like a virus. no movies ever********
- depicted what happens short and long term, or focused on a few folks as something to be scared of like in a horror film. now its all power plays by every actor********
- capitalizing. media loves manic refreshes for newest info. politicians framing it so many ways. industry and corps and banks taking full advantage.********
- I am also afraid of how much some people are driven by irrational fear. I am not that keen to turn into full conspiranoic mode, tho.sr_rosa
- i_monk5
If we rush to reopen we undo all the curve-flattening we did these past 10 weeks. We weren't staying home because it would cure the virus or something, we were staying home to stop overwhelming hospitals. The capacity for those hospitals hasn't changed. This is why the second wave could be even worse, with people lulled into false security thinking the worst was over and we can go back to normal.
- We will eventually go back to normal, because it is what we consider normal. Question is: can we maintain a certain level of precaution until we have a cure?sr_rosa
- who said anything about rushing?SteveJobs
- everyone thinks they can bennnsplain nowimbecile
- There’s a sense of rushing in some places recently. People quick to be out and acting like it’s over.monospaced
- There are states reopening while spiking in new cases. That isn't rushing? Ontario's just levelling out and we're already reopening.i_monk
- ^@mono and sr_rosa: EXACTLY what I was trying to say in my latest post here! With reopenings ppl thinking we're in the clear and they can do "normal" again!grafician
- Well, in your post you said we should take no risk, and that is just impossible. There is always risk. And force of habit is hard to avoid.sr_rosa
- @sr_rosa Yup, didn't think it will be interpreted that way, need to choose my words better next time I'm writing remindersgrafician
- NBQ002
@ grafician, did you forget your own posts like a little over 2 months ago?
Seems you changed your tune.
- And now in your latest post you say it’s not the time to re-open just yet, wtf???NBQ00
- Amazing, all that happened anyway!
Both South Korea and Sweden did all that, it worked, so chill NB lolgrafician - Are you schizophrenic? Lol. Just in your last post here you say it’s “serious” and “not time to re-open just yet”.NBQ00
- Like 2 months ago you said it was fucking stupid to close down the country and now you say it’s not time to re-open. What?NBQ00
- But no, you misunderstood my latest post NB, I said be careful still while reopening. My "scenarios" from back then - we're doing it now anyway, do you get it?grafician
- Whatever :) you sound totally different in your latest posts than in the here I just posted.NBQ00
- Btw, with or without full lockdown, the situation here in Romania is the same! Same numbers! We didn't see any exponential growth in cases or deaths!grafician
- And yes, the economic downturn is massive, we're looking at 8-9% deficit this year...grafician
- And in your latest post here you say it’s “not the time to re-open”. Wtf dudeNBQ00
- Read again my latest post NB, this is not the time to chill and not take precautions anymore! NOT TO NOT REOPEN, who tf wants to stay locked in their house?!grafician
- You clearly misunderstood my post NB, and I should've been way more clear about it, damn!grafician
- WTF, this is what you wrote: “many countries are taking steps to "reopen" and all that, but this is not the time, not yet.”NBQ00
- Are you trolling? Or just not realizing what you wrote in your last post “Kind reminder” versus the posts I pasted here you wrote 2 months ago.NBQ00
- YES NB I was continuing my fucking idea from the above paragraph "we all should still take precautions." DAMN!grafician
- SO let me be clear AGAIN: still stay safe, still take precautions for yourself and loved ones, but YES REOPEN! You get it now?!grafician
- And then you wrote “not over not by far despite what our Govs tell us”. Yet 2 months ago you said they’re idiots for closing down :)NBQ00
- Precautions meaning still wash your hands, wear a mask, keep distance, don't go travelling, and all that!grafician
- Yeah man, that Govs part was for the ppl in US and UK, Trump saying to drink clorox or that the virus will magically go away, can't you read between the lines?!grafician
- Ok dude, you’re twisting things now. I’m done here lol :)NBQ00
- Btw why are you so mad about it?! My post was in the context of reopening our countries, but people thinking that by reopening the virus is done and...grafician
- ...and they don't need to stay safe anymore and go wilding! I hope all is clear now, if you still don't get my recent post, Idk how to explain it to you moregrafician
- All I’m saying is you completely changed your tune. Go compare the 2 month old posts to what you’re writing in your latest post. Don’t see it???NBQ00
- I'm not you NB to see it that way, but if you think I changed my tune, that's your opinion. I still stand over those old posts too...grafician
- Oh and I'm not the kind of person to retwist my words after I posted something, I'm no politician...grafician
- Just for the record, I am not NBQ00********
- Ha! Sorry nb, my bad mangrafician
- chukkaphob is nbq00
robo is yurimon
never forget!!sarahfailin - @nb My bad as in just typing "NB" instead of full "NBQ00" I never thought it was yougrafician
- Why are you guys picking on someone just because he happened to express a slightly different opinion at different points in time lol?yuekit
- "He changed his mind slightly...get him!"yuekit
- No it's not about that. Just funny that he thinks he didn't change his mind at all, not one bit comparing the new post and previous ones.NBQ00
- It's not about "get him". He seemed not aware at all about his posts from 2 months ago so I posted it for him to see.NBQ00
- All I was pointing out he now sounds so careful and "too soon for reopening" but 2 months ago he called EU & Romania Gov idiots for lockdowns.NBQ00
- And that lockdowns would destroy economy and jobs and be more disastrous than the virus. But now he says reopening is too soon.NBQ00
- What annoys me is how you don't want to admit that you were against lock down and all the measures and now you say "too soon for reopening"NBQ00
- I give up :) you can go read your older posts and notes yourself lolNBQ00
- This is a "what color is that dress" situation NBQ00 and you being so vocal about it clearly it's your issue, not mine. I explained pretty well my views...grafician
- ...you just keep choosing to ignore the explaining and keep your pov, but that's cool too, chillgrafician
