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I'm probably going to get raked over the coals for asking this but what is the reasoning we are not reopening the world?
Admittedly, I've been living under the proverbial rock by staying away largely from the news and threads like these and just going on about my life - indoors. It's greatly helped my sanity, though probably not my knowledge of the state of things. But recently I've been getting the itch to go hiking and as it turns out my favorite park is still closed and I don't understand why. Surely a 15ft wide trail is safer than the grocery stores we frequent every day?
But to take things to the next level, what about stores, bars, and restaurants, etc? If you are in the 1-2% at risk stay at home? And btw, this is not an argument about stimulating the economy or my rights or any of that. Just a serious inquiry as to where we are with things.
Alright, fire up the coals... or ya know.. don't..
- It is a combination of two factors; first, a new virus that is harmless on most people who get it, but deadly very fast on a small percentage, that spreads so...sr_rosa
- ...quickly and efficiently that can easily overflow any health system if measures are not taken; second, that most countries react too shy and slow at first...sr_rosa
- ...and there is a great deal of overcompensation when reopening.sr_rosa
- Right but we've identified those who are at risk, right? Smokers, diabetics, obese, old, etc? To those folks, sucks to suck! Kidding, kidding! .. Kinda.. :)SteveJobs
- you should be fine, doesn't hurt to take extra precautions regardless. We're not out of the woods yet, the big one is potentially coming in the fall_niko
- it spread like wildfire from nothing, from one market or whatever. Imagine what it could do now that its got a global footprint._niko
- @SteveJobs RE: bars, restaurants, etc. one can have the virus (even if healthy and not at risk) and NOT be showing symptoms.Krassy
- ...and they can transmit it to many others, and very fast.Krassy
- So it's not just about YOU not getting it or YOU remaining healthy; but it's about not passing it on to others and ending up with millions deadKrassy
- Krassy, I understand that but if only those who are not at risk are out, is this really an issue? Also you do realize I don't think this is all about me, right?SteveJobs
- that's the thing, there's no such thing as "those who are not at risk"_niko
- _niko, the data seemed to support that we've established who might be, didn't it? (i may be wrong here).SteveJobs
- I thought it was overwhelmingly established (months ago?) that certain preconditions and age correlated directly to mortality? And combined that's 1-2% of pop?SteveJobs
- @SteveJobs so how exactly do you isolate the elderly and those with certain preconditions? to where they're absolutely in no contact with the rest??Krassy
- The same way they are isolated now. And if you work with the elderly then you are risk-adjacent and you continue to quarantine? idk... thinking out loud hereSteveJobs
- Look I may be wrong here. Probably am. Just looking for the argument that makes me face-palm myself for not realizing the obvious soonerSteveJobs
- About risky population, it is not all well known. Some people with preconditions do not even get sick. Those who do, have a wide variety of complications. Also...sr_rosa
- ...it kills so fast, that one person with no previous conditions can go from asymptomatic to sick to dead in an average of seven days.sr_rosa
- So kick grandma out of the house and also live separately from your spouse who has a precondition?Krassy
- No, live with and stay quarantined? again, risk-adjacent continue as is. Everyone else, slowly (operative word here) resume life & be considerate of the rest?SteveJobs
- Live with? And cross fingers you don't infect them? i don't follow. Dress them up in full hazmat suits perhaps?Krassy
- No, the same exact thing you're doing now. It's just a conversation and I'm not being intentionally thick. You don't have to be dramatic.SteveJobs
- I'm saying, what's the harm that those who at risk or those who live with them or care for them all continue quarantining. The rest begin to resume normal lifeSteveJobs
- BTW, in the US, the elderly account for 15% of the population, and the non-elderly with pre-existing conditions account for 19 to 50% of the population!Krassy
- So Isolating these two groups would require isolating 34-65% of the population. HOW would you do that?!? And WHY would you do that?!?Krassy
- nearly 100% of the population is already in isolation. the folks I'm referring to, would continue to remain in isolation as they areSteveJobs
- Sure, even if they accounted for 80%, the 20% can help maintain infrastructure - as many already are - through delivery systems and healthcare systems, etcSteveJobs
- The face-palm moment you need is to realize that asymptomatic people can get the virus AND transmit to anyone, including relatives in isolationKrassy
- Yes, I'm aware, which is why those people should remain in quarantine. Sorry, I don't know how to be any clearer about my position without sounding patronizing.SteveJobs
- Don’t worry, SJ. You’re not the one being thick.noRGB
- You can't isolate wife (who has precondition) & grandma, but let the husband go to stores, bars, restaurants.Krassy
- Husband will catch the 'rona and then pass it on to wife & grandma back home.Krassy
- Here's the problem Steve Jobs, how do you even go about identifying people with pre-existing conditions and telling them to isolate?yuekit
- For instance being overweight is a pre-existing condition, but it's not like there's a database of fat people the government can go look up somewhere.yuekit
- The US government barely knows who everyone is and where they live...look at how difficult it was simply to mail a single check to people.yuekit
- yuekit, it's a choice for those ppl. If someone is obese or potentially at-risk, be safe and stay home. Or consult a doctor via telehealth (great service btw!)SteveJobs
- ^ if an at-risk wife stays home, but the husband (who's healthy) goes out, the husband will infect the wifeKrassy
- @SteveJobs asymptomatic transmission is the catch 22Krassy
- the problem is people all of a sudden believe they have control of shit by controlling others. if you are scared and you can afford to stay inside do it********
- if you afraid and cant afford it well... life is not always friendly venture it as anyone else does. but it is absolutely wrong to shut others in boxes out of********
- selfish fears. and absolutely selfish no matter how you try to hide behind a greater good aspect. its stupid to think a half ass lockdown would work********
- while ignoring the larger implications and greater damage inflicted upon people because its hard to be scared of economic theory like a virus. no movies ever********
- depicted what happens short and long term, or focused on a few folks as something to be scared of like in a horror film. now its all power plays by every actor********
- capitalizing. media loves manic refreshes for newest info. politicians framing it so many ways. industry and corps and banks taking full advantage.********
- I am also afraid of how much some people are driven by irrational fear. I am not that keen to turn into full conspiranoic mode, tho.sr_rosa