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- Krassy1
9 in 10 covid deaths were in people 65 or older...
- "Today, nearly 9 in 10 covid deaths are in people 65 or older — the highest rate ever, according to a Washington Post analysis of CDC data."grafician
- Test your kids every week though!monospaced
- The young need to pay for the elderly.Chimp
- Same as flu. Yet you stupid scum would rather people destroy their family businesses and give market share over to Amazon to 'flatten the curve'Hench
- Hench-7
The inventor of the PCR test himself, Marry Mullis (Nobel prize winner) is on video record multiple times saying that his test cannot be used to diagnosed infectious disease. He's on record saying that if you run it at enough cycles you can basically find anything in anyone.
The inventor of the test has told you, if you're smart enough to research and educate yourself, that it doesn't work for what they've been using it for. The test doesn't work. Yet your all in here saying that you've had covid. It's hilarious how utterly empty headed the general population is.
The UK gov were running it at so and so cycles, to deliberately give false positives, and as soon as they started vaccinated people that dropped the cycle rate by about 50%... To give the illusion that the vaccine was working.
The fact that most of you are still completely under the illusion of this false narrative, easily provable, it's proof that humanity is truly, truly fucked and our time is near.
Flu rates dropped 99% worldwide in 2020 because they rebranded flu as covid. Hospitals were getting commission for every covid death they marked on death certificates. If someone died of a car crash or a heart attack, but tested positive on the tests that don't work, they put the cause of death as covid. You can check all of this yourself if you have the inclination to educate yourself, it's all out there in public record.
The elite have been talking about the over population problem for decades and this is how they are sorting that problem out. Invent a pretend deadly virus which is in truth just another variant of the common cold, plaster it all over the news and from the government incessantly, falsify the death record to create the fear, and then market the highly profitable vaccine to the people that can't think for themselves. As much as I hate to say it, it's the perfect plan to eradicate the world of the idiots. The vaccine, which isn't a vaccine, is designed to destroy your immune system so that over the next few years you'll die of whatever is the weakest link in your chain and it won't be easily traceable to the vaccine.
Not only that but if you took the mRNA you're no longer legally considered a human being so if you survive you can't take them to court because you no longer have human rights. You cannot legally patent and own, say, a tomato... because it is created by nature, or God, whichever way you're inclined. But if you genetically modify said tomato you can then claim it as your own creation and you can legally patent and own the rights to it.
That's what they've just done to a large portion of humanity. They have genetically modified you with the mRNA technology so that you are no longer legally considered a human being and can be legally patented and owned and cannot claim human rights in the court of law.
This is what's just happened and not only are most of you bewilderingly ignorant to it, you're still on here ridiculing those of us that know what's just happened.
You're a disgrace. Fortunately for the rest of us you don't have more than a few years on this earth.
Use your time wisely.
- His name is Karry Mullis, not Marry :)
Thank you auto correct.Hench - I'd have more compassion for you all if you hadn't spent the last few years hating and slandering and ridiculing those of us smart enough to educate ourselves.Hench
- I lost my girlfriend and most of my friends simply by trying to warn them not to commit euthanasia, so my patience and compassion has been limited. Forgive me.Hench
- Alex Jones on QBN. Nice.tank02
- Hitler liked coffee so I guess you're Hitler?Hench
- Clown logic knows no bounds.Hench
- Tank would you like to correct me on anything that I've said that isn't true? You're more than welcome to, rather than ridiculing... I know that's your defaultHench
- defense...Hench
- Start with the PCR test. Then go on to correct me on whether a tomato is still legally considered a tomato once it's been genetically modified...Hench
- ... and we can go from there...Hench
- Sorry to hear this stuff has destroyed your life.PhanLo
- That's very kind but ultimately it didn't destroy my life at all, it eradicated the chuff.Hench
- Much like what the ruling class have just done...Hench
- This is the boomerest thing i’ve ever readscarabin
- With all your knowledge of this secret society murder rampage, who would you kill if you could? To make a differencePhanLo
- Even the briefest of searches reveals your whole patenting people and “not legally human” claims to be geriatric facebook cloud-yellingscarabin
- Ohh, this is a schtick. You’re doing a schtick and i fell for it. Lol. Carry on.scarabin
- This is beautiful.palimpsest
- First of all is cute that you people still take the first thing you find on Google as confirmation bias, while we're living in an information warHench
- ... and Google are the thought police. Secondly, I'm still waiting for one single proof that anything I've said is false.Hench
- so you infiltrated QBN after Mullis quote started to be misinterpreted? interesting.oey_oey
- Scarabin what guff have you read? It's an indisputable fact that if you genetically modify something you can legally own the rights to itHench
- No yeah mate you’ve got it all correct.
Wink wink
https://media.tenor.…scarabin - Still waiting for facts and evidence rather than ridicule...Hench
- Thanks for the heads up.thumb_screws
- Found the super-spreader.Nairn
- Facts and evidence please, Nairn. Ridicule is the response of clueless fools...Hench
- I didn't wear a mask once, social distance, still shook the hands of my homeless friends, who by the way never got sick, and I haven't been sick in yearsHench
- When was the last time you were sick? And please don't forget my request for facts and evidence rather than ridicule...Hench
- Go back and read your schpiel and count your ridicule.Nairn
- Still waiting for facts and evidence. Should be easy if I'm so wrong, no?Hench
- You're response is literally 'NO YOU!' and you genuinely believe you're on the right side?Hench
- The evidence is right there but you're the type that chooses to ignore it. Easily provable in the excess deaths metric, and the flu has never..garbage
- Excess deaths of which year? Suicide was up 500% during the lockdown. Millions of people denied treatment due to covid restrictions...Hench
- ..overwhelmed hospitals to the point where workers were quitting from overstress. You're getting insults because you're ignoring easily provable facts.garbage
- I had a friend who had a breast cancer scare. She wasn't allowed to go to hospital because of covid bullshit ...Hench
- How many millions of people worldwide were too scared to go to hospital for their ailments because they thought covid was writhe?Hench
- It's an old song for your type. lol at "I lost my girlfriend and most of my friends" and me thinking it was due to COVID.garbage
- You're augment has no weight...Hench
- Your :)Hench
- In a way, it was. Persistent and determined ignorance tends to be a turnoff.garbage
- Garbage you're doing the same as every other brainwashed cunt, trying to ridicule and insult me rather than providing evidence that I'm wrong...Hench
- What's the plan? Genocide everyone and repopulate the world with the vast unvaccinated Central African populace?Jrdntnnr
- Delirium tremenspablo28
- I liked it better when boomer conspiracies were about MiBs, UFO's and the JFK assassination.inteliboy
- Of course you did, because they didn't mean that you're potentially going to die soon because of your idiocyHench
- Literally just gave you the simplest metric to understand that COVID is not "rebranded flu" and you somehow read through it.garbage
- I'll give you this: You're immune to reality. I bet you're still wondering why your girlfriend and friends left you.garbage
- https://pbs.twimg.co…drgs
- the person call everyone else idiots, is usually the idiot.inteliboy
- ^^ THIShydro74
- So Marry Mullis died before COVID was even a thing. His comments are decades old, and the context was in regard to HIV... just saying.ETM
- Hench is such a special boy. A handsome boy. Who’s our little handsome, smart, special boy? Who worked up qbn with weak trolling? It’s hench, hench didscarabin
- *Troll biscuit @ hench*scarabin
- Let’s try and get through our bullshit holiday in the normal bullshit manner- by pretending to put up with each otherscarabin
- lol more of this please - a far better read than, what, nairn's daily Circus of Trauma and Dread or drgs' glass-brained version of The Turner Diaries.face_melter
- Hench, you retarded cunt fuck. I hope you're sterilecrazyprick
- oh here it it
*popcorns.gif*pango - ^^ Note of the year.Continuity
- Ok.
But why would the Gvt./Elite kill the "sheeple" (me) and let the incendiary "conspiracists"/"dis... alive? That makes no sense for them.Longcopylover - They would need the sheeple to keep them the elite.Longcopylover
- @Longcopylover stop that. You stop that this instant. You're making entirely too much sense.Continuity
- (I normally ignore posts like this, because it's just time consuming to argue online. But I wanted to show you some respect for all your research. Good luck. )Longcopylover
- Maybe we could discuss this between ourselves in the Conspiracy thread. I would like reasonable answers though...palimpsest
- ...because I have a lot of questions on my current status as a non-human.palimpsest
- HITULFcrazyprick
- That was a long read to get to here. ThanksIanbolton
- Kary (not Marry) Mullins died in 2019—before COVID—but explained how PCR tests are qualitative not quantitative, meaning they detect a virus but not how much.ptrdo
- Next.ptrdo
- Flu disappeared because it's not very infectious (R₀≈1.5), so protocols that slowed COVID (R₀≈9.5) didn't give flu a chance. Same with colds and RSV (R₀≈3).ptrdo
- He's on video saying that you can find HIV in anyone if you run enough cycles. Same concept for covid. How is this stuff so difficult for you simpletons?Hench
- if you live long enough the mortality rate is 100%. Why are you still alive?
funny logicpango - Honestly it's like talking to zombies. Hopefully you're all dead within a few years and the world will be a better placeHench
- Not one single piece of evidence provided by you zombies. Just... BUT CNN SAIDHench
- His name is Karry Mullis, not Marry :)
- imbecile1
Hench,
let's take a step back from your polarizing generalizations and ability to ignore information so blatantly to try a new approach...
many people enjoy reading multiple articles, some dig through papers, some look between the lines of conspiracy theorists and try to glean a personal truth that they themselves can feel comfortable believing.
for example; if everyone says something is blue, i don't need to see it for myself, I have seen blue and can believe people. i can believe it's blue.
Let's compare that with your approach, all filler, no fact. Paragraphs of opinion unsupported by any documentation.
What are you providing, other than looking down your nose, calling everyone wrong with your insults, and your opinion?
You want people to believe you and I'll even feign your behavior as altruistic, so you're just upset you can't help your fellow man.
Why don't you take the time to learn to communicate more respectfully? If you truly believe what is in your head is fact, you should have numerous sources to cite.
I've seen the spiro video that you believe Kary admits anything. he does not. He is upset that no one can show him how they know that HIV leads to AIDS. they couldn't, that upset him.
Another gentleman goes on to say he said, she said conjecture and you along with spiro and the 12 comments on that video took it all as fact.
My question is this: If you access whatever information you think is reliable, why don't you share it? Why are you unshared sources somehow better than our shared sources?
Attacking people and calling them stupid won't educate anyone. It only makes it look like you don't know what you're talking about. Just like when you misquote and ignore context.
- You've said a whole lot of nothing there, Skippy. You asked me to provide the video of Mullis saying you can find anything with PCR. I've done that ...Hench
- Now it's your turn to prove me wrong...Hench
- Your clown logic knows no bounds.imbecile
- Complains about personal insults, and then drops a nuke like "Skippy".garbage
- And to make it REAL SIMPLE SKIPPY. The doctor you're quoting died before the pandemic, and the quote is about a decade old.garbage
- https://www.reuters.…garbage
- There's a link Hench. I presume you're also immune to humble pie?garbage
- The doctor is the one who invented the PCR, telling you that you can find anything in anyone using PCR. You people can't understand the most basic of conceptsHench
- How about listen to the words of the inventor rather than quoting me a thought police link. Reuters is owned by the same groups that just euthanised you.Hench
- Hench-7
Here's the inventor of the PCR test telling you that you can find anything in anyone depending on how you run it.
This man died suspiciously at the end of 2019, just before the 'pandemic'. Convenient that, considering he was the man that could prove this whole hoax for what it is.
- it can be "MISUSED" is all he saysimbecile
- He said that you can find anything in anyone depending on how you use it. Which part of that are you not understanding?Hench
- Posted date is 2021, but he died in 2019. Video is like from 1997. May not be current or relevant, and I believe he was discussing HIV.ETM
- He's discussing the PCR test, which is what we're discussing. This place is full of empty headed half witted morons incapable of understanding basic conceptsHench
- oey_oey2
In my opinion the coronavirus, real or not, and the discussions around it proved to be unhealthy both physically and psychologically.
I don't have any sources but prove me wrong.
- Guess what number I'm thinking aboutCovid69
- https://www.youtube.…kaiyohtee
- imbecile2
"So your whole stance is that it can't be true because you can't believe it? Fuck me you people are fucking useless"
—Hench
I am absolutely in love with your hypocritical lack of self-awareness. The notion quoted above is literally your stance.
- Thats great and all but I'm really not interested in your feelings, do you by chance have any facts to add to this conversation?Hench
- perhaps it might help if you provided some proper facts, rather than simply a torrent of your opinion and one badly edited videohans_glib
- https://www.reuters.…garbage
- For posterity.garbage
- Hench-3
Suffice to me becoming a little self indulgent. I am truly sorry for what's happened. There are many people I know that bought into this that are truly good people. It's terrifyingly sad, ultimately.
I'm a man who has always had deep compassion for people, and I mean it from the bottom of my heart when I say that if any single one of you were being attacked on the street, I would die defending you. Genuinely. My life and my ego is no longer some important thing to me. Being truthful and honest and righteous is the only thing that matters.
I'm not here to say look at me I'm right and you're wrong. I'm here to tell you what's going on based on facts and evidence. So far I've literally had not a single worthwhile response other than ridicule.
Is there not some shred of inkling in your spirit that is ringing alarm bells over what's happened over the past few years? We have a government that sprays literal poison on our food, puts literal neuro toxins in our drinking water, that spends literal billions on bombing innocent people and somehow you think that they care so much about your health that they'll spend billions on testing perfectly healthy people and the same again on providing you with a vaccine to keep you healthy?
Do you genuinely believe that?
You can ridicule me and attack me all you want. I'm used to it by now. It has no bearing on my self worth or my knowledge. I have a lot of compassion for you but at the same time when you're readily happy to ridicule and insult someone who, when you break it down, is ultimately putting themselves on the line to divulge information that could possibly help people, then surely you must stop and think about what kind of a man, or woman you are.
- do you own a gun?uan
- Have you eaten a sausage roll lately?Hench
- When the small team of binmen went on strike in my city in the summer, it took about 3 days before there was rubbish everywhere.PhanLo
- Imagine randomly getting rid of a giant knowledgebase of skills via a mass culling of human beings?
I don't mean academic skills, which would also go, but...PhanLo - ...practical skills, that really rich people never have to know, like plumbing. You reckon the lizard folk fix their own sinks?
Clean their own bogs?PhanLo - I get what you're saying, of course there are horrible people who conspire every day to make peoples lives miserable for their own gain. The Sacklers for...PhanLo
- ...example.PhanLo
- So your whole stance is that it can't be true because you can't believe it? Fuck me you people are fucking uselessHench
- No offence but that is an idiotic stance. No doubt. Give me facts and evidence.... For fuck sake....Hench
- IT CAN'T BE TRUE BECAUSE I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT COULD BE TRUE, is not a valid argument....Hench
- Why would they do it? For what gain?PhanLo
- Because we've gone from 1 billion to nearly 8 billion in a HUNDRED years. It's unsustainable.Hench
- I think that's the plot for UtopiaPhanLo
- Yes let's try to misdirect because it's far less painful than acknowledging the truthHench
- My friend who also believes what you do says that the NWO put things like that out there as a cruel joke to say, 'we're going to do this, but you think it's...PhanLo
- ...fiction'. She also thinks 5G is a weapons system.PhanLo
- 5G was developed by the military as a weapons system. How are you people so desperately ignorant?Hench
- You need to shut up and listen to your friend. Your life evidently depends on it.Hench
- If you're saying is true, I'm already dead.PhanLo
- Sorry if that was a little defensive. Forgive me.Hench
- She also thinks the earth is walled in by a giant circle of ice, because it's flat. She's became quite religious and like yourself lost some friends and familyPhanLo
- It's easy to take a defensive stance here, but reading back your comments it seems like you may genuinely be discussing ideas so I'm sorry for attackingHench
- We're all already dead by that logic :)Hench
- I could die long before you, crossing the street tomorrow morning maybe. Death is coming for all of us, it's how we live the life we're given that's what countsHench
- Truly you should give your friend the time of day. She's smart.Hench
- And I'm sure she appreciates you for not being one of the small minded fools for disowning her simply for having different opinions. You sound smart too.Hench
- Hench-1
The difference between most of you and I, is that I truly wish I was wrong, where as you all desperately wish that you're right.
- What good has come to you, knowing that there's a secret society that will kill everyone? Or is it just knowing that's the reward?PhanLo
- That's totally and utterly irrelevant. If you must know, no good has come from it at all other than the knowledge of who is a free thinker and who is brainwasheHench
- at the end of the day the detergent brand doesn't matter.uan
- I'm big on DazHench
- imbecile0
there's no video at all, but only a misquote that was said by someone else?
christ on a cruch, boy... grow up
"the quote is actually from an article written by John Lauritsen in December 1996 about HIV and AIDS, not COVID-19"
- *crutchimbecile
- You've just provided a Reuters link which is literally part of the right police. I'll send you the video of Mullis himself saying it when I get homeHench
- Thought police* the people that own Reuters are the ones that want fools like you dead. They call you useless eaters.Hench
- share the video or shut upimbecile
- I already told you, you blind fool, I'll share it when I'm home. In the meanwhile you can start sharing some facts or shut the fuck up yourself :)Hench
- If I'm such an idiot you should be able to easily prove me wrong, no?Hench
- So far all you've got is 'fucking lol you spelt his name slightly wrong'Hench
- “The verdict of this fact check has been changed from false to misleading, to reflect that the quote examined may have been a fair reflection of Mullis’s views”Gnash
- Hey Gnash. Do you have any facts or evidence to provide?Hench
- I was just pointing out to imbecile that rueters changed their fact-check from “false”Gnash
- These fact checkers are demonstrably part of the thought police. They'll literally say anything, and unfortunately the majority just blindly believeHench
- @imbecile
https://rumble.com/v…Hench - The fact that that I couldn't find that video on YouTube speaks volumes... There are multiple others of him saying similar thingsHench
- This guy died suspiciously in late 2019... Just before the 'pandemic'. Convenient that, considering he was number 1 man on earth that could expose the fraudHench
- palimpsest-1
Re: https://www.qbn.com/reply/407762…
Since I'm legally no longer human will I go to jail if I kill somebody or will they throw me in the pound?- More ridicule rather than facts from the tainted bloodsHench
- Is that your legal opinion?palimpsest
- Why don't you try to prove what I've said wrong rather than ridicule? You people are all the sameHench
- The fact is your psyche is too terrified of the possibility of be being right, so rather than go off and research and try to prove me wrong, you just laugh it oHench
- If I'm no longer human I'mma make the most out of it.palimpsest
- Off. It's a defense mechanism and I get it.Hench
- Prove me wrong or prove to everyone reading that you're a foolHench
- Dogs get euthanised for killing people, by the way...Hench
- I'm not trying to prove you wrong, on the contrary I'm taking your claims as fact and asking for your legal opinion.
So euthanasia it is then.palimpsest - Ridicule is the response of foolsHench
- Thank you for clearing that up, I guess?Hench
- Well said.palimpsest
- I truly, genuinely, earnestly wish I could say the same.Hench
- https://www.reuters.…imbecile
- That's a 404 for me. But you're still quoting thought police... You're embarrassing yourself nowHench
- Next you'll be quoting snopesHench
- neverscared2
- Number one!
USA! USA!nbq - Wake up!utopian
- Deagle list of Countries Forecast 2025...
https://web.archive.…Elwin74 - Still all lower than the average covid death age.Hench
- Number one!
- yuekit0
The evidence remains clear: SARS-CoV-2 emerged via the wildlife trade
https://www.pnas.org/doi/10.1073…
A good review of the existing evidence and theories advanced by each side. The idea that virologists and other scientists didn't seriously look at this possibility of it coming from a lab is wrong...they did.
But once you go beyond the coincidence of a lab being in the same city (which is a city the size of London or NYC), there just isn't good evidence to support it.
- the author works for https://zalgen.com & https://gvn.orgshapesalad
- similar to other summaries i've read. where they explain how little we know about how viruses 'jump' over huge differences and between specieskingsteven
- debunk a load of daft conspiracies but come to a conclusion that it emerged within the wildlife trade because it's much more likely (and propose a ban)kingsteven
- it's right, but doesn't eliminate the chance of it being anything to do with an (admittedly unlikely) accidental lab release. or propose any changes therekingsteven
- why shouldn't a ban be on all non-livestock in cities? swiss-cheese model n all that, no proof of difference in risk from one instance of exposurekingsteven
- *differences = distanceskingsteven
- You're right that you can never totally disprove or eliminate the chance, it's more a question of likelihood.yuekit
- What I find interesting is how the lab leak side repeatedly uses complex pseudoscientific arguments that make it look like a lab leak is overwhelminglyyuekit
- likely, and this generates the perception for the public. But when in examined in detail, their arguments are almost always BS.yuekit
- This doesn't just apply to fringe conspiracy theorists but the main people promoting the lab theory like DRASTIC, Alina Chan, Richard Ebright who are oftenyuekit
- cited as sources by journalists. There were also a number of fake stories planted by the Trump admin and by overseas Chinese groups as documented here...yuekit
- https://www.wsws.org…yuekit
- So the reality is weirdly the opposite of how it's been portrayed, where scientists are unfairly dismissing this idea but a few brave independent thinkers stoodyuekit
- up to tell you the truth. Like you said that doesn't discredit it entirely but it's a very different narrative from what most people have been led to believe.yuekit
- i think shape illustrates the typical iconoclastic response above. this sort of article has a very defined audience due to the author presentingkingsteven
- his experience with ebola as an argument to strengthen his case (to any critic it only serves as evidence of bias) - to anyone like myself who otherwise agreeskingsteven
- it makes the facts read as an opinion piece (which it is) when what we want is an inverse meta-analysis disproving the bullshitkingsteven
- What makes this topic so difficult is that the arguments hinge on very technical details, for instance in this paper he explains why the furin cleavage siteyuekit
- of SARS-CoV-2 actually suggests it wasn't engineered -- it's an out of frame insertion into the genome that makes no sense for a virologist to include.yuekit
- To virologists these are very strong arguments against lab origin (another one is the finding that there were two different lineages that couldn't have evolvedyuekit
- from each other, so were there two lab leaks, both at an animal market?).yuekit
- yep, i just mean the anecdotal additions by the author only detract from the (clear cut) data. and his conclusion doesn't address the cause of conspiracykingsteven
- (racism, mistrust in international scientific community, mistrust in government, actual recorded lab-leaks, nuanced disputes about crispr)kingsteven
- it would be a good starting point for more targeted articles or essential reading for thanksgiving dinner argument take-downs with a dickhead brother-in-lawkingsteven
- I'm Chinese myself but I wouldn't blame it on racism. If you look at how the lab leak theory started, it was actually promoted by overseas Chinese groups likeyuekit
- the Falun Gong cult and the Chinese billionaire Guo Wengui, who hired Steve Bannon to run online disinfo campaigns. These groups are connected with theyuekit
- Trump administration, so in the beginning it was really an attempt to use the origin of the pandemic to continue the Trump admin's assault against China.yuekit
- monospaced7
WHO reports 90% drop in global COVID-19 deaths since February
- I dunno, who?Nairn
- I’m not asking you, I’m telling you!
;)monospaced - *takes one step forward
I dodrgs - Let's put the fist bumps behind us.utopian
- so we won?!BabySnakes
- Are the WHO even doctors?MrT
- The WHO are a rock bandKrassy
- nb-2
There’s a new batch of parents who are now shouting about how their kids’ pediatricians aren’t taking Covid seriously enough.
Kinda sad to see a cohort of Covid-conscious people attacking actual doctors on twitter and falling in with the ol’ “do your own research” crowd, but from the opposite side of the argument
- nobody is, deaths are on the rise, kids are getting more and more sick but we let the idiots win. congrats._niko
- Nobody is? Ok...nb
- We aren’t taking it seriously anymore either. Oh wellmonospaced
- yuekit-2
It's amazing to me how attached people still are to these alternative narratives about COVID.
In reality there's still no good evidence ivermectin cures COVID, hydroxychloroquine cures COVID, that vaccines don't work or that SARS-CoV-2 came from a lab. Much less for the more insane ideas like the entire pandemic was planned by Fauci, Bill Gates etc (which use as evidence the other theories I mentioned).
What's funny is that groups that oppose the Chinese government think there was a lab leak in China. Republicans think Fauci and Democrats are covering up the lab leak. Chinese nationalists think there was a lab leak in the USA. Putin says there was a lab leak in Ukraine.
These ideas feed into narratives people believe in...fear of the Chinese or American government, the feeling your own government lied to you about the pandemic. I'm not saying these narratives are wrong in all cases but you obviously can't reason backwards from a political narrative to answering a question like the origin of a disease.
- It's the lack of ability to move on. To hold on to what you think reality is. The world moved from stable decades to chaos mode really fast.uan
- Actually those stable decades were almost an anomaly. Perpetual chaos was/is the norm.grafician
- I think it's understandable people want an explanation for why the pandemic happened. That it just randomly emerged due to human development isn't a veryyuekit
- satisfying explanation. But you have to think about the fact that the world population doubled just within the past forty years from 4 billion to 8 billion.yuekit
- And in SE Asia where these viruses exist there's massive deforestation and animal trade going into China.yuekit
- Again, "came from a lab" and "lab leak" are two different things, you know? :)grafician
- and deforestation and animal trade in SE Asia is nothing compared to what dangerous viruses will emerge from the defrosting tundra in russia or canadagrafician
- The problem was that China weren't transparent about the problem and they couldn't solve it on their own, so it blew up on the rest of the world.grafician
- But the final conclusion is simply we don't know, might never find out 100% what happened and these narratives will continue for decades...grafician
- china lied, people died.zardoz
- China doesn't want to take the blame so they've basically shut down any real studies into the origin. But it's also difficult to find the origin of a diseaseyuekit
- even with a transparent government. Scientists still don't understand where the Omicron variant came from, where Ebola came from etcyuekit
- i enjoy debating the unknowns for entertainment, but then you realise folks are just regurgitating conspiracies and it absolutely ruins it...kingsteven
- you can't play 'what if?' with folks who aren't aware of how their own magical thinking, don't check their biases, can't interpret scientific data.kingsteven
- conspiracists ruin conspiracies for the rest of uskingsteven
- Let's be honest...a vast majority of people on this planet are stupid as fuck!utopian
- I'll have what ever Yuekit is on, sounds wild!shapesalad
- @utopian, did your two friends recover from the strokes they had soon after taking their boosters?Chimp
- Lab leak, ftwGnash
- Even if people think it was a lab leak, you have to admit there's a lot of BS out there. For instance, I remember people posting this podcast a while backyuekit
- https://www.youtube.…yuekit
- Turns out almost everything they say here is wrong...the basic idea being proposed, that SARS-2 was modified from another virus, is scientifically impossible.yuekit
- And yet people believed this and treated it as proof when it came out. And the same seems to be true of this latest report.yuekit
- https://www.semafor.…yuekit
- Still, lab leakGnash
- Chimp3
"Covid-19 ‘Most Likely’ Leaked From Lab in China, Senate GOP Report Says"
- a new report by Republicans on the Senate health committee. Hmmmmtank02
- @tank02 what parts of the study do you disagree with?Chimp
- Does make China's zero policy strategy seem a bit odd. What do they know that we don't? Maybe long covid's but a hint at something more sinister?Nairn
- I think you have to be very skeptical of these lab leak claims by now. There's been about a hundred different attempts to prove it and they all seem to fallyuekit
- apart under scrutiny.
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - Why should you be skeptical of the science?Chimp
- The science actually points to SARS-2 originating from the animal trade in China just like SARS-1.yuekit
- There isn't much debate among virologists or people who track diseases. It's on social media and for political reasons that the lab leak theory has taken off.yuekit
- It doesn't all you've done is found someone who disagrees with a scientific paper on Twitter.Chimp
- It's not a scientific paper, this is a report by Republican politicians. And these people I linked actually have published research on the origins like this.yuekit
- Perhaps you're letting your political beliefs cloud your judgement.Chimp
- https://www.science.…yuekit
- https://www.science.…yuekit
- Why do you find it so hard to believe it could have escaped from lab when it's happened so many times before?Chimp
- You have to look at the circumstances of the outbreak. The first people to get sick were workers at a market selling live animals that were slaughtered on site,yuekit
- And this market had already been predicted as a risk for diseases spreading from animals to humans.yuekit
- https://www.telegrap…yuekit
- It also wasn't in the same part of the city as the lab, it was a 30 minute drive away.yuekit
- Lab workers at the Wuhan lab were admitted to hospital with "flu like symptoms" before the outbreak.Chimp
- That's another rumor that was never proven, again coming from Republican politicians.yuekit
- chimp, its cherrypicking sciencetank02
- Check out the first paper I posted above, they do spatial analysis of the early cases and it clearly centers around the market.yuekit
- Where the intermediate host animal? Covid 19 came out oven ready for humans.Chimp
- *where’sChimp
- I'm not a subscriber. I can't say this isn't possible but trusting the likes of McConnell, Ted Cruz. Jim Jordan, etc. isn't very wise. They're a crime family.CyBrainX
- LOL he's still at itpango
- Couldn't it have originated from the market but also had samples present in a lab somewhere?akiersky
- I feel like the two aren't mutually exclusive. It's very possible they were already studying it, after finding it in the market earlierakiersky
- If it did originate naturally there would have been more outbreaks in other places just like Sars-Covid-1.Chimp
- I'm not a fan of the Republicans but even stopped clocks are right twice a day.Chimp
- yes.. very kool... who doesn´t want to have a broken watch .that truth it tells you dies after one atomsecond after you bought into it...neverscared
- Validity lost at GOP. No doubt this is full of “inaccuracies” at best. A broken watch can be right because it stops. Repubs never stop lying.imbecile
- GOP adopts too slow .. there watches must be broken... their truth is outdated and they think they are still on time although their watch has broken along timeneverscared
- Ah the classic, if you can't attack the message attack the author.Chimp
- One of the stories that came out of that report is already being questioned, it may end up being retracted.yuekit
- https://www.semafor.…yuekit
- @yuekit that doesn't dispute the main points. Looks like your grasping at strawsChimp
- From the beginning there's been all these political attempts to prove the lab leak happened.
https://www.wsws.org…yuekit - So like I said...it's not impossible, but you have to view a report coming from the GOP with a lot of skepticism.yuekit
- It doesn't answer why there weren't multiple outbreak sites.Chimp
- they look at their broken watches and unproven points like a retarted man and blubber the same things again and again although its not true.neverscared
- At some point you're going to have to forget you political beliefs and accept this most probably came from the lab like most people with common sense think.Chimp
- at the exact critical point singularity the watch starts ticking again and they will see they had it all wrong ...neverscared
- for 99.99999% of the time... which equals a total failureneverscared
- thats how ther common sense work....def. too late then for most people...neverscared
- the GOP lying is a classic of the classics.. u couldn´t build an archive big enough with their clownshow historyneverscared
- Most likely my dickcrazyprick
- shapesalad5
@Yuekit If, as you do, you believe the virus came from the live animals at the wet market - how come the people involved in capturing those animals and transporting them a considerable distance to the market... stopping along the way at restaurant and truck stops etc, how come they weren’t patient 1 of a highly, highly infectious virus, causing the virus to spread to those around them... Causing the origin of the outbreak to happen not just at the wet market but at the source of the animals and along the transport route to the market. Any thoughts?
Plus any thoughts on all the weird activities at the Wuhan lab that just so happened to be working on covid viruses. A facility built in conjunction with the French, who scientists and engineers were unable to sign off on the final construction and running of the lab as it was put together so poorly and ran poorly. There was supposed to be 10 French scientists working jointly at the lab, they all pulled out as the facility didn’t meet the required safety standards.
It was so obviously the lab as the origin. Don’t do foolishly lap up the CCPs lies.
The claims you make - are all based on things said by
Scientists involved in viral research who don’t want blame at their feet or funding cut. There’s one guy in particular who feeds this narative, p
Peter Daszak. Google him....As for the lockdowns in China they are nothing to do with covid. Firstly you have a system where by no officials want to report to their higher ups that they have a covid problem. So they throw insane measures at it to save face. Secondly there is an actual property market collapse in China, people are locked into mortgages on properties not yet even built, etc. evergrande near collapsed along with most other such companies in China. They were many protests. People refused to pay mortgages, banks froze accounts and limited withdrawals. Add to that high unemployment due to falling demand for ‘Made in China’, far too many men vs women in the population due to one child policy, and you’ve got a powder keg of a population ripe to over throw their government... unless they can’t, because they are locked up and isolated in a covid facility...
- Sars-1 and Avian Flu had multiple outbreak sites as it was circulating in the animal population before it could make the jump to humans. Covid-19 has only 1.Chimp
- in hollywood movies labs studying infectious diseases are underground in a desert to make it believable, in reality they're on every hospital site andkingsteven
- university campus, every route in and out of cities. the impact of the confirmation of an accidental so 'funding-cut' is an understatementkingsteven
- *accidental release would be devastating to the international scientific community, sokingsteven
- Yep, there are strong motivations to make this look like it 100% originated from nature and not from the lab.Chimp
- The CCP narrative isn't that it came from the market. They actually say it came from outside China, so their goal is to avoid taking responsibility at all cost.yuekit
- You can theorize about the likelihood of lab accidents, in reality with all the virological research kingsteven mentioned there's been no proven case of labyuekit
- Because that theory has been debunked and they need to distract from the fact it most probably came from the lab.Chimp
- leak of an unknown virus causing an outbreak. There have been some lab accidents including in Asia but not a single one started a large outbreak.yuekit
- So that should be taken into account...meanwhile we do have a track record of outbreaks caused in connection with the animal trade.yuekit
- And the earliest cases of SARS-2 were workers at a market that sold the same species involved in SARS-1 outbreak. There are no cases involving the lab oryuekit
- tbh that's why i've mostly shut up about it. i think a consensus of "it may have been accidentally released" is probably the best result we can hope forkingsteven
- anywhere near it. So are people just going to ignore that minor detail of how the outbreak started? :) It seems extremely implausible that a virus leaks fromyuekit
- a lab but causes no infections involving the lab and ends up at an animal market selling animals that carry SARS viruses a 30 minute drive away.yuekit
- So why isn't there evidence of earlier infections? Well after the outbreak China didn't release any testing of the animals sold at the market or of workersyuekit
- involved in the animal trade. All they released was testing of frozen meat and stray cats at the market. Officially they deny any live animals were sold thereyuekit
- anytime in 2019. And the entire wildlife farming industry was shut down -- around 100k farms across China -- without any known testing.yuekit
- As far as "weird activities at the lab" so many of these speculations and rumors about the lab have been proven false.yuekit
- See this thread...even the story about them taking down the database ends up being wrong.
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - I'm not saying it's impossible it came from the lab but you just have to take note of the repeated fraudulent attempts to prove it.yuekit
- Ihttps://en.wikipedi...kingsteven
- https://en.wikipedia…kingsteven
- i mean, i work in a building with several BSL-2 and at least 1 BSL-3 lab and I am constantly getting emails about breaches and people not following protocolkingsteven
- i wouldn't take the idea that it's never happened on the scale of COVID as any sort of proof it didn't happenkingsteven
- ^ Right but notice how the lab accidents involving SARS viruses never caused any large outbreak a single time.yuekit
- There may be something about the dynamics of scientists getting infected that makes this less likely. They take more precautions than people in the animal tradeyuekit
- https://www.science.…yuekit
- Also consider the fact that sampling even a small number of animals from China's wildlife industry turns up dozens of previously unknown viruses.yuekit
- They didn't find SARS-2 but about half the raccoon dogs (a species sold at Huanan Market) were infected with unknown coronaviruses.yuekit
- ^thisneverscared
- i agree, but millions of people eat at wet markets every day there are a lot of unknowns in our knowledge of how coronaviruses evolve and cross between specieskingsteven
- i'd say the 'lab leak' if a viable theory more likely accidental exposure outside the lab (ie. disposal of samples) i don't think we'll ever know at this pointkingsteven
- i've read papers about viral samples evolving while frozen etc. there's probably more ridiculous theories than either lab leak or wet market yet to come :)kingsteven
- You're right there's a lot of unknowns. One theory I read is that these viruses may spread directly from bats to humans and then evolve within the animal trade.yuekit
- No other known coronavirus contains a furin clevage site, which is something charateristic of Influenza, HIV, Ebola, Marburg and aides infectivity in humans.monNom
- So. that's a bit weird.monNom
- Actually that's not true
https://www.frontier…yuekit - No coronavirus of this specific type has been identified with furin cleavage site, but the most similar known viruses in the wild are very close to having them.yuekit
- And hundreds of other coronaviruses have furin cleavage sites as explained in the link above. Basically there's just a lot of misleading info that gets repeatedyuekit
- and it's easy to fool people because it's such a complex subject.yuekit
- Occam's razor says it's lab leakgrafician
- Wait boringsalads on this shit too?pango
- kaiyohtee-2
Glad somepeople believe in reality here, cuz a qhole fuck ton of you are sutpid af. So glad we can push the false GOP narrative here. Good luck in life fuckwads!
- u better trust in that watch that is kaputt...neverscared
- yuekit-6
@shapesalad The answer is that there's never been any testing of animals sold at the market or from the supply chain ever released. China managed to fool the media on this. What they released was testing of frozen meat products that were left behind in freezers and stray cats and dogs wandering through the vacant market.
You can't completely rule it out but none of the actual published research supports the lab origin. The key paper is this analysis of the early cases showing they cluster around the market, while the lab is on the other side of the city. And within the market, positive samples are correlated with the section of the market where they sold animals.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1…
Scientists have also done modeling of the early evolution of the virus and found that there were two different versions of SARS-CoV-2 in the beginning that couldn't have evolved from each other, meaning it probably spilled over from animals to humans multiple times.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1…
As far as the idea that we can't trust the experts, scientists are all covering up the truth, this is just the same as every other conspiracy theory. Climate change deniers, anti-vaxxers and people who think ivermectin cures COVID all say the same thing.
But you have to ask how likely it is that there's a conspiracy successfully maintained for three years between the CCP, the US government and scientists and journalists around the world.
- For those downvoting, feel free to point out a single thing I said here that was wrong...yuekit
- I think people want to believe it came from the lab because it plays into certain narratives (about China or about not trusting the government).yuekit
- But the evidence just doesn't support it right now. If that changes I'll adjust my opinion accordingly :)yuekit
- the clock stopped ticking dont u get it... but its right two times a day .... lol.. thats about the puniest metapher i have ever read...neverscared
