RIP Mobile Flash
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- ESKEMA0
Flash simply was never ready for mobile. The security issues alone are a mindfuck. They tried but failed.
Adobe wants money too, it's not just Apple. They don't give a fuck about your creativity and freedom and pushing boundaries, they're a corporation and they're init for the money. HTML5 is where it's at now. They already have a bunch of software related to HTML5 deployment in the oven and they want you to buy it.
And for everyone always arguing with the App Store threat, that's just bullshit. HTML5 apps are just as threatening to the app Store as Flash was, it's simply not proprietary.- <monospaced
- indeedgeorgesIII
- so you're saying apple didn't make a brilliant business decision by not including flash on the iPhone?kingsteven
- i'd say it was definitely for all sorts of reasons, and to put it down to HTML5's superiority is a bit odd considering...kingsteven
- ... webGL, isn't in mobile safari yet... and this was two years ago?kingsteven
- Adobe didn't have a working product by then, and continually delayed it. At some point Apple said Fuck it...ESKEMA
- (and i think) at the minute WebGL works in iAds, but not within mobile safari?kingsteven
- exactly, so why do people always seem to make this a html5 vs flash thing?kingsteven
- the HTML5 always come because it's the alternative. People will always take sides when there are competing...ESKEMA
- products.ESKEMA
- btw, i didn't mean to imply that was your stance esk - but i think the 'threat' is viable, as one of many factors.kingsteven
- i'd see it more as a good way to build the market for apps, than a direct threat though.kingsteven
- sure, and it probably was too. That's just not the biggest reason as I see it...ESKEMA
- people made it html5 vs flash because thats what jobs made it... muppets - do you not remember his rantfadein11
- CyBrainX0
How many HTML5 apps do you see out there compared to Flash content on the desktop web? How easy is it to create those HTML5 apps? How many people know how to do it? Given the numbers, do you really think it's a coincidence that Apple was the only major player to take the anti-Flash stance?
- Microsoft took the same stance, and Google just doesn't give a fuck because they license Android with or without Flash.ESKEMA
- employee0
Actually there are a great deal of hosted app frameworks that will soon be out: brightcove has one, amazon will have one...
A full service authoring tool and wrapper that is hosted that takes you from creating, to submitting, to upgrading your app.
- yes... and a re-usable platform-independant wrapper would be good, less vendor lock-invaxorcist
- hotroddy0
it's straight from Jobs' authorized bio: Steve Jobs banned Flash in retaliation against Adobe. He had a grudge against adobe since mid nineties.
- but blaming one company for Flash's demise is reachingmonospaced
- I don't think so. Apple was the only one racing to wet the bed. It's not like the public knows the difference.CyBrainX
- instrmntl0
We're building something dope for Nike that could never be done in HTML5.
- ooh, a new super-parallax site. sick brah!lvl_13
- ;Dlvl_13
- 2 million dollar shoot in LA just for web.instrmntl
- never say nevercaseyz
- oooh dollar spend - it must be creative and innovative - pah!fadein11
- A flash site for nike, WHO GIVES A SHIT! really?? no one cares about flashy web experiences anymoreanimatedgif
- other than the cunts selling them, NO ONE ACTUALLY USES YOUR SHITanimatedgif
- jon_d0
parallax!
- instrmntl0
hahah, parallax is where HTML5 is at.
- 3030
I agree with ernexbcn that desktop flash can turn laptops into a frying pans, but some people are overreacting saying that "flash is dead". The mobile version is dead, the desktop one is still around but in the decline. I am sure that desktop flash will be around for a while specially if you consider Adobe's air platform for building apps. What strikes me is the fact that Adobe wasn't able (or willing) to develop proper version mobile devices. For iPhone/iPad we have mobile versions of games like Need for Speed and that proves the fact that if put enough effort, you can develop a decent software.
- comicsans0
Awesome! the second best thing they could have done. Now they just need the courage of their convictions and cancel Flash outright. Flash was a reaction to the browser wars of times gone past, it is ugly, inefficient, insecure and obsolete (which is probably why Apple so rightly despised it). Now it is a crutch for people who can't be bothered to learn up to date tools.
- "it is ugly, inefficient, insecure and obsolete"
DO YOU WRITE FOR VOGUE???georgesIII - obsolete? what the most ubiqitous plugin there is - are you stupid?fadein11
- "it is ugly, inefficient, insecure and obsolete"
- deathboy0
yea and get rid of all animated banners and other animation stuff thats flash
- chossy0
comicsans this is a post you made a year or so ago about colour cycling in HTML5.... what am I looking at here?
- chossy0
Also doesn't flash and air export for the mobile platform anyway. So Flash as a tool has adapted quite well to the changing environment so it is quite an up to date technology in that respect just the flash player is no longer going forward. However as a tool to create it is still able to perform as well as it always has done?
- fadein110
I think this whole site should now be put in the 1st world problems thread. few people speak sense (boz and georgeIII and a few others are exceptions) but the general trend is fools like monospaced (fanboy) not seeing the bigger picture. This site just shows how the web has become branded and powered by capatilism. Happy web $.0 everyone. fuck web 2.0, welcome to the wired controlled web xxx
- fuck these endless team battles... pc vs mac, html5 vs flash, ios vs android - tedious unproductive bullshitfadein11
- get on with ya work and stop wasting ya time talking bullshitfadein11
- I'm not a fanboy, you jerk.monospaced
- ernexbcn0
LOL at "few people speak sense (boz)..."
- SteveJobs0
there's something fishy about all this. sure, it's a runtime and runtime's are, by definition, inferior to native programs, so what? wait another year or so and most any mobile device should be able to run your stuff.
i think there's something else going on. i think adobe wanted to corner the mobile market with a cross-platform sdk - one that would be the go-to technology for newbie developers who'd be otherwise intimidated by the likes of objective c or java. but it didn't happen and now their realizing it's not going to be what they'd hoped and while they *could* let it die quietly (for the mobile platform), they can't just keep investors in the dark about it.
this isn't about flash vs. html 5. i abandoned flash a while back because my specific needs don't require it, but it still has it's place, and probably 'always' will.
you best believe it.
- monNom0
Knowing absolutely nothing about native app development on mobile devices, it seems to me that writing flash for each and every one of these platforms, with their unique processors and graphics capabilities, would be a nightmare.
A big development team makes sense for x86 on the desktop... maybe it makes sense for a big player like Blackberry with their playbook as it's probably going to be worth the investment, but when you have a company like RIM ditch an entire product line that you just sunk resources into (expecting years of marketshare from that investment)... that's got to sting. Now multiply that by the number of unique hardware/software platforms out there and how comfortable are you going to feel ramping up for yet another new platform?
- omg0
WHAT?! I can't believe they waited for Jobs to die to finally figure this out. Someone from Apple needs to say something about this.