RIP Mobile Flash
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- uan
"Jobs Was Right: Adobe Abandons Mobile Flash Development, Report Says"
- inteliboy0
wait until boz gets a load of this
- lolmonNom
- didn't Boz die? I've not seen an Android thread in a long timeomg
- he threatened to kill someone on the internetmonospaced
- GeorgesII0
what I see, everytime a wired/endgadget/gizmodo?? writer gets to include S.Jobs name in a article,
I can picture them yelling "FIRST"
then
- I could watch that for ages, even though I'm not gay.Ianbolton
- It's going to take ages for him to finish at that rate. Have fun!soundsinsilence
- Ianbolton0
what does this mean for digital media (ie turning pages) on mobile devices though? Does that mean everything will eventually be integrated into some kind of html5 format?
- lol @ "ie turning pages"kingsteven
- Tell me about it. For some reason my boss reckons it's The Future!Ianbolton
- animatedgif0
Suddenly everyone changes their tune and it was crap from the start anyway when a few months ago everyone was moaning because they couldn't get "the full internet" on phones and tablets.
Good thing no one important bet on that horse
- GeorgesII0
I think it's pitiful, that Adobe does this,
when flash works flawlessly on android and webos devices,Steve jobs was a big bully, who only went after flash because it would cut some profit from his cash cow >>> Appstore <<<
- that's pretty narrow-minded, he gave damn good reasons why he wouldn't support flashmonospaced
- Sorry, I have to agree 100% with GeorgesII on this one.CyBrainX
- you're blaming ONE company for killing the technology? That's basically Apple fanboy talk right theremonospaced
- Yup, I agree. Pure business move that worked very well. Shrewd business man, Jobs was.formed
- have to agree with George on this one - that article is bullshit as flash works fine on my mobile devicesfadein11
- It was a business move. That one business is responsible for the cream of the crop mobile devices. All others are seeking to imitate.instrmntl
- im with Georges on this one too, jobs designed a car that cant climb a hill, so he blames and takes out all the hillsmoldero
- So you all have had great experiences with Flash on a mobile device then? Did you read the article?soundsinsilence
- Ianbolton0
I think Adobe are minted enough as a business, a bit like Apple, so I can't really take sides with either. Not sure I'd call Apple a bully. I'm sure they're as bad as each other
- GeorgesII0
the bozman, always right on target,
i miss him
- He's a delusional Adobe shill who works in an unloved segment of a dull industry that should never have existed.detritus
- are you stupid detritus, seriously, your whole comment reeks of delusion, flash did a lot more to bring the web where it's at right now than apple ever didGeorgesII
- now,
than apple ever did with their closed systemsGeorgesII - "unloved segment of a dull industry that should never have existed" < Sums it up perfectlyanimatedgif
- you kids need educating as to how many of the 'concepts' you take for granted, we're originally driven by flash technologykingsteven
- 'never should have existed' is probably the most short sited bs i've read on here for a long while...kingsteven
- & Boz has been coding HTML5 technologies before you ever knew (and perhaps you still don't) what they were.kingsteven
- he is a total adobe fanboy but it's easy enough to filter past that to see he's usually right.kingsteven
- right? he makes some of the most hot-headed stupid predictions imaginablemonospaced
- that's Boz... but he has a much better grasp on the realities of technology outside of the normal open source vs propriety mentality...kingsteven
- so he tends to just defend adobe against this ridiculous ifabricated flash vs html5 argument.kingsteven
- which has everything to do with flash vs apps/ other proprietary technologies, and very little to do with open standards.kingsteven
- what happened to good ol boz anyway?moldero
- He ran away.antagonista
- It's funny you guys act like he knows something when he has never accomplished anything.antagonista
- ernexbcn0
Most Flash sites that are worth visiting turn your laptop into a frying pan and fans start speeding up like a 747 about to take off.
Given that premise, it was damn crazy they complained to Apple back when the 1st iPhone was released about Apple not wanting the plugin there. They didn't have the plugin ready and it turns out almost 5 years later they still don't. They couldn't get around the many issues and kept missing dates and promises.
I am glad this shit is over, can't wait to see the Flash Player for desktop to die soon too.
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but I'd rather see Flash fixed than killed, that's for suremonospaced - you can say the same about js and html5chrisRG
- yep, difficult call to make but i'd flash still performs better than html5 in most cases. there's just more of it.kingsteven
- the demand is still there, as soon as your clients start asking for html5/js/canvas banner ads you'll be making them.kingsteven
- this is bullshit - mac laptops struggle a little but i dont see these performance issues and same with HTML5/JS anywayfadein11
- GeorgesII0
Am I missing something? Why is there this movement to boycott Flash?
Still there has yet to sites that compare in functionality, reliability and consistency. I've seen some 'good' sites, but they lack the details (like 75% is smooth, then there are holes in the presentation).
Someone point me to the reasoning or examples if I missed something.
- When SJ said he dislikes Flash, he made up the mind of thousand people. Yet they will deny that.chrisRG
- Stop making sense Georges!ORAZAL
- Goodby Silverstein's site is a pretty good reason to abandon Flash. Hello 2001!soundsinsilence
- monospaced0
I really wish Adobe wouldn't give up. It's a huge faith killer in their company.
Sure, Apple didn't want any part of their Flash software on the iOS and had good reasons, but I wish people wouldn't see it as a boycott or war between the companies. Just about every other phone does support Flash, so you can't realistically blame a single company/manufacturer for their demise. Ok, now I have no idea who I'm talking to, because nobody here even blamed Apple...or did they?
Anyway, I wish Adobe would just fucking get their shit together and make a kickass Flash player that owns the mobile world, scaled to mobile hardware, optimized for the cellular bandwidth and so on. They can't blame the industry, or the success of another company, they can only blame themselves for not making it work.
- < !! after all....YouTube made a "flash" mobile player--can it be that hard?Christa
- formed0
I am with GII on this. Why the Flash hate? Is everyone hoping to get more business for the non-Flash programmers??
I still, have yet to see a HTML5 website that approaches the best Flash websites, on any front (reliability, functionatliy, look/feel, etc.).
And yeah, when one company is basically the driving force behind a new tool (iPhone) and completely dominates the press and market, goes out and promotes killing another company, I can certainly blame them for the majority of the death.
But I also agree Adobe has dropped the ball in a big way. They've had ample time to come out with something. I wish they would, I'll gladly boycott Apple if anyone can come out with something even comparable (still hoping the hardware can catch up and Mango is good, as the iPhone4S is a big dropped ball, imho).
- GeorgesII0
This is a funny topic, you hear people saying things about html5 as a replacement for Flash. All I have ever seen are rudimentary games and video players. The shit isn't ready for prime time yet. I work for a newspaper company we have 30-40 web sites. stats say that less than 4% of users come from iOS. While over 20% come from IE6.
I made an infographic that was judged for an in-house competition in flash and some dick said "flash is so five years ago". Should I start making everything in html5 and alienate 20% of our users to appeal to 4% of users? That is retarded logic.
So many people want to be on the cutting edge of things when the tools are not even there yet.
- The "cool" factor has overtaken logic in the past 5 - 10 years... I always thought logic WAS cool!ideaist
- hah, it's amazing the way there's an army of non-coders arguing this. as if there are any decent Flash developers that don't also code HTML/JS/Canvaskingsteven
- aren't also doing HTML5/JS/Canvaskingsteven
- vaxorcist0
All randomness aside.....
I still use flash to play mp3's on musician websites....
Does anyone here know a good non-flash way to play mp3's that make it hard for non-techies to copy the mp3's?
I need to find a way that works on iphones too....
- detritus0
@georges, @kingsteven
I've been professionally involed in the web since '98 so am at least a little aware of Flash's impact and relevance in the industry.
After you've gotten over yourselves, go back and read what I actually wrote - note I didn't say 'Flash should never have existed', I said words to teh effect of 'Boz's corner of the industry should never have existed' - ie. the shitty over consumerised excess content-pushing bullshit that anyone who's actually honest with themselves (and not merely trying to score points with themselves) as a web user and as a human being, wopuld have to concede is superfluous to need.
Especially in mobile.
I've many times said I value Flash's position in pushing the envelope, but that's by the by.
That aside - please remember that some of us have our tongues firmly lodged in our cheeks when engaging with this increasingly credulous and literal, increasingly fuckwitted site.
- I still have no idea what you mean by "Boz's corner of the industry" - his portfolio is pretty much straight up web/ app design/development.kingsteven
- development, certainly not as decedent as i've developed...kingsteven
- voxel10
*Long time troll coming up for air.
I have to agree with Georgesll, personally I couldn’t give a monkeys what the tech is that I have to use to produce something as long as it works for the target audience and their set up.
I think the attitude towards flash and flash developers is a real odd one. In retrospect, yes, with how tech as developed over the years flash’s presence may be overstayed and inappropriate for certain set ups and audiences but it seems that some people simply relish in knowledge that soon the “flash desperados” will be out of work and banished to the scrap heap – and serves them right for investing in such a shitty idea. Granted most will re-train and make the switch to other technologies. But just as people I find it a real shitty and petulant stand point. This industry is one of the most prissy arrogant industries I’ve come across – it’s starting to get really sad. I come from a place where most of the people I know aren’t in this industry or industries anything like this and you never hear them pissing and moaning about such shite. I’ve never heard 2 plasters bitching on about this manufacturer of trowel is way better the that one – if you did you would be rightly pimp slapped and shunned for being a right bell end. pc vs mac, ios vs android, flash vs html5, vs vs vs – really? Adults, really?- heckloads of industries have squabbles - usually technically-oriented or still-developing ones.detritus
- I'm wholly unsurprised plasterers or brickes don't spend time arguing about their tools - they're hundreds, if not thousands, of years old.detritus
- thousands, of years old.detritus
- they jsut don't give a fuk. They just get on with the job in hand.voxel1
- the tools work... damn, what is the brick laying equivalent of IE6? :-Dkingsteven
- voxel, your phrases are great "right bell end", "plasters", good stuff.CyBrainX
- That would be making your own out of clay, I suppose.ian
- that is a real good effort on my part - usually even i can't understand what i write. For some reson i have started typing "the" and "teh" as well, not just sometime but consistantlyvoxel1
- typing "the" as "teh" - consistanlty.
voxel1
- vaxorcist0
Everyone can now throw their BETAMAX VCRs in the trash....
Some people memorized huge amounts of flash quirks, and made a living at it ..... >>>> Betamax skills
Some people learned object oriented programming and/or how to do motion graphics >>> Transferrable skills
wonder where all the fire comes from???
- So there's a new video recording format called "Transferrable" (sic)?ORAZAL
- chrisRG0
Truth be told, before Steve Jobs thoughts on Flash, there were no hate on Flash. Fact.
What I dont get is the thing @georgers mentioned, what's with the hate? And it's been widely spread by some well known former Flasher's whose used to do tons of money with it, then suddenly started to hate all Adobe things.
- people have a slow memGeorgesII
- umn, there was plenty of hate for flash before jobs, but it was genrally hatred of animation on websites, splash pages and usability.kingsteven
- usability but jobs introduced this Flash vs open standards/ HTML5 excuse... even neilson wasn't that harsh...kingsteven
- after working on flash accessibility for two years i think neilson said something like "animation on websites is pointless".kingsteven
- ... pointless" - jobs was a smart fucker.kingsteven
- Truth is, people voice opinions as if they are talking on behalf of everyone. Fact.inteliboy
- manonthestreet0
Look it's quite simple. The mobile web is not the web.
New devices, new screen sizes, and the technologies are bound to change or at least change in the way they are applied.
I hate apps for mobile...those that I do download I use once or twice and then forget about. I am yet to stick with using an app over it's web site via my mobile browser [sans google gmail].
You can see that there is no comparison between HTML5/js and flash, but you cannot see that there is no comparison between the mobile web and a desktop/laptop experience.
New playing field = new rules = be flexible or become obsolete
- CyBrainX0
@vaxoricist Very good points about transferrable skills. However, at one point, the world adopted VHS instead of Beta and Beta people were rightly pissed because Beta was a higher quality format. You can argue, but Flash is in most cases a better solution than an undocumented spec that is slow to advance, harder to develop for and just requires more work with more creative limitations.
- VHS = 2 hour movie easier than Betamax... but BETA SP became News Camera Standard... long story...vaxorcist
- vaxorcist0
Sometimes the "Flash is Dead" thing is like eating a Bacon Sandwich at a PETA march and screaming "People Eat Tasty Animals"
Sometimes the "Flash is Dead" thing is like what a friend of mine when he was in high school.... he cross-subscribed a Hunter's Gun and Ammo mailing list to an Animal Rights Activist mailing list, so every message to one went to the other,mayhem ensued....
these days, technology has evolved to prevent cross-subscriptions like that...