RIP Mobile Flash
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- vaxorcist0
Sometimes the "Flash is Dead" thing is like eating a Bacon Sandwich at a PETA march and screaming "People Eat Tasty Animals"
Sometimes the "Flash is Dead" thing is like what a friend of mine when he was in high school.... he cross-subscribed a Hunter's Gun and Ammo mailing list to an Animal Rights Activist mailing list, so every message to one went to the other,mayhem ensued....
these days, technology has evolved to prevent cross-subscriptions like that...
- manonthestreet0
Did you know that Honey is actually bee vomit?
- fyoucher10
IMO:
I don't see desktop browsers dying anytime soon. Not everyone uses mobile to access the internet. There's always going to be folks at school who are on a laptop, or at a desk at work or school using a desktop. They're not going to pull out their tablet or phone just to search something on the internet. Have you ever tried doing something real productive on a mobile device? Yeah, maybe if you're editing your blog entries. So I don't see desktop dying. I see people having desktops or laptops for work or school for productive things, and mobile (either tablet or phone or some other future incarnation) for everything else (traveling, entertainment, etc). With that in mind, the desktop Flash plugin is already here (most everyone has it) and I don't see that dying off anytime soon as long as there are desktop browsers. I really don't see apps replacing browsers.I'm not entirely convinced Adobe will abandon it's mobile Flash plugin technology altogether either. Maybe they're just waiting for mobile hardware and batteries to get better, which will be soon, much sooner than the HTML spec being updated again. Mobile hardware gets better and better every month, just like how desktops became faster and faster around 02'-06'. They'll still keep creating API's for accessing mobile devices with AIR. Whenever mobile hardware becomes fast enough, I can see them totally coming back in and just making a mobile Flash plugin or possibly their own mobile browser (that would be something).
However, this is not to say that they also aren't in favor of HTML5 succeeding on the web. I think they're putting a focus on HTML5 for now, since it works on most mobile devices. I think the two technologies can live happily together, and think Adobe thinks the same. Let's face it. HTML takes waaaay too long to get updated with a new spec. That's what plugin technologies are good for, to do things that the native browser can't. I think Adobe is going to try (or should be) bridging the gap between HTML5 and Flash capabilities and make it easier to develop for both using one application or similar set of applications. Or possibly having one application that can export to both technologies (for what is common between the two tech's). Right now, we're in a transitional phase, but I don't think the transition will bump the other technology off, just adding onto.
Related to that...what a lot of people on here don't realize, is that there is an entire infrastructure already in place for online advertising. If you think the actual content, subscriptions is what's making most revenue for most sites, you're sadly mistaken. It's advertising, just like TV. Online advertising isn't going away. Right now that infrastructure is based on Flash technology. That infrastructure isn't going to change unless it's easy to implement into an existing site and the new technology that it replaces it with, becomes widely accepted. And then, on top of that, we're talking about changing that across the entire web. Obviously, it's likely that Flash won't be here forever. But until that online advertising infrastructure is changed (which can be a very long time), Flash will remain entirely relevant, even it it's being accompanied by HTML technology.
- Very good points here. I can't count how many times I email a link from my iPhone to view later on a desktop, sometimes it's not even flash.CyBrainX
- not even Flash I want to check on a large screen.CyBrainX
- < online advertising. My bread and butter. These sites will take ages to change. theyre still serving (max) flash 8 files.shellie
- not that I wont be making html 5 banners when the work comes in, but for now and for years to come, i'll be rendering flash 8-9 banners. -___-shellie
- flash 8-9 banners -____-shellie
- animatedgif0
"I'm not entirely convinced Adobe will abandon it's mobile Flash plugin technology altogether either. Maybe they're just waiting for mobile hardware and batteries to get better"
Why waste extra power in the future running a bad engine to get something a different engine can do today?
- Because that extra engine can't do everything the other engine can. Same idea behind plugin technology on desktops.fyoucher1
- Do we need to do the things it can't do on mobile?animatedgif
- instrmntl0
Occupy Adobe!
- caseyz0
Flash will never die but I'm thinking it will evolve into more of a local environment language for apps (ie AIR)etc, rather than a browser plugin. Its a great language and platform for developing, its just not ready for the modern web where mass-consumption and speed reigns supreme. Flashy things use to be cool, now, people could care less, subtlety is more sophisticated and accomplished with more versatile scripts. Flash will/should always be their as a tool, but I truthfully won't miss it on the web.
Just look at social websites and se what people preffer:
myspace- was a Flash-wonderland
facebook- you aren't even allowed animated gifs- There's a Facebook API for Flashfyoucher1
- Farmvilleanimatedgif
- Never played Farmville, Although my grandma does, yippie for her I guess.caseyz
- You can definitely put Flash on Facebook. I've worked on projects that have it.CyBrainX
- I've put many flash graphics within facebook as well, just never seen them on a profile pagecaseyz
- ernexbcn0
@caseyz one of Facebook's biggest games is Farmville and correct me if I'm wrong that's a Flash app inside Facebook.
- ukit20
http://blogs.adobe.com/conversat…
Adobe is all about enabling designers and developers to create the most expressive content possible, regardless of platform or technology. For more than a decade, Flash has enabled the richest content to be created and deployed on the web by reaching beyond what browsers could do. It has repeatedly served as a blueprint for standardizing new technologies in HTML. Over the past two years, we’ve delivered Flash Player for mobile browsers and brought the full expressiveness of the web to many mobile devices.
However, HTML5 is now universally supported on major mobile devices, in some cases exclusively. This makes HTML5 the best solution for creating and deploying content in the browser across mobile platforms. We are excited about this, and will continue our work with key players in the HTML community, including Google, Apple, Microsoft and RIM, to drive HTML5 innovation they can use to advance their mobile browsers.
Our future work with Flash on mobile devices will be focused on enabling Flash developers to package native apps with Adobe AIR for all the major app stores. We will no longer continue to develop Flash Player in the browser to work with new mobile device configurations (chipset, browser, OS version, etc.) following the upcoming release of Flash Player 11.1 for Android and BlackBerry PlayBook. We will of course continue to provide critical bug fixes and security updates for existing device configurations. We will also allow our source code licensees to continue working on and release their own implementations.
- SteveZissou0
Not so much "Jobs was right", more "Jobs played dirty and won"...
Personally I'm happy enough if it's HTML5 from here...but people have been saying "Flash is dead" for the 10 years I've been working with it, and I'm getting more of this type of work than ever...
- if Flash was necessary for a great mobile experience the iPhone would have died, no?monospaced
- Yeah, I don't think existing Flash stuff was well suited to mobile, so wasn't a deal beaker for the iPhone, just seems clear it was a threat to the App store, as so many of the apps could've been done with Flash, online.SteveZissou
- ..that Flash was a threat to the App store as most of the Apps could've been onlineSteveZissou
- Of course it was about the app store, but the iPhone would be better with flash than without.CyBrainX
- ukit20
Meh...stop blaming Jobs and look at Adobe. It's really an amazing 180 turn considering how aggressively they were pushing mobile Flash just half a year ago.
I remember when iPad came out and Adobe was actively spreading reasons you should not use HTML5, including this completely made up idea that HTML5 would not be ready for another decade, which a bunch of people repeated on here.
Now, HTML5 is "universally supported on major mobile devices" and "the best solution for creating and deploying content." LOL. How can you really take anything Adobe says seriously on the technology front from now on?
I just hope this means they will be creating better software for HTML5, because that is what has been lacking so far.
- They fired 10% of their workforce... just goes to show how FUCKED that organisation has becomeanimatedgif
- I mean fucked in terms of management, not that they'll be dead soonanimatedgif
- I totally agree, ukitmonospaced
- obsolete0
steve jobs died first!
- hektor9110
what to print? hahahaha kidding!
- georgesIII0
Another thread about this? there are like 3 other threads about this very same thing...
I don't see Flash going away soon, but I like that at least for video people are starting to use standard based solutions (HTML5).
- mg330
One of my coworkers forwarded the story to our project manager and web strategy teams telling everyone that Adobe was abandoning Flash altogether! :D
- hah! the wizardry of people who spend all day in meetings astounds me sometimes....vaxorcist
- people only read titlesmanonthestreet
- That's why they're called "Top Line People"vaxorcist
