RIP Mobile Flash
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- ukit20
Thought this was interesting, from Adobe's blog post
“We will continue to leverage our experience with Flash to accelerate our work with the W3C and WebKit to bring similar capabilities to HTML5 as quickly as possible...and, we will design new features in Flash for a smooth transition to HTML5 as the standards evolve so developers can confidently invest knowing their skills will continue to be leveraged.”
"for a smooth transition to HTML5"
I think people are being short-sighted saying Flash will be around forever and ever. Adobe is talking about desktop Flash here, and making the transition to a standards-based approach. If you read between the lines, Adobe seems to be saying they are eventually leaving Flash behind altogether.
- You could guess a lot of scenarios from that paragraph. I for one, feel somewhat comforted by the tone of it.CyBrainX
- deathboy0
Im curious how many people really surf the internet on their mobile devices. More specifically phones. Aren't apps the easier thing to use?
I think it was wise of them to focus on the app market. The percentage of mobile users surfing random shit and needing flash probably doesnt justify the expense to support those few users. Be nice if they did but makes sense. As far as the whole OMG! flash on web is dead i find that hard to swallow. Take for example banners. How much easyier is it to animate a banner or simple tasks in flash than javascript. For the short term i still see flash being fine. If adobe creates GUI that is easy to use without scripting knowledge to animate i think that app would replace flash, but not actionscript and AIR stuff. Unless that app develops overtime and can become better than those technologies. I do like that flash had a contained environment that made things work pretty evenly seemlessly. You think apple would appreciate that fact since that is what they sell. As far as power usages its about how things are built not the tool used. And as far as motion it seemed at a higher level than alot of the html5 stuff, but again could be the builder and not the tools, however a lot of better builders in flash it seems. If flash said fuck u world and stopped who could animate a banner? I think of that when looking at this argument. Remember getting into this field in like 03-04. Saw some cool js animated banners. But it was niche and probably wasnt worth the costs. The flash GUI opened doors for mor epoeple to easily create small animation stuff in a confined environment. Until adobe creates something better for that stuff i think flash is fine. But i am interested in seeing if they can produce something a GUI for this newer stuff that surpasses the old. And hopefully we dont take a step back because a popular icon demonized something for his own gains.
- mikotondria30
Clients want things that look like they have blending modes, motion blurs, 3d, scripted movements and interactions and animations that are frame/keyframe based. Who wouldn't leap at the chance of having AE-style mograph-looking output natively and at low cost running in the browser/app/interface window with high-level scripted interaction/augmented reality ?
We'd love it, our clients would love it. They'd pay us for it.
It would turn and generate billions of dollars, yet we're all stymied by trying to navigate this mountain in the mist and just shouting at each other on other paths. We thought we'd really taken a huge step up with Flash and for a while it was peachy, it was easy to produce impacting sites that clients and customers loved, but time moved on and the technology and the creativeware got out of sync.
Personally, I don't really give a crap about who wins in the deployment layer, I like to code, script, design and animate to interpret my clients' vision and precisely deliver their brand and product - I want to be able to do that with high-level tools that really work and that can produce output that is easily adaptable to the display device, looking spectacular on cinema displays and smoothly functional on a lower-grade Android.
Whoever delivers that will get my money and my loyalty, I don't care who they are. For an industry as a whole to have dropped the ball on not delivering a killer product to as an enormous and sophisticated and wealthy marketplace as the 10s of millions of designers and developers is shocking, I can't think of any other that has performed so badly and become such a mired clusterfuck as this.- hahaha, some good pointsukit2
- There's just so much hot air. Our job is to make great stuff for clients, that their customers love. We're b2b. This is just bs.mikotondria3
- by time do u mean public opinion? take flash out and what do u have for animated web based stuff?deathboy
- As far as best tools still seems like flash takes the cake.deathboy
- or is that what youre saying?deathboy
- well yes and no, I always had trouble with glitches in the editor, and with the performance issues on so many platforms and the fact it was a plugin...mikotondria3
- and the Jobs' opinion has flitered down to clients who want something else. They know that and they want more seo, yeesh.mikotondria3
- clients are idiots.. but youre right. they think somethign is better because there is buzz about itdeathboy
- few realize what it is and how it relates to them. friggen clients. im interested in seeing what adobe does still think it smart to pull resourcesdeathboy
- pull resources since apps the way to go mobile it seems. AS was an advanced js in closed environment w/ gui. Maybe flash will just adapt open environment js stuffdeathboy
- flash will jsut adapt js open environment stuff. I jsut dont want to back track to pre flash daysdeathboy
- Right, that's a great point. AS is just a flavor of JS,..mikotondria3
- instrmntl0
This is a great topic and I think it should be discussed. But honestly, when someone like monospaced chimes in who is a designer for a financial company no less and has no real bearing on the discussion, I find it hard to get a real conversation going. Ben you're great, but you have no bearing in this, nor does most of the people discussing this. It would be great if the people in the industry chatted about it and the repercussions, but in a psuedo designer forum, its kind of pointless.
- instrmntl0
most of the comments here are really regurgitated. If you truly had an understanding about the web, advertising, and the conundrum, then you wouldn't be saying 80% of the stupid shit I've just read.
- instrmntl0
I know we all know about devices, thats great. you have an iphone, a mac, know about design, and maybe know about campaigns. are you working for clients? are you trying to push technology in your job? are you faced with deadlines and real usability issues? i'm not just speaking about the web, which most of you are. if you don't understand, then just shut the fuck up. I love QBN but honestly you all sound like fucking idiots.
- so with 3 comments you also managed to say nothing. well done.eficks
- chrisRG0
the best thing about all these threads: (thanks @fadein11)
"fuck these endless team battles... pc vs mac, html5 vs flash, ios vs android - tedious unproductive bullsh"seriously, when brands became religion something is really wrong!!
- ernexbcn0
@instrmntl if you truly had an understanding about the web, advertising and the conundrum you'd know that cramming the bloated Flash Player plugin into a mobile device like an smartphone was a dead end road, it was 5 years ago and still is.
You'd also know this doesn't affect your industry at all, nobody cared about Flash in a smartphone or at least it hasn't hampered the development of other stuff for mobile devices so far, be it native apps or mobile adapted sites.
- animatedgif0
"Take for example banners. How much easyier is it to animate a banner or simple tasks in flash than javascript"
Does the world need animated banners?
They're fucking boring to design,
boring to build,
expensive,
annoying to users,
waste of battery,
easy to block completely,
and no one fucking clicks on them.
Kill them the fuck off, get rid, and get rid of all the ridiculous industry and NON-JOBS of talentless fucks behind them, traffic managers, project managers and other cunts who sell those rectangular turds, kill it all the fuck off.Have better content on your site and sell tasteful static ads, your users will fucking thank you for it.
- inteliboy0
I fail to see why anyone could argue a plugin is a good thing to have on the web.
- obsolete0
come on....
jobs is dead.... flash is dead.... the internets is deads...
who cares!
flash can export for the ios thingy...
the future will see the demise of the browser... everyone will have "pre-approved" applications....
I guess that it is the path that Jobs paved!
You won't be able to "surf" the web.... I guess that I see a new kind of censorship coming.... the internet won't be a free place anymore!
or am I being a pessimist?
- ORAZAL0
Flash killed the animated gif
- instrmntl0
Hahaha, man I really write stupid shit when I'm drunk at 3am. Apologies to all.
- haha, it's cool. I write it when I'm sober in the day, so you've got that on me....mikotondria3
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- fyoucher10
Re: animatedgif @ banners
No one likes TV commercials, but channels still have them. Why? Because they pay the bills. Clients want them. Same idea behind banner ads. Plain and simple. Advertising. And the online advertising industry is a massive $30 billion dollar a year industry ($12 Billion probably just with the different types of banner ads -- video, rich media, standard, not including the rest of online advertising) and will probably double in a few years. Do you think building websites is that big? Not even close. Obviously, most users of the web don't want ads in their content but most of that content isn't going to exist unless something is getting paid to create it. And a lot of that generated revenue is coming from online advertising. Anything that increases sales for that matter.
@ no one clicks on them:
Getting folks to click on ads would be great but that's not entirely the purpose of them. They also serve to deliver a message or reinforce a brand, or experience.Yeah, there's a ton of shitty ads out there. But there's also quite a bit of good ones. Go to Bannerblog. Lots of great ones there.
Not sure what kinds of ads you've created but I personally have a lot of fun creating ads. They're fun simple quick projects.
To continue on with how this relates to Flash...if it's not going to be done with Flash, it'll be done with a different technology. Do you think anything will be different than how it is today.
