Was it worth it?
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- Mattiadesign
I never supported this war, and reading this article it makes think that even more.
- jamble0
The war was a crock of cack before it started, it was badly executed by the impressively incompetent US Army and remains a total botch job.
Get used to Vietnam II in Iraq because this one is going to run and run.
- TheBlueOne0
War was bonkers to begin with, but don't call the US Army incompetent..or at leas tthey weren't until Shrub sent them on this fool's mission. Still the best fighting force on the planet. It's just bad leadership and no accountability. You can add the US military to another long list of things these idiots have fucked up
- jamble0
Come off it, the best fighting force on the planet?! Alright, they're probably better than the Italian army but lets be fair, that's not saying much.
This is a fighting force with all the weapons, a huge standing army of men, immense technological advantage over anyone they've fought in decades yet they're still getting bogged down wherever they go and shooting down their allies on an alarmingly regular basis.
The war is a mess, it was always going to be and will continue to be.
- TheBlueOne0
Jamble, I won't get into a large argument with you about this, but the conflict in Uraq is not one the US military was designed for. There isn't a singlr theater of operations that the US military can be outfought anywhere in the world except in A) an extended land battle in east asia and b) as an occupying army.
And Bush threw them into something they were not designed for.
No other military comes close to the capabilities and performance at the scale and reach the US can do. Our nation isn't even mobolized, there is no compulsary service. these are all volunteers.
They were just given a shitty job they weren't designed to do.
- lowimpakt0
i hear tesco are introducing a cheap line of war for the late summer season.
- moth0
Still the best fighting force on the planet.
TheBlueOne
(Jul 20 06, 05:36)They've lost the last 3 wars. How is that competent?
- moth0
is not one the US military was designed for.
They were just given a shitty job they weren't designed to do.
TheBlueOne
(Jul 20 06, 05:45)That proves their incompetence really doesn't it?
- TheBlueOne0
They've lost the last 3 wars. How is that competent?
moth
(Jul 20 06, 05:46)They haven't lost them, they haven't won them. And has nothing to do with ability and capability, has to do with leadership and mission scope.
Same thing as a design project. You can have the best designers in the world with the best computers, with fucked up management and micromanaging clients and fail at a project. Same thing.
- TheBlueOne0
That proves their incompetence really doesn't it?
moth
(Jul 20 06, 05:48)I don't know moth, if you were giving a design project and your boss was a moron, gave you tight restrictions, no clear idea of what the end point of the project would be and give you no metrics on how to judge it all, could I call you incompetent if your work was subpar?
- jamble0
It's not worth arguing about in detail as there's a lot to the situation in Iraq but I'm sure I just read a post from you saying that the US Army are the best but only in theatres of war that meet certain criteria?! If these criteria aren't matched then they struggle?
Come on!
So the war on terror can effectively be stopped now as the US Army can't win a war in East Asia where all the terrorists are apparently from?
- normal0
Woohoo. Perhaps other nations have bigger priorities than building the largest, far reaching killing machine they can think of. Like providing universal health care, decent education and working conditions for their citizens.
// And my dad can beat up your dad.
- TheBlueOne0
I just read a post from you saying that the US Army are the best but only in theatres of war that meet certain criteria?! If these criteria aren't matched then they struggle?
Come on!
jamble
(Jul 20 06, 05:50)Exactly. So I take it you haven't read alot of history. You know certain armies are brilliant at some things and shitty at others. Nature of the beast, my man. Armies are resources, they are designed. You design them to fight particular types of enemies in particular conditions.
An extended stint as an occupying force with hostile violent non-state actors is the LAST job the modern US military was designed to do.
- moth0
That proves their incompetence really doesn't it?
moth
(Jul 20 06, 05:48)I don't know moth, if you were giving a design project and your boss was a moron, gave you tight restrictions, no clear idea of what the end point of the project would be and give you no metrics on how to judge it all, could I call you incompetent if your work was subpar?
TheBlueOne
(Jul 20 06, 05:50)War is a bit different to a design consultancy.
There is no place or excuse for incompetence in an Army. If there exists excuses, then there must be incompetence!
- TheBlueOne0
Do some reading and get back to me. I suggest you start here:
- lowimpakt0
this is pretty funny.
- moth0
An Army should expect the unexpected surely?
That's what makes them competent! wow..
- lowimpakt0
including the analogy of the design agency. if you miss a deadline for a logo you don't kill 100, 000 innocent civilians
- TheBlueOne0
War is a bit different to a design consultancy.
There is no place or excuse for incompetence in an Army. If there exists excuses, then there must be incompetence!
moth
(Jul 20 06, 05:55)
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Is it? I don't think so, at least not in approach. There are plenty of places for excuses and incompetence in the military, as there is in any institutional system. Sure you end up dead if that happens, but still plenty of place for it.
- moth0
including the analogy of the design agency. if you miss a deadline for a logo you don't kill 100, 000 innocent civilians
lowimpakt
(Jul 20 06, 05:57)They're lying to me?! Fuckers!!
- TheBlueOne0
An Army should expect the unexpected surely?
That's what makes them competent! wow..
moth
(Jul 20 06, 05:56)
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absolutely. But you can't train to be all things at all times or you are useless. Such endeavors end in failure..