Was it worth it?
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- TheBlueOne0
War is a bit different to a design consultancy.
There is no place or excuse for incompetence in an Army. If there exists excuses, then there must be incompetence!
moth
(Jul 20 06, 05:55)
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Is it? I don't think so, at least not in approach. There are plenty of places for excuses and incompetence in the military, as there is in any institutional system. Sure you end up dead if that happens, but still plenty of place for it.
- xenicon0
maybe someone could translate this into arabic
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lys…
- moth0
including the analogy of the design agency. if you miss a deadline for a logo you don't kill 100, 000 innocent civilians
lowimpakt
(Jul 20 06, 05:57)They're lying to me?! Fuckers!!
- TheBlueOne0
An Army should expect the unexpected surely?
That's what makes them competent! wow..
moth
(Jul 20 06, 05:56)
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absolutely. But you can't train to be all things at all times or you are useless. Such endeavors end in failure..
- moth0
TheBlueOne. You said that they can't do the job.
How does that not make them incompetent ?
- TheBlueOne0
Look, we SHOULD have taken Saddam out in '91. Saddam was a bad guy, but he was OUR bad guy for a while, and then he wasn't, but it was a differnet political era/context. Saddam made many stupid political errors in judgement, and crossing the US was one of them. It was pure power politics.
Morality and politics make strange bedfellows. Open to interpretation and history really. You take your chances as they come up, and they don't always work out. But you got to be smart enouigh to know when to cut your loses, which is something Americans have been horrible at since 1956.
This recent invasion of Iraq had nothing to do with Saddam crossing the US or with WMD's (or very little to do with it). It had to do with factions within the US goerntment/policy beauracracy (read neocons) trying out a new foreign policy doctrine based on half-thought out ideas in the context of a post 9/11 opportunity.
Afghanistan was the right war at the right time in response to 9-11. But that was brushed aside to try and fulfill a policy objective of making the "US the number one superpower" for an indeterminate period of time. Well, we all know about the plans of mice and men...
- TheBlueOne0
Design kills.
- garett_west0
what do you do about it then?
i would suggest you get involved with politics at the local level at the district representatives office. do you even know who your district representative is? have you ever given your time to a candidates political campaign as part of their staff? become an advisor or part of the advisors staff. write a congressman. write your governor.
i'd like to know what you've done, other than i think you said you wrote your governor once, but never said anything about him writing back.
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- jamble0
So in fact I'm the worlds best designer except in fields of illustration, print, photoraphy, backend work and ... ?
- mrdobolina0
this isnt a war. wars have defined combatants and frontlines that can be conquered. this is like mideast wack-a-mole.
- TheBlueOne0
TheBlueOne. You said that they can't do the job.
How does that not make them incompetent ?
moth
(Jul 20 06, 06:00)
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If you send a military to do a police mans job, are they an incompetent fighting force or really bad cops. You tell me.You stick a tennis player on a football field, and then when he doesn't perform do you say he's an incompetent tennis player? No, he just sucks at football...
- TheBlueOne0
But I thik the iraqis had shitty design. We invaded them to improve their creative management teams I think...and to bring them various and sundry fast food franchises. Heck, that almost makes more sense...
- chossy0
If an army is poorly managed and badly guided then it is a bad army.
- moth0
A good Army is like well-formed XML. To adapt, you need just change the CSS and everything will tick all nice like.
The UK Army is like XHTML Strict.
The US Army is like Web 2.0. It's all fucking mouth and nice logo.
- xenicon0
Thus far, the clash has only produced Slave and Master in opposition. But Hegel intends to show how this relationship transforms its two terms. In the first instance the slave is the Other to the master, the Self. The slave makes himself the corporeal body of the master's will - 'your wish is my command'. However, the relationship is unsatisfactory for the master. He has domination over the slave. What he wanted, though, was honour, or recognition of his mastery. The love owed him by his slaves will never satisfy him, because it is not freely given. Furthermore, the master, having made himself master through action has become lazy. Superficially it appears that he calls the shots. But already the slaves are, without realising it, the active parties. Their labour creates all the possibilities available to the court. If they would but realise the fact that they make everything happen, they would shake off the mantle of slave. Then they would cease merely to be the Other, and attain the character of Selves.
- blastofv0
I love how the rest of the world loves to trash our military. It's funny. Give Blue some credit for his honest assessment of our weaknesses though. He's not pulling the 'we'll kick everyone's ass' routine that some Americans blabber on about.
Sounds like everyone in this thread agrees that Iraq is a mess.
- mrdobolina0
what makes you think I havent done these things? just your arrogance getting the best of you or?
- TheBlueOne0
this isnt a war. wars have defined combatants and frontlines that can be conquered. this is like mideast wack-a-mole.
mrdobolina
(Jul 20 06, 06:02)
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I disagree mrd. Thi sis a war - but not one designed for modern military. In modern military terms this is called a fourth generation conflict which is almost a throwback to medieval times and earlier - with tribes and other non-state actors as participants. Such types of warfare are messy and violent and ill-defined.The US military is a force designed to engage other armies of nations and defeat them - a job with which they are still unmatched. Occupying a pissant country with a violent population for a long stretch is exactly what they are not trained to do.
- chossy0
What exactly is the moderen american army designed for exactly?. Getting pumped like in black hawk down etc. etc. that execution of a plan sucked ass big time, can't we just say america has the strongest army but are a bit shit at using it properly ?.
- mrdobolina0
you know what they:
you should never assume.