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- elahon-7
Hold on to your hats, folks...
Reports reveal what officials are being told about COVID-19 ... and it's not what they are telling us
"That last point, laid on top of similar predictions from the Imperial College report, is more than daunting. Both reports are calling for a “lost year,” and then some. A year in which many of the wheels of everyday life grind to a halt. A year in which no one—no one—can determine the economic or societal fallout."
“Supply chain and transportation impacts due to ongoing COVID-19 outbreak will likely result in significant shortages for government, private sector, and individual U.S. consumers.”
- Um, that company chose the name Daily Chaos, let's not spread this horseshit, pls.********
- ^ This.Continuity
- Thanks, China.NBQ00
- Um, that company chose the name Daily Chaos, let's not spread this horseshit, pls.
- SteveJobs-1
To put my previous post in more concrete terms, consider the following admittedly over-simplified and highly unrealistic scenario:
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Ficticious stats
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Out of 10,000 DeathsAges 0-9: 0
Ages 10-19: 0
Ages 20-29: 0
Ages 30-39: 0
Ages 40-49: 20
Ages 50-59: 160
Ages 60-69: 820
Ages 70-79: 4000
Ages 80-89: 5000
---------------------------If this were real-time aggregated data (I wish I could bold, highlight, italicize, and underline that) that was reflective of the world-wide pandemic and if the media and political figures released this data, how might people react/have reacted differently? Do you think that hoarding would be or would have been as much of an issue? Maybe in Florida, but I think people are smart enough to see their chances of survival in such a scenario.
How would it affect this site? Our lives? Sure, we'd take the recommended precautions, particularly those of use closing in on 50, but few would act disproportionately to the situation as we do when we see the following actual stats:
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Actual stats from Johns Hopkins
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Worldwide:
214,010 Cases
8,727 Deaths
83,207 Recoveries
---------------------------Even when broken down by country/state, it's still not enough to get a sense of what's really going on out there. This data isn't consumable or actionable. And the media doesn't do a much better job of painting that picture.
Hope this pains a better picture of what I think would help us all.
- Also, one reason the data is so important is to put it all into context. Solid aggregate numbers along side typical flu numbers would be helpful to people.SteveJobs
- Many have tried that already but based on what is probably highly unreliable data.SteveJobs
- I don't think individuals panicking or hoarding food is the real issue here. It's the total shutdown of the economy, closing of borders...all these extremeyuekit
- measures governments are taking to contain the virus.yuekit
- Yes, and why are they taking those measures? You're right, that's arguably the problem, but not directly. It's the effect, not the cause.SteveJobs
- They are taking those measures because of what they saw happen in China, and what is now happening in Italy.yuekit
- Actually, I take that back. Some of those measures do probably need to be taken, so I actually agree with you. I am thinking more about the public reaction.SteveJobs
- The medical system getting completely overwhelmed to the point of collapse, and hundreds of people dying every day.yuekit
- As to which is worse, you may be right. I haven't given it much thought. But I still feel the dissemination of data is lacking.SteveJobs
- Like I mentioned earlier, the critical data that is missing is knowing how many people are infected in the first place.yuekit
- The USA has no idea at all. So all these drastic policies are being implemented while flying blind.yuekit
- Yeah, you're right. My mind is very one-tracked right now and I spend the last 4 days in bed dealing with the flu so not 100% yet.SteveJobs
- Knowing how many people are infected would be great but we both know that's logistically impossible.SteveJobs
- Not necessarily, the government would just have to get its act together. South Korea is testing 10,000 people a day.yuekit
- Here's hoping..SteveJobs
- I bet 80% of the deaths, they had preexisting (terminal) conditions.robotron3k
- Based on what robotron? That would be good information to spread (or maybe it's already out there?)SteveJobs
- NBQ00-4
I’m curious if we’re overreacting on biblical proportions.
As hard as this sounds, most who die are very elderly people. And of course we should show compassion and solidarity but it’s the young generations who have to clean up all the aftermath. And it could destroy society as we know if this goes on for too long.
This is just a dumb thought maybe, but I’m just curious if we’re causing more harm than good by closing down everything and many people and especially younger people losing jobs and opportunities that may not come back so soon.
- Not to beat my own drum but this is the point of my posts. If we could quantify the situation with better data, we could act/react more intelligently.SteveJobs
- Sounds like something you would hear on Fox News.utopian
- No i don’t want to sound like Fox News. SteveJobs said it well. I‘m just curious if in the end it‘s causing more harm than good.NBQ00
- Yeah, all this seems very rushed. Panic everywhere, people are stupid in general.
Some of us might not even get it but lose their jobs/everything this year.grafician - Look at freelancers - most not insured, low on cash, low on jobs - staying home with nothing to do.grafician
- Any reasonable help from the Gov would only help businesses and the (former) employed population - freelancers are fucked.grafician
- I posted this article earlier, not sure I agree but it makes a pretty well-reasoned case that we *could be overreactingyuekit
- https://www.statnews…yuekit
- and overall younger population - the future is fucked for us, how can we even think about the future at this point?grafician
- no jobs, zero idea of starting a family, fucked up climate/planet, influencers everywhere, I mean, what is going on?!grafician
- Especially the damn influencers, hope they get fucked the most the first. LolNBQ00
- It spreads fast enough to overwhelm out medical facilities, and when that happens you have to start letting people die. You don't seem to realize howzarkonite
- many people should be dead but are being kept alive by the healthcare system. Once those resources are not available anymore lots of people will die of lack ofzarkonite
- access to treatment.zarkonite
- South Korea's "Open Society" policy is starting to back fire with a "second wave" of infections that are going to severely cripple their hospital system.utopian
- robotron3k1
- yikes. They need a CSS professional.instrmntl
- its drag and drop, not css basedtrooperbill
- grafician-2
Ik I said I will not post anymore, but I found this opinion article pretty interesting:
"South Korea Preserved the Open Society and Now Infection Rates are Falling"
https://www.aier.org/article/sou…
Meanwhile, everybody in the West panics, ruin the economy, total collapse of society in under a month.
p.s. Here in Romania we have about 260 cases confirmed publicly - no deaths - and there will be more confirmed in the followings days for sure, but nothing serious - YET the Gov closed the entire country down - only supermarkets & pharmacies open mostly. Most of the cases confirmed and yet to be confirmed are from people who travelled to Italy, Spain, Belgium, Asia recently.
Yet all my young friends are now unemployed, barely making rent this month - for what?
- That‘s what i meant. I‘m curious how this will all affect us with everything closing down.NBQ00
- All freelancers - photographers, stylists, bloggers, writers, journalists, musicians, artists, baristas, PR people, events, video, etc. all unemployed rngrafician
- @NB yeah man, I got you, I upvoted your postgrafician
- But what does SK do differently with their numbers going down despite open society during this time?NBQ00
- Funny South Korea is now going through the "second wave" of infections based on multiple reports, their open society seems to be working well after all.utopian
- https://www.foxbusin…utopian
- https://www.ft.com/c…utopian
- Still only less than 90 cases per day while EU countries are in the 1000‘sNBQ00
- that is 1n 18 hour jump from the day before when the rates were going down.utopian
- 90 new cases for population in the millions?
You need 9k to call it a second wave commongrafician - Even countries that have gotten a handle on it such as South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore will probably see numbers increase now thanks to the negligenceyuekit
- of other countries.yuekit
- They believe in unity and do things as a whole for the betterment of society and their country. Impossible in a huge, divided, individualistic and distrusting_niko
- Like the US where their leader is a clueless carnival barker._niko
- grafician-3
After all this mess, already the Western world closing down, my personal opinion would be that the only measures needed would have been these (but too late now):
- Close the borders - nobody going in/out - zero travelling.
- Anything else, business as usual
- If anybody gets sick, stay at home for 2-3 weeks, all expenses paid by the Gov
- If anybody gets TOO sick, ambulance takes them to a hospital for treatment.That's it.
Yes, maybe 10% of the population gets the virus, you can have 3-5% deaths - as with any calamity anyway - but the economy keeps going, people live their lives accordingly, we fight it of together - not scared, not in panic, doing the best we can.
Sure, we would care more for personal healthcare and for the elderly, but we don't fucking ruin the economy and billions of lives in under 2 months fsake
- But nooo, as we are fucking ruled by idiots.grafician
- Donnie too little too late has fucked our economy from day one with his "it's a hoax" speeches at his rallies and daily Fox News drivel.utopian
- I‘m sure there are experts in the gov‘s and not just dumb idiots. Even though sometimes we think they‘re all morons.NBQ00
- But yes I’m starting to question more and more if this will cause more harm than good.NBQ00
- The economy is a toast, this is the new norm. On a personal note, I just found that I lost nearly 50% of my 401k plan in one week.utopian
- If you guise haven't figured out yet, that this is NOT the flu. This a virus...a virus as the potential of wiping out humankind in the matter of months.utopian
- Oh utopian, wiping out humankind? WTF. The only really dying from it are elderly and some with health issues.NBQ00
- https://www.youtube.…GM278
- Some 80% infected don‘t even know because the symptoms don‘t even show up and they‘re fine. So wiping out humankind hardly.NBQ00
- Just wait until the COVID-19 starts mutating into another strand. that is when the party will really get started.utopian
- Nevermind!
https://en.as.com/en…utopian - @utopian yeah, tell me about it, down 60k rngrafician
- my 401k is fucked, it looks like I'll be working until I'm old enough to catch the Coronavirus.utopian
- @utopian yeah, feels like I got student loan debt but I'm not even American...but fuck it, we'll recovergrafician
- First wave of Spanish Flu only killed the old, 2nd wave didn't discriminate by age.PhanLo
- just lock up the oldies for e couple of weeksArchitectofFate
- Are you telling us what would have worked has we done it a month ago? Thanks, very helpful. Soooo helpful.********
- Yeah well wtf, are we copying a communist fucking country just because they locked up everything?! We are not fucking communists under a authoritarian gov fsakegrafician
- and what's worst? After all this, if anything else remains, we will repeat the same fucking mistakes with the next calamity and carry on.grafician
- This would have overloaded the ability to care for everyone accordingly. That’s why nobody who is an expert shares this opinion.monospaced
- Yeah, then build more hospitals, not close everybody down and ruin the world. Who is gonna pay for all this? With what money?grafician
- It's magic money Grafician. They always find magic money when the banks are in danger.PhanLo
- shapesalad1
Amazing how life can change just because some Chinese people in a city we never heard of before, decided they like to eat bat soup and pangolins steaks.
- I don't think you know who to blame, or what, actually.monospaced
- ^ indeedgonzalle
- Well maybe Nature had too much and decided to fight back -grafician
- Read recently that an ebola outbreak started when some hungry africans cooked a fucking chimpanzee! 80% of their village died. Now they are scared to go out.grafician
- ...go out into the jungle, not to mention fucking cook wild animals. Lesson learned.grafician
- Thank you China!utopian
- Lol, week 3 of shitpostingfadein11
- Well don’t get too liberal. Even if we don’t know the exact source, we do know at least a city in China. It should and could have been contained.shapesalad
- Just like Trump...China will not take any responsibility for nothing.utopian
- Mad cow disease came about from feeding cows to other cows. Nature just says fuck you.PhanLo
- Inbreeding leads to deformity. Look at the UK royal family.PhanLo
- Your bigot logic isn’t real logic. You are making up reasons to hate on China.monospaced
- Continuity1
So, quite apart from QBN's pessimism about what will come next, we have Li Edelkoort's perspective:
'A design trends forecaster calls the coronavirus “an amazing grace for the planet”'
- “an amazing grace for the planet”' ?! really? at what cost?!Krassy
- Bennn2
crazy how we are all living this together LIVE from all around the World. Inter-nets! such awesome! many great! wow!
- allthethings4
EU says pro-Kremlin media trying to sow 'panic and fear' with coronavirus disinformation
https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/18/e…
London/Moscow (CNN Business)Russian state media and pro-Kremlin outlets are waging a disinformation campaign about the coronavirus pandemic to sow "panic and fear" in the West, EU officials have warned in a report seen by CNN.
The European Union's External Action Service, which researches and combats disinformation online, said in an internal report that since January 22 it had recorded nearly 80 cases of disinformation about the Covid-19 outbreak linked to pro-Kremlin media.
"The overarching aim of Kremlin disinformation is to aggravate the public health crisis in Western countries, specifically by undermining public trust in national healthcare systems — thus preventing an effective response to the outbreak," according to the report.
- allthethings0
Reporters have finally moved on from interviewing Trump supporters in Midwest diners, and the results are as you'd expect.
- Fucking hell.Continuity
- 'They call them Generation Z, because they'll be the last.'PhanLo
- CyBrainX0
Watch this instead of the news.
- sted2
Hospitals will face huge challenges coping with the surge of patients. The clinical practitioners on the front lines of China's fight against #COVID19 have developed a handbook of treatment and care protocols for healthcare providers. Share this handbook quickly to hospitals, doctors, nurses and anyone who needs to know around the world:
- robotron3k-18
- sarahfailin0
- Which way do we read this? Columns or rows? What’s the variable between them?shapesalad
- i would be very shocked if 60% of all adults in the US catch the COVIDBennn
- Ramanisky2-2
*Vomit
- utopian-3
Florida Republican becomes first lawmaker to test positive for coronavirus
- utopian-3
- BusterBoy1
So the global mortality rate based on confirmed cases and recorded deaths is now sitting at around 4%. Fuck, that is very high for something so contagious.
- This is why we need more granular data. People need actionable information. Be careful to not focus on the big numbers alone. Same for airline/car crashes, etcSteveJobs
- It’s not that high though.monospaced
- What's not that high? Even if the number of reported cases is twice as many, a 2% mortality rate is bad.BusterBoy
- I’ve heard from experts. I know everyone says that but I really do have the sources. It’s far closer to 1% than we think. 50% or more, won’t be counted at all.monospaced
- And for people 50 and under its close to .01% and that is confirmed.monospaced