Intellectual Dark Web

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  • _niko3

    Man tricked into coma announces new self-help book

    The book, which will be presented as a dozen rules to living a better life, will be written by an author whose daughter tricked him into believing that vegetables are bad for you. Scheduled for release in 2021, assuming the writer isn’t distracted by another tirade on how the Frozen movies are nefarious anti-male propaganda, the new title promises to combine common sense with rambling pseudo-philosophical gibberish.

    https://www.thebeaverton.com/202…

    • I can't wait to read a book written in a coma.fadein11
    • I would say it's funny that people take him seriously if it weren't for the fact that people take him very seriously.garbage
  • yuekit0

    Meanwhile Sam Harris seems to have disassociated himself with the rest of the IDW. Calls them "delusional" and "bonkers" and says they spend too much time criticizing the left while ignoring the actual danger of Trump

    • As always he explains his points very rationally and eloquently. But it's like...no shit. Exactly the critique many of us were making for yearsyuekit
    • For a gang purportedly to be intellectuals, they do seem to among the dumbest motherfuckers on this or any other planet.face_melter
    • lots of very upset pseuds on his twitter timeline recentlyFax_Benson
    • lolfadein11
    • yawnsarahfailin
  • palimpsest0

    I think we should all take a step back. The left should accept the validity of the questions. The IDW should accept how their discourse is a tool for the right.

    • but they don't identify as anything.fadein11
    • lingering floaters for clicks and likesfadein11
    • Much like a rebelious teen. In the end all he wants is to be taken seriously.palimpsest
    • The helicopter parents just want him to turn down the music, it's bothering the neighbors. They just don't get the album, they've only heard one song.palimpsest
  • PhanLo1

    • lol, Zizek is misfiled in the IDW thread. He's an actual intellectual.garbage
  • PhanLo0

    • Find it a bit bizarre that these intellectual heavyweights only found just as many people are addicted to prescription painkillers than illegal drugs.PhanLo
    • I just find it incredibly hilarious that Peterson was strung out on jellies for the past nine years, like some fucking shellsuit ned.face_melter
    • ^Lol.PhanLo
  • 12xu3

    Don't know much about Jordan but this is some dark stuff

    https://twitter.com/RationalDis/…

  • Krassy3

    Jordan Peterson launches anti-censorship site Thinkspot

    https://www.ts.today/

  • Salarrue0


    "It could be his dark view of life, wherever it comes from, that the aggressive group of young men among his followers identify with. They may feel recognized, affirmed, justified and enabled. By validating them he does indeed save them, and little wonder they then fall into line enthusiastically, marching lockstep behind him"
    https://outline.com/Ef7wGR

    • This is two years old and was dealt with about 4 pages back.Morning_star
    • Peterson probably saved a few lives of young men. In the same way believing in jesus has.PhanLo
    • Cheap self help doesn't mean he healed people, is a scam. His current life is proof of thatSalarrue
    • "dark views" Eh? The backlash against Peterson is everything that is wrong with the left...inteliboy
    • the problem is talking or defending absolutes, right and left are not perfect and will never be. I think the lesson is not to worship any false prophet.Salarrue
    • Can't stand Shapiro, though he aint a bad guy, or spouting 'dark views', or part of the alt right. Just a dude with a bunch of opposing views to me. The end.inteliboy
    • I do understand the backlash against Peterson... where it comes form... though it bleeds onto people like Rogan and Sam Harris...inteliboy
    • ...who have the most middle of the road way of thinking about things, running thought experiments, engaging in discourse. But the left pile hate as usual.inteliboy
    • Why does someone need another person to think or build their judgment instead of himself?Salarrue
    • Possibly because nobody is creative in a vacuum. We need new ideas to consider, question, develop analogies with and develop new insights into prior knowledge.monNom
    • "Your" thoughts are just the latest permutation of the global collection of thoughts that we have been refining since forever.monNom
    • @Salarrue. You asked "Why does someone need another person to think or build their judgment instead of himself?" Man, thats a deep, deep question. Besides 10%..Morning_star
    • of the planet being athiest, meaning that 90% look for 'someone' to think for, guide and judge them on a daily basis. I think the answer is, it's human nature..Morning_star
    • Peterson sold 2million+ books, some of which had a valuable impact on the readers lives. I think your dismissal of him is influenced by common...Morning_star
    • ...misconceptions and untruths. Maybe you should ask yourself why your judgement is influenced by others.Morning_star
    • Weekend at Jordie’s_niko
    • flol _nikoNairn
    • In this digital age question everything and trust no oneSalarrue
    • I enjoyed his bookscarabin
    • It wasn’t life changing or anything thoughscarabin
  • PhanLo2


    Alex is coming for Ben. It's going down.

    • pissed off alex is the best alex :)renderedred
    • So.. a heavyweight bout between blowhard morons? The thumbnail is as informative as the content, I'm sure. Pass.garbage
  • Fax_Benson8

    This is interesting and might explain why seemingly rational debate can generate such angry responses.

    I think Harris is an example of someone who innocently uses the 'decoupling-ritual' whereas Peterson, D Murray - even Dawkins - are more likely to use it deliberately and then cite it to distance themselves form the fallout.

    https://unherd.com/2020/02/eugen…

    • good articleGnash
    • the intention behind the decoupling ritual — whether it’s use is innocent or deliberate — doesn’t change the truth of the initial statementGnash
    • The fallout comes from misconceptionsGnash
    • nice read, thanks fax_niko
    • What gnash said. Decoupling isnt a strategy to provoke because concepts are already inherently decoupled. It’s just a way to point that out.cannonball1978
  • PhanLo0

    • yeah illness is really funnyinteliboy
    • Should have just followed the rules. But you can't get the golden fleece without a great adventure.PhanLo
    • looking forward to the sequel "rules for comedowns"kingsteven
    • He's back on the horse again. https://twitter.com/…PhanLo
    • How do we upvote someone nearly dying? What a strange bunch of peopleIanbolton
    • the duality of his message and the circumstances by which he nearly died (and not the fact he nearly died) are funny.kingsteven
    • because contradiction is the basis of what humans call humor. a man writes a book about how to live, and soon after nearly dies.kingsteven
    • https://i.imgur.com/…kingsteven
  • Morning_star0

    Sam Harris & Brett Weinstein talk about some some interesting things, including Free Will. Listen if you want to. Or don't, it's up to you.....or is it :)

    TRIGGER WARNING: I'm pretty certain Jordan Peterson isn't mentioned to any great extent.

  • yuekit7

    I was never a fan of Jordan Peterson but damn...this is a rather grim turn of events.

    https://nationalpost.com/news/jo…

    • Apparently he’s had a serious drug addiction for a long time, went into a coma and now can barely function.yuekit
    • Dear Mr self-help guru, Rule #6 "Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world."Khurram
    • Theres no mention of a comacannonball1978
    • first paragraph: "Jordan Peterson is recovering from a severe addiction to benzodiazepine tranquilizers and was recently near death in an induced coma"PonyBoy
    • Oh i played the video didnt read my badcannonball1978
    • Oh no. Another fucking idiot idol of the alt-right that has fomented discord in my country is on Death's door. Darn. Dang. Shoot.garbage
    • lol here we gocannonball1978
    • alt right? lol. man it's scary how easily opinions of this guy has been skewed by media spin.inteliboy
    • Wasn't his wife really ill with cancer? I think that's how he got on the gear.PhanLo
    • alt right? it's scary that someone that continually preaches anti marxism and modern conservatism calls himself a classic liberal and people believe himkingsteven
    • @kingsteven. Why is it scary? And how is it that you KNOW the truth about what he believes better than he does?Morning_star
    • I wouldn't call him alt right necessarily. Maybe a reactionary social conservative self help guru?yuekit
    • i was just mimicking inteliboys reply to the comment that he's an idol of the alt-right. no one has called him alt-right. he's a centrist who's need forkingsteven
    • promotion has skewed his own beliefs by allowing the right wing (who share his anti hard left beliefs) to promote him.kingsteven
    • ie. someone who aligns themselves liberal, denigrates postmodernism on the left but will cosey up to the trumps on shared political beliefs isn't worth a wank.kingsteven
    • Understood. I catch your drift.Morning_star
    • He's just sick of all these trannies running around getting him to call them he, she, they and whatnot. And you know what?? So am I!!!Khurram
    • A "charlatan" who gives "the most elementary fatherly life-advice" while adding "convolutions to disguise the simplicity of his mind".Khurram
    • Rule #12 "Pet a cat when you encounter one on the street."Khurram
    • That’s crazy, “Russians have the guts to get people off meds where North American doctors treat them with more meds” I can imagine him being restrained by a 300_niko
    • Lb orderly named Olga. “Vhat kind man are you? Stop crying” lol_niko
    • Another rule - "God created Adam & Eve, not Adam & Steve!"Khurram
    • How come women get to show off their toes and men can't??? Then they complain about getting called sweetheart!!!Khurram
    • Lobsters don't take druuuugszBonSeff
    • To be fair I don’t mind him at all, he’s a blowhard a lot of the time but he’s quite entertaining._niko
    • Gotta love the self-righteous schadenfreude :)Gnash
    • People who insult him on a personal level are people incapable of countering his discourse.hotroddy
    • This is very sad. I like prof. Peterson's messages for the most part. I dont agree with everything he says but calling him alt right is just not accurate..eryx
    • Anything that I have watch or listened to has nothing to do with racism or hate. He might be pompous or arrogant at times but tell me guys like Bill Marh aren'teryx
    • He is at times very critical of the left and that is what I like. I hope he makes a fully recovery and gets back into public life.eryx
    • He's a misogynist.BonSeff
    • LolGnash
    • expectedBonSeff
    • He'd take away my rights if he could, so fuck him. Imagine the gall of a drug addict telling people how to behave and structure society.i_monk
    • what rights would he be taking from you? the ability to refer yourself with a feminine pronoun?hotroddy
    • Yeah I hope he turns out OK, but hard to escape the conclusion that the guy was literally high on drugs while lecturing people about morality.yuekit
    • No one called him alt right!kingsteven
    • He should have ate some vegetables.PhanLo
    • JP's message is about language and living in biological reality. He could give two fucks who you marry or put your dick in. Words count to the man...PonyBoy
    • ... he (like many) are fucking tired of folks demanding legislation that does nothing more than accommodate one's feelings cuz someone got your gender wrong.PonyBoy
    • JP is a bore, and his fans are arsehole that use his erratic far spanning, vintage philosophy of the world to reinforce their narrow minded viewskingsteven
    • king—is being against both speech and thought control (to the point of legislation) a 'vintage philosophy'? Do my feelings override your right to free speech?PonyBoy
    • Have you even read any of his work donkeyboi? His "12 Rules for Life" - the work that made him wealthy beyond his wildest dreams.Khurram
    • I slogged through that shite last summer. The most insipid piece of Christian moralising, that I've ever read. Godawful book.Khurram
    • If all he was, was a crusader against identity politcs, ala JK Rowlings or Lionel Shriver, he would have an audience in me.Khurram
    • I'm an old skool feminist and have struggled to accept trans-issues into my politico-ethical framework.Khurram
    • ..as well as safe spaces, "cultural appropriation", micro-agressions - it's all bollocks to me.Khurram
    • But he's more than that. He writes about living a perfect moral life, an "antidote to chaos." I gave him a fair shot, trust me.Khurram
    • It's sad when we react to mental health with mockery and drug addiction is fucking serious and can afflict anyone.Khurram
    • I have ample personal experience with this and I'm completely sympathetic with anyone who goes through this hell.Khurram
    • But somone who gets rich as a self-help guru but fails to live up to the basic tenets of what he proselytises...Khurram
    • A clinical psychologist apparently so utterly naive to the dangers of benzodiazepines...Khurram
    • That's a complete failure of his public image - an image I find very distasteful.Khurram
    • Khurram... that's his own personal morality but he doesn't toss it on you nor does he demand legislation demanding you live by his way of life.PonyBoy
    • So if that means he's going to shut the fuck up now and his fans are going to be without their posterboy. Then great!Khurram
    • If you find his books to be 'insipid' etc... nobody is demanding legislation that you read it. JP can write his books and preach his ways all fucking day long..PonyBoy
    • ... just as those on the complete opposite spectrum can do just the same. That's called free speech. Legislating laws demanding someone...PonyBoy
    • Great point PonyBoy!Khurram
    • ... use specific words merely to protect one's feelings (as your feelings don't override actual biological science) however is BS. And we agree. Yes?PonyBoy
    • And he does have an issue where i put my dick. He's ranted ad nauseum against people choosing to live non-monogamous lifestyles. He can fuck off with that.Khurram
    • Cuz that's all I'm getting at. If you don't like him because he writes books about shit that helped him become who he is—well—don't read his fucking books :)PonyBoy
    • Yes we do agree. Good point!Khurram
    • Khurram... his issue w/where you put your dick isn't up for legislation. Those books you keep mentioning are his own beliefs of which nobody is forced to read.PonyBoy
    • Understanding who he is / what drives him (the shit you read in his books) doesn't dismiss his reasoning that feelings shouldn't override facts / reality.PonyBoy
    • Meaning: Stop trying to legislate labels... else I'm going to demand everyone refer to me as PonyMan from now on (I'd accept DonkeyMan too)PonyBoy
    • @Khurramm can I refer you to 25:33 in a specific youtube video where he reinforces my views... oh wait you trad his book? What about my freedom of speech!kingsteven
    • says a lot about the state of the media where someone as tepid as Peterson can muster up this much opinion. he says some good stuff, some bad stuff. wow!inteliboy
    • He's a misogynist.BonSeff
    • LolGnash
    • Wtf.. self-help, beef diet.. are people normal anymore?maquito
    • I can't understand why people are so triggered by Peterson. He's basically saying the sort of advice your grandpa would give you. Why the vitriol?monNom
    • Unexamined groupthinkGnash
    • If you don't know his affiliation with the alt-right, you don't know much about the history of the alt-right.garbage
    • He was heralded by them as a bastion of braininess around the time of Gamergate. Then he was mildly critical of Trump, and is now self-described as "alt-light"garbage
    • In the end he's an arrogant idiot with a efficient platform to foment hatred and lies to people even less intelligent than him. So yeah, have a nice coffin.garbage
    • Wonder what Ben Shapiro thinks about all this.PhanLo
    • Silly Phanlo. Ben Shapiro isn't capable of thought.garbage
    • Garbage, Why is he an idiot?Morning_star
    • lol. being addicted to jellies was the only vaguely interesting thing about him. fuck him.face_melter
    • You call him alt-right because you were told he is or because he criticizes the left. That doesnt automatically make him rightwing, idiots.cannonball1978
    • lol @facemelter. Intellectual heavyweight, drug taking lightweight.PhanLo
    • Maybe people that paint him alt right forget that he’s Canadian.They feel they need to put him in one of two American ideological buckets._niko
    • At least with all the time off, he'll have plenty of time to tidy his room.PhanLo
    • hotroddy he's on record against my right to marry and adopt. Fuck him.i_monk
    • @morningstar He's a champion of incels everywhere because he's actually argued for "enforced monogamy" because it will keep women in line and men from being badgarbage
    • @cannonball I don't know why I bother responding to you because in this thread I explained why he's no longer a sweetheart of the alt-right.garbage
    • The IDW / alt-light is a band of pseudo intellectuals that came together when they didn't appear to bend the knee to Trump.garbage
    • But they were a valuable asset to the movement 2015-2016 during the election cycle because they were lauded in ways like "Hey this professor said this".garbage
    • And maybe you weren't paying attention, but they were the sweethearts that they felt gave validity to the alt-right movement at the time.garbage
    • So yeah, I'm not on some reactionary "aww he hurt my feelings because somebody told me so" trip. You're misinformed, and have no grasp of political nuance.garbage
    • Correction, Peterson was the one ranting about "enforced monogamy". Off the top of my head, Shapiro has said dumb things like "America wasn't built on slavery".garbage
    • These twats are interchangeable.garbage
    • @ Garbage He has never argued for enforced monogamy, ever. https://www.youtube.…
      So, why is he an idiot?
      Morning_star
    • ^^ you just posted, exactly why he's an idiot. Did you even listen to that?Khurram
    • Sounds like a fucking idiot.Khurram
    • Holy fuck this guys the best. Rants about his objection to enforced gender pronouns but advocates enforced monogamy lol_niko
    • @garbage that's all just stuff you're saying. Your "sweethearts" thing's a streeeeetch, also just something you're saying. Essentially, immaterial shit-talking.cannonball1978
    • Enforced monogamy thing? Not advocating for enforcement by law, but drawing comparison between social norms, effecting how relationship opportunities play out.cannonball1978
    • Look, the guy's work has been always from a principal base of helping people, however you take his "political" positions.cannonball1978
    • But it's really kind of pointless to discuss. You are certain, and ready to shit-talk the point to death with whatever he-said she-said reasons you have.cannonball1978
    • Cannonball and Morningstar lack basic reading comprehension skills: Confirmed.garbage
    • And yes, I will proudly talk shit. Fucking idiots like you have led to political movements that are going to bury this country if left unchecked.garbage
    • #snowflakegarbage
    • Well at least you're aware thats all you are doing.cannonball1978
    • Case in point: you aren't informed about anything pertaining to what is "like me".cannonball1978
    • Garbage, you seem irrationally fearful and emotional with regard to opinions that don't align with yours or you don't understand. Why is that?Morning_star
    • When you have defend him with "he's allowed to say it, you don't have to read it" you've conceded the debate.i_monk
    • They're not even trying to defend him at this point. "Intellectual Dark Web" my arse lolKhurram
    • Why would he need defending?Morning_star
    • Ha, fearful? Sorry that I'm not handling your lack of argument with kid's gloves.garbage
    • I've no issue getting into the weeds with you on this. What would you like to arguing about? Make your point.Morning_star
    • https://www.google.c…cannonball1978
    • (In case people want to have a real discussion)cannonball1978
    • I already have. You obviously can't read. Yawn.garbage
    • By point, Garbage means his own unsubstantiated shit-talking. And Morningstar is referring to whether there are substantiated points.cannonball1978
    • (Which there are none)cannonball1978
    • Um yeah, I totally didn't give you a basic history of the development of the IDW and how they were championed by the alt-right and then dumped because they..garbage
    • ..weren't quite stupid enough. Then you got your feelings hurt because I pointed out that you're being obtuse.garbage
    • Thanks for teaching me that the most boring personality type possible requires thin skin and a thick skull. Yaaaaaaaawn.garbage
    • You're amusing. It would be nice to discuss some of the ideas raised by IDW but you seem to completely miss the point and focus on the person. You're probably..Morning_star
    • ...the type who would take the piss out of Stephen Hawkins disability rather than consider his ideas. I bet you think Einstein had a stupid haircut.Morning_star
    • Thats not "a history" nor was it comprehensive or informed by anything. It was just you saying things as if they were factual instead of some shit-talking.cannonball1978
    • Like, even the yawning is pretty unsophisticated, pal. At some point you have to be an adult and communicate with people who think differently than you.cannonball1978
    • And that requires a discussion where you prove your points instead of trotting out someone else's loose associative arguments about "alt right sweetheart"cannonball1978
    • or whatever. and that would require you to come up with your own ideas. These aren't your ideas. They don't pass the smell test. You could be replaced withcannonball1978
    • pretty much anyone else who uses this "guilty by proxy" reasoning. I know because I've seen this "sweetheart" term deployed elsewhere by others.cannonball1978
    • Just think for yourself, man. And if you disagree, disagree on your own terms, not someone else's. I dont agree with Peterson on some points, but I sure as heckcannonball1978
    • don't try to re-characterize him to better suit my argument or personal political agenda. Especially if the guy has made his lifes work in the name of helpingcannonball1978
    • people, and then is in the middle of some fucked up personal hell.cannonball1978
    • Case in point: I don't necessarily agree that polyamorous relationships fuck up the natural order. But I also know he WASNT advocating for legal enforcement.cannonball1978
    • Serious question: Can you read? I even addressed how the IDW has made an effort to distance themselves from the alt-right after it became a bad look.garbage
    • Nobody said he was saying WE NEED TO MAKE EVERYONE GET MARRIED. It's more that he has a medium to telegraph that idea.garbage
    • His idealism is a time machine to the 50's & 60's. This patriarchy bullshit he preaches is a dead scene. Women are smartBonSeff
    • Sorry if they don't want to fuck youBonSeff
    • I’m sure your doing great
      https://i.imgur.com/…
      Gnash
    • Alright everyone, that's a wrap! Thank you for the dramatic reenactment of the classic Wondermark Sea Lion strip: http://wondermark.co…i_monk
  • colin_s3

    https://www.theguardian.com/tech…

    The terms of service for the new site take an extreme position on free speech. Peterson said: “Once you’re on our platform, we won’t take you down, unless we’re ordered to by a US court of law. That’s basically the idea. So we’re trying to make an anti-censorship platform.”

    lolllllll

    • i don't get why this is funny. where's the punchline?Gnash
    • 'Rightwing academic'
      Peterson doesn't identify as rightwing therefore #fakenews.
      deadsperm
    • I concur. Explain yourself, laughing boy.Morning_star
    • because it's thoroughly ridiculous to associate thoughtful debate with something the government is going to take downcolin_s
    • unless your goal is to provoke reaction and generate more of the clickbait / trigger economy than have sustained discourse (which is his fallback)colin_s
    • you're so right. so much better discourse when rando autistic unicorns can woke-tweet a shut down.Gnash
    • Benjamin, the guy so censored he got to have a public, cross-platform discussion about raping an MP while standing for election to the EUFax_Benson
    • The problem with this idea is that there isn't actually a huge amount of censorship on the major social media sites. 99% of users are never going to noticeyuekit
    • anything missing and so they'll be no reason to give up the better user experience and content of the main site just for some abstract principle.yuekit
    • The "anti censorship" site therefore ends up attracting only the extreme fringe, which in practice means it becomes a haven for neo-Nazis and the far right.yuekit
    • At least, that's what happened with Voat and Gab, which were both based around a similar concept.yuekit
    • yuekit gets it. it's a PR campaign trying to attract trolls and brand their anger as intellectualism. it's just marketing for self-righteous foolishnesscolin_s
    • the kind of people actually offended by Peterson are offended by everything. The people who just don't think what he's peddling amounts to muchFax_Benson
    • don't want to censor him.Fax_Benson
    • yuekit & colin s sitting in a tree, K_I_S_S....Morning_star
    • i still don't get why it's funnyGnash
    • @gnash because it's so pathetically transparent and self-importantcolin_s
    • If you don't like something... don't engage with it. Life is simple.robthelad
    • @colin_s i'd understand your position if there wasn't buckets of content out there that gives a little more explanation, nuance and resolution to the issue....Morning_star
    • ...that 'the cunt' is trying to overcome. You need to dig a little deeper rather than regurgitate uninformed view.Morning_star
    • Fighting censorship is a worthy goal, on the other hand Jordan Peterson and Dave Rubin launching a site called “Thinkspot” based around having deep conversationyuekit
    • sounds like something out of a Spinal Tap style movie ;)yuekit
    • If and when an uncensorable social media platform takes off it will be because it’s good in its own right, not because it’s marketed as such IMHO.yuekit
    • I agree Yuekit but I think there's a bigger issue that they're trying to address. That is, how you monetise platforms that aren't attractive to advertisers...Morning_star
    • ...Patreon was potentially a great way but they've got all 'holier than though' with regard to it's users.Morning_star
    • Not into Petersons pseudo-mystic religious stuff, but the rest is more thoughtful than the regurgitated progressive takedown talking points that lead to "lolll"cannonball1978
    • Petterson is cashing good money over his fansSalarrue
    • Not too difficult to build an independent crowd funding site. I think there was even one called "Hatreon" that was intended for unpopular viewpoints :)yuekit
    • The challenge is always going to be...how do you ensure total free speech ON the platform that is also the most popular?yuekit
    • I’m not sure how encouraging freedom of speech encourages people to be nice. Build a platform that encourages positivity, and intellectual thought.Ianbolton
    • A bit like this https://t.co/OHhriB5…Ianbolton
    • why is the goal that people have to be nicecannonball1978
    • I’m saying encouragement of positive discussion is desirable. Think about your language. So-called freedom only encourages people to say WHATEVER they wantIanbolton
    • I think we know we have certain levels of freedom of speech already just encourage a more meaningful dialogue.Ianbolton
  • inteliboy3

    Stopped listening to all this IDW stuff (except for Sam Harris).

    Every single time I dive back in on some podcast or youtube clip, it's always the same tired bullshit of complaining about the 'radical left'. All they do is whine on and on about the same shit. Get over it.

    The world is run by the right. Not by sjw's.

    • yes true to a good extent. id say government and policy is driven by the right. culture is run by sjws.cannonball1978
    • Don't label them bro! They identify as politically non-binary, they're just exploring ideas. Let them live their truth.deadsperm
    • he didn't label them.fadein11
    • *cringedeadsperm
    • lol, sorry.fadein11
  • deadsperm-1

    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/ne…
    The City of Boston can't stop a much-debated "Straight Pride Parade" from taking place this summer just because people disagree with the organizers' cause, Boston Mayor Marty Walsh said Thursday.

    • why is this in this thread?Morning_star
    • Freedom of Expression fighting Cultural Marxism, that's why.deadsperm
    • And they're just exploring ideas.deadsperm
  • renderedred0

    • "nothing is random"renderedred
    • why is this in this thread?Morning_star
    • they're missing something right in the middle of this chart.
      weed.
      _niko
    • @Morning_star
      Because it's exploring ideas.
      deadsperm
    • infographics / the more you know threadsarahfailin
    • is this an "all conspiracy theories in one place" poster?Krassy
    • #supnumbersguyjaylarson
    • no dickbutt?teh
    • Whats a Whtie Rabbit?toemaas
    • shouldnt this be in the conspiracy thread?inteliboy
    • @teh +1Krassy
    • @toemaas "everything has meaning"renderedred
    • "thinkspot is a collaborative community where individuals can explore and exchange ideas"
      #exploringideas
      deadsperm
  • colin_s1

    peterson is a cunt

    • socialism is cancerMorning_star
    • haha. A lot of hate in this thread. And i think young Colin here hates a lot of things. Chill man. Take some acid and try sucking your own dickIanbolton
    • fuckinglol, ianNairn
    • Go on then, It is Friday after all.Morning_star
    • peterson is a cunt though. it's a shame as he may have a poin.... nope! i jest, he's full of shit too, and sounds like kermit the frog.kingsteven
    • there is just nothing controversial about what he goes on about. I find it so amusing how triggered people get by himGnash
    • He does have a voice like Kermit, and we all know how that green amphibious prick is a Jew hating nazi. The clues are there if you’re a delusional socialist.Morning_star
    • he's a cliff notes version of right-leaning philosophy for people that enjoy the idea of ayn rand without actually considering the world at largecolin_s
    • he's representative of western individualism and pseudo-intellectual debate for the self-serving. also, i'm not a socialist there morningstar.colin_s
    • Individual thinking (taking care of 'you and yours' first) is better for the 'world at large' than trying to create a' one size fits all' method IMHOPonyBoy
    • :)fadein11
    • i suppose there are two types.
      'we're all in the boat together' &
      'I've got mine, fuck you'

      personally, i think we're all in the boat together.
      exador1
    • Jesus colin shut up. Peterson isnt right or left and hes not threatening whatever garbage you follow.cannonball1978
    • @exador1 you say that like: those are the only two choices we have in every part of our lives; and once you choose one, you can't choose the other.Morning_star
    • nope.
      i say that as someone that has reached middle age, raised to kids and has seen a thing or two.
      exador1
    • and I've noticed
      a) there are those that think we can all work together to make things better.
      exador1
    • and
      b) those that don't.
      exador1
    • my guess is that if you think 'socialism is a cancer' you know which section you belong in.exador1
    • i inhabit both a) and b) and neither. i too have raised two kids, travelled the globe and i'm the wrong side of 40 and i don't think socialism is cancer but...Morning_star
    • ...it can be. The social hierarchy we live in would suggest it's perfectly acceptable to put your own children first before others. Does that mean i'm in...Morning_star
    • ...category b) for every decision i make? No.Morning_star
    • @canonball i said he's representative of. libertarians are right-leaning and i'd say he's closest to that, and he hates leftist ideas... so, seems right-leaningcolin_s
    • @ponyboy i think that that when systems are designed to divide people they end up with significantly disparate pools of despair among the peoplecolin_s
    • to which the only commonality between people is their anxiety but no fix can be agreed upon because of such radical divisionscolin_s
    • XanaxMorning_star
    • @colin libertarianism is not right leaning. Libertarianism is anarchy with a market, so less, neither left or right. Disabuse yourself of polarized thinking.cannonball1978
    • @cannon, to my mind markets without regulation are inherently right-leaning, empowering accumulated wealth, "wild west" type psychologiescolin_s
    • anarchy is the concept we would all be just and good to one another, forming a society that would benefit all without the need for a state; trade, not marketscolin_s
    • and that the community, not the individual, would be responsible for any necessary acts toward justice and the betterment of allcolin_s
    • libertarianism (as practiced today) is right leaning! and is as mutually exclusive from anarchism as objectivism is of altruism. i can take the 'socialism iskingsteven
    • cancer' shite in that it's inevitable as it runs against the libertarian status quo. i don't get how folks don't see that sanders 'market socialism' is not thatkingsteven
    • as i don't get 'left wing = cultural marxism = pronouns' or 'anarchism = individualism' that's not how it works, just don't be a cunt and we might all make it.kingsteven
    • Colin anarchy does not subscribe necessarily to any of the things you said it does.cannonball1978
    • Libertarianism’s old name was “corporate anarchy”, so yes, it is precisely a flavor of anarchy.cannonball1978
    • This is getting off track though. I havent seen Peterson say he is a libertarian (or anything) anywhere.cannonball1978
    • when was group thinking ever good? groups teach you not to question. groups teach you to conformhotroddy
    • science and western progress was built on a few individuals who were not afraid to questionhotroddy
    • peterson is so good at challenging your SJW thoughts that all you can do is call him a cunt.hotroddy
    • market anarchism is not anarchism as market socialism is not socialism. fully developed anarchism is free association: social anarchism.kingsteven
    • i'm not SJW in the slightest. a bit on the anarchist marxist side i'll admit but riled by many of the same issues... i just don't like Petersonkingsteven
    • a few of these cunts I don't mind irregardless of him possibly being a nazi harris's, neuroscience based meditation stuff is great.kingsteven
    • where i'd draw a line on SJWs i'd also generally draw a line on reactionary right/ conservative activism thats at the core of peterson/ IDW movement.kingsteven
    • it might be necessary to a degree to stop chunks of leftist postmodern philosophy, but trump is postmodernist. peterson's 'cultural marxism' frames the left forkingsteven
    • something that exists in the extremities of both sides. meanwhile defence of the individual is mostly in face of the attack proposed by the left on the 'dollarkingsteven
    • hunting man' like individual wealth / market libertarianism is the only thing to defend...kingsteven
    • when the real front-line of trans activism/ SJW movement is the battle with old school leftist feminism. IDW is a side show.kingsteven
    • Wtf is an “anarchist marxist side”. Anarchy is the government of the self, not the group. Therefore it is not left or right. It does away with that moronic modecannonball1978
    • it's not that hard... communism without the state, or libertarianism without private ownership of the means of production... take your pick.kingsteven
    • That sounds a recipe for lots of dead people. Any examples of how this has worked in practice?Morning_star
    • Theres no communism without a state. That’s just called being a neighbor thats not an asshole.cannonball1978
    • ha, have you even heard of marx? don't believe it's ever been used in practice (outside business and being the basic principle of open source development)kingsteven
    • it's a well theorised post-capitalist utopia. the assumption being that capitalism will take us to the brink and technology will remove the need for the state.kingsteven
    • i'm not a communist btw :-D but i see these reactionary blows to marxism from folks that are essentially free-market anarchists all the time.kingsteven
    • to get back to the topic... how can you defend peterson's linking between postmodernism and 'cultural marxism' via trans activism? other thankingsteven
    • right wing, conservative, anti-revolutionary, ideological protectionism... IDW is a late capitalist panic-mode side show.kingsteven
    • I don't think you've listened to Peterson/IDW at all. I think you carry a huge sack of sensational misconception and bias with regard to what's being said....Morning_star
    • ...Could you shed some light on what 'via trans activism' alludes to?Morning_star
    • Peterson was forced to stop teaching at university of toronto (and launched his speaking career off the back of) criticising the adoption of gender pronounskingsteven
    • which would be a terrible thing (as it is in the case of Bret Weinstein/ Evergreen) if he didn't come across as an absolute cunt.kingsteven
    • You know nothing. He criticised compelled speech. You know, the law dictating what a person utters. The fact that it was legislation about gender pronouns...Morning_star
    • I agree MS, i'm picking and choosing from his vast repertoire. There's just there's plenty of folks making the same points while not being cunts.kingsteven
    • ...is largely irrelevant.Morning_star
    • Have a listen from 21:35
      https://youtu.be/aMc…
      Morning_star
    • he's still a full professor at UofTGnash
    • Yes, but he hasn't taught in a couple of years. He criticised compelled speech, but he launched his speaking career because of the media controversy of hiskingsteven
    • disputes with trans activists. I'm not sure what your getting at with posting that video, I've seen it before and many others...kingsteven
    • he talks about the authoritarianism and group identity politics of the far left and compares trans activists to Mao. which IS fucking ridiculous...kingsteven
    • comparing a bunch of reactionary students, a murderous communist regime and marx... i've seen him squirm out of his defence of this argument a bunch of times...kingsteven
    • the only commonality in his work I can find is that it appeals to the mentality of his supporters, engaging them with logical responses to their existing biaseskingsteven
    • directing them away from revolutionary thought to the center right/ conservatism.kingsteven
    • (as much as you may like the sound of it, he wasn't "forced" to stop teaching)Gnash
    • I'm STILL not sure how he's actually a cunt. That's a pretty sharp term to use on someone who's tried to be an encouragement for peopleIanbolton
    • He was forced, in that I think he would have liked to continue lecturing.kingsteven
    • he's chosen to milk his new-found fame and lecture to wider audience. Saying that he was "forced" suggested that the he had no choice. which isn't at all trueGnash
    • for now, he choosing not to waste his time lecturing to a small group of ass-hats who think pulling fire-alarms is an appropriate way to get ones' point acrossGnash
    • where did you read this? he can't lecture and would have been fired if not for tenure. i believe he has said so himself.kingsteven
    • i watched the whole thing evolve from a local news story (i live in toronto) to what's it's become now.Gnash
    • besides, a lot more reasonable commentators on extremist activists have been fired for less. i think you're giving him the benefit of the doubt!kingsteven
    • I'm sure UofT would love to shed themselves of the controversy, and I'm sure they are thrilled that he's touring instead of teaching there.Gnash
    • the school knows that trying to stop him from teaching would spark a shit-storm of neg publicityGnash
    • they know they don't really a have a leg to stand on to fire him, and either way it goes they lose.Gnash
    • well, that's meant to be the point of having tenure after all... but it doesn't give him the right to teach there. i'd also say peterson wouldn't want to bringkingsteven
    • the academic system in to further disrepute by challenging the faculty further and getting fired.kingsteven
    • What disrepute has Peterson caused Academia or UofT?Morning_star
    • (he can absolutely teach there is he choses to, though.)Gnash
    • referring to the disrepute the system is in by harbouring the sort of hyper moralisation/ laundering of extremist identity politics that he spoke out against inkingsteven
    • the first place, if he turned up to give a lecture with armed guards only to cause a riot it's not going to look good for anyone.kingsteven
    • i'd have to say i'm very weary of public intellectual blueprint in general but you don't see Dawkins writing books about 'happiness', i just don't trust that...kingsteven
    • it's like he saw harris picking up steam going from atheism to neuroscience backed meditation (while being a bit racist)kingsteven
    • and thought "i've got a platform now", "i'll teach the world how to be a canadian conservative." :-Dkingsteven
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    • This thread has been suspiciously quiet ever since the debate. *Googles Hegel*
      Fucking LOL.
      deadsperm
    • i've been avoiding watching it. I just know it'll be painfulGnash
    • the debate, not this clip
      <<
      Gnash
    • I've only watched post-game analysis clips. Some of the left are still complaining, Peterson fans cling to the civil discourse narrative.deadsperm
    • What I've most enjoyed were the memes pointing out how unprepared and out his league Peterson was.deadsperm
    • I'd have continued to join in, but my comments come pre-canned.see_thru
    • just watched the whole debate, poor jordan out of his league :)renderedred
    • Hmmm I finally watched this. Didn't seem like much of a debate to be honest. Peterson gave a very standard critique of communism. Zizek did one of hisyuekit
    • talks where he throws out a million different ideas at once, making Peterson look simple-minded by comparison. But there wasn't much real interaction, they wereyuekit
    • on two different tracks the whole time.yuekit
    • @yuekit, i don't know if the organizers or peterson himself thought that zizek will defend marxism. zizek is NOT a marxist and that's where all fell apart imhorenderedred
    • I think Zizek does draw on Marx's ideas to some extent but it's a very post-modern take on them -- being fully critical of 20th century communism and mergingyuekit
    • with other ideas. That's my understanding anyway based on attempting to read a couple of his books :)yuekit
    • I'd say what he takes from Marx is more the mode of analysis rather than adhering to any particular "socialist" economic system. You can easily use a Marxistyuekit
    • framework to critique all the past attempts at Marxism. But yeah didn't seem like Peterson had watched or read any of his works.yuekit
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