Canada vote 2011
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- i_monk0
Reasons not to vote for the Cons:
• In-and-out electoral fraud
• Contempt of Parliament (a first in the entire Commonwealth!)
• Loss of UN seat due to constant change in foreign ministers
• Putting the G20 in downtown Toronto, costing hundreds of businesses millions of dollars and leading to over a thousand arrests in the greatest violation of civil rights in Canadian history
• Making the G20 the most expensive in the history of the conference, at over $1 billion in taxpayer's money
• Flip-flopping on Senate reform; he campaigned on making it an elected body, or getting rid of it entirely, but now stocks it with Conservative patsies
• Changing the name of Canada's government to "The Harper Government"
• Winning Canada the "Fossil of the Day" award for undermining the Kyoto Protocols at Cancun
• Supporting Mubarak
• Killing funding for climate research and then leasing out science ships to scout for oil
• Constantly shuffling his cabinet, particularly when an MP speaks to the press, so nobody is really in charge or an expert in anything they're tasked with
• Refusing to talk to the press gallery – democracy requires an informed populace
• Proroguing parliament so he could go to the Olympics and shut down the Afghanistan torture issue
- ross0
i wouldnt vote for harper if you gave me $1000.
- zarkonite0
"Killing funding for climate research and then leasing out science ships to scout for oil"
got a source on that? I love it but I can't find anything about it.
- This WAS the link, not sure what became of the story: http://www.vancouver…i_monk
- zarkonite0
Aldebaran: when you say that "French culture [is] unique. But that doesn't mean it can't be part of Canada or needs to separate to maintain that heritage."
Absolutely, but it would be a lot easier to keep the culture vibrant and evolving if we didn't have to fight off Canadian policies that are deconstructing the culture. It's that type of empty argument that makes it hard to convince people that Canada is a good option, you guys just think that speaking the language is enough... and quite frankly that's such a simplistic pov that it's insulting.
- canuck0
"This is now the fourth federal election in seven years. I can’t think of a more useless, counterproductive electoral race than the one we’re having right now. It will change nothing, it will cost us hundreds of millions of dollars and it will result in no significant policy change."
^ agree with this journalist.
- http://www.winnipegs…canuck
- I'm on board with this.Andrew_D
- Yep. Another minority government and likely yet ANOTHER election in a couple years. :(ETM
- Unless you vote for a Conservative majority, which would be the best possible out come.spot13
- canuck0
"Why not wait until next year’s fixed election date? We had, by law, a scheduled election date set for Oct. 15, 2012. Why not wait until then, save taxpayers $300 million and take the whole “coalition with the separatists” dynamic out of the equation?"
Pulling an election in 30 days is silly. Doesn't give anytime to look into any of the party policies. At least when you have a set date in the future you can mull over your options allow the candidates to speak, have an actual game plan laid out. Fuck it I won't vote in this election. Was uncalled for. waste of money. Makes me mad at all the parties involved; not putting the citizens best interests at heart at all. Seems all party ego related.
- Not voting seems silly, you should exercise your right to vote. Vote Green like me if you want to waste a vote. ;-)Andrew_D
- Elections are always held too quickly. Never enough time to make as informed a decision as liked.ETM
- Actually i'd sooner not vote. Then they can see how many people actually gave a shit. Will be less than 50% for surecanuck
- Kinda sad, though, isn't it? Rather indicative of our neighbours to the South.Andrew_D
- We used to get over %60 voter turnout.Andrew_D
- 75% back in 1988 that article above mentioned.canuck
- That's incredible and a reason why you should vote. You're canuck after all, even if you were born a Scouse Bastard.;-)Andrew_D
- ETM0
With the overall unappealing choices in leaders, I wish we could choose the party leaders (more U.S. style) than have the party decide it themselves.
- ++zarkonite
- what does this accomplish though? totally unrepresentative and disinterested local leaders.********
- We're not looking for a local leader. We're looking for a national one.ETM
- your PM is appointed.********
- *facepalmETM
- this accomplishes nothing unless you are a member of the party********
- You think you should be able to vote for the leaders of every single party?********
- *facepalmETM
- zarkonite0
@ETM: they guy thinks that Quebec can keep its culture while being part of Canada... even goes as far as saying we should compromise on some of it.
I just want to understand what he defines as culture? as far as I can tell, to most Canadians, it's just a question of speaking french... which is wrong. So I'm asking are Canadians just ANOTHER American accent or do they feel like they are different in other ways? and if so, how come those differences apply to them but not so much for Quebec when they talk about separating.
So no, not an asinine comment at all.
- I assure you that english speaking Canadians do not feel that were are Americans.ETM
- Your profile says 'out west' so if you that is true, then you should know that well enough.ETM
- I know they don't, but there's a double standard here between how Canucks judge themselves and how they judge Quebec as a culture.zarkonite
- Continuity0
Can we stop it with the 'French culture' thing? There's next to no cultural similarity with France in Quebec, seriously. Start calling it 'Quebec culture' and leave French out of the equation entirely, please.
- Andrew_D0
Zarko, what does being Québécois mean to you?
- ********0
I don't think the discussion about french canada should be about culture but more about politics. Politically speaking french and english canada are under the same roof, they are the same people. Canada and USA are similar culturally but distinct politically, thats what matters in nationhood. But tell that to Harper he doesn't think Canada should remain distinct politically because he is globalist puppet as he proved over the last few years.
- zarkonite0
Andrew_D: it defines where I'm from... I think of it as my background.
- Yeah, but what is that? Are there specifics?Andrew_D
- I don't believe Quebec is any more different from the rest of canada than say BC, Ab and On are.zarkonite
- jesus dude, that's going to take all day =)zarkonite
- ;-) For the record, I think my peep's in Quebec are very unique, I was just wondering what they felt that was.Andrew_D
- and I'd rather you fuckers stay in Canada and be a voice than strike off on your own. ;-)Andrew_D
- well, I live in Calgary right now so no chance of me going out with them =)zarkonite
- Oh man, you must love being in that Conservative hotbed! ;-)Andrew_D
- Fanco0
i've herd a few people say voting NDP or Green is a waste of a vote and that is totally wrong.
Every vote a party gets, they receive 1.75$ from Elections Canada to help fund for the next election. (you need a certain amount of votes to qualify for this fund.)
By voting for them, even if you know they won't win, gives them a fighting chance next turn around.This funding is essential to encourage smaller political parties like the NDP or Green party to survive during elections. And guess what, the Tories want to eliminate this. They also want to eliminate the donation limit from private citizens to 5000$. (in other words, rich people)
This would assure they would be the ONLY party to be able to execute a national campaign. Cutting all the funding to the Liberals, NDP and Green Party... because face it. Very few corporations and wealthy citizens donate to those parties.
- http://www.cbc.ca/ne…Fanco
- <Continuity
- CANUCK! You see this?Andrew_D
- I don't really care for the ndp. to be honest.canuck
- ********0
Quebec is a unique culture like Nunavut is a unique culture like Newfoundland is a unique culture like British Columbia is a unique culture.
The difference being that the Quebecois political elite have found a way to exploit this and turn it into a method in which they can extract money from other provinces.
- zarkonite0
@ThePublics The differences are no greater in Quebec than they are from place to place in the rest of Canada, I agree.
Learn your history of Canada and you will understand why there's such a strong backlash coming from Quebec.
IE: Durham report
"Durham recommended that Upper and Lower Canada be united into one province, which would give British Canadians a slight advantage in population. He also encouraged immigration to Canada from Britain, to overwhelm the existing numbers of French Canadians with the hope of assimilating them into British culture.[1] The freedoms granted to the French Canadians under the Royal Proclamation of 1763 and the Quebec Act of 1774 should also be rescinded; according to Lord Durham this would eliminate the possibility of future rebellions. The French Canadians did not necessarily have to give up their religion and language entirely, but it could not be protected at the expense of what Durham considered a more progressive British culture."
Canada was created to assimilate and eliminate french culture from the british colonies.
and now regarding the money issue... you do realize that Quebec and Ontario have been paying for everything since the beginning of Canada? and it's just recently that our welfare gobbling neighbours found some oil and decided not to share the profits. How about some paypack from Newfoundland who was bribbed into Canada and maintained alive with QC/ON money for 70+ years? How about Alberta stops complaining about having to pay perequation when the entire province, it's settlement and infrastructures were entirely paid for by QC/ON. And what the hell has new brunswick and nova scotia contributed to get a free pass? they over fished and killed their only source of revenue and now what? I'm supposed to pay them to stay alive.
It's the same shit everywhere, entitlement wall to wall... Quebec's just a little louder, it's in our culture =)
- : Dntimm
- stop insulting the maritimes. I remember Harpers 'culture of defeatism' comment about Atlantic canada and it seems like you are echoing that attitude intentionally or notlodef
- ...you are reflecting that attitude. Intentionally or not I don't know.lodef
- How am I insulting the maritimes more than the rest of canada?!?!?! cmon.zarkonite
- 'they over fished and killed their only source of revenue and now what? I'm supposed to pay them to stay alive.'lodef
- half of atlantic canada have no choice but to work in alberta or ontario so i'm pretty sure they are paying for themselves to stay alive ;]lodef
- ...stay alive. ;]lodef
- lodef: then why are they getting ore perequation than all other provinces combined?zarkonite
- lodef0
someone convince me who I should vote for... GO
- don't let people convince you, find out for yourselfaldebaran
- thats no fun though.lodef
- new cbc tool works well... http://www.cbc.ca/ne…horton
- aldebaran0
This separatism talk is so politically naive it's comical.
- ben_0
It's really hard to decide, I'm not going to lie. There was a time when I truly believed my vote meant something, lately I've been a bit underwhelmed by people stepping up to the plate, thank god Harper is out though, big relief.
