ban gay marriage
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- digitalswarm0
buddylee, you and scarabin are sooo gay
- ********0
can i be the flowah girl?
- hellraising0
wow, maybe this is going to be the big issue of the upcomming elections...
Lord knows we have nothing else to worry about.
- EMGEE330
Let em eat cake.
- sexypixel0
3 words
bible belt votes.
- jevad0
innit
- rasko40
I haven't read this thread at all but I think that gay marriage is not the way.
Let me explain; I think that marriage is a dated thing in itself and should be reconsidered in its entirety.
Although I was raised in a religious household by the age of 14 I knew that this religion was not for me, I have never and will never subscribe to any prescribed indoctrination.
This is what leads me to consider marriage to be in need of updating, 99% of people I know that have got married are not religious people, they do not go to church, nor shrine, nor temple. All however wish to express their love for their chosen one and want it to be recognised by friends, society and the law.
Why should gay people be expected to have any less? They shouldn't, and they shouldn't be expected to have to beg to these man made religions in order to do so, it is archaic and wrong.
They should be allowed to live in whatever way, shape or form they wish as per we (heterosexuals) do, and be respected by the law as loving couples rather than shunned into some corner of undiservedness as many mainstreamers would have it.
Fuck that.
These days few people are religious and yet they insist on using and abusing these religious tenets for their own purpose, personally, I see no value in it.
- kodap0
completely agree, rasko.
- lowimpakt0
I totally agree with what you say but I wouldnt say no to gay marriage. I think that the 'christian' religious tenet has been abused and modified to suit peoples lifestyles for such a long time that it really means little anymore. Plenty of people who want to live together do so without getting married (me and my gf) but there are many gay people who are religious and want to be recognised in the eyes of God, not just the state, and the church should (and it quite often does) allow that.
- pascii0
when i see how hetero marriages turn sometimes - and what hetero parents do...
- pascii0
same rights for homosexual couples and hetero couples!
- mbr0
If we want to re evaluate the necessity of marraige then the first thing we need to do is get rid of Debeers. I mean, talk about a monopolistic company that fuels the fire!! 2 Months pay for a ring!? That's the problem!! Pure consumerism!! Although, I'll admit, some of the adds are pretty slick.
My folks have thin gold bands, no diamonds, and they've never thought of getting something better. Not that they can't afford it, but they see it as frivolous - they don't need it to know they love each other. Now that's what it's supposed to be about.
Here's an idea: why don't people apply for them? And while we are at it, people should prove they can be fit for parenting, too. Our world is too crowded for abusive, selfish parents. Surely most gay couples would be better than the average American family for raising children! At least they would not take it for granted.
We just have to stop Bush and his extremism. If we get him out now, we can reverse all this crap, if not, this country will be torn in two like never before.
- arinya0
....*sigh* lowimpakt, religious gay people should read the bible. Religion, although it has become painfully corrupt, they did not make up the moral pattern that God has put forth. I agree religion has been oppressive and misguiding. So forget the "Christian Religious Tenet" and go right to the source. See what is says. 1 Cor. 6:9, 10. Any seriously spiritual man or woman has to acknowledge this.
- monkeyshine0
1 Cor. 6:9 and most other passages in question refer to men so I guess lesbians are alright by God.
...and as you know, those passages have been and will be debated forever with no clear resolution. Conservatives interpret one way. Liberals another.
- arinya0
LOL! So where does it go grey in that pretty straight forward passage?
- monkeyshine0
maybe you should go study some theology if you are unclear of the questions posed by different interpretations.
People act like God himself wrote these passages but it was Paul who wrote this. Conservatives tend to believe in a literal translation and that Paul was inspired by God. Nevertheless, these are Paul's words, not Gods. And the words themselves are open to interpretation.
- lowimpakt0
another bloody fundamentalist
- lowimpakt0
*sigh*
- monkeyshine0
and another thing... fundamentalists have twisted religion around so much for their own gain that the beauty and meaning of the bible is all but butchered.
How do you know Paul isn't referring to child prostitution? There's a school of thought that believes he's not talking about homosexuality at all, but sexual abuse.
Go read a book, think for yourself, and stop listening to some fundamentalist with an agenda.
- arinya0
Well that is only a very straight forward passage. There are several occassion that homosexuality is mentioned in the scriptures. Like in the book of Kings where male prostitutes where cleared out of the temples. In the letter to Romans you have also that is talks about disgraceful sexual appetites and how even the females changed the natural natural use of themselves.
And as far as who wrote it I think you answered that one yourself. These are Paul's words inspired by God. God being the author and Paul the tool which to put it on paper. It's obvious that it was not his personal opinion because those same feelings are expressed through out the entire bible.