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- ********0
your way of liquid, way off. Your not worth the time actually. Have fun! :)
- ********0
well, the fact that you like to degenerate design to lower-levels you should not expect to be paid more then 3k after all.
and it did not compare, it was an example that came to mind.
putting a heart upside down in the body is wrong and would most likely be fatal, but implementing poor design and asking more then it would probably deserve is also wrong, but, i agree, probably not fatal.
but the comparison you can make is:
surgeons are experts in their field and are paid for their skills, so are designers.
And obviously, you may call yourself a webdesigner, but, apparently, you need to go a long way before you can call yourself a graphic designer.
- unknown0
looks thrown together, and borowed. No originality.
The work alone though is definately worth 1000.
even though it is pretty plain and bland... with angles thrown in.
- ********0
I mean you could always look at it as 'whatever makes the client happy', but then again you have to ask yourself is this quality work?
- BonSeff0
you guys are like fucking crabs in a barrel, always pulling each other down. consider the artical jk posted a while back about charging like a professional. so what if the site took 6 months. if he did it in 40 hours and charged 75hr it comes out to 3000
80hrs at 37.5 hour = 3000
give the guy a break.
- unknown0
4 chickens, 2 pigs and a bottle of milk
- canadian0
url?
- BonSeff0
not to mention, what does a designer need to do to impress you people? i mean look at 2 advanced, they come up with a new site and you guys cant wait to rip it apart. everyone is so cynical here
- instantok0
wow that got wierd...funny how adding the word dynamic makes people think difficult, costly, and time consuming right away...3k is perfectly fair for this project which has some big visual and interactive problems...but my web site is a blank page with an email link on it so my opinion means nothing....
- canadian0
what site are we discussin?
- ********0
haha, instantok.
and as for the jk article, i tend to agree with his theory. it makes a lot of sense, especially in the broader aspect of design, not being limited to webdesign.
design is a good idea.
the execution is a second chapter.
- ********0
Canadian, see the second post.
- kentaro0
where is liquid..... he was very vocal about all of his opinions and then he disappeared.....
- canadian0
The problem is that the client at times cannot identify work which is considered to be amateurish and that which is proffessional. Just because the client cannot see this does not mean we should take advantage of them. I think this is the point 4cy makes with his surgery ref. The design we are all talking about is not a matter of opinion. It is a matter of standards.
- ********0
hmm, interesting point.
although the standards point of view might differ in my opinion, unless you simply mean to refer to 'standards' as in professional/experienced vs. less professional design, as opposed to usability standards.
- ********0
shit, that was vague and wrong after i reread my post.
i meant to ask:
what do you refer to by standards?
anyway,
working half a year on something that is still not top-notch doesn't justify asking a high fee for it.
- ********0
I think that this thread degenerated to a 'standard' well below what i would deem 'professional', or 'constructive'. I applauded when 4cy threatened to close the thread. I cringed when 4cy was drawn back into the fray.
Someone posts a site and asks a simple question. Why? Because he/she respects the level of 'professionalism' of the 'newstoday public voice members' towards graphic design.
Certain comments were offered actual feedback, some ridiculous, and others non-contructive negative assaults that reflect a self-centered narcissistic asswipe.
qaddisin - it is hard to post your work and ask for feedback. Personally the site doesn't really grab me. I tend to favor sites that are not flashed out, relying on usability and a kick ass design [newstoday being a great example]. As far as what it is worth i think you should be asking what can I get for it? Then you should reflect on your streamlining your development process, Hopefully next time you can build a better product in a shorter time frame maximising your dollar. Most importantly don't let the HATERS get to you, they are not jealous just unhappy.
- BonSeff0
4cy, to be perfectly honest, the only real standard of web design is, will it work in all browsers (cept ns4 :P)
i dont think there is a standard for usability and design. i would say the true measure of a successful website is how it effects the clients bottom line, or ROI. even ugly websites make money.sometimes an overly designed, 600k flash preloader will just turn a user off and kill a good marketing tool for the client.
and there is no standard what constitutes a professional designer, cept for are they making a good living at it.
i mean nobody needs a art or cs degree to develop sites or charge a professional wage. there are no tests to pass or certificates needed.
i really want to continue a successful career designing, and i do want to do it right and practice as a professional...
but im finding it harder and harder to call it a profession. simply because there is really no education required to deem ourselves designers. just a business card, bootlegged software and a portfolio page.
boom
instant designer challenging the rest of us for jobs.sorry for the rant. none of this is directed at qaddisin
- qaddisin0
jpolk i hope your joking about the site looking good. but if your not i've seen your site, and well there's nothing there. sorry maybe your skills are so good you don't need to publish any work and simple talk junk about my stuff. ok peace out. :(
- qaddisin0
just read some of the other comments. yo you guys are shitters. nothing really to say, i wonder do you guys even work for a living or sit around talking about other peoples work sucking each other up. a designer's community? where are the real designers. whatever. simply wasting my breathe. too bad. peace out :(