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- CyBrainX1
Alicia can sing very well but those lyrics could use some work.
- kingsteven0
Ludicrously unpopular opinion of the day:
Does anyone else think we should be more openly talking about the fact that healthcare workers are spreading the disease to the most venerable people? It's been on my mind for weeks /definitely the big taboo of the pandemic and I think the public's unwillingness to discuss (or even think about it) may have been exploited by the UK government - not only to to defer criticism for inadequate PPE and testing (through martyrdom of NHS workers) but to actually facilitate the spread in order to manufacture a steep drop off in hospital deaths that can be used to gain public support for easing lockdown. Bear with me...
This is based on a few assumptions about the UK gov't:
- They never stopped pursuing herd immunity.
- They don't want to prevent deaths, they want to control them to create stability for the markets.
- They controlled case numbers (kept below a 22% increase) by limiting the roll out of testing through Public Health England.
- They equate stability of a declining death toll to economic market stability.
- They don't give a shit about frontline staff.
- They are a despicable bunch of cunts that are really successful at manipulating public opinion.So, you want to steady the markets but you don't know the R0 and IFR parameters of the pandemic and you believe that the country can reach herd immunity before vaccine availability?
Worst case scenario: Multiple peaks
This is akin to the original ICL prediction... The virus has spread to < 5% of the population and has a high fatality ratio, antibodies only last for a few months / possibility of reinfection.
RESPONSE: release and tighten lockdown restrictions to maintain as much economic activity as possible to maintain a steady decline in deaths until vaccine availability.Best case scenario: Magical disappearing flu
The fatality rate sits between 0.1 and 0.3% and the UK (with suspected/ care home/ home deaths included @ 41,000 deaths) may have reached its peak cases several weeks ago (we were none the wiser because UK testing capacity is so low). If those numbers are correct we are already 20% - 50% immune.
RESPONSE: manufacture a 'buffer' - an initial quick drop-off in daily deaths will be used to gain public support for easing lockdown and then facilitate a smooth fall in deaths as they begin to let the virus spread through less venerable parts of society.HYPOTHETICAL GOVERNMENT PLAN TO ALLOW FOR ALL EVENTUALITIES
- Stability of death count == market stability.
- Achieving herd immunity quickest way of restoring normallity.
- Insist on using PHE tests/ control roll out.
- Don't prevent deaths, control them.
- Smooth curve of death count by only officially counting deaths of diagnosed cases IN hospitals.
- Facilitate a smooth fall in deaths as lockdown is eased for less venerable parts of society.HOW TO CONTROL DEATHS:
- Everyone who's going to die, we want them to die ASAP.
- Let healthcare workers spread the virus.
- Achieve 100% immunity in healthcare workers through inadequate PPE.
- Limit testing to NHS workers then send 20% back to work infected (through dodgy PHE testing).
- Implement a brutal hospital triage system to ensure venerable patients die elsewhere.
- Fewer and fewer venerable choosing to attend hospital.HOW TO GET AWAY WITH IT AND GET EVERYTHING WE WANT
- Feign incompetence because at the end of the day you're libertarians and can sacrifice your political career for a cushy job.
- Put a big NHS logo on the triage recommendations and leak it to the press.
- Only refer to the NHS as individual workers, blame PPE and Testing gaffs on the public structures of the NHS (like centralised ordering/ stock management) even though that was deliberately fudged by the gov't.
- Heroise NHS staff to make them martyrs when they die.
- Heroise NHS staff to reenforce the taboo of healthcare workers spreading the disease (past uncomfortable, to UNTHINKABLE!)I mean, I'm verging on conspiracy theory here but I can back up a lot of these claims with claims from mainstream press - milking an existing taboo isn't a big jump considering (I think folks not familiar with UK politics would be shocked at the shit that goes on - its exactly the sort of social engineering the Tories love).
Personal prediction: we're closer to the 'magical disappearing flu' scenario than we think - the government will get away with all their bullshit, distrust will create pushback on lifting lockdown will be spun in to 'recovery made worse by extending lockdown' and used against the left.
- in most places access to healthcare system is restricted to people likely to be or actually infected. I'd image spread out from healthcare workers is minimal?lowimpakt
- I could be and am usually wronglowimpakt
- I think you're attributing far more competence here than I'd expect from our ex-Journo in chief and chums. Unless you're invoking hidden structuresNairn
- like MI5 or whatever other unelected special/general interest groupings exist, evidence of which is bubbling up a bit these daysNairn
- I personally think the economic lid will be lifted before the government is currently implying, even if it is staged. 'cos you're right - £ trumps all.Nairn
- Your tin foil hat is missing...necromation
- @lowimpact this would refer to the early cases that were admitted to ICU before triage and a 'bank' of seriously ill people that require constant hospital carekingsteven
- while that idea sounds like borderline eugenics it does seem to be at least statistically relevant in pandemic outbreaks...kingsteven
- this is just the warm up act before christmas and a fucking no deal brexit ... flattening the curve and then the economyBluejam
- @Nairn, I think these ideas may come easier to libertarians that see the loss of life as a war effort to save the economy than the rest of us.kingsteven
- I don't think they have a plan, you can see they are folding internally inside their own heads every time they talk.PhanLo
- probably the thickest and most self serving government ever to grace this tiny islandBluejam
- @necromation I don't need one as I always wear my anglo-saxon full face suton hoo helmetkingsteven
- @PhanLo, or trying to recall the party line. Some of this is a happy accident but i'm sure Cummings has something like this mapped out as a masterplan.kingsteven
- Sometimes the worst place to go you're sick is a hospital. Petri dishes.monoboy
- ^ I hear you man, it seems the party is split with some people wanting the Megadeth. Bojo was going along with it til he got cabbaged.PhanLo
- Having watched both my parents die from cancer, I learnt a few things about healthcare.monoboy
- Palliative care teams play symptom whackamole with all kinds of very expensive drugs and treatments.monoboy
- The money, expertise and facilities involved is huge.monoboy
- Government's only looks at balance sheets and targets. This one looks at the NHS and thinks 'fuck me' how much! We could make a killing. It's the golden goose.monoboy
- It's also the pinnacle achievement of socialist liberal thinking. They desperately want it to fail.monoboy
- The current government is just a collection of marketing spivs working on behalf of corporate interests. And they're very good at it.monoboy
- The NHS will be sold-off as part of the Brexit deal and it'll be blamed on COVID-19.monoboy
- Not sure you've noticed, but there's a little more love for the NHS in the air of late in the UK population. No chance of a sell-off for years to come now.Nairn
- ^ I really hope not Monoboy. Not sure it would be wise for them to do that.PhanLo
- They may be libertarians and free-marketeers but even if they're as ruthless as that, it makes no sense to destroy the health service out of ideological spiteFax_Benson
- Nairn I think the difference between the NHS as 'Doctors and Nurses' or a full 'Healthcare system' is lost on most. I've seen a few articles this week pinningkingsteven
- the failures acquiring PPE, Ventilators, Testing on the centralised system. They are lining up the failings of the government as failures of the system.kingsteven
- Even as the private company that runs the warehousing for PPE has been sold twice this year (once last week)! Its astonishing.kingsteven
- Fax the privatisation of the NHS has always been a huge motivating factor in Brexit (it's just facilitated by racism)kingsteven
- I think you're thinkinng about it too much - sure, the Private Procuring Co. that fucked the PPE orders isn't the NHS and we know that - but most people willNairn
- ...blame procurement issues directly on the gov't, and hail all the Good Deeds on the NHS itself. People's over-simplification works in its favour here.Nairn
- Pretty sure the policy was let it fail, explain that it's not sustainable and introduce a US style two tier insurance based system.monoboy
- I was bemused to hear some Army dolt criticize the NHS for its apparent inability to ration PPEs - I mean, the Army, ffs. Pot, meet darkest of blacks kettle...Nairn
- Having grown up around the military, the thought any of those useless middle management fuckwits could do a better job isn't even laughable.Nairn
- Aaron Banks sells insurance. Vote Leave is run by hedge fund capitalists. The tax payers alliance are a UK mouthpiece for the US far-right.monoboy
- Brexit is a colossal stitch up to sell off the NHS. Always was. Back down now and they'll crucify Boris.monoboy
- Daniel Hannan was filmed giving the game away. As was Farrage.monoboy
- Cummings hates that crew. Johnson used Farage and dumped him. They're history now.Fax_Benson
- I think Boris will get replaced before the end of the year. He was always a Europhile and just wanted the limelight. https://www.youtube.…monoboy
- Sorry, no0 - Brexit was not a strategem to sell off the NHS, selling off of the NHS was just a neat possibiilty it opened up. And Boris will be PM next year.Nairn
- the Johnson / Cummings brexit is / was totally different to the Banks etc version. Agree with nairn it was never about the nhs for them.Fax_Benson
- I agree Brexit itself is the ideology now. Back when we had a functioning government the EHCR blocking privatisation brought Brexit back to the table...kingsteven
- Anyway, i didn't mean to suggest this would be a masterplan to sell off the NHS, more a convenient scapegoat.kingsteven
- Read so many articles about the UK response this week that have lead me to believe the 'dark arts' are at play. They're up to something.kingsteven
- Hah, so Dominic Cummings and Ben Warner are both on SAGE? FFS http://archive.is/rK…kingsteven
- Bennn0
in the end the majority of everyone of us on QBN will end up catching it. They say they need around 80% immunity of population. 8 out of 10 QBNer will get the Covid in the nest months/year. The goal is to protect the old people and not get sick all at the same time.
- https://thehill.com/…********
- thats why things will start reopening slowly, people need to get sick. just dont overflood the hospitals and protect the old and sick.Bennn
- https://thehill.com/…
- imbecile1
posted 23 March 2020
https://twitter.com/WesClarkjr/s…
"I wonder when he's going to recommend his followers drink bleach to guard against the virus."
- Nairn0
If we're being generous, we might hope that Trump had been informed of this and had, in his ego's typically indomitable fashion, mangled what it meant...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc…
Personally, I believe he's mangled the idea that viruses die in sunlight and not really had the sense or wit to know that illuminating the entire inside of a body is.. well, fraught with difficulty.
- oops, title of paper:
‘Ultraviolet Irradiation of Blood: “The Cure That Time Forgot”?‘Nairn - Many water treatment plants across the world do use "UV Irradiation" to disinfect water containing bacteria and viruses.utopian
- https://www.water-re…utopian
- So I take it....that this is where our stable genius is getting his half baked ideas about UV light treatment options. He's just too dumb to articulate it.utopian
- Trump's ego, his lack of self control, lack of science, lack of empathy and lack cur courage has derailed Trump his entire life.utopian
- Trump is like a runaway freight train that has left the station at full speed without fully functioning brakes.utopian
- It’s like he remembered 2% of the briefing, clung to those fragmented facts devoid of context, and then went full retard with them on tv. As usual.monospaced
- that's being too generous. there's no way to rationalize his statement - the guy is simply an idiot.dorf
- he probably scraped fragments about how light and common disinfectants are great at killing the virus ... on countertops ... and then went full retard with itmonospaced
- remind you, killing the virus on surfaces that way is common knowledge, so he truly thought he was being innovative heremonospaced
- oops, title of paper:
- utopian6
Lysol maker warns Hayoth against internal use of disinfectants after Trump comments.
- :Dkingsteven
- I'm inclined to make the 'it's fake news!' joke...but as common sense isn't really strong in "the greatest nation of the univers", I won't.uan
- Just a wee dram. Everything will be fine after that. Go, go!maquito
- dbloc0
The most eye opening thing I've learned during this pandemic is that everyone is an expert. Until now, I didn't realize how many brilliant people I was surrounded by.
- Bleach will make you immune from the affect of the virus. Because when you're dead, you can't have breathing problems, so bleach makes you immune to the virus.shapesalad
- allthethings0
We Cannot “Reopen” America
No matter when government stay-at-home orders are revoked, the American economy will not reopen. Because the source of the economic shock is not government orders. It's the pandemic.
- there will be more money to fight for at the bottom as poor people continue to die off though. win/win //simbecile
- Nairn6
I assume you're being sarcastic, dbloc - and it's something (that perhaps you weren't implying, admittedly) I've seen echo'd a few times here on QBN - a slight ridiculement of non-expert people discussing in terms as best as they are able, whatever it is that is happening in the world.
For me, my job and hobbies and whatever it is that led to me being here is just one layer. I've actually spent more of my time reading up on science and technology than I ever have on design or whatever. Science has been an escape for me since I was a kid - i fucking love that shit, more than anything, really.
I get the impression I'm not the only one, and there're a few folks on here similarly-curious.
I was just always too adhd or generally-divested to get into a specific science role, so never even considered it. If I had, I'd not be on this board.
And then you'd all be much happier, I'm sure.
- That last line was funnier in my head.
-1'd.Nairn - you don't even breed labradoodles! https://is.gd/1uaHp4…kingsteven
- Maybe science QBN is full of design pseudsFax_Benson
- Design feuds ye********
- > I work for the healthcare industry. I must way it's quite interesting, and often find myself reading science related stuff instead of design.maquito
- There's not a lot to learn about design once you've got the basics, it's not like a new hue can be discovered that changes all we know about colour.shapesalad
- Breaking News: Designers find that a straight line can be drawn to infinity and does not loop back to the start, breaking Einstein's theories of curved space.shapesalad
- I'm into electronics, transistors, sine waves, oscillators, filters, valves etc...********
- Design is thinking made visual so...you need to learn a lot about a lot to be a good designer, well isn't it?grafician
- also if you're a designer with adhd you can't possibly stick with just design lol, think Leonardo da vinci, sure, he painted, but also knew/learedn so much moregrafician
- DaVinci is the opposite of ADHD********
- That last line was funnier in my head.
- PhanLo2
The care home nurse I mentioned last week is still using bin bags to make aprons as is all of her colleagues, she sent us a message today saying they don't know when if ever the PPE will arrive.
It's continually promised but hasn't ever turned up.
They've had to convert one section of the home into a Covid block where it's a mix of elderly patients with mental and physical problems.All the doors are locked on the rooms to prevent them from roaming around and they have to constantly check to see if they are breathing, none of them are sedated like they would be in a hospital on a ventilator.
One patient last night rolled out of bed which is at a low level onto a crash mat and they had to try to move him back in, he has a brain tumor and can be aggressive and violent so three nurses had to do it.
He was thrashing around and ripped all the protection off the nurse we know, while spraying mucus everywhere, onto her skin and all over the floor. She said the patients look like they have rabies, with thick mucus around their mouths.
After calming him down and getting a hoist lift in, they were able to get him back to bed.This is a home where people going in - or their family - know they are going to die, but the situation seems doubly cruel.
The nurse we know is considering shaving her head as it's easier to clean. they're also looking to make gowns out of shower curtains as they're thicker than the plastic bags.
She's one of the nicest people I know and super caring to everyone, I can't imagine what they are having to deal with everyday.
:-(
- It's horrible when you look at Germany and the difference preparedness and PPE has on deaths. Our most venerable and carers have been totally stitched up.kingsteven
- Yeah, seems they're the last to get help. We've been reasonably luck yup here, but the care homes are bearing the brunt everywhere.PhanLo
- zarkonite2
https://arstechnica.com/informat…
"Many supposedly grassroots reopen sites are tied to one pro-gun lobbyist.
Sites protesting the COVID-19 lockdown are an astroturf campaign, researchers say.""Aaron Dorr is a well-known activist and lobbyist who has long been known for his advocacy of firearms ownership. Over a five-hour span on April 8, he registered six domains—reopenohio.com, reopenpa.com, reopenmn.com, reopeniowa.com, reopenwyoming.com, and reopenmissouri.com—and nine days later purchased reopentxnow.com ..."
- Continuity1
So it seems that this whole bleach thing isn't all that new. There's a snakeoil salesman in the States that's been peddling it for a while.
'Revealed: leader of group peddling bleach as coronavirus 'cure' wrote to Trump this week'
https://www.theguardian.com/worl…
Wonder how many inbred cretins have already tried it.
- hopefully many_niko
- Bishop Mark Grenonutopian
- let them dieimbecile
- Florida man.... lolayport
- Jim Bakker seems to have went into hiding after his miracle cure was deemed illegal.
He reckons the church is 2 weeks away from bankruptcy. Shame.PhanLo - Comments section here, discussing same subject: https://www.qbn.com/…maquito
- Akagiyama1
I dunno what's more sad, that our freaking President told people to inject disinfectants, or that people from disinfectant companies have to publicly scream "NO, DON'T DO THAT!".
- the yin yang duality of the situation amplifies said sadnessimbecile
- The most sad are his apologists.monospaced
- ********5
Trump on April 23, 2020:
"And then I see the disinfectant where it knocks it out in a minute. One minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or, or almost a cleaning? Because you see it gets on the lungs and it does a tremendous number, so it will be interesting to check that."White House Press Secretary later that day:
"Leave it to the media to irresponsibly take President Trump out of context"Trump's response when asked to clarify his remarks:
"I was asking a question sarcastically to reporters like you just to see what would happen," Trump said.See guys, it was all a big secret joke he was playing on us JUST TO SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN.
Thanks for the laughs, Donnie ya ol' son of a bitch! Anyway back to the news, unemployment is at 20%, rising fast and over 50,000 Americans are dead. You fuck.
- utopian6
- Trump lies that he was being 'sarcastic' when he talked about injecting disinfectant.
https://www.cnn.com/…utopian - no. really?utopian
- "I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee that says, 'Fool me once, shame on ... shame on you. Fool me...You can't get fooled again!'"utopian
- Dr. Wile E Coyoterenderedred
- Just a prank bro!inteliboy
- Duh! he OBVIOUSLY was. </sarcasm>maquito
- It's like when people say something stupid and trys to back track "it was a joke! C'mon! None of you got humor"pango
- Trump lies that he was being 'sarcastic' when he talked about injecting disinfectant.
- Krassy2
CDC (officially) adds 6 new symptoms. The full list as of now is:
- Fever
- Cough
- Shortness of breath or difficulty breathing
- Chills
- Repeated shaking with chills
- Muscle pain
- Headache
- Sore throat
- New loss of taste or smell- That's how I feel most mornings.lowimpakt
- You are missing: diarrhoea, tiredness, sore eyes and brain function.utopian
- They're late, and missing a bunch. WTF is going on at the CDC!?!zarkonite
- > 9/9 every time I eat taco bell.maquito
- And those $1 fish tacos they sell at gas stations in SoCal also.maquito
- Wasn’t this a Chris rock bit?_niko
- There’s also Covid-toeGnash
- https://www.business…Gnash
- utopian3
- Gen Z's were already eating tide pods just for fun... Can't imagine how many will actually shoot it up like smack and die.maquito
- No they weren’t. And nobody will inject Lysol. Jesus.monospaced
- Well, was just being generic. But you can’t deny that there were people intoxicated by the tide pod challenge.maquito
- And I wouldn’t be so sure no one is gonna shoot up lysol. Come on mono, the fucking president spoke about it. Why u being so denying?maquito
- Didn’t someone die recently after drinking hand sanitizer ffs?maquito
- https://www.newstate…maquito
- Look!!! "ONLY 86 teens ate Tide Pods, so why did the world erupt in moral panic?"maquito
- Even if it was only ONE single kid who saw a meme and decided to eat a tide pod, leaving him/her hospitalized, it should be alarming.maquito
- Come on, man. You and I are both dads, we both know that information is some dangerous shit.maquito
- Don't tell me that something the fucking President of the USA said openly, without any place to different interpretations, could be inconsequential.maquito
- Sorry fax_benson for the “no place for different interpretation”...maquito
- Not one of those 86 ate a tide pod. Nobody will inject Lysol. That’s crazy.monospaced
- I don’t believe his followers are THAT stupid they’d inject toxic chemicals into their bodies. I also don’t think they’re smart enough to even if compelled.monospaced
- shapesalad-4
If the virus came from an animal source, why aren't the Chinese hunting down that animal source?
If an animal has the ability to spread a virus to 1 human, what's to stop it spreading it to 10 humans, or 100?
Surely if it came from an animal, priority #1 would have been to track down and exterminate/study/isolate that animal.
- https://youtu.be/9lk…Fax_Benson
- Yup. Like Dustin Hoffmans and Cuba Goodings.dopepope
- maybe you should become a scientist and save the world. because clearly no one else is thinking as smart.inteliboy
- You sir, have it all figured out.dbloc
- "hunting down" Fine.maquito
- This kind of “logic” is why we need science and critical thinking taught in schools. It’s not only wrong it’s harmful potentially. Stop it shape.monospaced
- lol TrumpScience™fadein11
