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- uan3
it's a lack of leadership...portugal put an admiral at top of vaccination campaign. that guy declared a war. on 1 side the population of portugal on the other side the virus.
that way there was no room for sceptics.
it worked.- A Portugese man o' war.Brabo_Brabo
- after he accomplished the mission he declined to stay in that position and called for the government to take on the responsability.uan
- he said, he served the people of portugal when needed, but he didn‘t want his nation to be directed by the military. quite a honorable guy.uan
- How's the hospitalisation/deat... rate going?Brabo_Brabo
- High Vaxx countries like SIngapore arent doing too well.Brabo_Brabo
- The Vaxx is neither safe or effective.Brabo_Brabo
- you got a better idea? because it looks like it’s the best answer:
lisbon hospital closed 6 of 7 covid stations, they have 14 patients inside (unvaxxed).uan
- pr2-7
Some REALLY interesting thoughts here from DRs talking on Capitol Hill:
- 1 takes away: covid vaccines do NOT save lives (which was news even to me)pr2
- fuckwitBusterBoy
- pr2: that's not what he said at all. But we know you love to make assumptions. Thankfully, this doctor isn't doing that. Sadly, most who watch this video will.nb
- he said we can't say that covid vaccines save lives - there was NO reduction in death between vax and placebo.pr2
- he was saying that you can't conclude based on the initial reports, actually, which isn't even truemonospaced
- he also said most cases and deaths are with the vaccinated, with is patently false ... not surprising, because he's just a professor, not a doctormonospaced
- He said the data is not convincing. pr2 upgraded that into: "covid vaccines do NOT save lives." lol man get a gripnb
- correction, he is a doctormonospaced
- 3:11 "my point is that those who claim that vaxs were highly effective in saving lives are wrong. the trails didn't show this."pr2
- Don't you think the first thing you should do is look at this guys' background? Is he actually credible, or is anyone calling themselves a doctor on YouTubeyuekit
- someone you automatically gonna listen to? https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- How do you even know this is an actual doctor? It's 2021, anyone can say anything anywhere they want.mg33
- He's a real doctor but he's got a history of anti vax, AIDS denialism... doctors and scientists can be insane too :)yuekit
- But really just listen to his reasoning here, it makes no sense at all. First he asks how can it be pandemic of unvaccinated when in the UK, i.e. one country,yuekit
- a majority of those hospitalized are vaccinated...yuekit
- But why does he only mention one country? And also this doesn't even seem to be true.yuekit
- there are thousands of doctors in every city. being a doctor means jack shit. let alone one that is riding fringe ideas on YouTube.inteliboy
- debate the actual DATA you dummies! he's editor of BMJ one of the most prestigious med publication in the world.pr2
- but if its a guy from the lancet saying the opposite, then is fake mainstream media. stop cherrypicking, you faux intellectual hack.tank02
- so u have one editor fighting another editor. meaning data is not as conclusive as your favorite "main stream media" is trying to tell you.pr2
- Again, pr2 is inflating the claims of this doctor. Listen to the doctor’s perspective but don’t listen to pr2.nb
- vaccine uptake in uk and deaths with covid on death cert by age group:
https://i.imgur.com/…
https://i.imgur.com/…kingsteven - excess mortality 85+ and proportion of deaths with covid mentioned on death cert https://i.imgur.com/…kingsteven
- old people are vaccinated and old people die shockerkingsteven
- old people get covid and old people die. shocker!pr2
- https://respectfulin…yuekit
- ^ He's not THE editor of BMJ, he's an "associate editor" and has a history of questionable claims as that article talks about.yuekit
- All this chat over his credentials and past record. What he's saying here-and-now is of more import.Brabo_Brabo
- That haircut is amazing.BonSeff
- Did the Jackass crew roll up on him?BonSeff
- He is not saying anything. It's research by Moderna and Pfizer saying it. You guys really have to start concentrating on content more.pr2
- pr2: Your posts here on this subject are tiresome. Move along.lvl_13
- pr2, he is referencing the intitial studies on efficacy, which were limited obviously. But he is ignoring the last year+ of data which doesn't help himmonospaced
- and his entire case rests on the premise that the majority of deaths/cases are vaccinated, which is obviously a crock of shitmonospaced
- _niko2
this is for the professor of logic above
show us some links to numbers dude
- who the fuck puts kids (under 18) in the same category as 29y olds if not someone who's trying to manipulate the data?pr2
- Classic pr2.robotinc
- "The side effects in adolescents were consistent with those reported in clinical trial participants 16 years of age and older."robotinc
- https://www.fda.gov/…robotinc
- But what does the FDA know, probably didn't even do their own researchrobotinc
- The Red Riding Hood's "gradman" is telling you to check "her" teeth and you believe here. Your children are smarter than you...pr2
- lol the idiot pr2 still at itpango
- utopian1
People are developing diabetes after COVID-19. It might be because the virus messing with insulin-producing cells.
- yea, reading about a lot of kidney related issues on long haulers...whatthefunk
- It is possible, for instance, that some of the people already had diabetes before catching COVID-19, but were never aware of it.pablo28
- ..or because everyone's been sat on their asses WFHing, stuffing their face with be-sugared misery-compensation for the past two yearsNairn
- Before catching Covid my sister was healthy. She now has kidney and liver issues, as well as Arthritis. She's now learning how to walk again with a walker.utopian
- Shit, sorry Ute. I'd not have wished to be so flippant. xNairn
- Ramanisky24
Just doing my research.
Thanks Project Veritas
- shapesalad-1
Nah.. a wet market, clearly it was a wet market.
There are many wet markets in China, Taiwan.. across Asia.
it's just a unfortunate coincidence that the virus started at a wet market 15km away from one of the few BSL-4 labs in Asia. Just a coincidence.- that's why they're called coincidences. Very unlikely events that happen to happen._niko
- Thanks FauciAQUTE
- Fauci is just a little peanut in the whole bag of nuts.AQUTE
- Yet, antivaxxers prefer their chances with a lab engineered weapon experiment, than a vaccine designed to save your life.shapesalad
- Red pill Blue pillAQUTE
- Organic v GMO... but this is really GMO v SUPER GMOAQUTE
- The lab was there because wuhan is an epicentre of CST cross species transmission.inteliboy
- If you’re going to research bat viruses, wuhan is a good spot for it. Scientists don’t work based on ‘coincidences’.inteliboy
- even worse... the bat virus collection and study was supposedly being conducted in a BSL-2 lab - financed by EU and US to prevent a pandemic :-|kingsteven
- plenty of other scenarios that could lead to the version that was first detected in wuhan that aren't gain of function/ require BSL-4kingsteven
- The leaked document they're talking about here is a research proposal where a number of labs would collaborate on studying viruses. It did involve increasingyuekit
- infectivity of viruses in a lab but almost everything else in the video is wrong...yuekit
- It wasn't the Chinese government's proposal, the gain of function work on viruses would be done in the USA with the Wuhan Institute working on a differentyuekit
- part of the project, there was no plan to "release the virus" afterwards and on top of that the project apparently never even went forward.yuekit
- In spite of that it could be evidence pointing towards lab leak since it shows this group of scientists were interested in messing around with SARS viruses.yuekit
- But you have to assume the Wuhan Institute pursued this on their own, that they had SARS 2 as a backbone (which is not mentioned in the proposal), etc...yuekit
- yuekit3
Was just listening to this clip where one of his Sam Harris' listeners asks him why he doesn't have Bret Weinstein on his show so they can debate their "different senses of reality" on vaccines, ivermectin etc (starts about 10 min in).
https://samharris.org/podcasts/a…
It's funny how Harris has evolved from promoting these people like Weinstein and Joe Rogan to totally denouncing them in the space of a year or so.
Towards the end he mentions something that is pretty shocking which is that in spite of being the country that bought up and hoarded the global supply of mRNA vaccines and it being as easy as walking down to the local pharmacy to get vaccinated, the USA is now only #37 in terms of vaccination rate.
Poor developing countries like Mongolia now have a higher vaccination rate than the USA, and unfortunately I don't think you can dismiss the role of reflexive contrarianism and pseudo-intellectual misinformation in all this.
- utopian0
- ok butnb
- Quite impressivePhanLo
- Kinda misleading in that there are 3X as many people today compared to 1918. That being said, 'mericarobotinc
- Don't worry, America still has time to catch up to that population growth! COVID's just waiting for the Rs to get back in power.zarkonite
- 3 times more population now, but, it's not over yet... Sad!!OBBTKN
- The 1918 epidemic lasted 4 years so there's still time. Also the Spanish flu was more deadly too.PhanLo
- yuekit2
I always thought the irony in all this debate over SARS 2 origins is that the "lab leak" is depicted as this apocalyptic scenario. When in reality it would probably be the easier problem to solve. Lab safety regulations can be rewritten, certain kinds of research can be banned.
But if there are thousands of similar viruses floating around in nature and constantly recombining...as seems likely...and humans are cutting down forests on an industrial scale and hunting wildlife to extinction in exactly the part of the world where these viruses are known to circulate...good luck! There will almost certainly be another outbreak within our lifetimes.
- I should dispute all this, but I just don't feel like it anymore...grafician
- Will just say that just because these viruses are present in wildlife doesn't mean they can jump easily to humans! that's the trick pony you nudge in a lab to..grafician
- ....to see "what if"
then if that leaks - the world, bewaregrafician - IF the virus started in Laos, it would be very fast stopped but it originated in China - the worst of all places and here we are...grafician
- But viruses do jump to humans all the time right? SARS1, MERS, Nipah virus, Ebola and many more...just within the past few decades.yuekit
- Wuhan institute was collecting samples from bats in Laoskingsteven
- I mean, not that natural transfer isn't possible but that was in the documents released a few weeks ago (freedom of info request on programmes funded by US)...kingsteven
- @grafician Laos is one of the poorest, most undeveloped states in Asia and quickly becoming a client state of China.yuekit
- It would be entirely unsurprising if a new virus began circulating in Laos or Cambodia or Southern China and no one noticed.yuekit
- Yes yuekit they sometimes jump, but we squash easily the outbreaks as there are no coverups, no delays, etc. we let science work, but not this time with Chinagrafician
- Official numbers are over 4M dead, but probably the real numbers are over 20M by now and counting...massive waste of life that could've been preventedgrafician
- Well yeah exactly...we have no idea how many died, in places like rural India it could be underestimated by millions.yuekit
- But people think an unknown virus with symptoms similar to other diseases would be picked up by a developing world government?yuekit
- I'm not saying this completely rules out lab leak, but that part never made sense to me.yuekit
- i've always suspected the conflation of 'lab-leak' and 'lab created' in the media as part of a move to discredit the idea of accidental release from WIVkingsteven
- Yeah I get what you're saying...it was definitely conflated by the media back when they just wanted to dismiss it entirely.yuekit
- The thing about WIV collecting samples from Laos or elsewhere is that very few of them will result in an actual live virus capable of infecting people.yuekit
- https://twitter.com/…yuekit
- yep, that's what i'm suggesting. the virus collection would have been a few years before so it would have to be... i doubt we will ever know if that's the casekingsteven
- but i don't think until we trace the mutations between a bat virus in Laos and Wuhan through other means there's sufficient evidence to rule it outkingsteven
- The research was only BSL-2 level labs and the database of collected bat viruses (incl. Laos) was dumped in September 2019 is a smoking gunkingsteven
- ie. gain of function research would have been high security and authorised by FDA. to study and create cultures of stored viruses... that's everyday lab workkingsteven
- I think what she’s saying is that most of these samples are just some genetic material. It’s not the same thing as having a collection of live viruses, and inyuekit
- most cases very difficult to isolate or reverse engineer an actual virus from the sample.yuekit
- So you have to ask what is the chance they stumbled across the exact virus capable of starting a global pandemic in a cave, already preadapted to infect humans.yuekit
- They successfully recreate the live virus from the sample, and then proceed to accidentally release it in their own city...yuekit
- As opposed to the virus slowly adapting to infect other animals and then humans over time in nature.yuekit
- there are theories and studies of RNA virus outbreaks that suggest that they evolved at a consistent rate while frozen. i'd love for them to prove naturalkingsteven
- transfer, but to rule out the possibility of lab release at this stage would seem ignorant of how little we know about outbreaks emerge (however unlikely)kingsteven
- Yeah definitely agree it can't be ruled out. I guess my skepticism comes from the fact that a lot of "evidence" that is commonly repeated for lab leak, if youyuekit
- really research it in detail, often it falls apart or at least it's not as presented in the media.yuekit
- For instance the thing you mentioned about the database being taken offline...this seems to all be based on one guy on Twitter noticing that according to ayuekit
- "database monitoring service" on the Chinese internet, one of WIV's databases was no longer accessed outside China after September 2019.yuekit
- Seems to me that could mean any number of things, and yet this actually made it into the GOP's report on the origin in the USA. They even propose the leakyuekit
- happened in September, all because of this random bit of information. And there is a lot of stuff like that...yuekit
- it's pretty well documented what happened the guys behind the paper (where the GOP lifted a lot from) is quite critical of China/US/EU handling of the situationkingsteven
- it's also been shown a lot of the commonly spouted claims on how / the frequency viruses jump species is totally incorrect by experts in the fieldkingsteven
- The 'DRASTIC' report on the WIV's databases is free on researchgate if you fancy a read of itkingsteven
- Yeah I was actually discussing this with some of the DRASTIC people on Twitter...yuekit
- It's impressive that they dug up all this info and propelled the story into the media. But at same time I got impression some of them have a conspiracy mindset.yuekit
- And there were some weird things I noticed. For instance that paper refers to a virus database that supposedly existed at http://batvirus.whio…yuekit
- But if you search on archive, backlinks in Google etc I can't find any evidence this page ever existed at all.yuekit
- there are a few archived pages where the db was referenced with an earlier date but those pages themselves have been archived after the start of the pandemickingsteven
- and the database itself seems like it would have been password protected - given the data is said to be the same as other pathogen dbs but with more metadatakingsteven
- from collection and more recent data from WIV it's unlikely it would have been indexed (just looked for some of my public pages from university and they aren'tkingsteven
- showing on google or archive either even though the URLs are circulated within emails/pdfs/VLEs... but yeah would like more proof on that myselfkingsteven
- You can also search historical DNS records and there is no record of any "batvirus" subdomain.yuekit
- interesting that the lancet chose to publish an article effectively reversing its stance on the likelihood this weekend too. hoping that doesn't make the mediakingsteven
- in the same way as the last article (which spawned the lab leak/ lab made confusion) and leave it up to science to prove what happenedkingsteven
- What you do see on Archive is that they actually launched a virus database site at a different URL in late 2019, and it stayed up until mid 2020.yuekit
- I obviously spent way too much time looking into this BTW but I just was curious if I could dig anything up :)yuekit
- At the very least it seems like no one actually knows which database was put up or taken down for what reason, and yet the media just ran with it.yuekit
- haha, amazing. just had a nosey because i didn't know it would be possible to look up subdomains and found this https://imgur.com/f8…kingsteven
- obviously later again, but an IP in the same range as the other related university sites. i guess if the data exists it may come to light at some pointkingsteven
- Wow interesting...what did you use to look that up though? I tried a few different subdomain lookup tools and it showed other subdomains but not that one.yuekit
- What I noticed is that by end of 2019 the WIV added a "virus database" link which goes to this site:
https://i.imgur.com/…yuekit - But it's unclear to what extent this overlaps with the "batvirus" set of data. This page was hosted on a different site called the Basic Science Data Sharingyuekit
- Network but if you look at the attribution it says data is from WIV. So I started wondering if they just changed approach as happens in these sorts of projects.yuekit
- this was the lookup tool, but yeah i can only see dates before 2020 relating to the construction of the db https://securitytrai…kingsteven
- and nothing really to confirm the correspondence relating to its withdrawl. it is funny (given public security concerns) how much academia is a black holekingsteven
- utopian0
The pandemic marks another grim milestone: 1 in 500 Americans have died of covid-19.
- and to think there are ethically backward, morally corrupt and sick bastards who preach, on and on, that this is acceptable and expectedmonospaced
- This is the numbers I use when people say “ but I don’t know anyone who’s died of covid” because you don’t know 500-1000 people._niko
- From your articleAQUTE
- [CDC: Unvaccinated 11 times more likely to die of covid-19]AQUTE
- WHO IS LYING? ISRAEL OR MEDIA?AQUTE
- that democratic hoaxneverscared
- NEWS ALERT: any given year 1 in 300 Americans dies. period.pr2
- actually it's 1 in 100 who die each year.pr2
- we should make everyone who goes to funerals be vaccinated and wear masks to prevent the spread of "death."pr2
- palimpsest-2
I've also done my own research and found out that the actual data doesn't fit into any of the narratives we're being fed. I had a suspicion that the percentages being posted here were off. When you take all of the variables into account you get the following graph where the augmentation is largest for the case with the lowest maximum angle of attack. The phases that increase/decrease the thrust are minimally affected by the maximum angle of attack.
There is no bias in this analysis since the data used hasn't been filtered. This is from a paper from Muscutt LE, Dyke G,Weymouth GD, Naish D, Palmer C,Ganapathisubramani B. published by the Royal Society.But wait, there's more:
You can see in this graph that for both values of the maximum angle of attack the efficiency is greatest for St = 0.18, while the thrust coefficient is greatest for St = 0.36.Furthermore, if we look at the research done by Ludvig Beckman. His conclusions on the general account are as follows:
Let us assume that the inclusion of A and B is sufficient for pure procedural legitimacy of a collective decision regulating membership in the demos. Now, imagine that A and B jointly decide that B should be excluded from the demos. Is the decision legitimate? One answer is that it is not, since it denies B the ability to participate in future decisions to which B will be subject. After all, the general conception of pure procedural legitimacy requires that anyone subject to public decisions should be able to participate in them. On the assumption that B will indeed remain subject to A’s decisions, democratic legitimacy apparently requires that B continues to be included in the demos.The problem is that this answer betrays the nature of pure procedural legitimacy. As we have seen, any outcome should be regarded as legitimate, provided that the procedural requirements are satisfied. Since we have already accepted that the decision to exclude B from the demos is made in accordance with the procedural requirements of democratic legitimacy, there is no basis for refuting its legitimacy. In sum, it is incoherent to hold that decisions made in full com-pliance with the standards of pure procedural legitimacy are also illegitimate by the very same standard.
#DYOR
- 1. I think you're grasping for a narrative that fits your view. 2. The second guy who linked is a political science professor that's big on..garbage
- ..restricting voter's rights. 3. Not really sure we're being 'fed a narrative' when more Americans have died than in every war we've been involved in..garbage
- ..in the past two years, massive bankruptcy and economic fallout resulting in a complete change of life for almost every person on earth, etc.garbage
- There ain't no big lie about COVID.garbage
- "I think you're grasping for a narrative that fits your view."
You've got it all figured out, champ!palimpsest - Thanks for proving my point.palimpsest
- jeez, some real butters/professor chaos shit right here, revealing your evil villian masterplan after one person bit the bulletkingsteven
- It took me weeks to put it together.
I pissed myself like an over-excited puppy.palimpsest - *placesyellowtriangl... watch your stepAQUTE
- Next time a client comes back with feedback they gathered from their nephew, and now are an expert in design - remember what you're doing here.inteliboy
- I concur.
Specially if the feedback is a picture of Bigfoot. Remember that you are the designer.
#DYORpalimpsest - this is a pisstake, right?hans_glib
- Seriously, I never tried to trick anybody here. I hold you all to the same standards as I do myself. This only requires basic reading skills.palimpsest
- I didn't expect garbage to ramble about NOTHING, nor kingsteven to read it as a stupid evil MASTERPLAN or even inteliboy to compare it to DESIGN feedback.palimpsest
- It was more of a comment on the constant bullshit and bickering going on here. And now look at us.palimpsest
- i was referencing a character from southpark, i read the post and got what you were trying to do, upvoted but then was disappointed when you didn't let thekingsteven
- sidenotes go on a bit. also don't feel like the 'gotcha' was deserved as it would seem garbage was just concerned for your sanity :Dkingsteven
- Like I said before, I really didn't expect this response. I think it's safe to say we all know South Park. I don't think garbage was concerned for my sanity.palimpsest
- it was more the response that reminded me of this https://www.youtube.… - that second study is giving me crazy Déjà vukingsteven
- Maybe he has concerned for his own sanity. I would really like for somebody to clearly explain where he got that reading from.palimpsest
- It wasn't a 'gotcha'. He clearly went on a rant about MY "grasping for a narrative that fits your view" without considering the facts.palimpsest
- If he wouldn't have gone that far I would have it let it slide. I just wasn't expecting. As I've said several times before.palimpsest
- I REALLY would like somebody to explain where they got this interpretation from MY text.palimpsest
- "Show me on the doll".palimpsest
- @kingsteven
Thanks for the video, I understand your worldview now. Thumbs up!palimpsest - he was concerned you were going off the rails, took the bits he could derive sense from (opening paragraph, discursive democracy) and tried to rationalisekingsteven
- within the context of the thread. i doubt he cared much, other than to keep the discourse going. qbn is not academic, more like a pub...kingsteven
- So basically, he did his own research regardless of the facts.
I even posted the sources.palimpsest - But I'm the Butters figure here.palimpsest
- You're right, kingsteven.
I apologize.palimpsest - This is amazing. The responses are even better. Well done pal.monospaced
- What you’ve shown here is probably the most useful data I’ve seen on the thrust coefficient of the pandemic. A topic few real researchers have tackled. Bravo.monospaced
- always consider theres users on this site that are alts, trolls doing exactly what you attempted - for years. don't get triggered and shit over your good name.kingsteven
- @monospaced
https://www.youtube.…palimpsest - @garbage
You were as quick to jump in as to vanish from the conversation.
Looking forward to your insight.palimpsest
- utopian3
23 states have COVID-19 cases that surpass the national average. 21 of them voted for Trump.
14 of the 18 states with new death totals higher than the national ratio backed the former president in 2020.
- How do the stats look when Arizona, Michigan, Pennsylvania and Georgia are factored in?Brabo_Brabo
- Cos they voted for GEOTUS too.Brabo_Brabo
- Hey Bo Bo...21 of 23...maths.utopian
- maquito2
With 2 Coronavac (Sinovac) doses already in, I’ve just scheduled a reinforcement dose with Pfizers’ for mid September. I love drugs!
- I don’t think that’s how it works.monospaced
- ^
Uruguayan government does.maquito - You can just schedule any regular dose as a booster?monospaced
- they mix Sinovac with Pfizer and Moderna.
so that RNA, or mRNA vaccines get mixed with the vector onessted - I’m not gonna lie, I trust the Health Dept of my country’s government. You don’t schedule yourself for anything until you’re allowed to by healthcare officials.maquito
- Uruguay already has almost 80% of its population vaccinated. For those (like me) who got Sinovac, there’s a 3rd shot (Pfizer).maquito
- Immunodeficiency, diabetes, and +75 y/o, were the only population to get Pfizer first hand.maquito
- Everyone else, from 18 to 75 y/o: Sinovac x 2. And, since Sinovac’s efficiency dropped a bit, one Pfizer shot after 90 days for everyone.maquito
- I think there’s no perfect strategy for this shit. I just trust the government.maquito
- Hayoth0
I think I am going to have to start taking on the radical communists on this platform and their dangerous information.
First, ivermectin has a version for humans.
https://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/dr…I'll be back later to slap down some more misinformation.
- Hayoth, WE all know that because we're not absolute imbeciles, unlike the low IQ Trump cultists who can't even pronounce "ivermectin" and are buying up all themg33
- animal kind of the drug that will do serious damage to their bodies.mg33
- but all papers that state it cures covid have been retracted and ridiculed. We know it treats parasites and only 2 types of viruses in humans, BUT NOT covid._niko
- dis gon b gudpalimpsest
- Impossible to get it here (UK) I chose daily RDA of Zinc, Vits D3 & K2, Quercetin. Much better than a life of endless boostersBrabo_Brabo
- Nebulizing H2O2 is supposedly worth a bash too. Much better than a 'clotshot'Brabo_Brabo
- Yup hydrogen peroxide is great at disinfecting. Glad to see we now accept the virus as real and not a plandemic used by a satanic pedo cult to steal votes_niko
- 1 out of 60 papers get retracted, niko thinks it's "all" - oy, son.pr2
- drgs2
I started browsing conspiracy videos, and I feel it's pulling me in.
I need QBN analysts to assure me that none of this is true:- you should look up all the mad shite she's been saying the entire pandemic, part of https://en.wikipedia…kingsteven
- you won't find a scientist who deals with immunology that will disagree with the first part of her statement.pr2
- Get her job at The Communist Party of China ASAP!utopian
