Intellectual Dark Web
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- PhanLo0
- I wouldn't really file Katy Perry in with IDW. Their game is more about making counterarguments to the topic du jour that's outside of their expertise..garbage
- ..in a transparent attempt to generate outrage clicks and book sales. Oh wait... damn KP is IDW.garbage
- No offense, mr science man, but China is a part of the universe, as well. So your theory about learning Mandarin for China and math for the universe is FLAWEDnb
- yuekit1
It's amazing how almost every person promoted by Sam Harris turned out to be either a right-wing grifter or a conspiracy theorist...Dave Rubin, Bret and Eric Weinstein, Jordan Peterson, Joe Rogan, Maajid Nawaz...
Such a weird contrast with Sam's ultra-rational persona and new age intro music.
As far as this idea that the greatest threat to Western civilization are annoying liberals on college campuses, that didn't age too well did it?
- Apart from Rubin none of those people you mention would consider themselves right wing. Apart from Brett Weinstein jumping the shark with Ivermectin, which he...Morning_star
- ...has discussed at length which other conspiracy theories are they promoting.
There doesn’t seem to be any truth to your claims.Morning_star - also Douglas MurrayFax_Benson
- None of them identify as right-wing. Respect their pronouns.palimpsest
- Notice I said either...but Peterson describes himself as a conservative, Rogan is calling for people to vote for the GOP, Maajid Nawaz bought into Trump'syuekit
- idiotic stolen election conspiracies. Wasn't Nawaz kicked off the radio over there in the UK? I don't think I'm unjustified in saying this.yuekit
- As far as the Weinsteins go you really have to listen to scientists to get a sense of what total charlatans they are.yuekit
- Peterson describes himself as a Classic British Liberal. Rogan is also Liberal and has 'apolitical views'. Nawaz was fired from LBC for tweets about...Morning_star
- ...compulsory vaccinations in Italy. Sam Harris has had nearly 200 guests on his podcast, most of which have nothing to do with politics. Your conclusions...Morning_star
- ...seem to support your existing belief and it's just not the reality.Morning_star
- These are the main members of the "Intellectual Dark Web"...these are the people Sam Harris promoted and appeared with at speaking events.yuekit
- https://www.nytimes.…yuekit
- A 2018 article from NYT, are you serious? Harris spent several recent podcasts criticising the IDW trope. Peterson, Weinsteins and Murray have all...Morning_star
- ...voiced similar concerns.Morning_star
- To the extent there was a concept called the IDW, it was based around these people no? I mean you started the thread...yuekit
- Forget about the right-wing thing...none of them look great at this point do they?yuekit
- Like most humans on the planet they are inconsistent, prone to changing opinion, and fallible. I think you should maybe listen to what they actually say and...Morning_star
- ..take an informed view as to whether you find a particular opinion valuable or not. You can't label them as one group with a consistent opinion and agenda...Morning_star
- ...because they aren't.Morning_star
- Just because you don't agree with their point of view doesn't mean they are right wing conspiracy nuts.Chimp
- lol ..the right wing fanboys get all nervous defending their right wing idols not being rightwing.....neverscared
- convservative right wing always to shy or dumb to understand where they are till the shit hits the fan and then they wont have anything to do with it.neverscared
- Which one isn't a nut? Jordan Peterson the drug addict preaching moralism while he's high AF? Peterson's daughter with the all-meat diet? lol.yuekit
- Weinstein the fake scientist spreading disinfo to millions in the middle of a pandemic? To the extent that Sam Harris has disassociated himself from all theseyuekit
- people and now pretends the IDW never existed in the first place, does this not actually back up I'm saying?yuekit
- @neverscared, who's right wing?
@yuekit, addiction and dietary choices are your qualification for integrity?Morning_star - Weinstein is an Evolutionary Biologist and Professor, so not sure where the 'fake' comes from.
You claimed EVERY person Harris promoted is one of two things...Morning_star - ...now you change your argument to something that is again, blatantly untrue.Morning_star
- Bret Weinstein + his wife promote all kinds of loopy pseudo-scientific ideas to their audience, who think they are credible scientists. How is that defensible?yuekit
- Apart from the Ivermectin bullshit which they've both spent hours explaining, name one other ?Morning_star
- And this weird idea of only eating meat, most scientists say this can actually be terrible for your health.yuekit
- https://www.theatlan…yuekit
- @yuekit, i get it, you don't subscribe to the opinions of several prominent public figures that hold some of the same views but your criticisms don't hold...Morning_star
- ...water at a surface level. They don't agree as much as they do agree with each other. Stop trying to dismiss them with one flawed label.Morning_star
- "which they've both spent hours explaining"...what does that mean? Weinstein still insists that he's right and ivermectin works while fear mongeringyuekit
- about the vaccines. But that's hardly the only science related thing he gets wrong, there's a long list...yuekit
- These aren't just opinions...it's spreading conspiracy theories and disinfo that probably killed people...at very least contributed to mass stupidity.yuekit
- Weinstein is like Jude Law's character in the Contagion movie...promoting a fake cure in the middle of a pandemic. This is obviously not worth defending lolyuekit
- @yeukit. Can you articulate Weinsteins position on Ivermectin? And at no point have been antivaxx.Morning_star
- *And at no point have they been antivaxx.Morning_star
- Hmmm OK let's listen to this latest episode
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - Haven't listened yet but based on what you're saying I assume he won't be fear mongering about vaccines?yuekit
- I don't follow all their stuff but I did see interview with Weinstein on Unherd recently and he absolutely still claims he's right about ivermectin, in spiteyuekit
- Hold fire bud, i'm gonna give it a listen.Morning_star
- of this flying in the face of what study after study says. So you gotta kind of conclude at this point he's either lying or delusional.yuekit
- Funny how some on the left today are very closed minded and very supportive of massive corporations and the establishment. It used to be the opposite.Chimp
- its adorable how stoopid and desperate the right is trying to brand their guys as liberals.... like if they are ashamed and cowards to admit they are right...neverscared
- wing ... what would bogost or delanda be if peterson is liberal...lol the do the equation..neverscared
- @neverscared Again, who's right wing? (surely you're not scared to answer)Morning_star
- Morning_star I'm 20 minutes into that latest Dark Horse episode and it's wall to wall fear mongering about vaccines...yuekit
- Maajid Nawaz calls anti-COVID measures a crime against humanity, "war crime level stuff." Bret Weinstein agrees with him.yuekit
- Weinstein refers to the vaccines as "so-called vaccines" that are "mysterious in their content." lol what is he talking about?yuekit
- They then go on to talk about how they were right about everything, everyone else was wrong...Weinstein shares a disturbing anecdote about a listeneryuekit
- who called in to tell him that his show is the only thing keeping them sane...yuekit
- Perhaps you should move to China if you like the Covid restricts so much.Chimp
- I've heard the same Yuekit and I think the problem is that their issue is very nuanced. It's more like Petersons issue with Bill C16, it was never about trans..Morning_star
- ...or pronouns it was about enforced speech. Wienstien/Nawaz's problem is more with the mandatory element and the overstepping of pharma and..Morning_star
- ...government. They talk about this point about 1hr 28mins.Morning_star
- the rightwing anti-intellectuals highly likely haven´t read more than 3 21st century leading philosophers and now they are lost in idiotic comparisons becauseneverscared
- they are on the clownside of differentiation... hillarious to c.neverscared
- Thanks @neverscared, because of you I now know what to think.Morning_star
- Morning_star cmon...there was nothing nuanced that I heard there, they compared proponents of lockdowns and mandates to the Nazis.yuekit
- While also greatly exaggerating the dangers of vaccines...how is this not content for an anti-vaxx audience?yuekit
- Here's a link to a much shorter clip:
https://twitter.com/…yuekit - Weinstein says SARS-2 is "clearly a modified virus"... Vaccines are not safe or effective... Ivermectin cures COVID.yuekit
- Yuekit, there's a difference between blindly taking what Weinstien (or anyone) says as gospel OR considering an alternative perspective in the crucible of ...Morning_star
- If you start listening critically it's almost like a dark comedy...their certainty and self-congratulation about views that are most likely wrong.yuekit
- ..opposing opinion. He was right about the Virus as a Lab Leak way before anyone else. That doesn't make him right all the time, but it does make his...Morning_star
- ...perspective worth some consideration. As far as antivaxers go, he went to some length in that podcast to say vaccines are generally good, just not all.Morning_star
- @yuekit. you've always been measured in your responses and i appreciate that. I don't think we'll ever see eye to eye on this but for what it's worth thanks forMorning_star
- the conversation.Morning_star
- I think you need to consider the arguments against a lab leak, which are very comprehensive by this point.yuekit
- This articles for instance does a good job covering it down to the genetics etc..
https://protagonistf…yuekit - Now of course you can't totally rule out that was the origin, but the idea that Weinstein was proven right about this is ridiculous...yuekit
- I don't think his claims about the vaccines and ivermectin are justified at all. So that's potentially three things he's wrong on.yuekit
- What's damning however is not just being wrong but that he doesn't change his mind as new evidence comes to light. He's keeping his audience in this conspiracyyuekit
- bubble, telling them I was right about everything, don't trust the mainstream...yuekit
- The British Medical Journal does a similarly good job from the other side of the lab leak argument... https://www.bmj.com/…Morning_star
- Like I said you can't completely rule it out but recent discoveries actually point in the opposite direction.yuekit
- Also keep in mind the lab leak possibility was raised by a lot of people, one of them was Yuri Deigin, a Russian scientist. That's where Bret got it from.yuekit
- But Deigin himself now calls Weinstein out as dangerous and spreading disinfo...
https://yurideigin.m…yuekit - He's a lot harsher than I am actually... "Some of Bret + Heather’s listeners hold a misconception the two are highly credentialed scientists. They are not..."yuekit
- Why was Facebook deleting posts about the lab leak not so long ago?Chimp
- Who knows...they probably just got too trigger happy with censoring stuff in the chaos of the pandemic.yuekit
- Are you comfortable with the amount of power big tech has?Chimp
- Of course not but what does that have to do with anything? Lab leak was written about in every major paper, Trump talked about it, Biden directed intel agenciesyuekit
- to look into it (they didn't find anything). It was worth looking into and still is, but it wasn't suppressed to the degree people are making it out to be.yuekit
- canoe5
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- drgs-1
What Peterson keeps protesting against is politicization of LGBT culture
To use Pride Month in this thought experiment:
Initially Pride Month was meant to be a time when everyone could embrace who they are, and equally importantly: where straight people could join and express their personal support for the LGBT minorities
Now assume for a moment that this kind of support becomes mandatory by law, ie. you are required to participate in one form or another. The moment this happens, the number of people who express their personal support for LGBT is zero
Like in the army -- everyone gets a buzz cut, looks the same and accepts it whether they like it or notThis is an unthinkable scenario, with some exceptions like that dad who got jailed for misgendering his daughter, transgender pronoun bills etc.
However, in America the there is this overwhelming peer pressure, the fear of being canceled out, completely paralyzing taboo to even mention any of these topics, so it practically becomes an unwritten social law, and the effect is exactly similar -- there is no way to show your own free, personal support for LGBT, because by default you already do
Peterson's stance (and mine) is not anti-transgender, its specifically against legislation/politicization of LGBT
You can prohibit negative attitudes, like racial slurs, hate speech etc, but you cannot impose a positive attitude, because due to human psychology it immediately flips 180 degrees, and the cretins do not realize that they are doing LGBT a bear favor
Discuss
- there's always been "legislation/ politicization" of LGBT, the difference now is they can marry and won't be prosecuted for having sex12xu
- the biggest problem with Peterson isn't that he's a hater but that he's a subpar intellectual12xu
- Sorry who's being forced to support gay pride month? Does that exist in any country in the world?yuekit
- Peterson wrote a crude, ugly tweet talking about someone's breasts and calling a doctor a criminal. Predictably Twitter doesn't like this tweet, Petersonyuekit
- then gets to play the victim. Coincidentally he just joined the right-wing culture war site The Daily Wire.yuekit
- Go to the site and you get a popup with Jordan Peterson's face asking you to sign up for a paid subscription lol.yuekit
- Are you sure he's really taking a principled stance? Isn't this just more culture war nonsense to promote himself?yuekit
- No one forces to support pride month, that example was hypothetical, gays are no longer interesting to anyone, his main feud is pronouns and compelled speechdrgs
- I think this is exaggerated though...search on Twitter and you'll easily find conservatives ranting about "child grooming", their latest weirdyuekit
- obsession...you'll find openly white nationalist accounts with large followings. It's only when you direct the hate at someone personally like Peterson didyuekit
- that you get your account penalized like that (not even banned).yuekit
- No doubt he appeals to them, not sure if this is his intention. Peterson is convinced that we are heading towards criminalization of non-preferred pronounsdrgs
- so he's deadnaming all trans people just in spite. Twitter ban is an obvious side effectdrgs
- How different is this comedy bit from what Peterson is doing:
https://www.youtube.…drgs - I think the reason why some on the left don’t like Peterson is that he calls out their absurdness.Chimp
- They can’t respond with a reasoned argument so they attack him as a person or just hurl unjustified insults.Chimp
- Peterson wouldn’t be famous if it wasn’t for the crazy identity politics being played by some on the left.Chimp
- No, he wouldn't be famous if he didn't play identity politics. You wouldn't know who he was if he didn't constantly bitch and moan..garbage
- Haha yeah reasoned argument...meanwhile this is what he posted.
https://i.imgur.com/…yuekit - ..about identity, LGBT rights, etc until eventually he curls up and starts crying again. He's a fucking dinosaur, and he can't handle it.garbage
- Same as how Gervais' joke is just indicative that he's an out of touch, and his way of dealing with it is writing bad grandpa jokes.garbage
- So you've got a 60 year old ranting about someone half his age getting surgery done...how is this not creepy as hell?yuekit
- Obviously trans people can have a difficult time, I'm sure it's very helpful for someone to make such a crude demeaning comment to his millions of followers.yuekit
- As well as call her doctor a criminal (which he isn't) at a time when right-wing nutcases are gunning people down. Totally normal stuff.yuekit
- It's surreal to see people pretending this is a reasonable comment...for all we know Peterson was in a benzo fueled delerium when he posted this.yuekit
- Maybe he does perform for his public. I dont really follow him, I remember him fighting against gender expression being added to the canadian human rights actdrgs
- Because the law would allow to fine people for not using someones pronouns, and I'm with him on that. This would immediately turn everyone against transdrgs
- Sure I think it can be debated...but why target someone personally like that?yuekit
- he targets the physician, but not personally.uan
- anyway he is probably better off without twitter. he has to much anger inside...could probably use some integral psychology therapy sessions.uan
- can he look sadder?pango
- wait... someone got fined for not using someone's pronouns?pango
- In Canada...drgs
- https://nypost.com/2…yuekit
- Pretty intense story...the craziest part is it all started with him trying his daughter's all-meat diet.yuekit
- Peterson apparently had a bad reaction to this, so he starts taking drugs to deal with the pain...soon he's a total drug addict, becomes suicidal.yuekit
- He's diagnosed as a schizophrenic but rejects the diagnosis and flies to Russia to undergo "alternative treatment" where they give him even more drugs...yuekit
- The drugs put him in a coma and he almost dies...also gets COVID at the same time. Now he's back to tell you how to live your life.yuekit
- https://i.imgur.com/…
I liked him in that BBC interview thoughdrgs - @yuekit attacking JP for his personal struggle, family dynamic, diet is a little hypocritical particularly when you criticise him for doing exactly the same...Morning_star
- ..I rarely see you engage and debate his ideas or perspective. He has his faults but who doesn’t. We’re not destroying light bulbs everywhere because Edison...Morning_star
- ...was a cocaine fiend.Morning_star
- i want to know who got fined for not using pronounce.pango
- Some dude was ordered by a court not to misgender his son/daughter, but he did it anyway, went to jail for itdrgs
- https://www.gaylawne…
Page 4, 2cdrgs - It’s not mandatory, so this entire post is rendered pointless.monospaced
- He does a lot of things but he fails entirely at calling out the left. All he does is make himself look absurd with his insane, hypotheticalsmonospaced
- Morning_star what ideas? This is what Peterson posted:
https://i.imgur.com/…yuekit - What drgs wrote was actually more substantive. It seems like Jordan Peterson has a problem with trans people, otherwise why is he so angry about an actressyuekit
- deciding they want to identify as a man and having some cosmetic surgery done?yuekit
- Then he says "I'd rather die than delete the tweet"...lol. It seems over the top doesn't it?yuekit
- Why does it look like he was fined for something else...pango
- peterson is the getaway drug to nazism thats why the altright adores him so much..neverscared
- @yeukit. I’m not sure it’s productive to ringfence a tweet and claim you don’t understand the idea behind it. Your either choosing to ignore everything else....Morning_star
- ...you’ve written in these threads or you truly don’t know anything about him.Morning_star
- The blanket argument is that you can't deny all the IDW are sacred cows of the alt-right. "Look they have Dr. beside their name".garbage
- They're all libertarians at best, and Joe Rogan just threw his hat in the ring for Ron DeSantis so.. lol at any liberal cosplay from him.garbage
- @Morning_star You keep suggesting there is some more nuanced version of what these people are saying but I watched the video here...yuekit
- https://www.qbn.com/…yuekit
- Just like with Bret Weinstein when you listen to the full version it's worse not better lol. Why is he so angry?yuekit
- I'm willing to believe that unlike Weinstein, Peterson has written intelligent stuff back in the day..but at this point he's just another culture war demagogue.yuekit
- The question that he's consistently asked is 'when do the left go too far?'. We see the rise of fascism GLOBALLY and we're still not sure where 'too far' is.Ianbolton
- He conflates a lot of things to the left overstepping a line, yet we're still not sure where that line is when it comes to the degredation of democracyIanbolton
- @yuekit In that video, in a nutshell, what do you think he's saying?Morning_star
- @Yeukit, 'nuanced' is probably not the most appropriate term, however, it works for brevity. Of course I can see when JP is awkward, blustering rand full of...Morning_star
- ...rage. He IS or was a drug addict. He DOES have a strange diet however, not every single thing that comes out of his mouth is valueless and in particular...Morning_star
- ...loaded with political rhetoric and opinion.Morning_star
- I genuinely don't think he's saying much...rather than asking me can you pick out the intelligent or reasonable part of what he's saying?yuekit
- I think you have to be careful not to assume substance where there isn't any...these guys like Peterson and Weinstein often wrap up obvious or stupid pointsyuekit
- in pseudo-profound rhetoric. Like in this video he spends time ranting about this seeming contradiction he's identified... if Elliot Page was already a man whyyuekit
- did he need to get breast surgery? Peterson seems to think he's hit on some killer argument but it's just idiotic isn't it?yuekit
- It's also funny how he's so outraged at getting a penalty of his Twitter account...then he asks why did I get the penalty and goes on to list a numberyuekit
- of what seem like totally valid reasons...he personally attacked someone, called her doctor a criminal, the "pride" thing can be interpreted as anti-gay, etc...yuekit
- The tweet hints at violence...all of that before you even get to the pronouns issue. Like on some level it's impressive that he managed to include so manyyuekit
- ban-worthy things in one tweet, but in that case why is he pretending to be shocked/ outraged? It comes across as performative, like he's being a drama queen.yuekit
- I don't disagree with most of what you've said. I'm not sure i'd interpret it as hinting at violence...that seems a bit of a stretch. I think his fundamental...Morning_star
- ...quest is the search for moral/human truth and understanding. It's doesn't have a political perspective. His adoption of universal truths found in most ...Morning_star
- ...religious and social myths/stories applies (in his world) as a measure for everything. 'Pride' in the pantheon of myth is a negative action that has eons...Morning_star
- ...of experience and learnings. Where he misses the target i think is his insistence that 'Pride' and 'Pride' are comparable.Morning_star
- As for his attack on Elliot, i don't think he's wrong from a medical/psychologica... perspective. Elliot has a genuine issue with gender and has made the quite...Morning_star
- ...extreme decision to have corrective surgery. In JP eye, this doen't address the underlying psychological issues and is likely to cause Elliot problems in...Morning_star
- ...the future.Morning_star
- The doctor that performed the surgery has likely done it without the necessary psychological care that is inherent in his hippocratic oath. JP feels that,...Morning_star
- ...it's not just a case of doing what the customer wants. There should be a complete duty of physical and mental careMorning_star
- Again you seem to be giving a more moderate version that is nowhere to be found in the words of the so-called expert himself.yuekit
- He doesn’t say there needs to be additional psychological care, instead he seems to be saying gender surgery should never be allowed at all.yuekit
- And then goes on to state that if this causes mental suffering for people who are transgender, too bad.yuekit
- We're looking at this through different lenses Yeukit. You're looking for reasons to criticise and take him down. And, I just see a clumsy but logical...Morning_star
- ...extension of his attempts to understand truth. I don't think his intentions are malicious I just think he's evolved...Morning_star
- ...into adopting shortform media channels and it doesn't do him any favours.Morning_star
- Just to be clear I don't spend much time hating on or worrying about Jordan Peterson lol...I do think the public would benefit from better quality discussion.yuekit
- This hysteria about trans people, whether you are on the left or right, has reached ridiculous levels. Less than 1% of college students identify as trans...yuekit
- The number of people getting gender surgery in the USA is on the order of several thousand per year in a country of 330 million.yuekit
- So in a world where trans people are more accepted what changes? Almost nothing...just like with gay marriage it's doubtful anyone will even notice unlessyuekit
- they go out searching for reasons to be offended (as Jordan Peterson apparently does). If you want to talk human nature, a far more interesting phenomenon mightyuekit
- be this ability to invent moral panics out of nothing...similar to the hysteria about Satanism in the 80s they talk about here.
https://archive.ph/4…yuekit - I think you just made his point for him, why should less than 1% of the population dictate the language everyone has to adopt. Language evolves naturally...Morning_star
- ...over time to reflect the common parlance of the day.Morning_star
- OK so Canada has this law that could penalize people for publicly misgendering someone...one person has been charged so far back in 2019. No other country hasyuekit
- Which side is panicking? Seems to me there far more bluster and faux offence from the LGBT camp than Peterson and his cohorts.Morning_star
- this that I'm aware of...also some irony in Peterson demanding total free speech but he wants to dictate other peoples' entire life choices.yuekit
- idles11
- Haha. So divisive. “If you even mention this one guy I’ll judge you as being an alt-right misogynist.” Hope Steph is doing alrightIanbolton
- Looks like Steph might have a few issues.Chimp
- lol , this isn’t divisive.monospaced
- Sounds like she has an issue with people who bring up this asshat as if he were intellectual.monospaced
- Works both waysdrgs
- Mono has a hard on for StephChimp
- excuse me?monospaced
- Jordan Peterson is a certified prick. Elitist whose expectations of others are disgusting in comparison to his own demands of freedom.imbecile
- I have a hard on for Stephpango
- pango has a hard-on for mono.Nairn
- https://nerdist.com/…Nairn
- why would anyone cite an idiot?oey_oey
- eh, originally Peterson had some interesting points to make, especially in regard to male responsibility, but he jumped the shark years ago.Nairn
- https://c.tenor.com/…pango
- peterson's relentless ad on yt seem desperate. fuck off already! i need to know what the kadashians are up to!pango
- But harsh. He’s alright. Some of his podcast episodes are good. He’s very smart. And he’s messages have help many young men who don’t have any voice of reasonshapesalad
- To hear in their lives. Plus. This Stephanie lady sounds really judgemental. Seems like the kind of woman that reads Woman’s Own magazine.shapesalad
- apple ciderbabydick_
- is he make more incels or less incels? he seems to be particularly popular among incels.pango
- if he's making less incels that's great. they're insufferable.pango
- make ciders, not incels!sted
- Let's start a thread to list things that aren't divisive. Someone already thinks that's a bad idea etc etc.MrT
- ^ A good night sleepbabydick_
- i jokingly asked a chick wtf is NFT cuz she's into crypto. she wouldn't stop talking about it for the rest of the night... never again.pango
- Sounds like she’s educated and knows quite wel what a waste of air Jordan is and that guys who are into him are probably pieces of shit.monospaced
- Of course Jordan’s supporters immediately invent imaginary issues with Stephanie because they’re too fuckinn retarded to say anything else.monospaced
- And then of course revert to childish sexual comments that only expose their own sexual ignorance.monospaced
- Not you chimp. You’re not that idiotic. Right?monospaced
- Steph wants to speak to Jordan's manager.Chimp
- I read it as a joke.dmay
- 12xu8
- the benzo face..neverscared
- dont get me wrong he can do what he wants but what did the gender swap have to do with the plot of s3?trooperbill
- accommodate the appearance difference and to avoid bad wig.pango
- those were some terrible wigsat the beginning of the season.pango
- yuekit-1
Peter Jordanson is back to tell you why the war in Ukraine happened...turns out it was because of wokeness and transgenders. Discuss...
- This actually starts off more reasonable than I expected, Peterson talks about geopolitics, the oil market..yuekit
- But then by about 10 minutes in he's ranting about Biden picking a black woman for the Supreme Court as if this somehow relates to Ukraine.yuekit
- The idea that Putin is a sincere Christian and that Russia is standing up for traditional moral values seems extremely dubious to say the least.yuekit
- @yeukit Your focus on two out of context points is not particularly charitable. He merely questions whether rejecting 18 out of 20 potential candidates to...Morning_star
- ...ensure a Black Female is the best thing for the country.Morning_star
- Give me some credit, I actually did listen to most of the video lol. His main point is that Russia is waging a war against the morally degenerate West.yuekit
- I think his main point is that Putin is not Russia and whatever the west does now to Putin will have lasting consequences.Morning_star
- The video is called "Civil War in the West", and yeah he seem to be saying it's a war of traditional values (represented by Putin's Russia) against wokeness.yuekit
- Internet Rule #4: Though shalt always construct a title with maximum emotional response and minimum factual relevance.Morning_star
- He's such a benzo faggotbabydick_
- Russia is such a role model with its authoritarian faggy ass shit. You need to be super retarded to say anything good about that fucking cancer of a countrybabydick_
- BabyDick, If you replaced Russia with USA in your post it's still entirely true. Good job.Morning_star
- I actually can say a few nice things about USA, so fuck offbabydick_
- Unlikely.Morning_star
- I'd know which country I'd want to live ininteliboy
- By choice? neither?Ianbolton
- uan0
- garbage0
This is preaching to the crowd to anybody that has had to spend a good bit of time fact-checking Peterson's bullshit, but I'm curious if any of his defenders can watch this short video and come away defending him as an intellectual.
It's a very facts over feelings watch.
- Jesuz, this is unwatchable. 2 word clip -> jump cut to reaction, 2 more words, "so what you're saying is". I had high hopes, but I couldn't do 5 mins.monNom
- You're never going to credibly pick apart an argument like this. It's gotta be -> the full thought -> steel-man their argument -> here's why that is wrong.monNom
- You can't really criticise someones intellectual ability posting a video like this.Chimp
- This guy is more unbearable than PetersonIanbolton
- @Chimp Why? He absolutely debunks all of Peterson's bullshit with citations, and fully sketches out why he's a charlatan.garbage
- But he doesn'tChimp
- Oh, so you didn't watch it. Got ya. Otherwise you would have gotten to the whole white supremacy part, how Jordan cherry-picks from scientific studies..garbage
- ..how the authors of those studies have publicly said his conclusions are disingenuous, his crypto white supremacy, and how he's really just a self-help guru.garbage
- That again, is fully cited. If you actually watched it all (I assume you didn't), then that must be some killer Kool-Aid.garbage
- What a bunch of delicate fuckfaces. I'm watching the whole video and I'll shit on your ugly faces later.b_a_b_y_d_i_c_k
- Chimp0
- This is a more intelligent discussion on how Peterson has changed over the past couple of years.Chimp
- Yeah I think David Fuller is one of the more thoughtful members of the IDW or heterodox...whatever they're calling it these days.yuekit
- Peterson was too at one point but as the video explains he's now pandering to his more extreme audience.Chimp
- mort_5
LOL maybe you’re doing it wrong?
- Benny Shaps can't even get his wife's fanny wet.PhanLo
- “When someone comes along and expresses him or herself as freely as they think, people flock to it. j.roganneverscared
- That guy is so annoying. A Mr know-it-all wannabe.NBQ00
- you have so much in common, though. you each believe it's the woman's fault you haven't been able to satisfy her.imbecile
- PhanLo1
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- b_a_b_y_d_i_c_k-1
"Think about Europe. Secular people all over the world make pilgrimages to Europe. But why? Because of the beauty. Obviously. I mean, that's self-evident. And, it's partly because there are things in Europe that are so beautiful they take your breath away, right? They make your hair stand on and they fill you with a sense of awe. And, we need to see those things. It's not optional. We need to see those things. The cathedrals."
An excerpt from Jordan Peterson: Life, Death, Power, Fame, and Meaning | Lex Fridman Podcast #313
- People come to Europe and marvel that they don't have to cross 12 lane motorways to go to the shops.PhanLo
- You can't cross 12-lane motorways without god in your heart, buckob_a_b_y_d_i_c_k
- :-)PhanLo
- Haha_niko
- I always get an erection when I visit the Palazzo della Civiltà Italiana.palimpsest
- Was he crying when tried to pass off his feelings as fact? What a stupid take, but I don't expect much from him.garbage
- https://i.kym-cdn.co…pango
- woofgarbage
- b_a_b_y_d_i_c_k-3
"We locked everything down for Covid. How much face to face communication was there between the West and Vladimir Putin? How about none? How about that was the wrong amount, especially given that Europe was completely dependent on Putin for its energy supplies... Well, not completely, but you know what I mean. Materially and significantly. So, maybe had to go talk to him once every six months? Maybe he's in a bit in a bubble? Probably."
An excerpt from Jordan Peterson: Life, Death, Power, Fame, and Meaning | Lex Fridman Podcast #313
