Flash is back?
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- prophetone0
- i fucking LOVED that magazine...still have most of my issues on a shelf in the office...exador1
- me tooprophetone
- wow i think i'm in that issue, before i became shit. Hummm well thinking about it i was shit then too but yeah good times.voxel1
- ESKEMA0
If all the sites look alike these days it's not because flash is dead, it's because people are lazy and the internet evolved to a point where anyone can pick a template and make a website. Those same people wouldn't had you hired for a shiny Flash site anyway because what they want is a cheap and quick site.
My mind is blown away everyday with new stuff I see being written in HTML5 / JS, it is evolving quickly and awesomely. All the people who whine about Apple killing Flash are in the same position Adobe was, boring whining denial, that instead of looking forward and learning new tools, just sit there and look at the past.- 1000% agree with youbyname
- +1uan
- agree about the cheap and quick site.Hombre_Lobo
- Let's stop talking about Flash being dead because that's not true.. it's bullshit. Flash is still far more present and used than HTML5.monolith
- HTML5.monolith
- Hombre_Lobo0
@uan
"well, we need to polish our skills to accomplish that lost level, and that is actually happening right now on the web, remember that nike site with the parallax scrolling thing, or how about http://intothearctic.gp/ ."
Sadly those sites don't work on mobile. So they may as well have just been made in Flash."Building amazing webpages is not a question of tools at your disposal, but of creativity."
You're absolutely right. I totally agree.
But having a tool that does the job better and way easier, really helps speeds things up.(And I'm not implying you're pro HTML5 or against flash, you seem quite open minded about it. Just responding.)
- Hombre_Lobo0
@formed
"So far, nothing out there runs with the reliability that Flash did. Also, how can anyone support a company that dictates what runs on it? There should be a choice on what you want - anything on the internet!"I'm so pleased someone else see's this.
Particularly as creatives and designers, im surprised more people aren't outraged that a company has dictated what is and isn't a valid web format in your field of work.
Dont get me wrong i like apple products. I love my ipad and I work on an imac, they're decent products. But all this Flash business is odd.
- So why the FUCK did you dicks buy iPhones if you wanted Flash?monospaced
- That's like saying "why did you buy a car if you don't want to burn oil"formed
- Wow mono is getting a little upset defending his religion. I didn't buy an iPhone.Hombre_Lobo
- It's not a religion, it's a tirade against your retarded logic. You blame one company for killing ANOTHER company's product.monospaced
- ESKEMA0
don't want to hurt feelings or be rude to nobody but sorry, that's really stupid. Blame one company that wants more control over their platform but leads for open web standards, instead of a company, with a closed platform, controlling the web with its proprietary format. I mean. That's just insane.
As we stand now, we are not bound by any company to dictate what we use on the web, before, we were dependant on the Adobe whims. Adobe can still make Flash Mobile and release it to Android. Why don't they do it? Because they can't.
Wake the fuck up.
- uan0
yes, pretty open minded about the web as medium and how it evolves continually.
intothearctic works pretty well on last generations mobiles. this mobile things are getting lots of cpu/ram power (man, think about what's coming in 1-5 generations). and mobile is a big number in webstats, page-hits. + page is open to search engines and other crawlers. and it prints better than flash ever did, ok maybe not so important, but it's a +.
about the tools, I think it's the browsers and AdobeCS. chrome/safari with webkit dev tools are powerfull things you get for free right know. and for the design, well ps/ai/fw/.../flash and the new adobe ones muse, edge things and so on.
- ukit20
"Sadly those sites don't work on mobile. So they may as well have just been made in Flash. So they may as well have just been made in Flash."
Isn't the main inspiration for these new parallax and scrolling HTML sites the iPad?
- sorry butchered your quote...need coffee:)ukit2
- Lol, np.
Yeh I thought the point was for them to work on mobile, but they don't :/Hombre_Lobo
- chossy0
The point is that you could have had a choice of flash or html5 and apple denied that choice by denying the use of flash.
So now if I want something done I have to wait fucking ages for a programmer to hammer out the site then it doesn't work or look the same on each browser etc etc etc and you end up chasing browser bugs.
I am pro choice people. I think it's wisest to have a choice. Clients got used to inexpensive flash sites and quick turn arounds and things that looked the same no matter what browsers they are viewed on. Now all you hear is 'but why it wasn't like this before, how come its taking longer it used to be simple, how come its different on this computer, why do I have to upgrade, this runs incredibly slowly, this doesn't show up, the corners aren't rounded on this browser, oh that browser doesn't handle that functionality etc etc etc
- Exactly. That's what I hear. It is a tough sell, so we all end up with WP templates. Sigh.formed
- people are waking up though.monolith
- Well said chossy. More choice is surely better! Flash cross browser reliability was awesome.Hombre_Lobo
- FUCKING BULLSHIT. Apple didn't deny the choice, they provided you with the option NOT to buy/use their phone.monospaced
- You could have bought any one of dozens of phones that DID run flash. Stop being bitter bitches.monospaced
- monolith0
Flash never left.. it just got better and better while HTML also improved (albeit slowly) and now there are things that it's better to chose HTML5 for just because it makes sense.. so in that sense Flash usage had a dent for simpler things.
For rich interactive experiences and creative things Flash is still daddy, no question about that. Not only that but you can now literally build an awesome experience for a desktop and with very little modification push the same thing on mobile through AIR.
HTML5 is failing btw.. most big companies today have realized that
A) HTML5/JS/CSS development is a nightmare for any serious work, especially on mobile, so now they are switching to pure native for example.B) HTML5 development is actually very costly with all the fallbacks, inconsistencies and compatibility issues, so those who got burned are now using Flash again for rich interactive experiences because they realized they are paying 3x the price for HTML5 stuff when they don't have to, especially since all that HTML5 stuff they build only works on desktops right and becomes a whole new problem if you want to use it on mobile browsers.
So the whole argument that Flash doesn't make sense is down the drain because if you have to build and optimize things for mobile with HTML5 as opposed to building things once for desktop and mobile, the whole ubiquity argument falls apart and begs the question WHY?
I think both co-exist just fine now. People are realizing that Flash is good for certain things, HTML5/JS/CSS is good for some other things and purely native is good for completely other things. That's how it was with technology always.. Only with Apple and the JS/HTML monkeys who never learned anything else everything else had to die for HTML5 to live and that's certainly complete nonsense.
- omg0
Flash is disposable technology. Simply put. Everyone comes together, puts all their hard work into creating it, and then after a couple months, you throw it away! You wipe the lipstick off, and you put on a new coat for the next customer. Not to disrespect any prostitutes out there, but theres a lot of big brands out there with a bag of cocaine and a wad of cash looking for a good time. Shake that Flash machine, you can get a piece of it.
- monolith0
and how is that different from HTML5 sites? Today companies are building and spending 3 times more money doing things in HTML5 and then they revert and dump it.
LinkedIn is the last in a line of big companies
Why LinkedIn dumped HTML5 & went native for its mobile apps
http://venturebeat.com/2013/04/1…Tons of sites that were made with HTML5 as a "showcase" were now all back to Flash.
It has nothing to do with Flash.. it's the type of work. Whether it's Flash or HTML is irrelevant so stop talking out of your ass.
- That's apps, not sites. very different. Who would build a social network in flash anyway??ESKEMA
- chrisRG0
and of course this thread would turn into the same old religion html5 vs Flash, hard to believe people still arguing about that. It's amazing how people take a side and get blinded by it.
Do people realise Google is trying to do the same as Adobe with Chrome?
- Yes. And I'm sure they will also fail. they're sacrificing the open web for their OS.ESKEMA
- I'm trying to have more of a discussion, but it does descend into the same old blind loyalties.Hombre_Lobo
- It might be time to jump ship on this thread, I've learnt some new stuff though.Hombre_Lobo
- omg0
This is what I get from these Flash can do it better threads...
HTML = Hamburger Helper
but
Flash = Hamburger Helper with Cheese!
- Hombre_Lobo0
@eskema
"don't want to hurt feelings or be rude to nobody but sorry, that's really stupid. Blame one company that wants more control over their platform but leads for open web standards, instead of a company, with a closed platform, controlling the web with its proprietary format. I mean. That's just insane.""As we stand now, we are not bound by any company to dictate what we use on the web, before, we were dependant on the Adobe whims."
Dude you make no sense.
apple don't allow flash, so WE ARE BOUND by a company to dictate what we use on the web.You're saying that by banning the use of one web format, that makes the web more open? That's some backwards logic there.
"Adobe can still make Flash Mobile and release it to Android. Why don't they do it? Because they can't. Wake the fuck up."
So how do you explain when flash was running on my old android phone fine? They stop support because ios sales are greater than flash demand.
*Spanish accent* Maybe it is you who needs to wake up.- Adobe stopped supporting it because they couldn't get their shit together in time.monospaced
- Apple allows Flash on desktop..
Android is in greater numbers than iOS. So what gives?ESKEMA - Exactly.monospaced
- android was in far fewer numbers than apple at the start of this in 2007.Hombre_Lobo
- couldnt get their shit together?
Flash worked on android. what was the problem?Hombre_Lobo - Maybe you havent seen an android phone running it as you seem completely unaware that it did.Hombre_Lobo
- I know that it ruined. That's why I said what I said. Maybe I should repeat. --- >ESKEMA
- Why did Adobe tanked it if it was running fine??? Do you believe it is because of one phone?ESKEMA
- OF COURSE it ran on Androids. That's my fuckign point! You can't blame Apple if it was on other phones!monospaced
- *ruined = runnedESKEMA
- monospaced0
@Hombre
Are you implying that because ONE PHONE didn't support one web plug-in that it killed it completely? Please, it's ridiculous. Anyone could have bought a phone that DID run Flash.
- monospaced0
On a side note, I spent the day yesterday using Adobe Edge Animate along with Muse and created something similar to what could only be done in Flash before. Looks like Adobe's definitely moving in the right direction, and no plugins required.
- Yeh Ive checked out those apps, they can do some cool stuff.Hombre_Lobo
- but they still don't have the cross browser reliability of flash. Nor are they capable of the same things.Hombre_Lobo
- I tried it on all browsers, works great!monospaced
- lessfloor0
- love this bitch - we just had facetime!lessfloor
- DAYYUUUMHombre_Lobo
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- raf0
When iPhone came about, Flash was already on its way out.
Jobs didn't "kill" Flash, he just noticed it wasn't moving and flies were gathering over it.
- I thought Flash was still widely popular at the time. what makes you think that?Hombre_Lobo
- It was - at its height if anything.mikotondria3
- There were "is Flash still ok" threads before iPhone, many people said video player use kept it alive.raf
- I already had seen a decline in Flash work. Also, AS3 was a nod towards programmers and another FY to designers.raf
- Many good Flash designers never made the jump to AS3, stayed in AS2 while learning JS/jQuery.raf
- Adobe wanted to make Flash a programming platform like Java, hence attempts to make AS a 'serious' language...raf
- ...and courting 'serious programmers' while forgetting about the design crowd who had made Flash great first.raf
- Hombre_Lobo0
@Mono
"Are you implying that because ONE PHONE didn't support one web plug-in that it killed it completely?"How do you find that so hard to understand?
When you say 'one phone', you're referring to the most popular and ubiquitous phone (at the start of this in 2007/2008), its not surprising businesses didn't want flash.
its been spelt out several times by different people in this thread.
Maybe you need smaller words and visual aids.
- Llyod0
What's going to replace it? HTML5 sure as hell can't.
- js libraries and css3/4 ?
It's some time off yet.mikotondria3 - Will it match the animation abilities? That's what I miss mostLlyod
- js libraries and css3/4 ?