Flash is back?
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- chrisRG0
again, this is not about Adobe vs Apple.
this is about doing a better job, a better experience for users, what ever if it's webgl, canvas, flash, css3...
if you're not capable of decide what's best or if you avoid using tech X, well, just because someone said or just because it's from company Y, upload a plain png in a responsive boilerplate template.
- vaxorcist0
I honestly think flash could come back,....
but only if Adobe went... back to the future....
like, taking flash circa 10 or 12 years ago, renaming it "FlashLite"... timeline, simple 5 line snippets of actionscript, maybe some lightweight JSON or such connection stuff, and the timeline and shape tweening that designers loved so much... and make damn sure it ran really fast in tiny amounts of RAM.... and didn't need updating for security holes every 2 weeks.... just make it simple and make it work and we can party like it's 1999.....
- I feel like if they had done this back in '07 then Apple might not have objected wholeheartedly to supporting it in iOSmonospaced
- of course they would object.it doesn't change the reasons why apple disallowed flash.Hombre_Lobo
- but i do like to party...Hombre_Lobo
- monolith0
Flash never left.. it just got better and better while HTML also improved (albeit slowly) and now there are things that it's better to chose HTML5 for just because it makes sense.. so in that sense Flash usage had a dent for simpler things.
For rich interactive experiences and creative things Flash is still daddy, no question about that. Not only that but you can now literally build an awesome experience for a desktop and with very little modification push the same thing on mobile through AIR.
HTML5 is failing btw.. most big companies today have realized that
A) HTML5/JS/CSS development is a nightmare for any serious work, especially on mobile, so now they are switching to pure native for example.B) HTML5 development is actually very costly with all the fallbacks, inconsistencies and compatibility issues, so those who got burned are now using Flash again for rich interactive experiences because they realized they are paying 3x the price for HTML5 stuff when they don't have to, especially since all that HTML5 stuff they build only works on desktops right and becomes a whole new problem if you want to use it on mobile browsers.
So the whole argument that Flash doesn't make sense is down the drain because if you have to build and optimize things for mobile with HTML5 as opposed to building things once for desktop and mobile, the whole ubiquity argument falls apart and begs the question WHY?
I think both co-exist just fine now. People are realizing that Flash is good for certain things, HTML5/JS/CSS is good for some other things and purely native is good for completely other things. That's how it was with technology always.. Only with Apple and the JS/HTML monkeys who never learned anything else everything else had to die for HTML5 to live and that's certainly complete nonsense.
- utopian0
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- uan0
there are still some things you can't do fast and right in html/js, but it's only a matter of time for this technologies to catch up with flash.
meanwhile if your client wants a highly sophisticated audio visual experience, flash is still a valid option.just don't use flash to fade some text or embed fonts nowadays.
- formed0
Jesus. Just bring Flash back and let's get back to an interesting web and start making progress again!!
:-)
- it was never gone, dudemonospaced
- seriously? It was killed the moment Jobs declared it soformed
- Totally agree formed, but you're wasting your breath on mono.Hombre_Lobo
- When Steve said he wouldn't support it ONE phone, it was NOT dead. Adobe killed mobile a long time after.monospaced
- I can't lose this argument.monospaced
- you lost this argument long ago mono...
Mobile Market share killed a web format. It's simple.Hombre_Lobo - That's an interesting point. I was not aware the iPhone launched with any share, or that it had the majority at any point.monospaced
- also, Flash is still an application. It's always been alive and well. You're saying that everything is mobile, and it's not.monospaced
- formed0
I wonder if it is inevitable? I thought it was, like everyone else, but it has been years and we are quite a bit away from that (really, almost identical to where Flash was 13+ years ago).
It'll be interesting to see. Happy that some are still choosing Flash.
- ideaist0
Until iOS supports flash*, it will never get its legs again...
*this will not happen.
- Hombre_Lobo0
@eskema
"don't want to hurt feelings or be rude to nobody but sorry, that's really stupid. Blame one company that wants more control over their platform but leads for open web standards, instead of a company, with a closed platform, controlling the web with its proprietary format. I mean. That's just insane.""As we stand now, we are not bound by any company to dictate what we use on the web, before, we were dependant on the Adobe whims."
Dude you make no sense.
apple don't allow flash, so WE ARE BOUND by a company to dictate what we use on the web.You're saying that by banning the use of one web format, that makes the web more open? That's some backwards logic there.
"Adobe can still make Flash Mobile and release it to Android. Why don't they do it? Because they can't. Wake the fuck up."
So how do you explain when flash was running on my old android phone fine? They stop support because ios sales are greater than flash demand.
*Spanish accent* Maybe it is you who needs to wake up.- Adobe stopped supporting it because they couldn't get their shit together in time.monospaced
- Apple allows Flash on desktop..
Android is in greater numbers than iOS. So what gives?ESKEMA - Exactly.monospaced
- android was in far fewer numbers than apple at the start of this in 2007.Hombre_Lobo
- couldnt get their shit together?
Flash worked on android. what was the problem?Hombre_Lobo - Maybe you havent seen an android phone running it as you seem completely unaware that it did.Hombre_Lobo
- I know that it ruined. That's why I said what I said. Maybe I should repeat. --- >ESKEMA
- Why did Adobe tanked it if it was running fine??? Do you believe it is because of one phone?ESKEMA
- OF COURSE it ran on Androids. That's my fuckign point! You can't blame Apple if it was on other phones!monospaced
- *ruined = runnedESKEMA
- monospaced0
@Hombre
Are you implying that because ONE PHONE didn't support one web plug-in that it killed it completely? Please, it's ridiculous. Anyone could have bought a phone that DID run Flash.
- fues0
Adobe has added a HTML 5 canvas mode to the last version of CC, so I think as a tool it still has loads of potential.
- monospaced0
On a side note, I spent the day yesterday using Adobe Edge Animate along with Muse and created something similar to what could only be done in Flash before. Looks like Adobe's definitely moving in the right direction, and no plugins required.
- Yeh Ive checked out those apps, they can do some cool stuff.Hombre_Lobo
- but they still don't have the cross browser reliability of flash. Nor are they capable of the same things.Hombre_Lobo
- I tried it on all browsers, works great!monospaced
- chossy0
It's really simple.
Flash = Totally rad sites that look the same on whatever browser you are using and do cool shit.
HTML5 = Pot luck and enjoy your blog / template. Here is a big bill.
- lolhereswhatidid
- Your first post says you are primarily a front end / wordpress coder... so yeah enjoy your blog.chossy
- enjoy your dead platform :)hereswhatidid
- It's back coder :D haven't you heard.chossy
- export to html5 canvas != return of all flash web sites, not by a long shothereswhatidid
- either way, I'm not going to argue about flash being back. like I said, flash was great for a while, now the web has moved onhereswhatidid
- onhereswhatidid
- well said chossy.Hombre_Lobo
- chrisRG0
^ exactly.
but it's nice to see agencies doing the best of it, when they obviously have budget to split between desktop and tablet/mobile versions of the same job.
- utopian0
I can't view any of those websites from my iPad, what is up wit dat?
- lessfloor0
- love this bitch - we just had facetime!lessfloor
- DAYYUUUMHombre_Lobo
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- Best movie ever!GM278
- ayport0
out of curiosity, do tools exist like the flash software to build presentations in jquery for example?
- qTime0
It says I need to update to the latest version of Flash.
Daddy, what was Flash?