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- PhanLo1
It's a free market bro
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- The heavy metals in baby food occur naturally in human breast milk and lots of foods in high levels but NOT dangerous levels.Morning_star
- https://health.cleve…Morning_star
- It's not a free market if there's a federal limit regulating heavy metal levels. It's government regulation.palimpsest
- Are you complaining that it's not a free market, bro?palimpsest
- There should be more heavy metal in babyfood, exactly.PhanLo
- That still regulation. If your want a free market Co.s should decide how much heavy metal to put in. It would be up to the consumer to pick the best product.palimpsest
- That's what a true liberal would be for.palimpsest
- Companies do decide how much metal to put in. Just enough that babies don't get brain damage.PhanLo
- That tweet says government regulates the amount though. Are we even talking about the same thing?palimpsest
- https://en.wikipedia…
https://en.wikipedia…
@palimpsest learn the difference.sted - It also says there's a congressional investigation. And your comment is "It's a free market bro" ?!
*shrugspalimpsest - There's the government regulations and there's what the company can get away with. Like our parents talking about lead in sweets, it's fun times.PhanLo
- @sted
Horseshoe theory. Everybody to the right of where I stand looks the same to me.
; )palimpsest - And, yes, I am aware that's not what horseshoe theory is.palimpsest
- Why are they putting Metalica in baby food?Chimp
- in my experience it’s liberals who are into regulation and safetymonospaced
- The misunderstood ‘heavy metals’ argument is also the same anti-vaxxers use. TBH I do like a bit of Slayer in my vaccines.Morning_star
- Years someone pumped machine gun bullets into the bodies of children and no one did anything. You think they give a shit about baby food????futurefood
- Free heavy metals for all children under 5utopian
- Unfortunately it’s not just baby food. Rice, carrots, sweet potato. We are fucked.ben_
- Some plants accumulate certain metals, including arsenic (ok, a semi-metal) naturally. Rice particularly because of concentrates in paddy fields.Nairn
- utopian0
American billionaires could fund two-thirds of Biden's COVID-19 relief package just using profits generated during the pandemic, a report shows.
The total wealth of US billionaires rose $1.3 trillion amid the pandemic, the ATF and IPS said.
This could fund two-thirds of Biden's $1.9 trillion COVID-19 rescue plan.
The momentum for measures that address wealth inequality has grown during the pandemic.
- Utopian, why is this a problem?Morning_star
- Amazing how we let these corporations get this big without paying taxes. This will literally cost us the world soon.grafician
- Yeah utopian, why is grotesque wealth concentration in a year where half a million of your citizens died and unemployment tripled a problem?i_monk
- You some sorta commi?i_monk
- i_monk, how are the wealth concentration and the current health crisis connected?Morning_star
- A ton of reasons...unemployme... businesses failings, then the trillions that are going out to support (which has only done a little to slow bankruptcies)formed
- How can anyone, for a nanosecond, not be disgusted with the wealth divide, the number of high(est) earners and corps pay pennies in taxes?formed
- Disgusted? Why should i be disgusted? I'm more disgusted by people who proselytise from the sidelines because of ill-perceived fantasy injustice.Morning_star
- Why are you fighting for the billionaires? Do you imagine they'll see your fealty and whisk you away in their blimps?i_monk
- Poverty and evictions are not fantasies. Pandemic debt that'll be repaid with austerity for everyone but the rich is not fantasy.i_monk
- Small businesses forced to close while billionaire-owned big boxes are deemed essential is not a fantasy.i_monk
- Profiteering on a crisis is not a fantasy.i_monk
- The fantasy is that it is somehow the responsibility of the wealthy to solve a public health crisis cause largely by political clowns and an ignorant populace.Morning_star
- You said 'injustice fantasy' so that's what I replied to. And I wasn't talking about the health crisis, I was talking about the economic crisis it's spawned,i_monk
- which they've profited immensely from, which they won't pay for.i_monk
- And if you think politicians aren't under the sway of these billionaires and their empty promises, you're just as ignorant as the people you look down on,i_monk
- What's the difference between the independent burger restaurant that's taken advantage of the lockdown and is doing very well delivering delicious food and...Morning_star
- ...the lockdown increase in Amazon orders?Morning_star
- My point is that there are winners and losers across the business spectrum. There are billionaires that have lost their shirts because they weren't agile...Morning_star
- ...enough to restructure their investments or business offerings and there are small business who have had to close because they lost all their custom. The...Morning_star
- ...suggestion that Covid has uniquely benefited billionaires and so they should foot the bill for the vaccine is ridiculous.Morning_star
- shapesalad2
"The critical factor behind this is the same thing which plagues nearly every part of any modernized society: usury. Once one understands the modern monetary system (specifically the critical role of debt in it) then so many things about the economy and human action make clear sense. Debt is the key driver behind the downfalls of many a great civilization and it continues to destroy silently and secretly from within any society it ensnares.
I recommend any youtube talk about debt / monetary system by Michael Hudson or Richard Werner. If you cannot come to terms with how debt totally dominates and distorts society you will forever be baffled by all of the oddities of modern life. Its effects transcend cultural boundaries, ruining diverse peoples all the same.
Were consumer debt to banned then housing, auto, education would all need to be priced such as to be affordable now with salaries earned in the present, rather than front-loading 30 years of future labor into a purchase made in the here and now. As it is today people are locked into debt serfdom to financial oligarchs whom create debt out of thin air (yes, mortgage loans and consumer debt are conjured out of literally nothing - it is not savings of person A being lent out to person B, but rather brand new money created from nowhere which exists as a mere accounting entry on a bank balance sheet). If you do the simple mortgage math a 30-year mortgage at current interest rates leads to about half of your payments going to the financial oligarchs as interest - interest they charge on money they created out of thin air at zero effort. In effect they lay claim on half of the labor you worked over a 30-year period just becuase they have the oligarchic privlege to create money out of thin air. Had you the privilege to create money out of nothing you could live high on the hog as well.
It is no mystery why things are getting worse worldwide despite all the propaganda obfuscation which claims otherwise.
No consumer debt, prices will plummet and be affordable to purchases made with savings earned with present incomes. That price differential is the savings not transferred off to the oligarchs.
With all of that production being returned to the worker rather than being transferred to the financial oligarch, who knows how much more abundant families would be. Families wouldn't live in debt serfdom, their labor would remain theirs to support larger families, and the regular people of the world would prosper, rather than the financial oligarchs as the modern system currently does.
Specific to the question of declining birth rates, another major factor is the modern devolution of having both parents leave the home in order to support a family. For thousands of years up until the modern age of the past century, both parents worked within the vicinity of their home. Think farmers, or European peasants tending their crops, or a shopkeeper who lives above his shop, or the such. But the modern age brought about a devolution in which people need travel tens of miles for an hour each day just to reach a location in which they can labor to support their families.
Get at least one parent back into the households on a full-time basis and watch birth rates rise. You'd also see local communities flourish again rather than empty out between 8am - 6pm every day. Combine this with a ban on consumer debt and you'd have both a cultural and economic revival. Or, don't, and we can continue sending our labor to financial oligarchs and spouses can continue competing against one another to drive down their wages (as supply of labor goes up, so too does competition, and thus down goes price, which in this case is your salary). Of course any one family which opts out will be crushed as all the other families still opt-in and thus out-bid you with their usurious mortgages and drive down your salary. But financial oligarchs and global corporate tycoons love that.
It has to be done at a societal level enforced by both culture and law." - Davis Blank. Youtube comment:
- Housing is the highest cost anyone has. Buy one, even if going in debt, pay down as quick as you can a man to avoid interest. As soon as it’s paid, you are freetoemaas
- _niko7
Yanis Varoufakis: Capitalism has become 'techno-feudalism'
- but...but...utopian
- Continuity on TV again.NBQ00
- Lol @NBQ!!!OBBTKN
- :)Continuity
- palimpsest-5
The rich are not the problem, the problem are the poor.
- Deep.NBQ00
- Keep the rich, get rid of the poor.
How do you like them apples?palimpsest - Yes round them up and shoot ‚em all. Poverty ended.NBQ00
- LOL
You didn't have to show your hand so early in the game.palimpsest - LolGnash
- You’re poor.monospaced
- You are percipient.palimpsest
- I'm sure you're of those people that think that there's nothing wrong with being poor.palimpsest
- Hedgefund lives matterGnash
- https://i.imgur.com/…
: )palimpsest - you clowns, we're all poormonospaced
- You identify as poor? I'm sure you're going to teach me a lot about poverty.
Fucking clown.palimpsest - Yes. I have a house worth less than $1M, I have 1 kid, and my retirement might be sufficient for us. That's borderline poverty in relation to what wealthy is.monospaced
- LolzGnash
- Oh shit, you actually went full Bozo.
Bravo, bravissimo!palimpsest
- mort_-1
- Scientists would create banana stickers that the other monkeys could trade. 1 banana sticker would be equal to 40k bananas.palimpsest
- Everyone wins!palimpsest
- If 1 monkey is able to hoard all the bananas while the other monkeys are sitting on their ass starving doesn't that monkey deserve to be on the cover of Forbes?palimpsest
- In this analogy, other monkeys would need to glorify the banana-rich monkey.nb
- And shouldn't scientists be asking themselves why are these idiot monkeys eating bananas in the first place?palimpsest
- Why aren't the starving monkeys using the resources available to them? What kind of environment are they living in?palimpsest
- Why focus all the research resources on that one idiot monkey hoarding the bananas instead of actually solving the problem of starving monkeys?palimpsest
- The focus on the accumulation of "wealth" rather having basic needs covered is what is wrong with this capitalist based science.palimpsest
- The reality of this particularly idiotic analogy is that they monkeys with no bananas would get together and tear the banana hoarder to fucking peices. Because.Morning_star
- ..they're fucking animals and have no law, commerce, healthcare, roads, schools, hospitals, military etc etc.Morning_star
- My job here is done.
￣|○palimpsest - I think you'll find the monkey that hoards all the banana's can't eat all the banana's as they rot and ferment. So he too dies. And the monkeys go extinct.shapesalad
- Nathalie, that's a bad comparison. You should've made this example: What if Nestlé or an other corp was privatizing drinking water and hoarded it all.NBQ00
- ...while most humans had no access to drinking water and had to buy it from Nestlé & co.NBQ00
- @Morning, that doesn't happen. Primates have strong social communities, with hierarchies and such, complete with respect and kinship.monospaced
- @mono You are joking aren't you. https://www.newscien…Morning_star
- @mono. They murder for fun. They have gangs that bully and rape. Not all species but primates have a very, very dark side.Morning_star
- "Some primatologists believe that up to 90% of male chimpanzees participate in murder at some point in their lives" https://youtu.be/ZT9…Morning_star
- It also turns out monkeys don't actually eat bananas, we've all been lied to.
https://www.business…yuekit - The article says this is rare. And that it underpins a complex social system.monospaced
- Literally one of nine known cases.monospaced
- “... tension between conflict and cooperation, which is central to the lives of chimpanzees and even to our own.” Yes. REALLY.monospaced
- Sounds like you really have it out for primates man. Especially non human ones. I actually don’t think we’re all as different as you do. Neither do experts.monospaced
- @mono I don’t think we’re different at all. The tweets claims that animals, particularly primates aren’t blessed with a selfish, violent anti-social side. You..Morning_star
- ...also claimed that they aren’t violent and murderous. They are. In the same way murder, rape and violence is rare in human society, it still occurs.Morning_star
- I only said that violence doesn't define them. Got the impression you were saying they are moralless savages who all murder all the time. That isn't true.monospaced
- NBQ001
7 year old Russian YouTuber Anastasia Radzinskaya has a net worth of about $83 Million that she (well, of course with the help of her parents) earned with her channel “Like Nastya” and other channels for kids.
Is it too late for us 30-40 year olds to start a kids YT channel?
- nb3
https://www.bbc.com/worklife/art…
Here’s the problem with mort’s post.
Monkeys do, in fact, display behaviors that reflect capitalism. None of the scientists think of this behavior has immoral or “wrong.” None of the monkeys do, either (as far as we know.) It is considered natural.
It is only humans that look at the behavior of other humans and then choose to either celebrate that man on the cover of Forbes, or to judge the whole thing to be immoral or “wrong.”
But is it not nature?
I would argue that it’s rather unscientific to cast judgements upon the morality of the humans or the monkeys. That sounds more like the church’s domain, to me.
The scientists don’t judge the monkeys. However, I’m not arguing that the monkeys’ behavior justifies the human behavior. I’m saying that it is only humans who judge other humans.
It’s the exact opposite of what mort’s retweet is arguing.
- mort's post does not understand science nor capitalism.palimpsest
- Was a silly analogy, I concur.mort_
- Yeah you're right, there's nothing unnatural about exploitation, nor genocide.Khurram
- Hence, nothing "immoral" either.Khurram
- Let's put all genocidal monkeys on the cover of Forbes!Khurram
- These monkeys should be venerated as the epitome of our civilization!!! :D :D :DKhurram
- If monkeys were capable of printing magazines, you're damn right they would put the #1 genocidal monkey warlord on the cover. And not some loser monkey.yuekit
- Inherent capitalism is a fact, but there is nothing to celebrate here, it must be taken as a tragedy, like monkey infant cannibalism. Monkey nature must be overdrgs
- overcomedrgs
- Hold on, now. I said the monkey behavior does NOT justify the human behavior. Monkeys are just stupid animals and people should do better!nb
- You're a pretty stupid animal yourself nb, I have to be honest.Khurram
- drgs0
Jeff Bezos Opens Homeless Shelter for Amazon Employees
https://www.thenordly.com/nordly…Can you call it employee benefits?
- utopian5
- Guys I don't think the trickle down is ever coming.i_monk
- InnovationNBQ00
- What a coincidence.omahadesigns
- *ask deathboyrenderedred
- it doesn't add up.oey_oey
- so it takes 0.2 trillion to bribe the government in order to pull this off?rzu-rzu
- Trickle up economicsChimp
- LESSON: money is not created or destroyed (in significant amounts.) It only moves from one place to another.nb
- Hard to add up when the formula is subtraction!noRGB
- If you get your knickers in a twist about this pretend equivalence you have no integrity.Morning_star
- Can you feed your familiy integrity? Live off integrity when you retire?i_monk
- Not sure what you mean i_monk. Are you suggesting it's ok to perpetuate bullshit comparisons to support a baseless agenda. Trump?Morning_star
- Explain what exactly you think is baseless.i_monk
- It is baseless to concluded that there is causation between the two headlines. It is baseless to also conclude that this is somehow 'capitalism'. The two...Morning_star
- ...are unconnected and unrelated. Yet it seems OK to some to try and apply causality and blame where there is none. This is exactly what Trump did.Morning_star
- [citation needed] on that unconnected/unrelate... claim.i_monk
- Are you going to contribute or are you happy being petty and evasive?Morning_star
- Says the evasive, petty propagandist.i_monk
- Yeh, didn't think so. Child.Morning_star
- Now you're just pretending the rich don't get richer by announcing mass layoffs, that corps don't spend more on stock buybacks than raises, that CEO bonuses arei_monk
- completely detached from performances, that furloughed workers still have fixed costs (with or without pandemic relief) that trickled up, that the rich don'ti_monk
- pay lower tax rates than their employees (when they pay at all), that corps were awarded pandemic relief and paid dividends anyway,i_monk
- that more and more of the global economy has shifted to precarious sub-living-wage employment while their 'contracting' (employers) spend billionsi_monk
- buying out the competition and laying off the surplus, and so on and on and on and on and on and on.i_monk
- FFS Amazon stole $61.7 million in tips from its drivers. You think that money wasn't counted as profit, and someone rewarded for doing it?i_monk
- When govts bail out industry, where do you think that money comes from? Whose services get reduced when austerity kicks in to pay for it?i_monk
- Now your turn, "child".i_monk
- Thanks dad. None of what you wrote explains the causation you insist exists between the two headlines.
The majority of the $3.7tr ‘lost’ by workers was a...Morning_star - ...direct result of the decrease in consumer spending leading to a decrease in income for businesses. To solve this jobs were lost or shifts were cancelled ...Morning_star
- ..., thus the decrease in earnings.
‘Billionaires get richer’ headlne is misleading, the assumption your making is that the ‘lost’ earnings of the workers ...Morning_star - ...is somehow finding its way into the Billionaires pockets. How exactly would that happen? the money (earnings) doesn’t exist. It hasn’t been spent by...Morning_star
- ...consumers. The ‘richer by 3.9trillion’ includes all manner of income largely unrelated to the pandemic. I would speculate that, that (3.9) figure would be...Morning_star
- ...higher if the pandemic didn’t exist. To suggest that one headline is a result of the other just isn’t true.Morning_star
- drgs3
Socialism gives freedom
- Hayomook shoots self in head.utopian
- His series will make Hayoth cry.
https://www.youtube.…PhanLo - Visit Scandinavia
https://www.youtube.…drgs - ^Lol.PhanLo
- i_monk1
Workers in India last week launched a general strike that brought out an estimated 250 million people, arguably the largest in human history. Now, they’re joining hands with farmers to protest Narendra Modi’s pro-corporate, far-right agenda.
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/…
Hayoth they're coming for you:
- Those are communist flags, to be clear.i_monk
- well, you learn from your own mistakes. not from mistakes of others.hotroddy
- yeah but... 'nobody has ever properly attempted communism', hotroddy
*gigglePonyBoy - the irony is i_monk posted about buying a pimped up barbque . it was developed and financed by an apple executive. he was so stoked to have purchased it.hotroddy
- something you could only develop in capitalist americahotroddy
- Is that irony?i_monk
- This is you: https://i.redd.it/wh…i_monk
- ^the road to hell is paved with good intentions.hotroddy
- yes, it's irony and I was trying to be nice. I don't want your bbq to leave a bad taste by calling it hypocrisy.hotroddy
- I wonder how many cubans can afford that bbq?hotroddy
- How many Americans can afford it?i_monk
- You may be overestimating the weight your opinion carries, btw.i_monk
- I will go out on a limb and say many Americans can afford it. For the same reason the whole world now have smart phone.hotroddy
- ...developed, enginneered and created for the american market place which is the most lucrative in the world.hotroddy
- does a cuban have the capital to A) develop it? and B) a market place to sell it inhotroddy
- Shopify became the biggest company in socialist canada ONLY because of it's access to American capital and businesseshotroddy
- I will go out on a limb and say a third of Americans couldn't afford it.i_monk
- I will also go out on a limb to say the 60 year embargo on Cuba should be the first consideration in any comparison of Cuba and capitalism.i_monk
- I don't have to go out on a limb to say Canada isn't socialist.i_monk
- cuba is the only true remaining communist country left. Which is why I compare it. Like all former communist countries, they are dying to go capitalisthotroddy
- but USA embargo won't let them unless there is a transition of power from an oppressive authoritarian regime to a fully democratic state.hotroddy
- so thanks to the 'embargo' they remain communist and poorhotroddy
- venezuela in contrast didn't have an embargo, and had the highest oil revenues in countries history for 20 years. Look at it now. 5 million people have fledhotroddy
- it's nice to talk fantasy, discuss how everyone will live, rich and happy under communism. and communist blame the system for it's failure..hotroddy
- ..when in reality it's the individual that is flawed. which is why it will never work in practicehotroddy
- Where does this flaw go when capitalism is the status quo? Miraculously cured?i_monk
- Why isn't capitalism condemned when capitalist economies/countries implode? Why isn't widespread poverty in the richest capitalist countries taken as evidencei_monk
- of deep flaws?i_monk
- Venezuela may not have been embargoed but it was sanctioned, Bush attempted a coup in 2002, etc. US has been fucking with Latin America for a century.i_monk
- You cheer on iphones and bbqs, but who put the first satellite and man in orbit? And when the US followed, wasn't it Nasa not a private capitalist?i_monk
- How many trillions of the global capitalist economy come directly from state-funded research in public universities?i_monk
- US has been helping Latin America by getting rid of all the dictators. Example: Panama is way better off today after removing a drug smuggler from power in 89hotroddy
- They tried to do the same for Venezuela in 2002 but unfortunately failed. Look at it today. Sanctions started in 2019.hotroddy
- USA funded Chavez's revolution for 15 years by buying their over priced shitty oil.hotroddy
- Venezuela is modern mad max. No security, no local currency, nothing to eat. no electricity, no water. They are worse than any country on African continenthotroddy
- China still buys their oil and the only argument they have is from ol' cuban handbook: 'USA sanctions' is the reason we live like animals and have nothinghotroddy
- Ironic you'd post on a day when reddit proved "the market will correct itself" is a lie sold to poor people.i_monk
- not sure what that is and a little off topic but ok.hotroddy
- imbecile1
- this is why I suck at business, I'd rather pay someone locally a decent rate than pay 10 people overseas to do the same job at half the price._niko
- what a crock. plenty of poor countries that used slavery. plenty of rich countries that didn't resort to slavery.hotroddy
- ...and Catholic countries didn't develop capitalist markets...and protestant countries didn't exploit indentured workforce long before slave trade... etcNonEntity
- on a whole- protestant countries did their own farming. catholic countries relied on slaves which is why they are banana republic states today. no work ethichotroddy
- But in this country, hotroddy, it was built on slavery. There was even a war over it.monospaced
- You mean wealthy southern families earned their wealth on slavery 150 years ago.hotroddy
- Highly skilled labor built this country. It was called the industrial revolutionhotroddy
- Maybe start a thread on American capitalism... plenty countries had slaves (and not just African) and are poor and vice versa, as hotroddy mentionedNonEntity
- there's a reason why the south was always poor. Because it relied on slavery and not on industry.hotroddy
- American experience isn't the only one, or necessarily the worst one, and doesn't speak for rest of the worldNonEntity
- Generally when Americans say anything that sounds universal they're only speaking of American history/etc.i_monk
- More specifically, MLK was also speaking about America, uniquelymonospaced
- is that why he ends it w 'abroad'? I'm surprised you put so much trust in a person with a 'doctorate' in theology.hotroddy
- If the dude had traveled to a country outside of USA which participated in slavery he'd quickly realize how wrong and ignorant he is.hotroddy
- that's why he has a doctorate in theology and not anthropologyhotroddy
- he says abroad because it's spread from here, of coursemonospaced
- I didn't put any trust in him either. He was a civil rights leader, who did great things, and symbolizes just that. His words are also true.monospaced
- you're slavery spread from the USA?hotroddy
- *you're sayinghotroddy
- "Capitalism continues to thrive on the exploitation of the poor here and abroad" is how you parse that last part.i_monk
- reminds me of Hugo Chavez who made a career spouting such nonsense. He destroyed a country by marginalizing the people who built the country that provided jobshotroddy
- utopian4
- https://www.youtube.…DRIFTMONKEY
- I thought this was the capitalism thread?NonEntity
- Cold dead hands!inv
- Thank fuck. These guys are responsible for nearly every single mass shooting in the past 50 years.i_monk
- From my cold broke hands!nb
- The NRA is responsible for mass shootings in the same way that Pottery Barn is responsible for making people fat, i_monk.MondoMorphic
- That's a stupid comparison and you know it.i_monk
- NBQ001
FC Barcelona “on the verge of bankruptcy”.
Catalan club said to be €1.1+ Billion in debt: https://www.barcablaugranes.com/…
- imbecile7
Corporations Would Literally Kill You to Turn a Profit
Coca-Cola killed trade unionists in Latin America. General Motors built vehicles known to catch fire. Tobacco companies suppressed cancer research. And Boeing knew that its planes were dangerous. Corporations don't care if they kill people — as long as it's profitable.
- aka US coronavirus responsesarahfailin
- https://i.imgur.com/…imbecile
- Fanta and IBM making the corpse counter machines too. Little bit of a marketing make over and it's AOK.PhanLo
- Bernie meme here...Beeswax
- nb2
Some elderly Canadians who own second homes in the USA are flying to the USA to get the vaccine sooner.
Do you think this is an indication that the American healthcare system is better than Canada? Really?!!?
Your federal tax dollars are buying vaccines for Canadians.
Canadians in Canada are receving the vaccine according to need, just like Americans. Now, who is paying for this? The government. (In other words, everyone.) When something really bad hit, suddenly America adopted "socialized medicine." Why? Because it makes way more sense.
Anyway, the point is this: under the US system, without a doubt at least a few American citizens will die from COVID-19 because the government decided to give it to some Canadian landowners first, for free.
Nothing about that indicates a better healthcare system.
- is that how you see it? really? how about the illegal Mexicans, el Salvadorans, Guatemalans?hotroddy
- if USA denied vaccines for any immigrant base you'd be criticizing the health care system for being discriminatory.hotroddy
- criticize the Canadian health care for being slow and bloated. Don't criticize the USA for doing the right thing.hotroddy
- What? I’m not criticizing immigrants, man. I’m saying that giving wealthy retired Canadians the vaccine first isn’t a sign of a “better” healthcare systemnb
- Lol Canadian snowbirds aren’t immigrants. Good grief!nb
- what are you saying? Canadians shouldn't get it but Mexicans should?hotroddy
- everybody gets vaccinate. no questions asked. Stop trying to make it about wealth, nationality, or whatever insecurity you're hung up onhotroddy
- much better than a system that's asks for proof of citizenship.hotroddy
- and I have canadian buddies who are flying their parents down for it and don't own any landhotroddy
- utopian3
Pandemic Failure, Vaccine Success Indict American Monopoly Capitalism
This vaccine victory is bittersweet. We have lost so many Americans to the virus, who didn’t have to die. Many of them died because of stubbornly pro-capitalist public policy.
- why are so many canadians flying down to Florida to get the FREE vaccine?hotroddy
- You're referring to those canadians who own property in Florida. Snowbirds. The hospitals aren't giving them the vaccine. They've said that flat out.monospaced
- Those that are, are doing it because they feel it's the right thing to do to get as many people vaccinated as possible.monospaced
- I guess what I'm saying is that the shit response that got us in this mess isn't cancelled out by giving the vaccine out without proof of residency.monospaced
- my point is that Canadians (with their free healthcare) are finding it easier to get it in Florida.hotroddy
- Also, snowbirds are 'residents' of Canada. If they were residents of USA they'd be American residents.hotroddy
- ignore my resident comment as I misunderstood your last pointhotroddy
- It's because your healthcare system has no control over who gets a vaccine, foreigners can just fly in and steal doses from your citizens. It's almostzarkonite
- impossible to jump the queue in Canada, we're stricly following scientific guidelines to distribute the vaccine.zarkonite
- So our self-entitled ass holes can fly down to America's used condom to get their shots.zarkonite
- There’s a strict queue and rollout schedule in most places based entirely on necessity and priority. He is focusing on like 3 hospitals only. Very small.monospaced
- You're so clueless the vaccine doesn't stop you from getting covid. You are so brainwashed Putopian.Hayoth
- @mono it's a florida thing, shocking =)zarkonite
