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- ********0
Diahhorates should be a word. I like it. You heard it here first, people.
- trooperbill0
@websuperhero i agree that many 'seo experts' talk a load of crap and ive got my self a bad name within the industry for not suffering such fools.
speaking personally all my methods are proven and ive a great track record in niches small and large (if a large niche is correct lol) ive charged from £50 per month upwards and all of the businesses that have trusted my services have profited, some even chosing to retain old sites and add big nasty buttons that lead to less effective agency built whizzy rubbish.
in my current role ive taken over some sites from a big name in the seo industy and all i can say is tht my new boss is exceptionally happy with my results.
if you dont wanna ask a question, done, but i genuinely believe that those who do will gain a little more enlightnment as the replies here are testiment to...
- oh and i sleep soundly, thankstrooperbill
- also nice to see youve contributed so heavily to qbn with your 0 posts - TROLL ALERTtrooperbill
- jamble0
Websuperhero,
Surely the simple use of multivariant testing using google tools can tell you exactly what effect small changes have on conversion etc?
- yah split testing roxtrooperbill
- conversion yes. not search. once a user is on a site thats down to good UX.********
- 23kon0
Good search engine optimisation can be achieved with good coding and design practice as well as good content, that is true.
Moth, if you find yourself designing a lot of websites then it's a good idea to read up a bit about this kind of stuff. This will make sure your designs "work" in that sense and that some SEO guy doesnt come along and arse about your designs.
If you know a decent amount then you can sell that as the benefits of a client choosing you over someone else, you can give them a decent amount of chance in SEO within the same cost. Then if you need more professional SEO advice then have a company you know and can trust to give value for money advice.
The perfect scenario for clients would be to pay for SEO based on the performance of the work that has been done for them.
You pay a fee up front then pay a balance based on the results.
This sort of pricing model would see all the genuine SEO companies soar and gain more and more clients and it would see all the bullsh*tters (lol i just realised i asterisk'd the word bull previously and not the word sh*t - the offending word lol) flushed down the pan with their crap services.- why would SEO effect the design?trooperbill
- your also making the classic mistake of thinking that seo is like coding, its not, its marketingtrooperbill
- how many marketing companies are paid on performance?trooperbill
- well by not putting important text in images or flash etc. hierarchy of H tags etc, no?23kon
- so hows that effect the design? it shoudnt, you can apply seo without effectivg design! it usually just changes code.trooperbill
- how many marketing companies are paid on performance? all of them.********
- guess ive never worked for/been involved in or bought services from one of these companiestrooperbill
- maybe we're just tighter in the north of england loltrooperbill
- ********0
once you've got past fixing basic fundamental "build" problems with a site (which should have been done by the original devs anyway) there's nowhere to go with actual tangible SEO. i could claim to be an SEO expert as i too can look at a site and show how to make it more search friendly. beyond that - any techniques/methods or whatever you call them are just stabs in the dark. if you are insane enough to think that you have unlocked the google search algorithm then perhaps you'd be better off working for the government as a cryptographer...
- no SEO would make that claim.trooperbill
- oh but they do, and you do too through any suggestion they make to "optimise" results. otherwise it just conjecture.********
- its a generic term...trooperbill
- ********0
Oh I know a fair bit 23kon - and for my role I code cleanly and semantically. BUT there's a lot of finer detail I'm interested in - especially the bits that really require consideration when starting a development.
Ultimately, I don't want to advise a client to pay for SEO. I want to leave them on a solid ground to explore it themselves through all the finer extra-curricular activities....
- I think SEO is something that content editors should be learning really. It's an ongoing, day to day thing isn't it.********
- definitely, you could design the best SE Friendly site and the client comes and plonks in sh*te content23kon
- yes but the problem is google hates commercial sites, and all commercial content writers/owners cant think any other waytrooperbill
- ...other waytrooperbill
- yup client content always falls short, seo copy wwriting is an art itsselftrooperbill
- moth. you nailed it. maybe if we stopped calling it SEO i'd relax. adding value to a site is what it should be all about.********
- I think SEO is something that content editors should be learning really. It's an ongoing, day to day thing isn't it.
- trooperbill0
My advice is free... ive nothing to gain from it so why the negativity
- ********0
because you are helping to proliferate the idea that SEO exists.
- 23kon0
I hear what you are saying websuperhero from your comment in moths post above.
Yes, by giving it an acronym it makes it sound something dark and mysterious or an exact science, a word for marketing guys or board members to throw around at meetings to make themselves sound like they know what it's all about when really they've just seen it mentioned in the latest issue of "Marketing Bullsh*t Weekly".
This week it's "SEO", last week they were mentioning "Twitter" and the week before that was "Facebook" they were throwing around.And by giving it that acronym and making it a buzzword like that is really only playing into the hands of these SEO companies who are completely based on bullsh*t and will take your money and give you nothing back for it.
It is definitely about adding value to a site, giving your client a site that works for them and performs well revealing relevant content when people are searching for the services/products that the company offers.
It isnt just the SEO guy/company that's going to get your site high up on google ratings, it's a combined effort from everyone - the designer, seo person, copyrighter and the people who keep the site updated. everyone plays a part.- 23kon - thank you ;-)********
- but the things that effect google do change! look at the latest adoption of microformats etctrooperbill
- 23kon - thank you ;-)
- trooperbill0
ok then that settles it im an 'adding value to a website' guy... does that resolve your beef with the dreaded S word
- I personally have a beef with 'web designers' who create poorly designed, badly coded, and craply thought out 'websites'trooperbill
- nah i dont, i started as a web designer and youve gotta learn which is the point of this threadtrooperbill
- ********0
trooperbill isn't peddling bullshit websuperhero.
He's obviously made this his specialism and obviously knows more about it than everyone else here who can only afford to give it a small slice of their time when developing sites. We're all here asking questions because we don't have the time and grace to try these things over a period of 6 months by ourselves.
- thank you :)trooperbill
- specialising in SEO is a bit like specialising in living in Narnia.********
- ********0
trooperbill. are you a qualified and talented writer? or a great artist?
are you particularly knowledgeable about one specific topic or an expert in that field?
otherwise i cant see how you'd add value.
that makes you just a guy who reads a lot of forums comparing wackjob ideas with other crooks and charlatans and then shafting us lot with them.
- trooperbill0
im a qualified designer with 10 years experience in designing and marketing websites which all do well on google due to some tried and tested techniques.
there wasnt anything called 'seo' back when i started putting things online.
regarding 'wackjob' ideas, i dont put anything into play unless ive tested it.
- you're saying nothing to make me believe you. and i'd like to.********
- what do you want from me... blood samples?trooperbill
- just some facts would do. i'm not fussy********
- you're saying nothing to make me believe you. and i'd like to.
- ********0
Proof is in the pudding.
Let's see your work superhero. Post up.
- What makes you a worthy judge?********
- i have nothing to prove. if you think that you have not read my posts.********
- What makes you a worthy judge?
- ********0
ok i'm going to call you out on this.
list three SEO "techniques" that are provable, tangible and testable and aren't related to proper semantic markup & decent relevant content (obviously containing search terms duh)
you can prove yourself if you like.
- ********0
I wouldn't bother trooper.
- Dancer0
I love the attitude of this place sometimes.
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- yah... kick a guy for trying to help.trooperbill
- i just gave you the opportunity to prove how much you can help. more than happy to listen********
- keyword research. link development (in its any forms), traffic analysis... easytrooperbill
- Nah, you're just being a cock superDancer
- +10000000trooperbill
- ********0
Trooper. Are there any good online tools for generating sitemaps?
Free, of course... and capable to the tune of nearly a million urls.
- http://www.xml-sitem… is the one i use... good for up to 500 pages!trooperbill
- trooperbill0
lol just had someone call me from a 'google licenced company' about an 'allocation that has become available' ... this is exactly what im trying to combat by providing impartial advice
fyi theres no such thing as a google licenced company andcertainly no allocation involved in SEO.
- Did you query their credentials?Dancer
- lol no i pointed out theres no such thing they said 'i will have to terminate this call' lol/trooperbill
- ha..********
- ********0
bored now. this is going nowhere. was hoping to have my faith restored but not even close.
- check comment to dancers post above... and fyi im not here to entertain you.trooperbill
- i read that, again nothing solid to go on just commonsense and relevance. something you'd hope a decent editorial team might have nailed.********
- SEO is common sense... i'd never argue that theres some secret techniquetrooperbill