Flash is the thing here huh?
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- ********0
lol @ lack of iphone support being a flash quirk.
same old tired arguments from someone that doesn't understand the medium.
all of the things you listed as a problem (minus the iphone support) can be done in flash... blame the developers that don't implement them... not the platform.
people make shit html sites too you know.
- FIRST somewhat educated answer.thepda
- fuck off you cock. i'm in no mood to be patronised by an idiot.********
- No I am being serious, that was an educated answer. But it's not just the iPhone, it's all mobile phones.thepda
- My old Nokia had flash support.rounce
- there has been tons of "educated answers" on the first page of this post, you just didn't feel like agreeing with themMeeklo
- No Meeklo, you just posted four Fortune 500 companies that 5000 agencies fight for.thepda
- its gone up from 3000 to 5000. darn these self-scalable metrics..********
- thepda0
Lastly, let me say that I have not lost any Flash clients. I am not seeking out clients, I am just stating a conversation, and in all reality most of you cannot give me an educated answer. Your just hopping around the actual points like racists in front of Obama.
- thepda0
But let me just say that, if you have to program or code something to SUPPORT a back button, isn't that a flawed system? Shouldn't you not have to develop something further JUST to use a back button which was invented with the internet? That's like saying, "This wood wheel will fit on your car, but we just have to use some different lug nuts"
- you've already been told that flash DOES support the back button http://www.adobe.com…Meeklo
- ukit0
Actually the back button thing has been solved...a long time ago....as one example, check out the Gaia framework which offers a standardized platform for creating Flash sites including deep linking, SEO and right click menu all built in.
- Oh cool, see I didn't know that. Thanks for the SECOND educated answer.thepda
- acescence0
you keep repeating the same arguments that have already been invalidated, you are being willfully ignorant. bye.
- harlequino0
So what exactly are you ranting and raving about? You just don't like Flash?
Trying to have a conversation with you, but your tone just makes you sound like a tool at this point who doesn't understand the bigger picture.
- ukit0
BTW, it's not like the original HTML includes all the functionality you need to build a modern site. Every technology now uses 3rd party solutions to a big extent.
- thepda0
@harlequino -- No, I am not ranting and raving at anything. I think QBN has toooooo many ranters. It wasn't a rant until I started getting some backfire from people. I asked, why is interactive so popular in this community? -- Never really got a good answer
- ********0
"So... Why is it that every company wants to showcase their interactive work?"
what do you mean, if people want to showcase their "interactive work" they can do it without flash.
- voiceof0
If you were to take movie sites, Car sites (specific cars not the company site), Clothing lines and sites of that nature, they would not have nearly the same impact as an html site as they do as flash sites.
When the purpose of the the site is to invoke emotion, more than information than flash often wins out. and it's just the opposite for a news site, financial site etc... people want to get to the information from multiple sources, easily pull information and not wait.The idea of arguing that flash is bad and should be used is ridiculous. You use the tool that is most appropriate for job.
I think you see more flash sites here, because most people here are designers, and flash sites are often more image driven and fun to look at. it's pretty simple.
- ukit0
Well it's kind of a weird question...this community happens to be made up of people who are more on the "design" side of web design. I know there are others that focus more on UX, standards-based etc.
Bottom line there will always be a market for Flash and it has found many niches on the modern web - video (duh), banner ads, rich media marketing sites, games, etc etc. It's hard to see how Flash has lost ground over the past several years, if anything it's gained.
- junetic0
jquery is where it's at. Flash is for marketing and advertising. HTML/CSS/JS/AJAX is for functional/tool driven content.
- javascript not jquery, wtf are talking?********
- yea yea...jquery, prototype...etc...ju... sayingjunetic
- try to get some real knowledge and independencie and learn javascript instead of a fucking library built by technocrate dickhead********
- jquery worst js library, jquery=technocracy********
- prototype=made by cool people********
- prototype superior than jquery********
- easy killer. Just cuz you might be a js wiz, don't mean everyone else has to build everything from scratch. Sharing means better work for everyonejunetic
- maybe, anyway javascript is where is at, that language is so strong, has so much potential********
- i'll +1 u on thatjunetic
- ;)********
- javascript not jquery, wtf are talking?
- thepda0
@ukit -- Very good points! I am also on the design side of things, but have always been involved in the development community (further than what you see here, more like the people who make Web applications and that sort of niche).
But I think your right that it has moved into banner ads and things of that nature. I think it's totally gained ground in it's niche as well too. Great points though! Thank you!
- thepda0
@junetic -- Sort of right, JavaScript has taken hold of a lot of the emotional effects that Flash once held onto. Look at YouTube, if the entire Web site where in Flash, do you think people would still use it? Look at Seesmic -- another video service, if it where entirely in Flash would people still use it? Answer, no.. Because Seesmic was once all in Flash and had to change because of it the negative outcome it had.
- Meeklo0
thepda:
Lets start over, but with the respect we all deserve.
I think your question was answered by acescence here: http://www.qbn.com/topics/586239…
The times where we can animate triangles rotating from left to right have faded away. We are now in front of a much more complex platform that is capable of 1000s of complex tasks that goes beyond the average designer.
Flash can do most of the things you think it can not, but in reality in the hands of an experienced flash programmer, they are all doable. I personally saw (probably like you) a decline on the flash sites I complete for clients but because flash grew out of my skill level. Clients want dynamic applications that connect all outputs of their brand with their customers, and my programming knowledge of flash stops at "on click go to label "start"
Flash is still being used for a lot more than what you think, its not as easy to set up for a 1 guy shop as it was 8 years ago when the client was happy with a glow flying over their logo.
the movie industry uses it almost standard because of its immersive capabilities. Product demos of all sorts from vacuum cleaners to motorcycles, that allow you to interact and explore the product from you home, there are so many things that flash does that other platforms can't do, the list is bigger than the things that can.
And flash not being supported by iPhone is not a flash mistake, is an Apple's fear of loosing customers on the app department.
And there is way more people browsing the internet on computers than on iphones, waaaaaaay more..
would that answer your question?
- itsmitch0
Flash is a useful proprietary tool for delivering content. It offers many advantages over other web mediums including building animation heavy sites, font embedding, cross-platform/cross-browser support, vector graphics, transparency, HD video streams and a multitude of other things. Many of the flaws with Flash as a platform are in fact caused by the browsers they're encapsulated in. Flash in limited to doing what the browser allows it to do since it's only a plug-in. One day Flash won't be necessary anymore if the browser companies get their shit together but that day is not today. Flash isn't the problem. The problem is poor communication and standards between browser developers. Flash could have been history if they quit making browser standards a "political" battle to force their shittiest ideas forward as a standard. The same thing has been happening with "open" document format standards for office applications as well.
A Flash site is only as good as the person that makes it, something it shares in common with any other platform.
- but it's not like browsers will ever only support Flash and not HTML? HTML is much lower level languagejunetic
- he said it:"Flash is a useful proprietary tool ", fucking agree.********
- Autokern0
Well, is quite funny you come here and claim that flash is dead (but no, you're not starting a rant) with such weak arguments.
Let met tell you a thing: Flash is not dead.
The ipone thing is a barrier that one day will fall (somehow). Actually iphone supports flash (otherwise how could you get youtube videos?)
The CMS thing is not an argument at all.
On the other hand we got plenty of clients asking for flash sites, flash component etc etc.Is a technology that is getting used better and wiser. While the era of full flash sites is almost over, flash is a fundamental component for rich media sites (video players, audio players, slideshows etc etc)
and now with its support for native 3d will be another intersting era.That's why flash is so popular here: because is plenty of people who does stuff and ask how to do it better, sharing ideas and knowledge instead of staring from the window and coming up with things like "if you have to program or code something to SUPPORT a back button, isn't that a flawed system".
- Never said Flash was dead, said it has moved niche's or I haven't seen as much of it anymore.thepda
- thepda0
@Autokern -- Read the statement above you by itsmitch, it comes with knowledge and not anger. I don't want to respond to people looking to argue. A flawed system doesn't mean the system is bad, the iPhone not having in browser flash support would make it flawed, yes? But it's still sold a million units.