Flash is the thing here huh?
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- ukit0
In some ways, something like Flash is a far superior platform than the patchwork solution of HTML/ PHP/ JS. If you were designing the web from scratch, why WOULDN'T it include an easy way to set custom fonts? Or animate anything you wanted? Not to mention having an end to end solution for something instead of having to use 3 different programming/markup languages.
Doesn't mean I would use Flash for everything. But it does benefit from having been developed holistically instead of in pieces.
- Yea the insides of the web are pretty dirty and messy with competiting platforms/languages...junetic
- @ukit: flash runs ECMA script wich is the javascript spec, without what you call the web patchwork flash would be nothing********
- nothing********
- sure, but what I'm saying is it gives you the kind of control over the design you would expect as well as letting you develop your site in a single programming languageukit
- develop your site in a single programming language. which in the abstract is kind of what you'd want from a web dev environment, right?ukit
- environment, isn't it?ukit
- yesjunetic
- yep i agree , my main concern with flash is when you compile something you get so much 'trash' sometimes, let me give an example:********
- you an example: with flex you would never be able to build a rss feed wich weights 2k, you dont have all the control********
- you could have with javascript or any other free language********
- but i like flash , yes for animations and graphics is really cool but the software itself has been getting bulkier********
- FYI: JS is free because MS bankrupted Netscape... think about that one for a minute =)zarkonite
- (like requiring greater processing everytime a new version comes out)********
- @zarkonite: lol, i cannot predict how things would have turned: javascript running on a program like flash?lol********
- gabe0
@ thepda: please don't take any offense, but most of what you've said is entirely subjective and is not—in the least—valid.
in fact, what you've said is actually overwhelmingly naive and makes me question your understanding of the medium.
- itsmitch0
From what has leaked out, Adobe doesn't want Flash on the iPhone for several reason:
- They don't want free Flash games competing with the millions they make selling similar games in the app store. Same goes for other apps that Apple could sell.
- Flash is a great platform for video, something Apple also sells.
- Flash is intensive of the CPU, something Apple didn't think about ahead of time and can't handle without a major hardware upgrade.
- Flash would require Apple to, at least in this scenario, allow programs to run in the background for the plugin to work or they would have to code it themselves into an edition of mobile safari.I'm sure there are other reason and I'm sure they're related to money/profits.
- yep money/profit: that's the problem with propietary technology like flash********
- yep money/profit: that's the problem with propietary technology like flash
- Meeklo0
Just so you can see how small is the iphone number when it comes to people browsing the internet:
Iphone: 1.000.000
Internet users: 3,780,819,792 (only in asia)
- thepda0
@ukit -- Totally, font embedding has been a great thing for Flash.
@gabe -- None taken, it's your opinion to think I am invalid, not here to change that. Never said I was. But for people who are looking to appeal to wide demographics (which includes 50 year old women who don't know how to install the plugin support) then I probably wouldn't go the Flash route. You choose to see that I am invalid for reasons I won't go into. But you probably do that work, and support your belief -- which is why I asked, WHY IS FLASH SO BIG IN THIS COMMUNITY... LOL
- you've been told, that not everything needs to be built in flash, you make it sound like its either all flash or nothingMeeklo
- fyoucher10
I can see both sides for Flash sites. I see a lot of sparkly Flash sites out there that put a little too much glam in everything (I'll admit I've done it in the past too). Flash 'can' do a lot of good things for content, it's just a matter of spending the time to implement it.
However, Flash as a presentation tool for the web is unmatched. Flash ads, for example, (good Flash ads) can't be done with other web scripting languages unless it's a large video download (talking about jquery, css, html, and the likes). The reason why Flash was invented in the first place was as a low file size delivery tool for the web. It began as a presentation tool and since then it has just built onto itself -- allowing video, character animation, text effects (yes, text effects), and the likes...plus it can have dynamic modular content...plus just about every computer user can view Flash...plus it works on both Mac and PC....plus you don't have to worry if it's compatible with your shit browser.
Why wouldn't you want to work with it? Back button functionality? Heh...
- ukit0
Let's put aside the argument that any technology sucks because you can create shitty work with it. You can create shit with Photoshop too you know...
I think a lot of the developer dislike of Flash came from the fact that it's a proprietary format, controlled by one company.
- itsmitch0
@fyoucher1:
In the early days I dreaded Flash. My 56k modem could take 15 minute for a site to load because everybody used to put all the assets in one large flash file. The fact that they intended it to be less bandwidth intensive is very ironic.- That's the fault of the person who built the site. Most sites back in the day didn't do that.fyoucher1
- gabe0
@thepda: educate yourself.
http://www.adobe.com/products/pl…
adobe flash player 9 is at virtually 99% penetration.
- flash player has higher penetration benchmarks than java, QT, or windows media playergabe
- thepda0
@ukit -- That's a good point, I never thought about the whole one company thing. Personally, I think my dislike for Flash came from it's initial dislike towards simple functions -- I think that growing with Flash is hard. If a company wants to make simple tweaks to something, it's a large task with Flash, but not with solid browser friendly languages.
- zarkonite0
You seem to have Interactive and Motion design confused... anything that requires the user to interact with is an interactive piece, like an HTML anchor leading to another URL.
Flash can be used to create almost any kind of experience you like. IE: the sites you visit that do not allow you to use the back button are simply not programmed properly to do so... you can't blame the framework for the way it's being used.
I find flash to be way more modular than HTML, loading arrays of content and setting up style guides is more consistent across users.
Take a look at this site: http://www.bjornborg.com/ , what's wrong with it?
- Loading up arrays isn't modular layouts dude. Modular is the choice of content based on positions, information, and... ahh nevermindthepda
- http://en.wikipedia.… - seriously, you don't look like you're trying to discuss your points.zarkonite
- thepda0
I love how everyone here is telling me I am wrong, but not one person has said I am right about any of my statements (which all of them qualify as valid points mind you). Stop for a moment, and think about what I just wrote. Doesn't that come back to my "why is this community.." --- yeahhhh, @zarkonite I am looking at you pal.
- Meeklo0
"So... Why is it that every company wants to showcase their interactive work? If their fighting for interactive work, they will have 3000 agencies fighting over BMW (the one client who still uses flash)"
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you are right
- 7point340
if you started a thread just so people can tell you you're right then you should join a different forum
- gabe0
the minute you say anything that has the slightest hint of truth or relevance to your point i'll be the first to give you a pat you on the back...
- ukit0
Maybe it is because your original statement was nonsensical
"I don't see that much interactive work anymore."
I don't know anyone that believes this. Where's the evidence?
"People are getting away from flash for it's obvious quirks that no one wants to fix.
"Back button support,"
Already fixed
"iPhone support,"
In the works as I linked above
"CMS implementation,"
Easy to manage via XML
"non-modular layouts,"
?
"hard to grow or expand on"
Not true at all...
- Dude, I love your tiny statements, they are like 2nd grade material. NOT TRUE, I DIDNT THROW MUD!thepda
- I think he got this, he chose to ignore it that's allMeeklo
- Meeklo jesus christ, go away until you can learn to use that thing in your head.thepda
- I'm sorry, thanks for letting me know. I will go back to my cubicle nowMeeklo
- thepda0
Just wanted to say I am dunzo, so if ya'll want to continue the conversation, cool. But I have gotten some good answers and some really bad ones (the bad ones are majority here).
So, I am good.
