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- MrD0
let me also ask
do you feel same way about fonts?
- M0NEYCIDE0
"stealing" is not just stealing in the eyes of the law. what if someone emailed it to me? if i choose not to pay for a subscription i'm still not doing anything illegal when i download an mp3 somewhere else. talk to any lawyer and see how many loop holes there are in ownership law or theft laws and what not especially when it comes to information. it gets complicated no doubt but it's the law we're talking about.
makes me think of used CD stores. you could in theory make a business out of buying "used" paid for legally downloaded mp3s and sell them for less but it makes no sense because they're mp3s not cds, who's gonna buy a used mp3? labels and bands make nothing from companies that resell cds so are they stealling?
- Jaline0
The subject is too expansive and intricate to have a solid opinion about (at least for me).
- M0NEYCIDE0
i guess same applies for fonts, software etc. I'd be hard pressed to try and run a business with cracked software though but it doesn't stop me from downloading it and using it in general. There's always fair use and responsibility issues. Part of the ethic of these sites is to mention in the description that if you like it then buy it. Strikes me that if I was going to make money from it then I should aquire it properly. Same thing if I was running a radio station getting sponsors and ads and all I was doing was broadcasting mp3s i downloaded. there's always a line personally and professionally.
Trent Reznor just told the Chinese to download his album instead of buying it from bootleggers on the street, makes sense to me. Bootleggers arn't really 'stealing' the music but they are doing something illegal by repackaing and selling it for themselves.
- M0NEYCIDE0
i've been doing research into this stuff because i'm trying to start a label. I know I'm ahead of the curve because i'm young and am acustomed to the new technology. Bottom line is the entertainment industry is a relic and really only just now NEW BUSINESS MODELS are beginning to emerge. Feist's entire album was available on myspace, promo copies flood the internet like wild fire and all this is GOLD to record companies. It's just a new way of thinking and yes it's extremely complicated, ultimatly copyright laws MUST be rewritten and an entire paradigm shift will happen, is happening.
see ,
http://creativecommons.org/creatively speaking this is the new thing. Something similar will happen with actual copyrights for distribution...more artists are releasing all their stuff with these licenses.
I still ain't a criminal, the bootleggers are, I ain't.
- Jaline0
^ exactly. copyright laws are shifting. if people don't get on top of that, there will be a whole lot of misunderstanding and miscommunication occurring. It's already happening.
- MrD0
for me
rather its personal use or reselling, i think stealing is stealing
licensing and copyrights are changing indeed but that comes with consent of creator
- Jaline0
licensing and copyrights are changing indeed but that comes with consent of creator
MrD
(Sep 30 07, 18:21)Creators don't really have a choice anymore. I mean, it's going to happen whether one likes it or not.
- M0NEYCIDE0
All this being said this is currently on Demonoid...
"We received a letter from a lawyer represeting the CRIA, they were threatening with legal action and We need to start blocking Canadian traffic because of this. If you reside in Canada, that is the reason you are being redirected to this message. Thanks for your understanding, and sorry for any inconvenience."
- Jaline0
Right now it says:
'The latest changes to the site are giving us some problems - We'll be back soon"
- M0NEYCIDE0
http://72.39.105.134/music/Anpco…
don't click unless you think you would be incriminating yourself...
now i'm wondering MrD if you think listening to this is illegal? If you "stole" it by downloading it would deleting it be like giving it back?
- M0NEYCIDE0
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dem…)
"Despite moving its headquarters to Canada to avoid legal cases by the MPAA the CRIA forced Demonoid to shutdown and block Canadians accessing the website in September 2007."
I'm not actually on it I just heard say from some other folks this is wats happening.
- M0NEYCIDE0
fuk my link don't work...twas fuck the police
- MrD0
i am aware of PE's song
:D
there is a difference between listening to it via say internet radio, and actually downloading the song
and no, i dont click on mp3 links on nt or anywhere
mind i am a hypocrite regardless but i try to curb people from stealing stuff
like the other guy who posted font for download the other day
- MrD0
hey btw
radiohead
- cphunk0
I think you're partly completely full of shit MrD. To say you've never listened or clicked on an mp3 anywhere?
You can also talk to the HUGE amount of artists I've discovered by "stealing" their music, then supporting them by buying their album and seeing them live - whom I would have never heard of before if it wasn't for sites like OiNK.
You're just regurgitating record company rhetoric, and you have no idea why. They're still posting record sales figures, as are movie companies btw.
Some people will have never bought an album even if they downloaded the music - it wouldn't have mattered. But there are people that are buying new albums from artists they would have never heard of if it wasn't for this so-called stealing. Record companies should be thanking us.
Also - it helps to filter out the absolute garbage over-marketed garbage these record companies try to churn-out from overproduced soulless "artists".
- MrD0
sorry dude, i dont click on mp3s period
best way to figure out what can happen is look at whats happening in Hong Kong cinema
they actually stopped releasing movies because of extensive pirating.
than you are wondering where all these movies are coming from. they are funded by china. If you make a movie is china, you are free from government control but now, most of the movie stars are doing TV shows there.
granted it is not as extensive here but rather the music is shit, manufactured, or little has to do with creativity, i think its more of a moral question for me than anything.
when you have not paid for something that and the person who owns the right did not consent it, i think its stealing.
think this way, recording companies invest in artist to release albums. if they are successful, they dont get paid. who is going to off set the balance their investments?
the idealistic view that you have of music could be the drawn from your experiences but from my experience is not from music industry, rather its just morality of my being. I just dont do it because i dont think its the right thing to do.
just because i dont do it, it doesnt mean that i am full of shit.
- Jaline0
MONEYCIDE, you're the one who posted this link:
http://www.thecircuitbox.com/dem…I'd still rather believe it ;)
- Jaline0
cphunk has a point too.
I would never have discovered half the artists I know now of if I didn't download and listen to .mp3s from online (including torrents, TV network sites, samples at online stores, music blogs, etc.). This reminds me of something else. I spend money on live shows, and most of those artists are musicians that I discovered online first.