Christian & Catholic
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- stphn0
why is it "preaching", as if to discredit, when it comes from a christian perspective but its "fact" even if its false when it comes from a scientific perspective?
- GeorgiePorgie0
be nice boyz
- exador10
my wife is east indian and catholic, i'm white and an athiest.
not a problem at all.
thought at first they might not let me get married in church, but the priest was totally cool..i just had to promise that if my wife wanted to raise the kids catholic, i wouldn't prevent her from doing it..
which i wouldn't ...
besides, the priest is a close friend of my father in law (that definitely helps) and even better, my father in law although raised catholic, thinks it's all a bunch of baloney anyways..he just likes the ceremony of it all...you know..wanted us to have our daughter baptised, not for the sake of 'getting her in to the church' but more because it's a great excuse to have a big family party..
:)
now that is my kind of thinking too.
so we did :)and there ya have it..
as long as both of you are willing to be flexible it's all good
- GeorgiePorgie0
cheers exador
- exador10
oh, and i think the whole 'catholic vs christian' thing is bizzare..
it might be somekind of confusion around this tho..
perhaps when someone says 'christian' here..what they REALY mean is 'born again christian'...
i've noticed a tendency amongst 'born again' types to not recognize others as christian unless they too have been born again..
i think that is what was going on there with that confusion..so lets just be frank, and say catholics, and catholisism in general although possibly flawed, and certainly not without it's problems, IS infact the first. not only are they christians, they are THEEE christians..everything else came from them (as far as i understand it...)
it be like asking about jews, and then saying..no..not those orthodox chaps with the furry hats and long hair..i mean the REAL jews...
it's like 'huh?
so, there ya go..
catholics = christian
born-again= christian,
same with protestant, etc.
- GeorgiePorgie0
right, see my initial response. he was just confused :)
- exador10
cheers to you too goerogie!
:)
i may not be at all religious, but if i have any philosophy at all, it's this.Desiderata:
http://hobbes.ncsa.uiuc.edu/desi…Go placidly amid the noise and haste,
and remember what peace there may be in silence.
As far as possible without surrender
be on good terms with all persons.
Speak your truth quietly and clearly;
and listen to others,
even the dull and the ignorant;
they too have their story.Avoid loud and aggressive persons,
they are vexations to the spirit.
If you compare yourself with others,
you may become vain and bitter;
for always there will be greater and lesser persons than yourself.
Enjoy your achievements as well as your plans.Keep interested in your own career, however humble;
it is a real possession in the changing fortunes of time.
Exercise caution in your business affairs;
for the world is full of trickery.
But let this not blind you to what virtue there is;
many persons strive for high ideals;
and everywhere life is full of heroism.Be yourself.
Especially, do not feign affection.
Neither be cynical about love;
for in the face of all aridity and disenchantment
it is as perennial as the grass.Take kindly the counsel of the years,
gracefully surrendering the things of youth.
Nurture strength of spirit to shield you in sudden misfortune.
But do not distress yourself with dark imaginings.
Many fears are born of fatigue and loneliness.
Beyond a wholesome discipline,
be gentle with yourself.You are a child of the universe,
no less than the trees and the stars;
you have a right to be here.
And whether or not it is clear to you,
no doubt the universe is unfolding as it should.Therefore be at peace with God,
whatever you conceive Him to be,
and whatever your labors and aspirations,
in the noisy confusion of life keep peace with your soul.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams,
it is still a beautiful world.
Be cheerful.
Strive to be happy.
- stphn0
Christianity is a lifestyle. It means to be Christ-like. Jesus was not Catholic, neither was Mary. Christianity did not come from Catholicism. I do believe that if you are truly Christian or Catholic or Athiest then your life will reflect it. Its not a label or a list of things that you are that comes right after male, 5-10, asian...
It's who you are. If its only a label then of course you can get along fine with your significant other, its no different than if you have brown hair and she has blond hair and that being a source of tension.
- GeorgiePorgie0
I like Coptics
- ********0
i'm gonna start to use disiplers logic from now on.
All of you cretins are fingment of my imagination. None of you actually exist. I'm actually in a dream like state in a far off universe high on a coctail of hallucinogens and i've dreamt up this crazy planet and this crazy internet people to talk to . None of you are real.
Prove otherwise.
- moondog0
i like exador's perspective. ritual, religion, whatever: it all just means community.
my kin, for instance, understand that the community (whose glue was ritual) that is judaism, has now been supplanted, in part, by community of a different nature (TAZ, anyone?). we retain the ritual for cultural cachet.
spirituality is no longer interdependent with community.
disclaimer: big ol' imho for y'all and a lump of salt.
- _smk0
thank you Max
and exador :) that about says it all.
- stphn0
That was intelligent.
- moondog0
here's another one for ya' kes:
la vida es sueño: descartes all the way.
solipsism or empiricism. equally the way forward...
- discipler0
exador, I hear where you are coming from, but the Bible spells out very clearly what or who a Christian is. It has nothing to do with which church/denomination/movement one is a part of. A Christian, by Biblical definition, is someone who is "in Christ". Someone who has entered into a saving relationship with the living savior at some specific point in the past. Consider what Jesus said to a very religious person:
John 3:1-3, 16-20:
He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him.”
In reply Jesus declared, “I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again.”
“For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because he has not believed in the name of God's one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but men loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that his deeds will be exposed."
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There are denominations that have dead religion and do not teach what the Bible says constitutes a Christian. It's a relationship, not religion.
- _smk0
oh and Kes? can I have some of your other universe drugs please?
I could do with some after reading this thread :)
- blaw0
very cool, exador.
- GeorgiePorgie0
ok thats it Im breaking out the scriptures
- GeorgiePorgie0
Their vine comes from the vine of Sodom and from the fields of Gomorrah. Their grapes are filled with poison, and their clusters with bitterness.
Deuteronomy 32:31
- moondog0
ok thats it Im breaking out the scriptures
GeorgiePorgie(Mar 24 05, 07:02)
*sticks fork into eye socket