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- robco0
^ herd immunity is natures vaccine
- there's a massive difference between herd immunity as policy, or as a result of policy... ie the policy should be to protect the elderly and not exceed hospitalkingsteven
- capacity. if we can do that and we know the IFR is < 0.05% for healthy under 70 y/os then we can accomplish both.kingsteven
- Bennn0
Everyday we learn new things about this virus...
''Children may show COVID-19 symptoms on their feet. Pediatricians are being warned to look out for an unusual COVID-19 symptom observed in children, purple swollen toes''
- Bennn0
''Doctors increasingly concerned about blood clotting risk in severe COVID-19 patients''
''An increasing number of COVID-19 patients are developing fast moving, potentially life-threatening blood clots that may lead to stroke or limb amputation in some cases.''
- grafician0
"South Korean health experts said Wednesday that recovered coronavirus patients may have tested positive again due to traces of virus fragments that have been inactivated."
"As of Tuesday, a total of 277 people who recovered from COVID-19 have retested positive here, according to the Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (KCDC).
The country's central clinical committee for emerging disease control said there was no live virus present in such cases, positively refuting theories like the virus being reactivated or reinfection.
They said that apparent reinfection cases came because fragments of the virus remained in their bodies and showed up in test kits."
- Also antibodu test kits failures https://www.reuters.…grafician
- I'm starting to believe that this could be a man made experiment gone astray.utopian
- https://upload.wikim…lnu
- Krassy4
Chinese school gives pupils a hat tip to teach them how to keep their distance
https://www.scmp.com/news/china/…
- https://youtu.be/YDg…MrT
- that's not 6' at allBennn
- 3 ft so that two together is 6.monospaced
- "you'll take your eye out!"scruffics
- that isn't 3 ft on one side of these thing. I have a 3' roll of photo paper just beside me and i can tell you this isnt 3'Bennn
- calm downmonospaced
- https://i.imgur.com/…mort_
- uan0
Still in research, but a novel method to detect the 2nd wave at early stages of it‘s beginning.
https://twitter.com/eawagresearc…
The aim is to develop a system which could warn of a resurgence of cases earlier than clinical diagnostic tests.
- maquito0
Long-ish read. Intense. Worth it.
Clara Giambruno is a pediatrician living in NY. She is the sister of an ex-coworker. For years, she’s been working with children admitted to the ICU of hospitals in NY. One of them, SUNY, became the center of care for patients with COVID-19. Clara treated patients and the disease got her. She wrote a letter about what she saw and felt working on the front line of the battle against the virus and her sister shared it:
Dear All:
I am writing to share my experiences during the Covid19 epidemic in New York City. I usually work as a doctor serving children admitted to the ICUs of various hospitals in New York City. In particular SUNY, which was one of the most affected by being designated as a Covid center in New York State.
My life and my colleagues’ changed dramatically as a result of the epidemic. Both the pediatric floors and the pediatric ICUs where we worked began to fill up with adults with Covid, some in very serious condition. The patients I saw ranged from 28 to 75 years old. I haven't seen a child in weeks. Everything was filled in a few days and we were not enough. The seriously ill patients overflowed the ITCs and we prepared as best we could the intermediate rooms.
Seeing in such a few days such a large number of patients with respiratory failure was traumatic. There was a call in the speakerphone for the anesthetists to tube a patient every 5 minutes. What impressed me most was my visit to the emergency room when I tried to find one of our nurses who had come in sick with great respiratory distress. It was impossible to find her in that sea of patients that overflowed the rooms and filled the corridors and when they saw you pass-by they tried to grab you asking you for help. An image of despair that I still try to get out of my mind. Unfortunately she also ended up tubed-up, although luckily she is already breathing without help.
Something very sad and I think in some cases unfair was that these patients were isolated from their loved ones as a precaution. I did my best to talk to each family member of my patients by phone to update them and sometimes I was able to put them in touch on WhatsApp so they could see each other. But it was difficult for them to communicate because they were very ill and in some cases tubed. I felt the anguish that all the relatives went through. I especially regret that many were unable to say goodbye to their loved ones.
All the doctors, nurses and respiratory technicians from the different departments work together during all this. Your specialty doesn’t matter. Several of us got sick with Covid and had to isolate ourselves for a while. Luckily nurses, doctors and technicians came from other states and helped and supported us enormously. There was a huge spirit of solidarity. Donations of food and face masks and hats also came to protect us. It is surprising that we did not have the necessary protection but we adapted by stretching the use of masks and robes, and cleaning the plastic facial protections every day after finishing seeing the patients. An improvement has been seen for a week. We have less income in the hospital. There are fewer calls on the speaker to tube-up. We are all calmer. Sometimes it seems that all this madness that we lived was just a dream.
New York City is still half empty. In the subway we are just a few and all with masks. In the buses they make you enter from the back door so as not to expose the driver and you don't pay. More than once I have been touched by a “rebel” who screams and protests without a mask. I have wanted to explain that this is real. That people are dying, but I still haven't. All these people protesting the measures would have to spend a day in the hospital. I think it is difficult to understand until what time the suffering, the deaths, the trailers for the corpses.
The uncertainty of how and when we will return to a certain normality still remains. We learned and are learning about different medications and the behavior of the virus. But we will not have a vaccine for at least 12 to 18 months. We will not be able to prevent the virus from advancing but we can slow it down and protect the most fragile until a vaccine is released. There will be other waves of infections, but if we take measures they will be smaller and manageable by the health system.
At first I lived thinking every day that I would go to work if that was the day that I would catch it, until it happened. Luckily I had a mild case. Although it is still not well understood how long the immunity can last, I feel calmer when I see patients with Covid. In a few days I hope to do the test to see my antibodies. This is the test that I hope will be carried out on a large scale soon and that will determine who has had Covid and probably has antibodies that will protect them. I am convinced that there is a very large number of people in New York who have had it without knowing it and might be still spreading it.
I say goodbye and I hope that all of you and your loved ones are safe.
Clara.
- NYC healthcare workers have it the worst. So much cronyism from Cuomo on down, death levels worse than all 3rd world countries, yes India too!robotron3k
- IMO Cuomo is has bumped up the body count so the Government will foot the bill using Medicaid. An test costs $7k and ICU costs $40k a dayrobotron3k
- death levels are the worst, but also faked? make up your mind, bobomonospaced
- Bobo's drunk. I think sometimes he forgets which character he is trying to play.PhanLo
- the very idea that he alone knows cuomo is going to get away with some elaborate plan to bill medicaid, it's so fucking crazy weirdmonospaced
- well everyone in robos world view are mad evil, except for trump. Trump is glorious leader. Hail trump.inteliboy
- grafician1
"Senior Trump administration officials have pushed American spy agencies to hunt for evidence to support an unsubstantiated theory that a government laboratory in Wuhan, China, was the origin of the coronavirus outbreak, according to current and former American officials. The effort comes as President Trump escalates a public campaign to blame China for the pandemic."
- grafician1
"mutations in the SARS-CoV-2 genome have allowed scientists to track the spread of the virus around the world. Seattle/SF viruses came from China, but NYC's came mainly from Europe."
shared by kottke.org
https://www.nytimes.com/interact…
read on, but very bio tech article
- france was writing about a new strain not related to china nor italy they could find in early cases in france...not review yet.uan
- I posted a link to a website that tracked the genome mutations on a map.. but it was downvoted and questioned the relevance of it.shapesalad
- Just a few months ago it seems like people were angrily dismissing the possibility that "strains" even exist. Everyone an expert now lol...yuekit
- Er...few weeks I meant.yuekit
- monospaced0
It's so weird seeing my friends and family in areas where the virus barely took hold act like it's a competition to see who can be the most vigilant about precautions. They live in a county of a million people, and have had a whopping death total of 8 people, and currently 150 active cases. That's so far from threatening in comparison to where I live, and yet, they are freaking the fuck out when someone isn't wearing gloves, spend hours disinfecting groceries, and post idiotic memes on the internet as if they are risking their lives walking to their cars.
Come to NYC and maybe get some perspective. There are more deaths PER DAY than their state has had CASES in over two months. I know about 20 doctors that live there, and dozens of nurses, and not a single one of them has seen a case, treated a case, or ever will, yet they post these self-righteous "hero" memes like they're front line. GTFO.
- Start acting like heros when you have to walk past trucks filled with dead bodies just to get groceries. Enjoy your perfect weather and back yards.monospaced
- Enjoy your 0.015% infection rate, with 100% containment. Must be rough.monospaced
- surely that's the kind of neurotic self obsession that will keep them all from getting itFax_Benson
- At least they're not running around "protesting"...grafician
- just design and send them a nice 'how to behave without upsetting metropolitans during a health crisis' pamphletFax_Benson
- *whoosh!
(the point flying right over your head)monospaced - mono you sound stressed. hope you're okay.inteliboy
- Stressed. Not okay.monospaced
- Nairn0
I've said this for weeks now, but: If you're concerned about your susceptibility to C-19, dose up on Vitamin D. Apparently the guideline daily limitations were based on faulty data*, so are actually much higher than generally stated (ie you need to seriously abuse Vitamin D for a number of months to have any deleterious effect).
I'm taking two vitamin tablets a day - one general vitamin, and another with just Vitamin D and Cod Liver Oil. I think I might look and see if I can get a pill with just Vitamin D in. I walk about an hour and a half each day and have very fair skin, so I should be getting quite a lot from sunlight too (as well as from the fuckton of mushrooms and eggs I go through each week).
If you have darker skin, this is doubly true (and perhaps, thinking about it, the reason we have so many 'BAME' C-19 mortalities here in the UK?)
Obviously you shouldn't simply trust some schmuck on the internet, so do your research.
Selenium, vitamin k and magnesium might also be good to top up, as they work in concert with Vitamin D and trace levels of Zinc you have in your diet.
Start here...
(I (or someone here) might've posted this a while back)
* https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc…- I put 'BAME' in single quotes because I've never written it before and don't really like the term, but it's all over the media at the moment, so what the heyNairn
- what is BAME?monospaced
- "black, asian and minority ethnic" - it's a weird onekingsteven
- A good portion of the "BAME" mortality rates imbalance are purely socio-economic where I live.monospaced
- There's a lot of press about how frontline 'BAME' NHS doctors, surgeons etc, who are presumably not socially or economically strifed are dying in higher %sNairn
- You have to have blue skin, missing a layer - like I do, to exist on this gloomy little isle of ours and maintain ok-ish vitamin d levels.
Hence kilts.Nairn - Totally. That's why I said "portion" because there are apparently other indicators leading to the differences.monospaced
- This is mostly common sense. Most people don't know how their body even works, so...
But yes, Vitamin D is important. Also drink more water.grafician - Oh and btw, add crude mushrooms in every salad, very good call Nairn!grafician
- I have been drinking more milk, taking more vitamins and eating soup with chicken stock to help build my immune system up since January. I hope that it works?utopian
- It's your immune system that does the damage. When the virus infects you, a strong immune system will attack it, taking your organs along with it.monospaced
- Part of treatment is making sure the immune system doesn't go into overdrive, actually. But I'm not expert.monospaced
- I've been sun-tanning my anus since last summer, am I good?********
- *thumbs up nbNairn
- @utop - go for long day time walks and bare your chest to the sun, and you'll be alright!Nairn
- Must read in Vit D and sunshine: https://www.health.h…********
- "Except during the summer months, the skin makes little if any vitamin D from the sun at latitudes above 37 degrees north"********
- @nb yes mate, it's common knowledgegrafician
- read this: https://www.medrxiv.…grafician
- then follow up here with lots more info: https://news.ycombin…grafician
- just eat a tin of Sardines every few days. The ones from Portugal are always the best, especially ones that are gutted and steamed before tinning.shapesalad
- *facepalm*zarkonite
- Sardines are loaded with arsenic, I love em, but I limit that shitmoldero
- Breathing fresh air also helps...grafician
- watched this guys vids before and also some (indian?) female doctor. she was saying like 2000iu when daily max is stated as 1000, recommended is 400.microkorg
- im now taking multivit and im going ot get some high strength vitD. whenever i start to feel slightly shit i'll also take echinechia.microkorg
- in other words - make sure you're healthy?inteliboy
- No, simply - most people are Vitamin D depleted. Vitamin D is good against respiratory distress.
Consume more Vitamin D.Nairn - True. Most people should be taking Vitamin D supplements anyway, it turns out.monospaced
- imbecile0
Regal Owner Cineworld Chimes In On ‘Trolls World Tour’ Controversy: “We Will Not Be Showing Movies That Fail To Respect The Windows”
Today’s news comes after AMC boss Adam Aron yesterday fired off a letter to Universal Studios Chairman Donna Langley in response to NBC Universal CEO Jeff Shell’s statements in the Wall Street Journal regarding the $95M PVOD success of Trolls World Tour. Shell had told the paper, “As soon as theaters reopen, we expect to release movies on both formats,” indicating a day-and-date theatrical-VOD shift.
https://deadline.com/2020/04/cin…
Universal unilaterally chose to break our understanding and did so at the height of the Covid-19 crisis when our business is closed, more than 35,000 employees are at home and when we do not yet have a clear date for the reopening of our cinemas.
- AMC and Regal theaters have banned all Universal Studios films.Akagiyama
- NBQ00-4
I think what the world should’ve done is:
Yes:
- Social distancing as much as possible and staying at home.
- Close down public gatherings where people might be too close to each other (like festivals, night clubs, etc.)
- Wear masks if available
- Homeoffice for everyone who is able to work from home
- Putting a stop on traveling (holidays, flights).
No:
- Closing restaurants. I really don’t see a difference people walking around grocery stores or in restaurants. Maybe just limit the amount of people like at the beginning.
- Closing all stores. Again, really no difference if people walk around in grocery stores or in other kind of stores. Just enforce same rules (6ft apart, and maybe limited amount of customers at any given moment etc)
- Closing Hotels. Again what’s the difference here than people in apartments or Airbnb rentals?
I could go on and on. But I think you get the idea. In some ways the world really overreacted by closing things that make no difference to the stuff that was allowed and unnecessarily causing a lot of damage now with people losing their jobs and in the end more suffering.
I don’t agree with Trump and the right wingers and in some ways I also don’t agree with everything the way Sweden did it but as you can see they have no different numbers than usual and aren’t even in the top 10 despite no lockdown. And South Korea too had no real lockdown going on throughout this.
- There's no recipe for this, as each country has different dynamics...But the situation feels under control in most countries, except the USgrafician
- but you need workers to run restaurants, stores and hotels, lots of workers -> lots of contacts, big spread.uan
- We know much now in hindsight, such as surface-distancing was more critical than social. There was so much overkill in the shutdown. I mean, tennis courts FFS********
- cool, didn't know you were scientist or medical profession who has spent years if not decades of their life dedicated to understanding viruses!inteliboy
- I mean TENNIS COURTS FFS! Waaaaaaa!scruffics
- lowimpakt3
I need to know more about this story.
Some dude with no experience in government contracting or medical devices and 75 followers tweeted at Trump
“We can supply ICU Ventilators, invasive and noninvasive. Have someone call me URGENT.”
a few days later the White House coronavirus task force recommended him as a supplier and New York prepaid $69 Million for ventilators that of curse never showed up.
- LOL typical israeli schemerenderedred
- So they sent $69M to some random dude on twitter and now trying to get the money back? WtfNBQ00
- Chill, they sent billions in irak to contractors and never got it backgrafician
- btw, you can never steal more than you can protect.grafician
- as in if u get $69 mil and they spend less than that to get it back, you're fucked, if not...https://i.imgu...grafician
- https://i.imgur.com/…grafician
- I’m too stupid for this worldGnash
- I think there's a thread for this.PhanLo
- https://i.imgur.com/…utopian
- did you read the article utopian?hotroddy
- It was the URGENT that really sealed the deal.BusterBoy
- This guy will either be dead or in jail. His LinkedIn shows he just a salesman. Now he can add "Greatest Salesman during the COVID Crisis Award."instrmntl
- PhanLo1
- Slave muzzle?
Mine's a fucking ninja mask.Continuity - Bobo Approved®utopian
- There's loads of chat like that out there. Just bananas. Defo a good point on the porn though.PhanLo
- who is making these pics? Russian astro turfing is at full throttle.inteliboy
- The pics on that thread are usually from family members or friends from school.
I do wonder if they are being created somewhere else to drive stupidity.PhanLo
- Slave muzzle?
