Is Flash dead?
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- renderedred1
Great news for everyone concerned about the Flash end of life planned for end of 2020: The Internet Archive is now emulating Flash animations, games and toys in our software collection.
- in a way, Flash years were the best www years, now most website design is limited by frameworks...grafician
- Heavy.com |v| 1teh
- @grafician agreed, Flash was a blank canvas for interface design, for better or worse but allowed for limitless creativityspot13
- it's death was limitless vulnerability... but I loved it.hotroddy
- What ruined web design was the introduction of the iPhone. Everything had to work on big and small screensdkoblesky
- utopian0
Windows 10 update removes Flash and prevents it from being reinstalled
- That was a time...the flash years. Personally I am glad it is dead. Too much power in one program.dkoblesky
- Goodbye. Thanks to Flash I was able to put food in my stomach and roof over my head.shapesalad
- ^OBBTKN
- Nairn0
19th October, 2020 - the day I finally uninstalled Flash after being prompted to by Adobe themselves.
Goodbye.
- Nairn16
MONOSPACE: Flip dots with feelings, a JavaScript demo in 1021 bytes, winner of the 1024 bytes demo competition at Assembly 2020.
Due to a bug in Firefox, it's best viewed in a Chromium or Webkit-based Browser (boo. mozilla!)
1021 bytes. Wow.
- that's acefadein11
- insanemicrokorg
- damnmoldero
- Math be crazy.ideaist
- Where's Mono?
Did he create this?CyBrainX - http://www.p01.org/M…imbecile
- ^
don't click that link if you're on Firefox, it could require you to restartNairn - (the browser at least, not your OS)Nairn
- Monos arguing with someone somewheremoldero
- Still not as good as Flash. But quite fun.PhanLo
- It's an aside to Flash and shows what can be done 'on the metal' (lol) in JS. But given the entire package less than a 1kb in size, it's 'better' than Flash.Nairn
- Steve Jobs was correct in rejecting Flash for something better; lightweight and powerful.ideaist
- ...Only took 10 years.ideaist
- Yeah, the shame is when Flash imploded, so did the editing tools that eventually output to JS/etc and so the whole culture dissolved.Nairn
- I say this lots - but I'm still perplexed why there's not a whole ecoystem of Flash replacemnt tools enabling animation and complexity from a timeline.Nairn
- Still can't actually draw animations and generate systems quickly in any other program.
I did download Touch Designer the other day though.PhanLo - Yeah, that's exactly the problem. I keep meaning to check out GreenSock - I *think* it has a timeline editor?Nairn
- These days performance will always be better direct-in browser, compared to a Flash-like layer. As you say though, there're no fucking tools to do itNairn
- Flash was great for its time but fundamentally antithetical to the way The Web Should Work, and therefore everything going forward.Nairn
- It's been a full decade and there isn't anything quite like Flash as a replacement. I think it's fair to say Jobs was wrong.CyBrainX
- been getting Flash-backs doing ES6 Javascript... feels like AS3 open source Flash days but i'd take the Flash IDE any day over the HTML5 DOM, SVG and CSSkingsteven
- this demo is incredible. female voice on my browser - gonna have to look in to that web speech APIkingsteven
- You can do a lot (if you're patient) w/HTML5 / JS / SVG... thing is nobody is 'asking' for it these days. Everyone wants to edit their own site / have a blog.PonyBoy
- Nairn... GS will blow your mind but you have to have a little patience w/it (mainly cuz there's so much you can do w/it now) but it is simple to grasp if...PonyBoy
- ... you understand basic JS syntax (basic function calls w/ parameters, variables etc).PonyBoy
- GS is a godsend for HTML5 banners... so much $$ and time saved / made thanks to Greensock... I've yet to find anything that compares.PonyBoy
- Am I missing something? Adobe Animate is the evolution of the Flash app no? i.e. it does the same but exports as HTML5/CSS3/JS. I haven't used as like someonefadein11
- said above no one asks for it anymore (unless banner ads which have better solutions). The interface is pretty much the same. I did a few tests a while back andfadein11
- seemed good but not had to get stuck into Flash type stuff for years. Has anyone used it much here?fadein11
- Simple animations are easily done with CSS3, so no need. But I think Animate caters for stuff like the example here more.fadein11
- but not under 1024 bytes obviously :)fadein11
- Nairn6
Well, if nothing else, this thread highlighted this for me..
https://www.qbn.com/reply/313049…
For some reason, I thought that deathboy was only a recent and mostly negative phenomenon, but apparently s/he's been here at least a decade.
- In his old posts he actually seam like a normal person.PhanLo
- https://www.qbn.com/…
idk :Dsted - It appears that with the death of Flash, his zest for life and his dreams died as well.utopian
- ^ lol!!dorf
- like the skidmark in your favourite underwear that just refuses to completely wash out.face_melter
- You can see the beginnings of his contrarianism "actually Flash is better on mobile"yuekit
- zaq2
I got nostalgic.
I will probably get old Egomedia animations from backup and see if I can convert them to HTML5 or even simple videos.- I still have some old .fla files from my Balthaser days, I'm guessing best way would be to screen capture?moldero
- It'd be more fun to re animate in AE thoughmoldero
- You can republish FLA to HTML with Adobe Animate pretty easily, though I haven't fired up that app for over a year now.evilpeacock
- trip? does it deal with scripted animations well? or is it just timeline animations?moldero
- There was a plugin that did it for CS6 too, that seemed to work with scripts.PhanLo
- https://www.youtube.…PhanLo
- I've not done it with anything that was heavily scripted/interactive... Mostly just timeline-based animation. There will be quirks, but it worked well for me.evilpeacock
- Projectile9
I made this fairly recently in Flash using HTML5 output.
Worked great, just couldn't get it to autofit.
- Krassy3
what's Flash?
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- ah, got itKrassy
- https://images-na.ss…Krassy
- https://en.wikipedia…renderedred
- https://www.urbandic…PonyBoy
- PonyBoy3
lol... nice bump
I just scrolled back through this thread and the ignorance of where things were moving was high w/some us (put me at the top of the list)... I'm glad listened to some of you and refocused on the existing browser tech along w/a focus on a mobile...
...it was not easy to let go of Flash.
- utopian0
Adobe Flash just took another step towards death, thanks to Google.
- err1
Yes thats what Im talking about!
"Chrome will will strongly favor HTML5 ads and begin pausing most Flash ads by default starting Tuesday. That's today!"The verge.com's homepage has a big ass microsoft flash ad on their homepage.
- Projectile0
I just spent a few hours today creating animated banners in flash. Output as HTML5, job done.
I'm glad I spent all my efforts learning the timeline interface and ignoring action script!!
- err0
- last I checked, Adobe stil makes and supports Flash, so not deadmonospaced
- SteveJobs0
While I have no personal interest in ever getting back into flash myself I wouldn't mine a re-emergence to rekindle the spirit of creativity and imagination - which from my perspective is what made it a great tool to begin with.
Of course the plugin runtime would need to be redesigned to not allow system resource takeover - which was, in my mind, it's only real issue.
But, I guess we're deep into the age of the utilitarian web so it might be a while..
- no plug-ins for the internet thanks. Adobe shouldn't have that kind of control.inteliboy
- control? what does that mean?SteveJobs
- if they had control they'd still be around.
ultimately the web community vote technology in or out.SteveJobs - Your browser is a plug in for the Internetnuggler
- won't happen. HTML is way more flexible than flash for mobile devices. Hence, it will never garner enough steam to compete as serious platform.hotroddy
- you're right it won't happen. but not for that specific reason. adobe just won't put any effort into flash again. which i agree with as a business decision.SteveJobs
- anyway, i was just saying i wouldn't mind it - i don't necessarily want it.SteveJobs
- you killed Flash Steveernexbcn
- You don't allow or not allow system resource takeover, it's the plugin as a whole that sucksi_was
- nuggler0
Chrome is going to start showing peripheral Flash content paused, so that users have to click to play it —
http://www.engadget.com/2015/06/…
Safari already does this, but Chrome has something like 64% of the browser market.
This will make banner ads finally switch over to HTML5.
- err0
IMDB started doing these takeover sites for movies. They are almost full flash sites.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1392…
- jetSkii0
Flash vs HTML5 (Pong Game)
http://labs.codecomputerlove.com…
- Ironmonkey0
Its on life support, not very stable. If it comes out it will be braindead only capable of simple functions.I recommend pulling the plug.....I'm sorry for your loss.
**Hands nurse clipboard and walks up to the Myspace family to tell them its dead.**
- SoulFly0
Do not waste your energy in HTML5, it will never, mark my words, never take off.
I went through this already back in 2005. My company made me learn XSL, and then XSLT, which was supposed to be the "big next thing" it was the biggest waste of time.
If I'm not mistaken this HTML5 doesn't even yet work properly in all browsers? is that correct?- are u kidding me? i think you are confusing the scope of your job vs building web applications in generalsherm
- I think he's got a pointintVal
- XSLT/XSL were fucking stupid over complicated crap thoughPIZZA
- you guys went the wrong way. XHTML was crap.jetSkii
- gaddammit I'm ready to put some boxing gloves on.sherm