Is Flash dead?
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- pango0
apparently not.
http://superior-web-solutions.co…
can we please set it on fire already?
- jetSkii0
^ Apple is just cheering from the sidelines.
- deathboy0
i think you still have to look at the reasons why flash trumped javascript back in the day. then take those reasons and apply them to today. i think mobile market with lack of flash support is the only thing that can drive the use of more javascript stuff. And i think that will only be short lived with technological improvements on the mobile markets, and the willingness of powerful companies strong arming people into licensing there closed codecs and support. And still take into consideration the evolution of AS and see it will need to offer plugin free stuff. I still see noreason to declare flash dead especially since its a far broader scripting language and does more than JS. Yes js will have its place as much as it always has... no, more place with the mobile drive. but i cant see it surpassing the usage or ability AS has. Especially with the AS to JS stuff being worked on. I can only seeing js being combined in a single gui (probably called flash++) with as3 and different export options. Much like dreamweaver does more then html. Can people in advertising not fall for advertising.
- ukit0
lol...HTML5 isn't advertising bro. What is this site built with? HTML4.
HTML5 is just the next version of HTML. It's kind of like if we were all using CS4 and then CS5's coming out and you guys declare its just a gimmick.
- what is the difference between html4 and 5. a few tags that have more support for js.deathboy
- those tags without js knowledge are pointless. its a js vs as thing as multimedia/animation is concerned.deathboy
- Read up on what HTML5 actually is and get back to us.ukit
- html5 is really no big deal. html5 supports flash wow. its the mobile market mainly and apple trying to capitalize on it.deathboy
- jsut enlighten me. save me sometime. i didnt knwo html5 plays video and does animationdeathboy
- show me a html5 animation? no JS compared to a AS animation. html5 takes palce of the plugin.deathboy
- not fully supported yet so its kind of a plugin in its own right. but still look at flash vs js and why flash trumped in the pastdeathboy
- Here's an example:
http://mugtug.com/sk…ukit - http://www.craftymin…ukit
- Maybe more advanced example of the first one:
http://mugtug.com/da…ukit - But you are only focused on the rich media side of things...ukit
- The last example for instance uses local storage which is like a browser based databaseukit
- There is also geolocation, microdata, web workers, lots of stuff that has nothing to do with JS or animation.ukit
- Then there's the more fundamental aspect which is that HTML5 introduces semantic tagsukit
- No more <div class="header"> instead you will just use <header>ukit
- Imagine how much standardization that will enable in terms of theming, mashups, etcukit
- A lot of people also overlook the behind the scenes aspect of what they are doingukit
- thats fine i said addressing multimedia/animationdeathboy
- HTML5 is meant to standardize how browsers render HTML, which is not a small task.ukit
- and still examples rely heavily on jsdeathboy
- Well you said it was advertising...which is sillyukit
- But sure, it relies on JS for animation. So?ukit
- i get that but as far as AS is involved in mainly compares to JSdeathboy
- its the advertising that distorts the comaprison. its not html5 vs flash its js vs asdeathboy
- Point is a lot of people put forward this view that HTML5 is a direct equivalent of Flash which it isn't...it's much larger than thatukit
- yes theres the render issue without plugin. hence mobile marketsdeathboy
- Secondly, that it's somehow hyped up by Apple? BSukit
- its not hyped up by apple? really? dont forget apple tries to hinder flash to push quicktime.deathboy
- hell whne did it get a lot of press? jobs made an attack and it worked. reason went out the window. time to side updeathboy
- All Jobs did was write one blog post...that's it.ukit
- Big deal, he's entitled to his opinion.ukit
- he is. but the truth remains its more js vs as. and his reaosnign for such a thing was to improve his already 4x oil company profit marginsdeathboy
- profit margin. he saw his stronghold on us mobile market and said tiem to try to push thing his waydeathboy
- So? What are you, a communist?ukit
- not at all. i ahve no problem with profit. its a freemarket system. jsut disappointing. liek heroin profits. 34 is too long im donedeathboy
- PIZZA0
"AIR is in fact the future of Flash. As the devices become more powerful (our mobile phones using dual or even quad core ARM and Intel processors ) we will see more and more immersive apps running through AIR, Silverlight etc.."
Why waste the extra power on clunky shit that native apps already outpace
- dbloc0
We ARE the aliens.
- PIZZA0
"HTML5 is being driven, sold, advertised and pushed by Apple, for the sole purpose of controlling and owning the content, the media and software, period!"
Good thing HTML5 is an open standard then with several implementations on the market already (unlike Flash), leave the tin foil hat at the door next time utopian.
- zarkonite0
https://arstechnica.com/informat…
"The rise and fall of Adobe Flash. Before Flash Player sunsets this December, we talk its legacy with those who built it."
- georgesIII0
bump?
- I wanna see some bloodgeorgesIII
- *stabs georges in the legukit
- shows an old tamponjetSkii
- I'm invisible on the net,
you bullet woud only ricochet on my third leggeorgesIII
- vaxorcist1
Chrome starting to default pause flash ads...
- fues0
It's over and out now, 80% of the specheets I receive are HTML now.
- ORAZAL0
Do you any of you remember the Elastic Lists by Moritz Stefaner?
http://well-formed-data.net/expe…
Here's the non flash version:
http://www.sirislab.com/lab/elas…
- hotroddy1
Flash won't die as long as it's less cumbersome to learn, create and deploy across all browsers and screens. This is currently where Flash holds the advantage.
Jobs wants it to die quickly but as long we keep using it then Apple will have no choice but to allow it.