Sticking with Flash
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- ukit0
Has anyone actually tried Flash on a mobile device?
http://www.mobilecrunch.com/2010…
It looks like it's nice for games and stuff like that, but loading elements on a typical web page seems like it totally kills the performance. So even if you have Flash it seems like you would want to browse with it turned off, and enable it only as needed.
- We had the same issue with regular desktop computers 10 years ago, and look how that changed just a few later. Flash runs fine on desktops.fyoucher1
- Hardware will get better quickly. More than enough to allow Flash on a mobile device. It may be just a matter of a couple of years or even less.fyoucher1
- I guess, still it kind of shows Jobs wasn't lying doesn't it? Not to mention this is in 10.1, which didn't even have a release date when they were rolling out the iPhone and iPadukit
- when they were rolling out the iPhone and iPadukit
- html5 will get better faster than flash will.kpl
- html5 is just a buzz worddbloc
- HTML5 will have the same progress Flash did. Just wait until people start going animation crazy with jquery.fyoucher1
- Except Flash is 15 years ahead.fyoucher1
- why use crappy software with better hardware when you can use better software with better hardware?kpl
- Don't get me wrong. I'm all for HTML5. Just not for abandoning a very useful technology such as Flash.fyoucher1
- Apple + Google + Microsoft competing against each other > Adobe's rather slow effortskpl
- 15 years of cruft more like it.kpl
- Anything Flash9.0 AS2.0 or lower seems to run fine on my Hero and has done since the day I got it.orrinward
- How the hell am I supposed to distinguish between AS2 and AS3 while browsing?;)ukit
- HTML5 has it's downsides too. It's a fairly brand new spec. I wouldn't go as far to say it's "great software" just yet.fyoucher1
- BTW, they should put scroll bars in these note areas or make them as tall as the postfyoucher1
- 10.1 for Android is still beta. Also the Android version has a click to Flash option built in.munch
- Sorry, kpl, Flash is better software than an unfinished HTML5 spec.CyBrain
- html5 is planned to be the standard in 2021. 20FUCKING21!instrmntl
- technicalities. "html5" is already kicking flash's ass in interpreted code (as3 or js) execution speed.kpl
- Maybe you need to see this.
http://www.youtube.c…CyBrain
- erikjonsson0
zzz
- CyBrain0
I have Cloud Browse and was tempted to post it here, but was paranoid that if it got too popular Apple would kill it. I don't know what amazes me more, that Apple approved it or that it isn't well known yet.
I would pay $10 gladly if the paid version was a good browser (aside from playing Flash). The free version can't bookmark, doesn't even remember what windows you had open and doesn't support any Firefox add-ons. I know add-ons is asking a lot, but I would like some way to bookmark and auto-fill forms.
- ukit0
Steve Jobs will be interviewed at the "D8" conference this afternoon so I'm sure he will be forced to talk about the Flash issue.
- ukit0
Perhaps Adobe should focus more on creating great HTML5 tools for the future, and less on criticizing Apple for leaving the past behind.
- dbloc0
Steve Jobs at D8 on Flash, iPad and the post-PC era
- DrBombay0
Isn't html5 just going to be able to embed new content? It isn't like you are going to script animations/rich interactivity in it. That is all done with javascript and jquery and shit, right? This stuff has a loooooooooong way to go before "replacing" flash. Or am I missing something?
- DrBombay0
Steve Jobs controls many people's minds. No one was talking about getting rid of Flash 6 months ago. Jobs says something and motherfuckers toe the line.
- AVAVA0
Why does douche nation always feel compelled to revolt against any corporate moves such as this one.
Damn it, the guy is right, Flash stinks. Clunky, cumbersome and too easy to screw up.
Can't wait to see the back of it.
- DrBombay0
If this is any representation, Canvas has a looooong way to go before replacing Flash
http://www.phpguru.org/static/ht…
- PonyBoy0
^^ from that article:
"Apple is a company that doesn't have the most resources of everybody in the world. The way we have succeeded is by choosing which horses to ride very carefully."
—Steve JobsHe left out the $150 mill from Microsoft back in the 90's that saved their then weak-asses...
- CyBrain0
I found that some Flash runs ok, some doesn't, but I can't imagine someone thinking they'd rather see a blue plug-in icon instead of slow Flash. Also, if you're targeting phones, I'm sure you could go easy on the processor intensive stuff and get something that would play well on the phone.
- CyBrain0
"give it another 5 years to get to flash level and we can compare both."
And imagine that comparison against Flash CS8 on what might be the 5th generation iPad. (running Cloud Browse 5?)
- munch0
Flash is currently the only way to offer browser compatibility for these networks. If they moved to HTML5 then what video format would they use? H.264 is not supported by Firefox and I'm not sure it is in current versions of IE either. Also how would they protect the videos and integrate interactive advertising?
- eieio0
- drives a volvoeieio
- $800,000 doesn't get a mansion in Silicon Valley. It gets an abandoned 1 car garage.boobs
- you miss my point. This sort of guy would live in Minnesota and be an engineereieio
- and he used to work for Control Data or Cray.... lots of those guys around.... with that facial expressionvaxorcist
- ukit0
Naw, I think it's more of a cost issue for them. The only thing they would need to support would be Flash on desktop vs HTML5 on mobile (and YouTube, Vimeo and most other big video sites do that with no problem). They just don't want to spend the funds on reencoding the video. Or there might even be an alliance with HP or other Apple competitors, although that's just speculation on my part.
- you forgot that generally media companies are so fearful that they can't make any logical decisions on digital media at all.kpl
- Yeah, I wouldn't exactly take Time Warner's decisions as the sign of where things are heading.ukit
- Remind me, does AOL still own them or do they own AOL or how did that whole thing shake out?:)ukit
- aol spun out. Or is it Aol. spun out?kpl
- utopian0
These HTML5 games rock, bye bye Flash!
- SteveJobs0
^ "Your browser doesn't support canvas, if you are using IE then the older version will likely work. I suggest you download a standards compliant browser such as Opera."
yeah, bye bye...
- ukit0
I'm really curious to see what Adobe does with CANVAS and SVG. Will they build a new application? Implement into DW or Flash somehow? Or just wait and see before doing anything?
There was that whole weird issue back in February, where the Adobe rep in the HTML5 working group made some kind of formal objection stopping the spec from being published. Apparently his problem was that a few of the elements of HTML5 (which included CANVAS) were technically "out of scope" for this release because of the way the original plan had been drawn up and they should be dropped from the HTML5 spec and pursued separately.
Ian Hickson, who oversees the whole HTML5 process (the industry side of it), seemed to think they were trying to derail CANVAS being included.
http://ln.hixie.ch/?start=126596…
http://ajaxian.com/archives/adob…It's hard to really know because the whole process is so inside baseball with lots of different interest groups involved.