Sticking with Flash
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- Miguex0
Why would you be against having a choice to install what you want?
People complain about censorship all the time, so how is this different? I mean.. there is tons of SHIT apps out there, if we don't like how they perform, we ERASE THEM and give them 1 star and a bad rating, but at least we are exercising our right to choose to give it a chance.It's as simple as that, you don't like it, don't install it/ don't use it.
How would you feel if suddenly they decided that [insert music genre] wasn't allowed on the iTunes store anymore, because [insert whatever reason Apple gives to you]?
- there's a difference between a tool and expression. If you don't like your tools cos it doesn't work with your other tools, then get one that does.kpl
- tools, then get one that does.kpl
- huh?Miguex
- logical fallacy much?spifflink
- Kpl, that "tool" worked with all other tools. It's not broken.Peter
- Flash 10.1 for mobile arrived this month (BETA). It was never going to work on the original iPhone or iPad.ukit
- It's not tool being broken. The tool works, and has worked for years. They're just turned off. What I'm saying is it's a faulty analogy.Peter
- ...analogyPeter
- No, he was saying you can buy an iPad or not. It's not the same as free speech.ukit
- There are plenty of things that are not supported on other platforms (like IE!)ukit
- But I wouldn't consider it anything close to free speechukit
- you can choose to say what you want in another country as well, if we go by your rulesMiguex
- ukit0
- < new uggsmonNom
- teenage girl on the bus is soooo jealous.monNom
- LOL heheHombre_Lobo
- ukit0
Consider this though, on Jan 27 Adobe writes this post, "iPad - A Broken Link:"
http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplat…
pointing out that "there's something important missing"
Then, 4 months later...
http://www.itpro.co.uk/622504/ad…
"Eager testers can sign up to try out the first betas of Flash Player 10.1 and Air 2.0, Adobe said today, as its chief executive admitted the software had been delayed until the second half of the year."
Yeah, no shit there was "something missing"...they hadn't built it yet LOL
I mean, yeah sure Jobs' opposition to Flash goes beyond that but it makes the initial post about lack of Flash on the iPad kind of silly.
- I think Adobe could create an amazing touch screen platform if they had Apple's cooperation.hotroddy
- That's a load of crap, Adobe had plenty of time to do it. "The onus is now on us" http://www.readwrite…ukit
- Jobs wants all the money he can getPixter
- jayoh0
Flash lost most of it's appeal to me when they brought out ActionScript 3. It suddenly became a developers app, not the designers app they originally created and drew me to use it.
That and with all the web technologies that are around now that were not when I started to use Flash. Most Flash sites I see could be done better with HTML, CSS and some JQuery / AJAX stuff.
Saying that, there are some incredible Flash sites, but they are in the minority...and becoming somewhat inaccessible :)- i don't see a reason to get rid of it here. not that that's the point you were trying to make.SteveJobs
- If you don't like Flash/AS3 because it's a developers platform, you can't defend JQery/AJAX, etc.CyBrain
- yep, good point cybrain,
most of thekill flash crowd, aren't dev, I would even dare to say they aren't even designersgeorgesIII - agree, i'm a fan of the flash aesthetic - mostly IDE/ timeline.kingsteven
- Adobe should introduce a free/ lite version of the IDE which publishes swfs with runtime processor limitationskingsteven
- get flash content back on forums/ cash in on the millennial content creators.kingsteven
- it's mostly nielson's fault.kingsteven
- Boz0
- ukit0
Even though the performance stuff matters (more on mobile than desktop) I don't think it's the overriding issue. I mean, clearly Flash has some issues, but it's not stuck with the performance issues it has now. It's just software, people can fix the bugs, they could even rewrite it from scratch if they wanted to.
Same thing with HTML5 BTW. You'd be crazy to try to go out and build the kind of site that gabe makes, using HTML5, and Flash will be the best tool for that for some time I think. But there's nothing stopping HTML5 from improving either, and I'm sure it will. It's not even limited to HTML5 - apparently the WHATWG is working on stuff beyond that, like video conferencing, and that is moving forward. Or you can have third party solutions like Web GL, or, to take a simpler example, JQuery, that let you do things that you didn't think were possible with the underlying technology.
So the real motivation behind all of this is pretty simple, and has almost nothing to do with Steve Jobs or Apple. It's the objection against Flash not being an open standard, coming from the web standards community.
People who care about this stuff actually do have a large amount of influence in the industry. They aren't just some group off somewhere in an ivory tower, they are running companies, like Opera whose CEO invented CSS, or Mozilla, which has on its board the developers who created Javascript and the Apache server.
But the second, and maybe more important element I think are companies like Google, that share the standards point of view but also see HTML5 as a business opportunity. For them its all about creating a richer experience on the web so they can beat Microsoft. Flash is a weak link in that chain because it's the only element in terms of media they don't have full control over. Google are also practical, obviously (they still use tables on many of their layouts for instance) so they still use Flash for some things, but they are really going to be pushing HTML5 over the next couple years. Much more than Apple despite all the talk coming from Steve Jobs.