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- BattleAxe0
The Truth is people are not told the Truth , but to think Americans do not do hard work to get change done, is like saying Slavery and Jim Crow Laws are still around in America ,
- waterhouse0
Exactly. It's distracting that there are "partisan" social programs in the bill, but a major voting constituency has been demanding more reproductive rights/family planning/science recognition from their leaders. I feel in the end (which is probably a week or two from now) the more excessive or embarrassing portions of the proposal will be excised.
- KwesiJ0
can someone provide some perspective on how financing two wars in the trillions of dollars factors into this economic crisis or the bailout or whatever? just wondering
- BattleAxe0
"it's the voice"
LMAO
John Stweart on Conan
- tommyo0
// You're right TBO, fucking oil companies. The owners of these oil giants should be shot for all the money they're bringing in on the backs of normal people like us. Assholes: http://www.energytomorrow.org/Do…
Bunch of assholes the lot of them. :P
- TheBlueOne0
Very funny propaganda website there tommyo...funny it says "All you serfs own all of us fine oil monies" yet the site is owned by a petroleum lobbying group...do some whois and googling...
- TheBlueOne0
Oddly enough - look which Investment banks are deeply involved in oil and which ones in fact lobbied back in 2000 to be able to run an oil futures market - Goldman Sacks and Morgan Stanely. Which two investment banks have gotten the most US government protection - "too big to fail"? Same two,
- tommyo0
Oh so I get it... if you're a business owner and everyone is pissed at you, and a study comes out proving that you're not quite the asshole everyone says you are... you shouldn't use it as PR? I read this first in a scientific magazine, I want to say Nova or Scientific American. I just dug up an article from the Washington Post that quoted this same study. So what if the link I provided traces back to being owned by a petroleum interests group? Uprisingradio has an agenda too but that didn't stop you did it? ffs.
- follow the moneyTheBlueOne
- I followed it straight into 30 million homes of people that make 68k or less.tommyo
- TheBlueOne0
I always love the "competing agenda" arguments that those in power and those who defend them make. Let's see an oil company creates a front group three stages removed with the message "Well, you see, the oil industry really makes money that belongs to the general public. Oh, and here's a pony and some fairy dust for you."
And a lone scholar with limited resources who can't get her story in any major media outlet told, is said to have an "obvious agenda" and somehow these two things are equal.
Sure. Yup. Here's a pony for you.
- tommyo0
Oh right. yeah see my post above...just because those oil figures were used as pr on a site for a petroleum interests group then what ... it's no good?
Here's a link to the study, you know...just so you can see it without it's lobbyist wrapping paper, footnotes, etc etc.
- TheBlueOne0
Jesus H. Christ do you even look at what you link to??
The first foornote in that PDF report states:
"This report was prepared with support from the American Petroleum Institute (API). All analysis and views expressed here are those solely of the authors."
Let's see...who is API?
"
Who We Are
API is the only national trade association that represents all aspects of America’s oil and natural gas industry. Our 400 corporate members, from the largest major oil company to the smallest of independents, come from all segments of the industry. They are producers, refiners, suppliers, pipeline operators and marine transporters, as well as service and supply companies that support all segments of the industry.Although our focus is primarily domestic, in recent years our work has expanded to include a growing international dimension, and today API is recognized around the world for its broad range of programs:
Advocacy
We speak for the petroleum industry to the public, Congress and the Executive Branch, state governments and the media. We negotiate with regulatory agencies, represent the industry in legal proceedings, participate in coalitions and work in partnership with other associations to achieve our members’ public policy goals."Geez c'mon on Tommy...
- Shock and surprise the Petroleum lobby group funds a study that says all their money belongs to We The People. Sure. Uh huh. Pony?TheBlueOne
- Want a pony?TheBlueOne
- bahahaKwesiJ
- Of course I saw it. Who the fuck did you think would fund this study?tommyo
- TheBlueOne0
Besides, even if the factual information is correct that, and indeed, since oil companies are publically traded and thos ownership stocks are on the stock market, in mutual fuinds etc...does John Q. Public really own that stuff?
Tell me Tommy how many Oil stocks do you hold? What about the 20,000 workers laid off this week from Caterpillar for example, how are their oil investments doing? I'm sure they're going to be marching over to ExxonMobil headquarters tomorrow to start chatting with the CEO about what they'll be doing with those record profits...you know, because they're owners...
- tommyo0
Why do the people who got laid off from Caterpillar have anything to do with oil stocks? Ohhh I see, if one company makes profit, they should help the common good of everyone? Wealth distribution aside what's it matter to you if an industry makes lots of money? Isn't it OPEC you should be screaming about anyways? Price fixing oil prices all willy nilly like?
And just so I know..you think the numbers are wrong in that study because it was a study funded by an oil lobbying group? Like every other industry doesn't have studies done that end up, GASP, with a positive outcome? And then, double GASP, actually promote the findings of such a study to their own pr benefit! The nerve! Do you have studies that say that oil companies are majorly owned by evil rich bastards swimming in cocaine and riding immigrants like llamas to and from the main house to the plantation? Or were you thinking that this study would be funded by upriseradio or someone like it?
There's your fucking pony, ride it.
- TheBlueOne0
You know, for a libertarian guy you really seem unconcerned about the accumulation of power via financial means that corrupt our democracy. Seeing that the whole point of the American Experiment was to offset the accumulation and use of unfairly leveraged political power. But I'm sure you're right ..there's nothing odd about an industry that has posted record profits even in the worst of economic climes, while we empty the public coffers paying to secure access via our military for them to their main source of revenue. And you know, that they're in collusion with high finance vis-s-vis newly opened oil futures market where they manipulate the price of said commodity in the "free market".
Yeah, you're probably right. I was jumping to conclusions there by reading too much into that little study they funded through a front group saying how everything is sunshine and roses because infact the owners of the companies don't really "own" the company because it's chopped up in little bits in mutual funds and shit. Sold by the same financial companies that run the oil futures markets.
*gets on fucking pony and rides into sunset
- ukit0
Republicans electing their new party leader...currently tied between a black guy and a guy who belongs to an all whites country club.
- TheBlueOne0
Yeah, let's cut those fucking taxes Republicans! Can't vote for that stimulus plan, cause not enough tax cuts, no sir...People need help at the top of the food chain...
- lowimpakt0
Tommyo.
start making some sense soon, please.
- tommyo0
Some sense? Well I'm sure I don't make sense to you. If I were to try then I'd have to start acting like any corporation that turns a profit and doesn't hand it out to every poor person is evil. That people should be given things instead of working for them. That government is inherently good and solves problems effectively, as long as they're you know, always fucking over the guy with money, for the sake of those without. I'd have to believe that laws of nature don't apply to a proper civilization - where as, companies are 'too big to fail' and people who have a rough go at life are only a product of the industrial machine, never their own fault. I'd have to believe that medical coverage should be provided by government. I'd have to believe these things to make sense to you.
- BattleAxe0
"This is supposed to be a new era of bipartisanship, but this bill was written based on the wish list of every living -- or dead -- Democratic interest group. As Speaker Nancy Pelosi put it, "We won the election. We wrote the bill." So they did. Republicans should let them take all of the credit."